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The Movie & Story => News Coverage, Reviews & Awards => Oscars => Topic started by: roguejedi on Mar 05, 2006, 11:30 PM
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Crash???? best picture????? pissed off!!!! i knew it...the academy wasn't really to vote for a gay film... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Annie Proulx was in attendance @ the Oscars. Why didn't the cameras shine briefly on this Pulitzer Prize-winning author when she was mentioned by Diana Ossana? Hell, the cameras flashed to the obscure spouses of other award winners. I'm mad. I really wanted to see her face.
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Well BBM won 3 out of 8...can't be that bad?
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I am angry.
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I think that many of us are going to write to the Academy awards..well I know I will.
Do you think that they ever had to face this, the hatred and dissapointment of the public?
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I don't know but I'm going to write them as well.
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All I can say, homophobes. They are ALL OLD, wonder why..! I'm verry angry!
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Disappointed, yes, but not annihilated. Brokeback is the story of an era and will continue beyond tonight. It is the story of now. And now.
And now.
Now.
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I am going to organize a campaign to have our voice heard.
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i'm in a shock!!
this is the saddest day of my whole life!!
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Huh?!... Ang Lee won as Best Director but the movie he directed (Brokeback Mountain) didn't win as Best Picture?!... What was that?!... All I know is, if a director won as the Best Directpr, its obvious that the movie he directed will be the Best Picture... What happen?!... urgh!>;(
Oh weL, at Least BBM won 3 Academy Awards!... BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN RULES!C=
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Bomabard them with letters. They'll know how retarded they are. I posted this already but heres what I sent:
Congradulations.
You have made the worst choice possible for Best Picture. Everyone knows Brokeback Mountain deserved to win Best Picture because it was the BEST PICTURE OF THE YEAR. It is a groundbreaking film and it shames me that the Academy did not recognize it as Best Picture. It seems that homophobia runs deep in the Academy and I vow to never watch another Academy Awards Show and I think of this insitution as a sham and a MEANINGLESS award, because the TRUE WINNERS are the ones that don't win because of certain individuals own personal bias. Wake up, it is the 21st century. Every other major insitution chose Brokeback Mountain. The Golden Globes and BAFTAS for example, just to name a few.
I am sickened by your intolerance and I hope you realize that no one regards an Academy Award as an honour any longer because of rediculous situations like this.
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I am going to organize a campaign to have our voice heard.
yes please yes!! i'll do anything to have our voice heared!! homophobic bastards!!!!
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I'm so sick of homophobes
so sad and ignorant
so done with wishing they will leave
Said I'm so sick of homophobes
so old and slow
so why can't I kill them all?
Song Ne-Yo - So sick, Edited by Krispera.
I'm maybe too mad, but hell.. Crash? If other movies won, I will don't care but.. CRASH?
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I am going to organize a campaign to have our voice heard.
thankx..we need to let them know!
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I am going to organize a campaign to have our voice heard.
Thank you! They need to hear it!
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Friends, that could have been worse.
No acting awards, being honnest that was expected.
Gustavo got the award for the best score, that was the bonus.
Dianna and Larry got the award for the best adapted screenplay, that was expected.
Same for Ang, Best Director (no minor award BTW for best Director)
Best Film was never granted.... I hate the Academy Awards! But, It was never granted.
Just heal yourselves, we all know BBM is a milestone in movie history, Casablanca was ignored too after all. Who remember the winner the year Casablanca lost?
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Is this a situation in which Hollywood felt the need to shine the light on blacks and gays?
So they split the awards almost evenly between the two groups?
Or is it more a situation where Hollywood felt it hasn't given enough to the black community over the years so gave it best picture?
I think Oprah had a lot to do with Crash winning perhaps as she talked about her "Crash moments", etc.
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oh I'm a bit disappointed it didn't win Best Picture, but otherwise fair's fair - it was the best directed film, had a deservingly haunting and emotive score, and was a brilliant screenplay adaption of a short story.
THREE Academy Awards...nothing to be angry about.
To be honest I didn't expect Heath to win Best Actor but I felt sure Jake would have won best supporting actor.
Whilst I loved Brokeback, after the fifth viewing I could see that it didn't quite have the "aura" of a best picture as many people left wondering what all the fuss was about. Personally it's the most beautiful film ever made, but for a cross section of the community they were non-plussed.
Still, I think in 10 years time people will still be left with the impression of Brokeback Mountain and everyone will be asking "Crash what?". Brokeback was the biggest box office drawcard of the year. It's a landmark movie, Oscar or not.
Now it can be hyped as "winner of three academy awards". Let's not get angry.
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Like the rest of you, I was terribly disheartened that BBM didn't win best pic. I thought the win would get those 'on the fencers' to see this incredible film, and be changed because of it. CRASH will not make a difference in anyone's life. We all know that BBM is a much better film than CRASH. CRASH will die and be forgotten. BBM will endure as the classic love story that it is.
It is our responsibility to keep this movie alive forever. Buy the DVD, talk about it to friends, quote from it, and refer to it whenever you can.
I think that's the least that we can do for a film that has done so much for us!
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I am going to organize a campaign to have our voice heard.
Yes, please!
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Now it can be hyped as "winner of three academy awards". Let's not get angry.
Thanks jagrafess, it's not a time to be angry. Well said!
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Yes...to all my dear members, it is not the time to be angry.
Think of BBM (Annie, Ang, Heath, Jack, Michelle, Diana, Larry and all others) for what they have to go through tonight, they need our support more than ever.
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Ooooh what i'd give to be across the pacific at a post-awards party helping to "support" Jakey in his sexy tux. LOL.
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I am not angry..I am disapointed...maybe my hopes were to high...I do not blame Crash , I just wish people had seen BBM like I did, and had been affected like we all did.
BBM has won the Oscar of my heart!!!
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it might be tempting to use one of jack's famous quotes: 'this is a goddam bitch of an unsatisfactory situation.'
but, truth be told, bbm was nominated for many wonderful awards, and that is wonderful.
and bbm won 3, which is awesome.
these are good things...let's not make them into something less than wonderful.
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it might be tempting to use one of jack's famous quotes: 'this is a goddam bitch of an unsatisfactory situation.'
but, truth be told, bbm was nominated for many wonderful awards, and that is wonderful.
and bbm won 3, which is awesome.
these are good things...let's not make them into something less than wonderful.
but we were robbed!! i was so sure BBM would win Best Picture!! it doesn't matter to me but it does to those homophobic losers everywhere!
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Friends, that could have been worse.
No acting awards, being honnest that was expected.
Gustavo got the award for the best score, that was the bonus.
Dianna and Larry got the award for the best adapted screenplay, that was expected.
Same for Ang, Best Director (no minor award BTW for best Director)
Best Film was never granted.... I hate the Academy Awards! But, It was never granted.
Just heal yourselves, we all know BBM is a milestone in movie history, Casablanca was ignored too after all. Who remember the winner the year Casablanca lost?
Friends, I'm quoting myslef, please.... Heal, heal, Heal, heal, Heal, heal, Heal, heal.
What counts is history!
No one will recall Crash in 20 years. BBM will be remembered.
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it might be tempting to use one of jack's famous quotes: 'this is a goddam bitch of an unsatisfactory situation.'
but, truth be told, bbm was nominated for many wonderful awards, and that is wonderful.
and bbm won 3, which is awesome.
these are good things...let's not make them into something less than wonderful.
Good one, honestjoe, and good point, too. I'm disappointed, sure, as many people around the world right now are. But I am ever so grateful that this movie was made...that it has been received as it has (how many articles have been written, how many reviews? thousands! do a quick google). From Proulx masterful short story to the movie's soundtrack, this experience has been an incredible gift to so many people.
It will continue to be. No doubt.
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Oscar is only an *American* award. We have so many wonderful members around the world affected by this wonderful movie. That is what we are here for and what this forum is for. BBM is the most nominated movie and history will be the best judge.
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Oscar is only an *American* award. We have so many wonderful members around the world affected by this wonderful movie. That is what we are here for and what this forum is for. BBM is the most nominated movie and history will be the best judge.
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Oscar is only an *American* award. We have so many wonderful members around the world affected by this wonderful movie. That is what we are here for and what this forum is for. BBM is the most nominated movie and history will be the best judge.
Right on!!
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WHOOPS should have posted this here instead of on link not sure where to post
so here is where i posted how we can ge into action: http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=2206.0
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We are in good company-this might help with he pain-but first I must say in the tone jack say when he said F%^K Aguirre- F&*K the Oscars--ahh that yelled from my soul--okay here is the good company
Just got this from the IMDB board, cheered me up no end
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To make you happy, here's a list of great, controversial, or just plain fondly remembered English Language/silent films that DIDN'T win Best Picture, from the 30's onward (since then, they have been held each year of the decade for the last 7 decades)...some were not even nominated! the list: My gawd just noticed these are all classics-anyone remember who they lost to--hehehe
City Lights (1931)
I Am A Fugitive From a Chain Gang (1932)
Duck Soup (1933)
King Kong (1933)
Modern Times (1936)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Bringing Up Baby (1938)
The Wizard of Oz (1939) Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
The Great Dictator (1940)
The Grapes of Wrath (1940)
Citizen Kane (1941) is a classic
The Maltese Falcon (1941)
The Magnificent Ambersons (1942)
Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
Double Indemnity (1944)
Brief Encounter (1945)
The Big Sleep (1946)
Notorious (1946)
It's a Wonderful Life (1946) which is a classic now they play every Xmas
Black Narcissus (1947)
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949)
The Third Man (1949)
Sunset Boulevard (1950)
Ace In The Hole (1951)
High Noon (1952)
Singin In The Rain (1952)
Stalag 17 (1953)
Rear Window (1954)
The Killing (1956)
12 Angry Men (1957)
Paths of Glory (1957)
Touch of Evil (1958)
Vertigo (1958) Hitchcock
North by Northwest (1959)
Anatomy of a Murder (1959)
Some Like It Hot (1959) Fu*k tony curtis, btw
Psycho (1960)
Inherit the Wind (1960)
To Kill A Mockingbird (1962)
The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
Dr Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb (1964)
Doctor Zhivago (1965)
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (1966)
Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf? (1966) great movie
the Graduate (1967)
Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
Faces (1968)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) i was so stoned when i saw this hehehehe
Rosemary's Baby (1968)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
The Wild Bunch (1969)
MASH (1970) the best the best
A Clockwork Orange (1971)
The Last Picture Show (1971)
Badlands (1973)
The Exorcist (1973) the best wow it didn't win
Chinatown (1974)
The Conversation (1974)
Young Frankenstein (1974)
Jaws (1975)
Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
Taxi Driver (1976)
All the President's Men (1976)
Network (1976) groundbreaking
Star Wars (1977) you are kidding? no win? wow
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Alien (1979) oh my gawd
Manhattan (1979)
The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Raging Bull (1980)
The Elephant Man (1980)
The Shining (1980)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Blade Runner (1982)
Scarface (1983)
Once Upon A Time In America (1984)
This Is Spinal Tap (1984)
The Killing Fields (1984)
Brazil (1985)
Blue Velvet (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (1987) you shoud watch this today sitll relevent
The Unbearable Lightness of Being (1988)
Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989)
Do The Right Thing (1989)
Goodfellas (1990)
JFK (1991)
Malcom X (1992)
Glengarry Glen Ross (1992)
Reservoir Dogs (1992)
The Player (1992)
The Piano (1993)
The Shawshank Redemption (1994) Pulp Fiction (1994)
Ed Wood (1994)
The Usual Suspects (1995)
Se7en (1995)
Toy Story (1995)
Fargo (1996)
L.A. Confidential (1997)
American History X (1998)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Fight Club (1999)
The Matrix (1999)
Magnolia (1999)
The Insider (1999)
Being John Malkovich (1999)
Traffic (2000)
Memento (2000)
Requiem for a Dream (2000)
Mulholland Drive (2001)
Gosford Park (2001)
Gangs of New York (2002)
The Pianist (2002)
Minority Report (2002)
Mystic River (2003)
Lost In Translation (2003)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004)
Before Sunset (2004)
Sideways (2004)
Munich (2005)
Brokeback Mountain (2005) boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Good Night, and Good Luck (2005)
Capote (2005)
King Kong (2005)
A History of Violence (2005)
Sin City (2005)
...and there's plenty I've left off or forgotten. So let's not feel too bad for the cowboys, they are in some might fine company.
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I'm absolutely disgusted with the Academy. Crash, the best picture? Not. Brokeback Mountain is the best picture of the year. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I'm so disappointed. :( :'( A bit angry too. Crash is a good movie and racism is very important subject but BBM has truly touched people's hearts. Hope everybody involved in making BBM knows this.
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We are in good company-this might help with he pain-but first I must say in the tone jack say when he said F%^K Aguirre- F&*K the Oscars--ahh that yelled from my soul--okay here is the good company
Thanks... :-\
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what a dissapointing result after all... ...
everyone know what happen behind!!the world has been claimed BBM as the best film of the year but not for Oscar??strange indeed!!
but we can't change it, juz let it b...
and after all, ppl will think the Oscar, juz a so so academy award, and today is the saddest day for movie maker!
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Who needs the Oscars, some establishment telling us whats best, what do they know?? We got this forum and we got each other and we love each other no matter what or who we are thats what matters, what has brought us all together here means more than any bloody award, thats what i felt at 5.00am this morning when my freind told me by txxt bbm hadnt won best picture :(
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Still a bitter pill to swallow...3 hours sleep, woke up thinking i'd had some horrific nightmare, but NO it wasn't a dream. Every news channel seems to be showing 'Brokeback upset' - yuck. Still 3 very good awards but why doesn't it feel THAT great?
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Crash can just stick thier Best Pic Oscar Award up their A**..... >:( ::)
This is the last time i watch The Oscar Awards ever,.... >:(
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Crash can just stick thier Best Pic Oscar Award up their A**..... >:( ::)
This is the last time i watch The Oscar Awards ever,.... >:(
haha!!
Oscar?? i won't respect her anymore....
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Well, there are a lot of gay-themed forums where people are discussing how happy they are because they did finally get rid of this boring useless movie. No surprise, as many gay people are just as homophobic as everyone else, if not even more,
Which is very ironic IMHO, as a boring movie is made by a boring screenplay and a boring director, and BBM got both awards.
But I can't think about how happy all the bunch of morons who refused to be involved in the projects in the past years now are, saying "Phhewww see I was right when I decided not to make it".
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Though I am very disappointed that Brokeback Mountain didn't win best picture, I can't say I'm completely shocked.
but think about this...
The script, which was written years ago with nobody quite willing to make it into a movie, won an Oscar which is great! The score by Santaolalla was done beautifully and played a big part in the emotion of the movie, and also got an Oscar! And Ang Lee, taking a story everybody was scared of turning into a movie, which had to be funded by Canadian money because there was no one in the US willing to finance it won Best Director!
These are things to be happy about if you ask me... I thought Crash was not very deserving of the title but there's little we can do about it...
But no movie dealing so openly with homosexuality has received recognition in the way BBM has... they were awarded best picture by pretty much every other critics awards and GG and BAFTA... so a group of people rewarded another movie... majority rules if you ask me and BBM sure got that :)
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On a side note, please don't take this as personal, but I do not agree with the "we won even if we lost" theory at all.
BBM winning best movie would have been an incredible achievement. Well, BBM loosing is a just as big and relevant event. It is a big, sharp and clear sign of what happens to those who challenge the power-that-be.
You can get Golden Lions by a naive italian film festival or score an award in old britain. But it will be "Crash" the one who will have to re-print all its dvd covers with the "Academy Award Winner - Best Film" logo - not BBM.
Oscars do not matter NOW that we lost. It wouldn't have been the same if BBM got 6 out of 8, would it?
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Though I am very disappointed that Brokeback Mountain didn't win best picture, I can't say I'm completely shocked.
but think about this...
The script, which was written years ago with nobody quite willing to make it into a movie, won an Oscar which is great! The score by Santaolalla was done beautifully and played a big part in the emotion of the movie, and also got an Oscar! And Ang Lee, taking a story everybody was scared of turning into a movie, which had to be funded by Canadian money because there was no one in the US willing to finance it won Best Director!
These are things to be happy about if you ask me... I thought Crash was not very deserving of the title but there's little we can do about it...
But no movie dealing so openly with homosexuality has received recognition in the way BBM has... they were awarded best picture by pretty much every other critics awards and GG and BAFTA... so a group of people rewarded another movie... majority rules if you ask me and BBM sure got that :)
Did any other movie get so many oscars?
The world thinks Brokeback Mountain was the best film, and the US ranked it in its top 5. You CAN have a best director and not win best picture if the acting or other technical aspects don't quite match the genius of the Director. I think Brokeback got a fair run,
and winning an oscor doesn't suddenly make the world a less homophobic place. Fact is, it's the biggest grossing of all those nominated movies, and is destined to do great business on dvd because of the emotional bond it has found within so many who have seen it at the cinema. None of those other movies are going to do the business of Brokeback. And the Annie Proulx story and the soundtrack will be selling quite well I'm sure. Brokeback will be a quiet revolution, it will dissipate into the culture and creep into into places where the bigots least expect it. Decades from now it will be better known than Crash or Capote or Walk The Line. Quite simply it is an iconic film which won't go away. The little gay cowboy movie that could. Not everything has to be a blockbuster or a "Best Picture" to endure.
Brokeback Mountain will go to dvd with "Best Director" "Best Original Soundtrack" and "Best Screenplay Adaption" on the cover. Three statuettes. Three. A pretty resounding endorsement from Hollywood if you ask me.
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Jagrafess, liked your comment about BBM being a quiet revolution - it will live on while the others will be forgotten. Am disappointed that we didn't sweep the awards, but am pleased that BBM did get made and that its component parts were recognized as among the best with 8 nominations. That in itself says something. Yes would have liked it all, ecpecially for pic and Jake, but it didn't happen, so now we must continue that quieet revolution by continuing to praise it, to bring its message out further and to keep its gift in our hearts.
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When I saw the level of anticipation building up here, especially during the past 48 hours, I deliberately stayed away because years of experience have taught me not to count on the Academy to do the right thing. And, while the awards BBM did win are deserved and appreciated, I can't help but be disappointed by missing out on Best Picture, because I strongly believe it clearly was. And I still think Heath Ledger's performance was not just the best of the year, but of the decade; one of those standout performances that come along but rarely and stay with you for a lifetime. The level of disappointment is remeniscent of-though not nearly equal to-waking up November 3, 2004 and finding out the W had been re-elected. I still can't get over that one.
But it is important to remember that this is a film that no one in Hollywood would make for 7 years, and no one had very high expectations for until recently. In that light, it has been a remarkable success and an important cultural milestone. And it-along with Ethan, who deserves his very own Oscar IMHO-has brought together this wonderful group of people whom I would never have met without it, it has changed my life for the better-more on that later-and I am quite confident it will be remembered years from now as an example of what filmmaking is capable of at its best and most eloquent. So Bravo and despair not brothers and sisters. We have lost a battle, but made great strides toward ultimately winning the war, and no mere academy can ever take away all that these people and this film have given us!!
Peace!!
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yeah!!
that's true!!
BBM is one of the greatest movie of the decades, n many ppl know that!
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I have not slept a wink. I am still speechless with disappointment. I know I should move on, and I shall in a moment. I feel as if it was a very personal humiliation. I continue to ask myself: why do I feel for this film so much? It is because I see as my film -- a film after my own heart.
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When I saw the level of anticipation building up here, especially during the past 48 hours, I deliberately stayed away because years of experience have taught me not to count on the Academy to do the right thing. And, while the awards BBM did win are deserved and appreciated, I can't help but be disappointed by missing out on Best Picture, because I strongly believe it clearly was. And I still think Heath Ledger's performance was not just the best of the year, but of the decade; one of those standout performances that come along but rarely and stay with you for a lifetime. The level of disappointment is reminiscent of-though not nearly equal to-waking up November 3, 2004 and finding out the W had been re-elected. I still can't get over that one.
But it is important to remember that this is a film that no one in Hollywood would make for 7 years, and no one had very high expectations for until recently. In that light, it has been a remarkable success and an important cultural milestone. And it-along with Ethan who deserves his very own Oscar IMHO-has brought together this wonderful group of people whom I would never have met without it, it has changed my life for the better-more on that later-and I am quite confident it will be remembered years from now as an example of what filmmaking is capable of at its best and most eloquent. So Bravo and despair not brothers and sisters. We have lost a battle, but made great strides toward ultimately winning the war, and no mere academy can ever take away all that these people and this film have given us.
Peace,
Proulxfan says it well! Bravo!
Give it a few years and the Academy will realize their error of cowardice and ignorance of artistic merit (not to mention the rare appearance of a once-in-a-lifetime, culturally altering event). In a society where one can wake to find that W was reelected, it is absolutely no surprise to wake to this disappointment. It is interesting that the leaders and the decision makers, as well as the masses, seem to come around too late. That's what is so disheartening. Seems it should be the other way around.
So, it seems to me that it is best to take this disappointment, even this anger, and churn it into something beautiful and revealing, something intelligible and world-changing. Annie Proulx did it; Ossana and McMurtry never stopped in their effort to get it to the screen; Ang made a world-class symphony of it. And the actors gave the performances of a lifetime and have seared their fictional characters into our very marrow, so much so that we see, feel and commune with the likes of Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar in our daily endeavors.
Brokeback Mountain will be talked about -- just like we're doing here, with such intensity and soul-searching rigor -- years and years from now.
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Proulxfan, thank you for your comforting words. Although it would be nice to be the best picture, the success of BBM is not a bit less without it. It makes me feel humble to see so many great people around the world who have been touched by this movie. Not even 100 oscar statuetts can do that. The movie speaks for itself and the award was given to some 5000 voting members who do not represent many of us at all. Think of oscar as their own circle and it is up to them to choose the winner. We can disagree completely but it is still their votes.
Boots has the great point. Thank you. So, it seems to me that it is best to take this disappointment, even this anger, and churn it into something beautiful and revealing, something intelligible and world-changing. Annie Proulx did it; Ossana and McMurtry never stopped in their effort to get it to the screen; Ang made a world-class symphony of it. And the actors gave the performances of a lifetime and have seared their fictional characters into our very marrow, so much so that we see, feel and commune with the likes of Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar in our daily endeavors.
We are not and should not be defeated and this only makes us stronger. Like Proulxfan said, we lost the battle this time but not the war. Every little thing counts. BBM has opened the gate and there will be more to come. One thing is for sure - the tale of and Ennis Del Mar and Ennis Jack and our love for BBM will continue.
I am so grateful to all of you and BBM for making this journey exciting and fulfilling.
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After a very restless night, I have a few comments I'd like to share.
In Reese Witherspoon's acceptance speech, she quoted June Cash's reply when people asked her how she was doing as "Trying to matter..." Let's face it, Oscar or not, BBM has made a difference in peoples lives. It does matter, and that is the most important thing to remember. Sure it didn't win an award as best picture as voted by the academy. But why do we care so much the opinion of these people? Are they the definitive voice of excellence in movie making? Surely the past history of winners would say not always. "Shakespeare in Love" over "Saving Private Ryan" anyone? While an enjoyable movie, "Shakespeare" was a total fluff piece. Guess what movie is seen every year on Memorial day here in the US? And it's not simply because it's a war movie. There are tons of war movies. "Saving Private Ryan" resonates in people and will be remembered as one of the greatest war movies ever. Perhaps BBM's greatest reward will be the legacy that endures, and I wholeheartedly believe it will endure the test of time as one of the best movies, ever.
I also don't think we should take anything away from "Crash." While I did not personally see it, it obviously has its supporters as well. Both Crash and BBM have people who support it and those that at best are indifferent towards them. Neither was a clear cut absolute best choice to everyone. The difference I see is that perhaps the fans of BBM are more passionate about this support. Crash touched on racial themes, BBM on sexuality. I would hope that both have had a positive impact on people. I know that BBM has made me a better person.
The other telling sentence I heard last night came from host Jon Stewart. After the Best Original Song award, he said something to the effect of "Oscar count: Three 6 Mafia=1, Martin Scorsese=0" That showed to me that the "best" do not always win the awards. Sure, maybe I'm judging Scorsese on his body of work, but you can't tell me that not one of his movies was deserving at some point?
About drinking wine, my wife is fond of saying "I don't know much about wine, but I know what I like when I drink it." I feel somewhat the same about movies. Sure, I can analyze fine points, but ultimately, I wouldn't know how to judge one film as being better than the next. The choice ultimately comes down to personal taste. BBM is an excellent movie in many aspects, but I'm not sure what it is that attracts me to it. No other movie has made me feel this way. No other movie has grabbed me like this before. No other movie has me still thinking about it every day months after I last saw it. No other movie has me listening to the soundtrack everyday. The experience of this movie is something I hold close to my heart. Hopefully those involved with the making of BBM have even a slight understanding of how important this movie is to so many people.
While disappointed with the final outcome of the Oscars, it has in no way diminished my love for BBM. Its legacy will prevail as long as we hold the story in our hearts.
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While disappointed with the final outcome of the Oscars, it has in no way diminished my love for BBM. Its legacy will prevail as long as we hold the story in our hearts.
Yes. Thank you, Kindred.
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Did anyone win more than three Oscars?
was it 3 the most given to a film?
because if im not mistaken doesn't it make a four-way tie for BBM, Crash, Memoirs of a Geisha, King Kong..
"Crash" best picture, whatever.. but its no landslide victory obviously if the movie with the most oscars is in a 4 way tie for first.
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I truly believe that Brokeback Mountain has already won many hearts in the world. What is more important than that? I don't feel upset because it makes many people rethink their life and to be a better person.
So is it necessary to blame too much on the Academy?Not all members chose not to vote Brokeback as best picture indeed. I already accept the result. It is never the end of the spirit of Brokeback, it is just the beginning.
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Did anyone win more than three Oscars?
was it 3 the most given to a film?
because if im not misten doesn't it make a three-way tie for BBM, Crash, Memoirs of a Geisha, King Kong..
Correct. However, King Kong and Geisha only won technical awards.
BBM won for Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, and Best Original Score.
Crash won for Best Picture, Best Original Screenplay, and Film Editing (I think?)
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I too am disappointed. Were we robbed? Not in my opinion because NO ONE can take away from us what we have achieved from BBM. We can choose to accept the limitations that society (the Academy as well) dictates or we can rise above the ashes...standing tall (in our saddles) and show the world that we are united. Our story was shown worldwide and whether or not there was acceptance...we MUST accept ourselves and continue to love ourselves and each other. BBM did not win best picture...but
BBM WON OUR HEARTS! It has helped us to transform how we look at ourselves, it has opened closed doors and allowed the soft and warming breeze of love to flow through our lives. We must not allow the tragedy of not winning best picture to stop us from furthering the healing process that many of us have begun. Most of us have sat in a darkened theater watching BBM portray a part of our lives to the world. Now we MUST LIVE better knowing what BBM has created.
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Yeah it's disappointing but I dunno, it reminds me of the year Shakespeare in Love won, while I love it
originally Saving Private Ryan looked like it would win. And then Shakespeare group put on a massive campaign
and sure enough it won. So they sort of bought the award, and that probably happened here. They
probably did a big campaign. It's weird, I mean BBM won ALL the other awards, producers award indie spirit,
GGlobe, Directors Guild.
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The country sucks!!! let's leave from it.
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Can I say one thing too:
Clooney made an eloquent point about yes Hollywood is out of touch but in a good way, for
instance they gave Hattie McDaniels (I think that is her name) an Oscar when blacks were still
sent to the back of the bus..well they gave it to her for playing a ditzy slave. Denzel got his Oscar for
playing a pimp. In other words, they are progressive in their own way. Altman was badly treated
by Hollywood. A lot of people felt he should tell them to shove his honorary award.
Anyways, I think this nod to Crash is all about them, an "aren't I speciaL" award.
I read someones post about Nicholson's reaction to the Crash win, how he looked shocked.
It clearly was not the best picture.
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Like so many of you, I am disappointed with the travesty that took place last evening at the Oscars. Let me share with you how I am dealing with this as I think it might help to put all of this into perspective. Rather than go directly to the board and post my anger and disgust after the awards, I instead poured a glass of wine and got into bed and proceeded to do a crossword puzzle. I fell asleep soon after, got up at 7AM, and went to the gym and did an hour workout listening to Gustavo's award- winning score. I came home, made a pot of chicken soup, and then decided I had cooled off enough and that it was time to do a post. Here it is:
The following headlines were in yesterday's Boston Globe:
US Freeze on Hamas Aid Carries Humanitarian Price
Flu Fears Spur Research Into Virus Killers
Bishops' Ban To Exclude Gay Adoption Through Catholic Social Services Will Cost Church Millions
Explosive Devices In Iraq Evolve to Become Greater Threat
EU Reject Iranian Nuclear Offer
Bush, Musharraf Renew Alliance In War On Terror
And so on and so on....
I am hurt like all of you by this slap in the face from Hollywood, but please put this into proper perspective as to what is going on the world today.
It is time to move on. Heath and Michelle, Ang, and Jake have put this movie behind them as they move on with their careers and lives. We need to do the same. We have been touched, and our lives will never be the same, and we should be happy for that. It was a good ride while it lasted, and if we keep the spirit of this movie alive in our hearts, we will be better for it and the world will become better for it. I hurt, I ache, and I cry, but I need to move on, we all do. My hugs to all of you!
Here are a few of my observations on last night:
Let's celebrate the awards given to Ang Lee, Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, and Gustavo Santaolalla, for they are truly deserving.
Heath and Michelle were the most attractive couple on the red carpet. Michelle's dress was the most beautiful of all.
Ang Lee's acceptance speech was classy and moving, he is a truly humble and caring person.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman gave a wonderful speech and mentioned how proud he was to be in the company of such wonderful actors.
George Clooney was his usual lovable, intelligent, and humble self, and we should be happy for him.
This Oscar show was without a doubt the worst ever, and was a complete bore and failure. Hollywood should be ashamed and we should be happy!
John Stewart should not give up his day job.
The nominated songs were terrible and the winning song was complete agony. Is this the best they can do?
The most unattractive couple was Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves. Any movie starring Bullock has to suck, and isnt it time Reeves came out of the closet?
May peace and happiness be with all of you.
meandennis
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meandennis -- well said!
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on a more positive note: the DVD will be out quicker now! ;D can't wait!
Cara
trying to stay on the bright side of an 'unsatisfactory situation'
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Good luck Cara, I love the quote.
meandennis
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I call for a boycott of the Oscars next year; instead I am going to watch BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN on DVD.
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Did any other movie get so many oscars?
The world thinks Brokeback Mountain was the best film, and the US ranked it in its top 5. You CAN have a best director and not win best picture if the acting or other technical aspects don't quite match the genius of the Director. I think Brokeback got a fair run,
and winning an oscor doesn't suddenly make the world a less homophobic place. Fact is, it's the biggest grossing of all those nominated movies, and is destined to do great business on dvd because of the emotional bond it has found within so many who have seen it at the cinema. None of those other movies are going to do the business of Brokeback. And the Annie Proulx story and the soundtrack will be selling quite well I'm sure. Brokeback will be a quiet revolution, it will dissipate into the culture and creep into into places where the bigots least expect it. Decades from now it will be better known than Crash or Capote or Walk The Line. Quite simply it is an iconic film which won't go away. The little gay cowboy movie that could. Not everything has to be a blockbuster or a "Best Picture" to endure.
Brokeback Mountain will go to dvd with "Best Director" "Best Original Soundtrack" and "Best Screenplay Adaption" on the cover. Three statuettes. Three. A pretty resounding endorsement from Hollywood if you ask me.
Very well said friend! I applaud you and everyone here.
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Sorry, I double posted it-- I think it belongs here-
This article saying just what we think in the LA Times as well as the photo of Michelle and Heath will really uplift you and me
enjoy
http://theenvelope.latimes.com/awards/oscars/env-turan5mar05,0,5359042.story
http://theenvelope.latimes.com/galleries/photo/redcarpet/env-oscarredcarpetmar05-pg,0,6140195.photogallery
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Let's take some comfort in knowing that Crash will be remembered as the suck movie that the homophobes in Hollywood used to defeat Brokeback Mountain. Crash will NEVER stand up as a good movie on it's merits - it will just be known as the spoiler. Remember when Shakespere in love defeated Saving Private Ryan...i think that important Hollywood types should somehow split up AMPAS and take the progressive liberal folk with vision as far away from the old fogie fartheads that did this. AMPAS has lost it's mind=and no one will watch the Oscars next year. What a joke they have become. As far as Crash it will be embroiled in law suits - the producers are suing....it is a loser and a spoiler and will become the movie no one remembers=be sure to read my links farther down to page.
karin P.S. i made an appointment with a psychologist today...I cannot stop crying and I really need to find out how to get a life again. A real life. I want to live out the rest of my days happy and productive and unselfishly--right now I am filled with sadness , anger and bitterness and just perplexed at the state of the world and its leaders. xxoo
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Italian guy wrote:
Everyone knows Brokeback Mountain deserved to win Best Picture because it was the BEST PICTURE OF THE YEAR. It is a groundbreaking film and it shames me that the Academy did not recognize it as Best Picture
and I agree, it is groundbreaking, monumentally so, so much that it went right over their heads - regarding Crash, give me a break, a movie about racism?? and bad cops?? in LA is groundbreaking?? what a bunch of total unadulterated bull ..... somebody should check for hanging chads or something .... what really really galls me is the truly small, childish, sophomoric, impertinence of things like the Gay western theme clips with ad libs from Stewart - what is WRONG with these people? Are they trully as passive/aggressive, homophobic, contemptuous and fearful of what it trully means to be homosexual that they can't even talk about it in a dignified way - Jon Stewart makes me sick and Susan Bullock, she is on the shit list for sure. On the carpet, she tried to drum up "Crash" by dismissing the other films as only about one group or one person .... clearly, she doesn't know her ass from a whole in the ground.
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Talk of fans buying a respectful ad in Variety concerning BBM....
http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=1626.165;topicseen
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I don't know what the dollar figures are but BBM spawned (1) a paperback (2) hardcover (3) screenplay, essay papereback (4)soundtrack (5) 2 websites (6) clothing lines (7) several thousand ebay sales (8) record auction price for a NEW film wardrobe item.
But most of all it created dialogue across the globe.
I don't think people are rushing to go out and buy a copy of "In Cold Blood" or any other works by Truman Capote.
Lets see if and when the major movie chains drop BBM from their lineup.
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My thought is that if we are going to do anything, it is to make a concerted effort at it. Yes each of us mailing a letter would make a point, but if we had one letter, or several forms of a letter expressing our displeasure and sent it in all of our names or pseudos, then it would make the statement that while individually we feel a certain thing also collectively, as a group, we feel the same. Maybe it would take both to make a better effect.
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Hi folks. Look just an observation here, but the media seems quite surprised that Brokeback Mountain didn't win Best Picture. What does that tell us? Oscar or not, Brokeback Mountain - for all the controversy - does seem to have begrudginly won the respect of most people. Difficult to get made, hard to cast, almost impossible to finance...but here we are with three oscars and a plethora of international awards. So maybe Brokeback Mountain is like the thin edge of the wedge. Years ago I'm sure people were uncomfortable being openly supportive of "anti-racist" ideas, but over time racism seems to be something Hollywood embraces. Some people were still awkward about Brokeback, but now the ice has been broken in years to come other gay themed movies might get a better run.
I *do* find it fascinating to watch Hollywood fall over itself when it comes to anti-semitism or racism (especially towards American Negroes) yet things like bigotry and discrimination towards gay people leave people looking awkward and ill at ease. Brokeback Mountain probably lost out NOT because of what it said about gay cowboys, but how it portrayed the people of the midwest (as gay hating gay bashers). Had Jake and Ennis lived happily ever after we might have won that fourth Oscar. Many people would have been squirming in their seats as those scenes of young Ennis being shown the dead rancher or of Jack being beaten to a pulp - because they would have been confronted with an image of themselves which was perhaps too close to the bone. Thats why Brokeback lost IMHO. Not because of its positive image of gay masculinity, but because it shon a spotlight on something has always been left unspoken.
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As Ang said, it's the final frontier.
I know some liberal white guys who put the movie down without seeing it.
I confronted one guy at a party the other night, smart guy, never a bigoted bone
in his body (so he thinks) but called it trite and a chick flick and hadn't seen it.
I got on his case, he said he would see it now, not sure if I believe him.
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Let's take some comfort in knowing that Crash will be remembered as the suck movie that the homophobes in Hollywood used to defeat Brokeback Mountain. Crash will NEVER stand up as a good movie on it's merits - it will just be known as the spoiler. Remember when Shakespere in love defeated Saving Private Ryan...i think that important Hollywood types should somehow split up AMPAS and take the progressive liberal folk with vision as far away from the old fogie fartheads that did this. AMPAS has lost it's mind=and no one will watch the Oscars next year. What a joke they have become. As far as Crash it will be embroiled in law suits - the producers are suing....it is a loser and a spoiler and will become the movie no one remembers=be sure to read my links farther down to page.
karin P.S. i made an appointment with a psychologist today...I cannot stop crying and I really need to find out how to get a life again. A real life. I want to live out the rest of my days happy and productive and unselfishly--right now I am filled with sadness , anger and bitterness and just perplexed at the state of the world and its leaders. xxoo
Good point.
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Well last nights live thread was a roller coaster ride.I have been catching up on post oscar reports.I watched Ang interviewed at the entrance to the vanity fair party.When questioned if he was pleased about the best director win he said this..."Pleased for me yes.For Brokeback.No" He was also asked if he was shocked they didn't win best picture.He said 'Yes'.I admire his honesty. A couple of U.S newspaper reports below.
Jennis.x
The post-Oscars debate: Why Brokeback lost
Reuters - Mar 06, 12:26
The Oscars opened the closet door to gay-themed films but shut it
almost as quickly.
"Brokeback Mountain," the much-ballyhooed favorite about two gay
cowboys, won best director for Ang Lee on Sunday but stunningly lost
the best picture prize to race drama "Crash." Additionally Philip
Seymour Hoffman won best actor for playing gay novelist Truman Capote
in "Capote."
The victory for "Crash" suggested Oscar voters were more comfortable
with a tale that exploited the seamy underbelly of racial conflict in
contemporary Los Angeles than with a heartbreaking tale of love
between two married men.
"Perhaps the truth really is, Americans don't want cowboys to be
gay," said Larry McMurtry, 69, who shared an Oscar for best adapted
screenplay with Diana Ossana for "Brokeback."
No overtly gay love story has ever won a best picture award and, as
of Monday morning, none has. The big question going into the Oscars
was whether Hollywood, often in the forefront of social issues, would
break another taboo.
"Film buffs and the politically minded will be arguing this morning
about whether the Best Picture Oscar to 'Crash' was really for the
film's merit or just a cop-out by the Motion Picture Academy so it
wouldn't have to give the prize to 'Brokeback Mountain,"' said
Washington Post critic Tom Shales.
Los Angeles Times critic Kenneth Turan saw "Brokeback's" failure as a
sign that Hollywood was not yet ready to grant the topic of
homosexual love mainstream respectability.
"Despite all the magazine covers it graced, despite all the red-state
theaters it made good money in, despite (or maybe because of) all the
jokes late-night talk show hosts made about it, you could not take
the pulse of the industry without realizing that 'Brokeback Mountain'
made a number of people distinctly uncomfortable," he said, adding:
"So for people who were discomfited by 'Brokeback Mountain' but
wanted to be able to look themselves in the mirror and feel like they
were good, productive liberals, 'Crash' provided the perfect safe
harbor."
BROKEBACK, CRASH WIN 3
"Brokeback" led the field with eight nominations and ended up with
three prizes, also winning for original score.
Hoffman won for playing Truman Capote in "Capote," a story of the
archly gay writer going to Kansas to report on the murder of a family
of four for his classic book "In Cold Blood." Hollywood sweetheart
Reese Witherspoon won best actress for her performance as country
singer June Carter in the Johnny Cash biographical film, "Walk the
Line."
"Crash," which covers a 36-hour period in Los Angeles as the lives of
people of many races collide in a way that highlights bigotry, was a
close second to "Brokeback" in Oscar handicapping. "Crash"
writer/director Paul Haggis said he was "shocked, shocked" with the
victory. It also won three prizes.
"We're still trying to figure out if we got this," he said, clutching
his golden trophy in his hand. "None of us expected it. You hope, but
we had a tiny picture ... this was a year when Hollywood rewarded
rule breakers."
Following the plots of many of its message-themed movies, Oscar took
a decidedly political tone with winners noting causes, and freshman
show host Jon Stewart making wisecracks.
Stewart's performance seemed to divide the TV critics.
"It's hard to believe that professional entertainers could have put
together a show less entertaining than this year's Oscars, hosted
with a smug humorlessness by comic Jon Stewart, a sad and pale shadow
of great hosts gone by," said the Post's Shales.
"Brokeback Mountain" was released by Focus Features, a unit of NBC
Universal, which is controlled by General Electric Co. "Capote" was
released by Sony Pictures, a unit of Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news).
"Walk the Line" was released by Twentieth Century Fox, a unit of News
Corp.. "Crash" was released by Lionsgate, a unit of Lions Gate
Entertainment Corp.
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I realize that this experience has upset many of us. Here is something I think is important to remember:
You make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offense as when you give offense.
We create the world we live in.
A loving person lives in a loving world,
A hostile person lives in a hostile world.
Everyone you meet is your mirror.
Use this experience to change the world, instead of this experience changing you into what the world is.
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Well last nights live thread was a roller coaster ride.I have been catching up on post oscar reports.I watched Ang interviewed at the entrance to the vanity fair party.When questioned if he was pleased about the best director win he said this..."Pleased for me yes.For Brokeback.No" He was also asked if he was shocked they didn't win best picture.He said 'Yes'.I admire his honesty. A couple of U.S newspaper reports below.
Jennis.x
The post-Oscars debate: Why Brokeback lost
Reuters - Mar 06, 12:26
The Oscars opened the closet door to gay-themed films but shut it
almost as quickly.
Ethan,
Just saw you have a section for news coverage.Sorry i posted this here.Do you want to move it sweetheart?
Jennis.x
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I realize that this experience has upset many of us. Here is something I think is important to remember:
You make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offense as when you give offense.
We create the world we live in.
A loving person lives in a loving world,
A hostile person lives in a hostile world.
Everyone you meet is your mirror.
Use this experience to change the world, instead of this experience changing you into what the world is.
Thanks for sharing this drbill ;)
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Thanks drbill, your words are much appreciated :)
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I was pretty stunned last night. I think CRASH is an interesting movie - a good movie even, and I did get something from it, but to win over BBM? That seems so bizarre to me.
I really don't know much about the Oscars and how they all happen, but I get the feeling that there is some kind of bringing bbm down off it's "high horse." (no pun intended)
I wonder if this movie was just too great for hollywood to embrace. I guess what I'm feeling is - is there jealousy going on here?
People are pretty competitive by nature, and in that business, they like to see eachother succeed - a LITTLE but not too much? Right?
I don't know...I'm still pretty shocked. I'm glad there is this group to vent to. No one else seems to understand why I feel personally invested in the outcome of the Oscars. I'm not even sure I do - but I am. I can imagine how BBM people (Ang, actors, Annie etc) must feel today.
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I'm glad to see, that here, on this topic and forum, we can talk about our feeling or anything else without fight each other... ! :)
I don't want talk again and again about best picture, crash or bbm. But I just want remind something.
When Ang Lee received the Oscar he said " I wish I knew how to quit you." ... (okay, maybe he should said "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it. " but.. lol) anyway the most important thing is what he tell to us once again (not sure exactly of course)
"They are called Ennis and Jack They learned to us so much from things, not only on the subject the homosexual ones in our company, but especially on the greatness of the love itself "
Even Brokeback Mountain didn't win best picture, we already know what bbm bring to us and what the movie really mean and win.
Ps: I'm really sorry for my bad English.
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Believe me Lost Girl, You express yourself just fine. Like you, think this site is unbelievably open and friendly. Where else could a 60 year old male say to a 17 year old female - I've had the same experience as you, BBM, and I know what you feel. Before we get <ot> thanks for your posts.
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I must admit that I went to bed last night more upset about all of the anger and hurt I was reading on the Oscar live thread than I was about BBM losing out for Best Picture. I was in bed staring at the ceiling until almost 4am.
Today, it seems that members are calmer and more philosophical about what happened, and that is a good thing.
I won't even mention last night's finale, and I didn't buy the paper today like I always do after the Oscarcast.
IMHO, the priority now should be to preserve the unique and wonderful spirit of this incredible forum. Oscar should not beat us down or in any way damage the experience that we share here.
With love to you all,
JB
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I have tried to avoid newcasts all day - every time i ran into one was pleased to hear 'crash' followed by word 'shock', NO-ONE calling it a 'deserving winner', and followed by clips of BBM. I think to myself this has highlighted the integrity and regard critics and public alike have for BBM, perhaps a blessing in disguise?
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Like so many of you, I am disappointed with the travesty that took place last evening at the Oscars. Let me share with you how I am dealing with this as I think it might help to put all of this into perspective. Rather than go directly to the board and post my anger and disgust after the awards, I instead poured a glass of wine and got into bed and proceeded to do a crossword puzzle. I fell asleep soon after, got up at 7AM, and went to the gym and did an hour workout listening to Gustavo's award- winning score. I came home, made a pot of chicken soup, and then decided I had cooled off enough and that it was time to do a post. Here it is:
The following headlines were in yesterday's Boston Globe:
US Freeze on Hamas Aid Carries Humanitarian Price
Flu Fears Spur Research Into Virus Killers
Bishops' Ban To Exclude Gay Adoption Through Catholic Social Services Will Cost Church Millions
Explosive Devices In Iraq Evolve to Become Greater Threat
EU Reject Iranian Nuclear Offer
Bush, Musharraf Renew Alliance In War On Terror
And so on and so on....
I am hurt like all of you by this slap in the face from Hollywood, but please put this into proper perspective as to what is going on the world today.
It is time to move on. Heath and Michelle, Ang, and Jake have put this movie behind them as they move on with their careers and lives. We need to do the same. We have been touched, and our lives will never be the same, and we should be happy for that. It was a good ride while it lasted, and if we keep the spirit of this movie alive in our hearts, we will be better for it and the world will become better for it. I hurt, I ache, and I cry, but I need to move on, we all do. My hugs to all of you!
Here are a few of my observations on last night:
Let's celebrate the awards given to Ang Lee, Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, and Gustavo Santaolalla, for they are truly deserving.
Heath and Michelle were the most attractive couple on the red carpet. Michelle's dress was the most beautiful of all.
Ang Lee's acceptance speech was classy and moving, he is a truly humble and caring person.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman gave a wonderful speech and mentioned how proud he was to be in the company of such wonderful actors.
George Clooney was his usual lovable, intelligent, and humble self, and we should be happy for him.
This Oscar show was without a doubt the worst ever, and was a complete bore and failure. Hollywood should be ashamed and we should be happy!
John Stewart should not give up his day job.
The nominated songs were terrible and the winning song was complete agony. Is this the best they can do?
The most unattractive couple was Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves. Any movie starring Bullock has to suck, and isnt it time Reeves came out of the closet?
May peace and happiness be with all of you.
meandennis
I agree. Soon the hurt will be gone and a year from now when we are watching BBM on DVD or HBO we will smile fondly on the beautiful film we all love so much.
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I guess with me it's just that this film shouldn't have lost.....It seems the Academy purposely snubbed this movie saying, "Huh, we are not gonna let this movie win just because the whole world said it would"......I can only imagine how Heath, Jake, Michelle, Ang, Anne, and the whole crew must have felt....We received all the honors in the other award shows, it just seemed like someone threw a 'blurp' in the Best Picture category....
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We create the world we live in.
A loving person lives in a loving world,
A hostile person lives in a hostile world.
Everyone you meet is your mirror.
Use this experience to change the world, instead of this experience changing you into what the world is.
Excellent as always Bill.
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Don't you find it strange Clint Eastwood was not attending the ceremony yesterday? Normally he should have been the one to present the Best Director Award. He was not looking very happy at the Golden Globes when had to present his award to Ang.
There are some people in the film industry I would like to correspond with, just to know what they think of this situation...
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It is our responsibility to keep this movie alive forever. Buy the DVD, talk about it to friends, quote from it, and refer to it whenever you can.
I think that's the least that we can do for a film that has done so much for us!
I totally agree with you. It's up to us to make it enter the legend. :)
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No sooner than I walked in he door at work today, before I even had my coat off, one of my co-workers came up to me to ask if I was devastated. I said no, I was disappointed, but not surprised. Having read and heard so much talk about Crash recently, I was prepared.
I saw Crash before I saw BBM for the first time, so I'm not comparing them on that basis. I hate to diss a moive, but my reaction to Crash was that "All in the Family" did it much better 30 years ago. As a matter of fact, I have yet to talk to anyone who has seen Crash and thought it was anything more than a so-so movie.
I take some comfort in the fact that a lot of people (critics, reporters etc) are genuinely surprised, Jack Nicholson for example.
My take on the whole thing is that the Academy had to recognize the "art" of the movie, hence the awards that were won, but they were not about to endorse the gay theme of the movie.
To me - as a straight woman - I really didn't see it as a "gay" movie. And it may sound trite but when one of my female co-workers and I were trying to convince a male co-worker to see it, we both told him that when watching it, you really kinda forget its about 2 men.
Sorry for rambling...I just got home after a long day at work.
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I am angry and disgusted and sad. I wonder how many members of the Academy actually bothered to see the movie? I also wondered about not showing Annie Proulx; what kind of slap was that?
My husband was even angrier than I was, and he's not as big a fan of BBM as I am (though he loves Annie Proulx). He couldn't believe "Crash" won.
The one good thing that will come out of all this is that you can bet I will be damn careful where my money and votes go from now on, and my children will not grow up to be ignorant fools. >:(
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One other thing--if "Crash" is so damn great, why didn't it win Best Director? How the hell can you give a movie Best Director and not Best Picture? That doesn't even make sense.
camom
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Considering all the articles I read today from Canadian, American and European press. Critics are not so good, people are questioning how come that happened.. The Academy is in deep sh*t. Many of it's members said they never saw BBM and would not see it, it's against the rules. Some other said he didn't dare to vote himself but gave the balllot to his secretary of a member of his family. Many names are now known for braking the Academy rules. They just opened a can of worms... Up yours morons!
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One other thing--if "Crash" is so damn great, why didn't it win Best Director? How the hell can you give a movie Best Director and not Best Picture? That doesn't even make sense.
camom
Yep, i agree with u on this, what were they thinking giving Crash the Best Pic Award??? ??? ::) :P
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Considering all the articles I read today from Canadian, American and European press. Critics are not so good, people are questioning how come that happened.. The Academy is in deep sh*t. Many of it's members said they never saw BBM and would not see it, it's against the rules. Some other said he didn't dare to vote himself but gave the balllot to his secretary of a member of his family. Many names are now known for braking the Academy rules. They just opened a can of worms... Up yours morons!
but who the hell is gonna investigate them, they have their own rules which this time they truly have not abide by, GOD I wish there was a Lawyer that would Challenge the Academy, read the rules on their webbsite yesterday and truly they brokes all the regulations in the book.
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One other thing--if "Crash" is so damn great, why didn't it win Best Director? How the hell can you give a movie Best Director and not Best Picture? That doesn't even make sense.
camom
Yep, i agree with u on this, what were they thinking giving Crash the Best Pic Award??? ??? ::) :P
I can answer that.
they were thinking..
"Hmm, so we don't look so blatantly ignorant and homophobic let's give Ang Lee best director for that gay movie. This way the gay rights activists can't say we shunned Brokeback and start a whole conterversy about it. We'lll give it to Crash just because it has nothingt to do with gay things *shudder* even though Gigli was probably more deserving of Best Picture. Yes! Great plan! We have saved the sanctity of love between one man and woman! Go us old geezers!"
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Don't you find it strange Clint Eastwood was not attending the ceremony yesterday? Normally he should have been the one to present the Best Director Award. He was not looking very happy at the Golden Globes when had to present his award to Ang.
There are some people in the film industry I would like to correspond with, just to know what they think of this situation...
I was wondering about that myself; he is working on a film though and may not have been able to get to L.A. for the Awards.
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I am angry and disgusted and sad. I wonder how many members of the Academy actually bothered to see the movie? I also wondered about not showing Annie Proulx; what kind of slap was that?
My husband was even angrier than I was, and he's not as big a fan of BBM as I am (though he loves Annie Proulx). He couldn't believe "Crash" won.
The one good thing that will come out of all this is that you can bet I will be damn careful where my money and votes go from now on, and my children will not grow up to be ignorant fools. >:(
I agree with you it is despicable that they would not show Anni Proulx and tossed Ang Lee aside as fast as the windstorm on a lonely desert road. shame
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if you guys haven't seen it check out the list of the non winning company we keep- it will blow you away--it is a wonderful life did not win an oscar--it is a classic they play every xmas...it is on page 2 of this thread - the list that is of the non winners throughout the years...........should put a tiny bit of hope inside...me i need a psychologist. i am so sad.
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Don't you find it strange Clint Eastwood was not attending the ceremony yesterday? Normally he should have been the one to present the Best Director Award. He was not looking very happy at the Golden Globes when had to present his award to Ang.
There are some people in the film industry I would like to correspond with, just to know what they think of this situation...
I was wondering about that myself; he is working on a film though and may not have been able to get to L.A. for the Awards.
Clint Eastwood is the quintessential Amercian Cowboy...at least in the movies..he wouldn't come I bet to a Brokeback Mountain evening. He is a big Paul Haggis man (Million Dollar Baby and an upcoming pic this summer with Paul)..if he thought Paul was going to win, he would have shown up...His movies that include gays are not great (Midnight in the Garden) and the treatment of gays in his Dirty Harry movies is despicable.
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don't forget ol' clint was an adulterer in bridges of madison county-so much for his family values f(&*ing hypocrites
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And the winner is . . . homophobia?
Hollywood is now buzzing with accusations that homophobia played a lead role in "Brokeback Mountain's" loss as best picture at the Oscars. Is it true?
Let's recall a report I made here recently about one voter barking: "Have you ever seen the audience at an official academy screening? There's no way that crowd's voting for 'Brokeback'!" What he meant was that they're mostly straight geezers who certainly can't be seduced by some too-pretty young gay cowboys.
One older academy member, an obviously disgusted Tony Curtis, told Fox News reporter Bill McCuddy that he had no intention of watching "Brokeback" and he knew lots of other academy members who felt the same way.
Looks like Curtis is still running away from what scared him in "Spartacus" when Crassus (Laurence Olivier) told his slave Antoninus (Curtis) with a sly smile that he likes both "snails and oysters." Antoninus, a somewhat effeminate poet, skeedattled out of there fast to sign up for Spartacus' manly rebel army.
Curtis' fury was the same thing I saw on lots of faces of academy voters when I asked them what film they chose for best pic. Most of the non-"Brokeback" respondees were obviously anti-"Brokeback" because, before they revealed that they opted for "Crash" or "Good Night, and Good Luck," they began their response huffily, saying, "Well, I'm not voting for 'Brokeback'!" No doubt some of them meant that they didn't feel the film was up to its hype, but it was obvious as heck that others had a problem with the whole gay thing.
Perhaps I've deluded myself so far thinking that those folks can't be homophobes. I just kept telling myself that they're probably thinking, "Oh, enough with all these gay persecution movies already!" But when you hear similar sentiment about a glut of Jewish persecution films, it doesn't seem to matter in the Oscar results. "Schindler's List," "Life is Beautiful" and "Chariots of Fire" still win. But, of course, many gay persecution films have claimed top Oscars too, like "Philadelphia" and "Boys Don't Cry," so maybe it's unfair to think the worst.
"Crash" is a worthy best pic champ, a truly great film that deserves the top Oscar and I'm happy it prevailed, as I always warned you it might. No doubt it has scads of passionate supporters within the academy who truly believe it was the best movie of 2005 and they were enthusiastically won over by the "Crash" cast, crew and studio execs who campaigned with more gusto than those shy cowboys.
But the "Brokeback" backlash, if real, is scary because it suggests something sinister going unsaid and, if it is true in liberal, normally gay-friendly Hollywood, then imagine what that implies about attitudes in less lavender-tolerant parts of America. If Paul Haggis had won best director for his best picture, this fear would be unfounded, but the illogical split vote must make us wonder.
Mar 6, 2006 2:41:17 PM
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I heard that Crash was a misspelling - the REAL name of the movie was Cr*p!
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I heard that Crash was a misspelling - the REAL name of the movie was Cr*p!
CR*P (https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.imagethrust.com%2Fi%2F295732%2F25.gif&hash=e0907ba7e9f538be4f11f5969581e16d2cf9fe8c)
Thanks JB! ;D ;D ;D
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Considering all the articles I read today from Canadian, American and European press. Critics are not so good, people are questioning how come that happened.. The Academy is in deep sh*t. Many of it's members said they never saw BBM and would not see it, it's against the rules. Some other said he didn't dare to vote himself but gave the balllot to his secretary of a member of his family. Many names are now known for braking the Academy rules. They just opened a can of worms... Up yours morons!
but who the hell is gonna investigate them, they have their own rules which this time they truly have not abide by, GOD I wish there was a Lawyer that would Challenge the Academy, read the rules on their webbsite yesterday and truly they brokes all the regulations in the book.
This is the dirty little secret that the Academy DOES NOT want anyone to know - not everyone in the Academy voting see all the nominated movies.
They vote as the wind blows.
But, hey folks, we live in a country that allowed 9 aged people to elect our president.
I bet if they counted the "pregnant chads" BBM might have won.
I hoped that BBM acturally was named on that ballot in Jack NIcholson's hand he just decided to say "Crash" afterall he was in "As Good AS It Gets" playing a rabid OCD homophob and looked too comfortable in the role for my taste.
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I heard that Crash was a misspelling - the REAL name of the movie was Cr*p!
CR*P (https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.imagethrust.com%2Fi%2F295732%2F25.gif&hash=e0907ba7e9f538be4f11f5969581e16d2cf9fe8c)
Thanks JB! ;D ;D ;D
LOL@the emoticon! Cham, u r too much, man!
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Gays take home the Oscars!!!
Boys Don't Cry---transgendered lead is brutally murdered
Philadelphia---aids victim dies with sweet music playing
Capote, Kiss of the SpiderWoman---gay men so effeminate as to not challenge the masculinity of those around them, both die sad, painful deaths eventually
Monster---lesbian serial killer
My all time favorite non-Oscar winner: The Bird Cage---let's laugh at the stereotypes for two hours! (Remember Robin Williams demonstrating dancing?)
No brainer:The Academy rejected BBM because of the subject matter--I wonder if we will ever know how many of them did not even see the film!...if only Ennis or Jack had been a little more girly or perhaps wore pink hats, or laughed incessantly---They could have pulled it off, right?
Oscar does not mean that much to me anymore..maybe it never did...
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if you guys haven't seen it check out the list of the non winning company we keep- it will blow you away--it is a wonderful life did not win an oscar--it is a classic they play every xmas...it is on page 2 of this thread - the list that is of the non winners throughout the years...........should put a tiny bit of hope inside...me i need a psychologist. i am so sad.
Karinda, got a cat? When I get blue I hug my cat, no matter what is going on in this world she is always there for me. And in appreciation once in a whille she leaves me a little favor to remember her. It's just a hairball.........but it is the thought that counts.........I think.
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C'était une soirée des Oscars vraiement ennuyante du début ŕ la fin.
Ŕ partir du moment ou Jake Giillenhall a perdu son trophé, le ton de la
soirée était donné. Nous savions que la plupart des autres nominations
étaient foutues. Aprčs avoir gagné tous les honneurs aux Golden Globe
et au BAFTA ainsi qu'au festival de Venise.
Ces messieurs de l'Académy Awards se sont ridiculisés en nommant
le film CRASH, meilleur film de l'année. J'ai vu ce film et il est tout
ŕ fait ordinaire, sans plus.
Je trouve dommage que le travail de toute l'équipe de BBM n'est pas été
récompensé comme il se devait.
SHAME ON YOU, MEMBERS OF THE ACADEMY
from Québec, Canada
the whole planet know your ignorance about movies
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I saw a tape of Curtis saying he won't see Brokeback.
Yeah Hollywood is real progressive!
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Bitter Old Queen, yup that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis. And to top it off...HIS FREAKIN Daughter (the wonderful Jamie Lee Curits) is JAKE GYLLENHAAL's God Mother!
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I watched the show last night sharing with all of you here. I saw what I expected to see, Heath, Jake and Michelle losing. When Crash won I was stunned but swallowed and thought well it's ok. It's Hollywood. I've spent the day reading posts here and going elsewhere to see what others are saying, just trying to be rational about the whole thing. Well, tonight I'm cooking supper and I just lost it. Sobbing, tears and snot all over my face. They still hate us. They still don't want to accept that we are real. THEY can accept us if we are a joke, the hairdresser, the interior decorator, the florist, the dancer. THEY can't accept that we are one with them, in every walk of life, on every economic level. WE are not freaks of nature. WE are a part of the whole human experience. I would not change who and what I am for anything. Live hasn't been easy for me but I wouldn't have lived it any other way.
Just ranting, excuse me.
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Bitter Old Queen, yup that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis. And to top it off...HIS FREAKIN Daughter (the wonderful Jamie Lee Curits) is JAKE GYLLENHAAL's God Mother!
That's right, what a Bozo. I mean he doesn't have to like it but keep your trap shut.
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Given what has been said regarding the improper voting activities...it would mean that their vote is meaningless. Therefore, BBM remains the winner! (at least in my opinion).
We humans have a tendency denying things when they do not fit into our world. We can deny ourselves the chance for love by allowing the past to paralyze us. Any healing that takes place starts somewhere. I believe BBM was the focal point of healing for many of us. Unfortunately there remains those whose healing process has been delayed by their fears (the members of the academy). We can not be like those who fear our sexuality. We must step above our anger and hurt feelings and embrace forgiveness. Forgiveness does not imply acceptance or approval but it does release us from the past. Without forgiveness we remain under the power of the person(s) or situation(s) we have found ourselves.
Let us all lift our heads up proudly for who we are and show the world that we are united. If we remain determined to feel angry and wronged, we can easily fit the definitions of those who fear us. Love is here...in our hearts...let us continue to share what we have gained from BBM. We stand together.
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Bitter Old Queen, yup that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis. And to top it off...HIS FREAKIN Daughter (the wonderful Jamie Lee Curits) is JAKE GYLLENHAAL's God Mother!
Aha! Finally vindication. When I lived in LA Tony Curtis had such a nasty rep. He is a bitter old queen. Thank you Cody.
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I am angry and disgusted and sad. I wonder how many members of the Academy actually bothered to see the movie? I also wondered about not showing Annie Proulx; what kind of slap was that?
My husband was even angrier than I was, and he's not as big a fan of BBM as I am (though he loves Annie Proulx). He couldn't believe "Crash" won.
The one good thing that will come out of all this is that you can bet I will be damn careful where my money and votes go from now on, and my children will not grow up to be ignorant fools. >:(
I agree with you it is despicable that they would not show Anni Proulx and tossed Ang Lee aside as fast as the windstorm on a lonely desert road. shame
I have a feeling that Annie Proulx wanted to maintain her privacy and didn't want any photos. I was disappointed that they did not show her.
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I'm going to see it tonight, it's playing at the local second run place near my house and the were so certain it
would win the Oscar they fought to have it show before the show. So in support I am going to go see it again,
it's only 10 minutes away.
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I watched the show last night sharing with all of you here. I saw what I expected to see, Heath, Jake and Michelle losing. When Crash won I was stunned but swallowed and thought well it's ok. It's Hollywood. I've spent the day reading posts here and going elsewhere to see what others are saying, just trying to be rational about the whole thing. Well, tonight I'm cooking supper and I just lost it. Sobbing, tears and snot all over my face. They still hate us. They still don't want to accept that we are real. THEY can accept us if we are a joke, the hairdresser, the interior decorator, the florist, the dancer. THEY can't accept that we are one with them, in every walk of life, on every economic level. WE are not freaks of nature. WE are a part of the whole human experience. I would not change who and what I am for anything. Live hasn't been easy for me but I wouldn't have lived it any other way.
Just ranting, excuse me.
Rant away, BBBOY, we are here for you, man.
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TY Jer :'(
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BBBoy - You just go right ahead FRIEND!
We all know what a joke tony curtis is. Nothing like old, used up and thinking you are king...oh wait that was Capote, but at least Tru had TALENT. Not gonna mistake that anytime soon with tony.
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If the academy didn't liike a movie about two gay cowboys they won't like my idea of two gay marines finding love on the battlefield. The movie would open up with two men leaving the ranch after getting drafted into the Marines.....irt would be a period piece.
I can picture John Wayne rollong over in his grave right now.
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Other than the list I placed my name on briefly this morning, this is my first post since Saturday night.
I watched the Oscars live from a room with about 20 people last night. When Jake didn't win, we were
all very dissapointed. Then Heath didn't win. We saw a pattern forming. The Score won and hope was
renewed, allthough one person complained that the same song throughout the film was annoying. Then
Ang won Best Director. The room was energized and we thought that we just might see history in
the making by a gay themed film winning best picture. It lost. The problem we had was what it lost
to: Crash.
Apparently the Academy can relate to inner-city strife and violence more than a love different than what
they find on mindless prime time television. Give us poverty, racial tension, gangs and explosions.
How screwed up is that?
Every single BBM cast and crew member has won the highest award I can give them: several theater
ticket purchases, a soundtrack & poster purchase and when the DVD is released, multiple purchases
for myself and gifts for others that either would or could not see it in the theater.
Crash will remain an uninteresting and unviewed film on my part.
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Wasn't Tony Curtis in a Roman period movie with homo-erotic undertones? I think he had to live down a lot of grief for it, the lady did protest too much.
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LOL The lady protested WAY too much! ;D ;D ;D
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I watched the show last night sharing with all of you here. I saw what I expected to see, Heath, Jake and Michelle losing. When Crash won I was stunned but swallowed and thought well it's ok. It's Hollywood. I've spent the day reading posts here and going elsewhere to see what others are saying, just trying to be rational about the whole thing. Well, tonight I'm cooking supper and I just lost it. Sobbing, tears and snot all over my face. They still hate us. They still don't want to accept that we are real. THEY can accept us if we are a joke, the hairdresser, the interior decorator, the florist, the dancer. THEY can't accept that we are one with them, in every walk of life, on every economic level. WE are not freaks of nature. WE are a part of the whole human experience. I would not change who and what I am for anything. Live hasn't been easy for me but I wouldn't have lived it any other way.
Just ranting, excuse me.
Rant away, BBBOY, we are here for you, man.
Thanks for posting this BBBOY, you are helping me get in touch with my sorrow and rage. And when that happens, I turn to my friend Annie Proulx: "...an accumulation of very small details gives the film authenticity and authority: Ennis's dirty fingernails in a love scene, the old highway sign ENTERING WYOMING not seen here for decades, the slight paunch Jack develops as he ages, the splotch of nail polish on Lureen's finger in the painful telephone scene, her mother's perfect Texas hair, Ennis and Jack sharing a joint instead of a cigarette in the 1970's, the switched around shirts, the speckled enamel coffeepot, all accumulate and convince us of the truth of the story. People may doubt that young men fall in love up on the snowy heights, but no one disbelieves the speckled coffeepot, and if the coffeepot is true, so is the other."
To Tony Curtis and the other members of the academy who refused to see this movie: F**k you and your irresponsibility to your craft!!
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Other than the list I placed my name on briefly this morning, this is my first post since Saturday night.
I watched the Oscars live from a room with about 20 people last night. When Jake didn't win, we were
all very dissapointed. Then Heath didn't win. We saw a pattern forming. The Score won and hope was
renewed, allthough one person complained that the same song throughout the film was annoying. Then
Ang won Best Director. The room was energized and we thought that we just might see history in
the making by a gay themed film winning best picture. It lost. The problem we had was what it lost
to: Crash.
Apparently the Academy can relate to inner-city strife and violence more than a love different than what
they find on mindless prime time television. Give us poverty, racial tension, gangs and explosions.
How screwed up is that?
Every single BBM cast and crew member has won the highest award I can give them: several theater
ticket purchases, a soundtrack & poster purchase and when the DVD is released, multiple purchases
for myself and gifts for others that either would or could not see it in the theater.
Crash will remain an uninteresting and unviewed film on my part.
Not to meention a rap song won best song?
Why wasn't "a love that will never gorw old" even nominated?
There were only 3 songs nominated?
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Thanks for posting this BBBOY, you are helping me get in touch with my sorrow and rage. And when that happens, I turn to my friend Annie Proulx: "...an accumulation of very small details gives the film authenticity and authority: Ennis's dirty fingernails in a love scene, the old highway sign ENTERING WYOMING not seen here for decades, the slight paunch Jack develops as he ages, the splotch of nail polish on Lureen's finger in the painful telephone scene, her mother's perfect Texas hair, Ennis and Jack sharing a joint instead of a cigarette in the 1970's, the switched around shirts, the speckled enamel coffeepot, all accumulate and convince us of the truth of the story. People may doubt that young men fall in love up on the snowy heights, but no one disbelieves the speckled coffeepot, and if the coffeepot is true, so is the other.
To Tony Curtis and the other members of the academy who refused to see this movie: F**k you and your irresponsibility to your craft!!
Boy did you just say it all! I have a silly question here. I just noticed that laureen appears under both our names. What is that all about? The number of posts? It's all I can figure.
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I have a feeling that Annie Proulx wanted to maintain her privacy and didn't want any photos. I was disappointed that they did not show her.
That is what I think so too. It shows how important BBM is to her. Kudos to Annie Proulx. It is definitely something to be proud of.
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BBBoy - You just go right ahead FRIEND!
We all know what a joke tony curtis is. Nothing like old, used up and thinking you are king...oh wait that was Capote, but at least Tru had TALENT. Not gonna mistake that anytime soon with tony.
Now, now Cowboy...ya gotta admit he looked pretty good in those dresses in "Some Like it Hot". But of course, Jack Lemmon was waaayyy better ;)
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Wasn't Tony Curtis in a Roman period movie with homo-erotic undertones? I think he had to live down a lot of grief for it, the lady did protest too much.
Uh, RAB? Which sword-and-sandal epic DIDN'T have homoerotic undertones? ;D
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I think some of you have possibly hit the nail on the head.
Brokeback Mountain wasn't an "acceptable" gay film because it didn't ridicule or parody the homosexuality or present it in a cosy, predictable setting. Masculinity was on the line, marriage was shown up as a sham, mainstream America might take offence at the "gay bashing" overtones. Hollywood seems to like a good dose of fantasy to make itself feel secure. Brokeback Mountain was probably far more realistic than the Star Elite cared for, and it was overlooked. Still, there's the little matter of a solid box office, critical acclaim, and overseas award which fly in the face of the Oscars and has the whole world going "what the??".
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Wasn't Tony Curtis in a Roman period movie with homo-erotic undertones? I think he had to live down a lot of grief for it, the lady did protest too much.
Uh, RAB? Which sword-and-sandal epic DIDN'T have homoerotic undertones? ;D
oops, duh, huh, clueless.........should I go on? You're right, even "Quo Vadis" was hot in an S&M sort of way. Not that I'm into that, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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BBBoy,
Yes it is based on the number of posts. I certainly wouldn't choose to be Lureen.
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Tony Curtis looked more like Aunt Tilly than a swingin' syncopated jazz musician.
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So which member of your family did Jack Lemmon look like? And what about Marilyn?? :D
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<OT> but anyone on my fathers side.
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Tony was beautiful when he was young. Very talented, smart..big star. He was part of Some Like it Hot, Defiant Ones, and Boston Strangler among others. I think age has a great deal to do with the Academy obviously snubbing BBM...mainly folks in their 60s, 70s, and 80s not wanting the Cowboy (i.e., American mystic) revealed for the myth it is. Only 40 years ago, people of different races were assigned different rest rooms. There were clear indicators that older Academy members were not even viewing the film (that explains the Cinematography snub, too). A reporter was interviewed on the Signorelli show today discussing that she knew in early February that Crash would win. With the Crash marketing blitz, offerring a picture to welcome the anti-BBM crowd..that was the end of the BBM victory ride. But, it was a great ride for a few months throughout the western world anyway, wasn't it? :). As long as Annie, Ang, Dianna and the whole cast and crew responsible for BBM know how grateful we and others are, maybe they will not be too saddened by this turn of events.
All the Jack Nastys of the world are just saying..Thank you and We love you.
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Hey everyone. This isn't the best way to introduce myself, but this is my first post on this amazing web site. I guess it's as good a place as any to vent, but last night's travesty has me disappointed, frustrated, upset and really bummed out. I am totally, totally happy that the movie has been as recognized as it has, with the oscars it did win and the countless other ways it's been acknowledged. There's just something so...symbolic about losing Best Picture when it seemed, from so many sources, so likely.
In the end, it doesn't lessen the importance of the movie...but in a way it really feels like a slap, like a big ole roadblock to show how much the movie could be allowed to be celebrated. I've posted on IMDB about how I don't hate Crash, it's not as simple as the racism movie vs. the homophobia movie. It's just now reading this mess about Stony Curtis not seeing the movie because it's 'not unique' or how it would make someone roll over in their grave or whatever. Jeez lousie, this from a man who practically gets seduced in Spartacus. It's like I just wanna sigh and shake my head, and on the other hand, I'm pissed and I wanna be with other people who can relate.
So, whew! Thanks for letting me vent some there. So much nicer than having to report troll after troll for their stupid comments. Beliieve me, I'm usually really nice!
Juan
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Juan - WELCOME HOME! You will love the company we keep here. This is one big Brokie Family! Look forward to your other posts as well!
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from USA today (Jack did vote for BBM)
What you saw: Surprise! Crash takes best picture.
What you didn't see: Backstage workers gasp as Crash wins over favorite Brokeback Mountain. When presenter Jack Nicholson is asked if he is surprised by the win, he says, "I didn't expect it because you heard so much about Brokeback," before confiding, "and that's who I voted for." But he cheerfully escorted Crash director Paul Haggis away.
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If the academy didn't liike a movie about two gay cowboys they won't like my idea of two gay marines finding love on the battlefield. The movie would open up with two men leaving the ranch after getting drafted into the Marines.....irt would be a period piece.
I can picture John Wayne rollong over in his grave right now.
didn't a bunch of marines just get busted for doing porn on the internet. and what do 19 year old boys do away from their girlfriends, etc. in iraq for a year?? 19 yr and 20 yr. old kids with raging hormones. i have wondered that for a long time. i am an old woman-but that is not a natural situation for guys at their peak of horniness-so what do they do? an interesting question.
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Don't you find it strange Clint Eastwood was not attending the ceremony yesterday? Normally he should have been the one to present the Best Director Award. He was not looking very happy at the Golden Globes when had to present his award to Ang.
There are some people in the film industry I would like to correspond with, just to know what they think of this situation...
I was wondering about that myself; he is working on a film though and may not have been able to get to L.A. for the Awards.
i just read his 94 yo dad died 2 weeks ago and he is mourning or something like that
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Bitter Old Queen, yup that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis. And to top it off...HIS FREAKIN Daughter (the wonderful Jamie Lee Curits) is JAKE GYLLENHAAL's God Mother!
i wrote this nasty letter to tony curtis that is his e mail address i got automated response
To: tonycurtis@tonycurtis.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:30 PM
Subject: are you drinking again or just stupid and ignorant i am 58 yr. old sober woman and
am ashamed of your horrible statements about a movie you never saw. you have the nerve, as a parent and a drunk who supposedly let a higher power in your life to judge and think you are above tolerance. you are disgusting and i hope that people are as intolerant of you and your legacy will be one of hoplessness, gay bashing ( i am 58 yr. old married woman) and an idiot who wouldn't even go see a movie before he judged it and opened his big fat old mouth to dis something he never saw. for goodness sake your daughter is jakes godmother, you pig.
karin dicker
los angeles
rot in hell no that is too good for you=burn in hell
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I watched the show last night sharing with all of you here. I saw what I expected to see, Heath, Jake and Michelle losing. When Crash won I was stunned but swallowed and thought well it's ok. It's Hollywood. I've spent the day reading posts here and going elsewhere to see what others are saying, just trying to be rational about the whole thing. Well, tonight I'm cooking supper and I just lost it. Sobbing, tears and snot all over my face. They still hate us. They still don't want to accept that we are real. THEY can accept us if we are a joke, the hairdresser, the interior decorator, the florist, the dancer. THEY can't accept that we are one with them, in every walk of life, on every economic level. WE are not freaks of nature. WE are a part of the whole human experience. I would not change who and what I am for anything. Live hasn't been easy for me but I wouldn't have lived it any other way.
Just ranting, excuse me.
i accept you we accept you-that is what is important my love karin
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It’s devastating to see Brokeback Mountain not winning the best picture award. However, I was more ticked off by seeing Crash won the biggest award of the night. My boyfriend and I were saying “please … anything but Crash” before the announcement. And to our horror … it did win.
I really don’t hate the movie Crash but I wasn’t impressed or inspired by it. It over dramatised the situations and at the same time over simplified its characters. It reminds me of the Anti-Discrimination training movies I saw at work. By trying to show the ugliness of racial stereotyping, the movie was doing exactly the same time, putting every race in the box. Being an Asian myself, I was particularly offended by the little air time of the Asian character in the movie (at most 2 lines?). And the movie was supposed to be based in L.A., right? Simply put, I just don’t get it.
Not only Brokeback Mountain is an excellent movie, it’s also an important movie. It is destined to become one of those milestone movies of all time. As time passes and when people look back, this is going to one of the biggest jokes in the history of the Academy Awards. My conclusion: this “gong show” does not deserve a movie like Brokeback Mountain!
- Dion ::)
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Given what has been said regarding the improper voting activities...it would mean that their vote is meaningless. Therefore, BBM remains the winner! (at least in my opinion).
We humans have a tendency denying things when they do not fit into our world. We can deny ourselves the chance for love by allowing the past to paralyze us. Any healing that takes place starts somewhere. I believe BBM was the focal point of healing for many of us. Unfortunately there remains those whose healing process has been delayed by their fears (the members of the academy). We can not be like those who fear our sexuality. We must step above our anger and hurt feelings and embrace forgiveness. Forgiveness does not imply acceptance or approval but it does release us from the past. Without forgiveness we remain under the power of the person(s) or situation(s) we have found ourselves.
Let us all lift our heads up proudly for who we are and show the world that we are united. If we remain determined to feel angry and wronged, we can easily fit the definitions of those who fear us. Love is here...in our hearts...let us continue to share what we have gained from BBM. We stand together.
What very wise words drbill, thank you for sharing them :)
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Peoples. We do need to move past this. Yes, winning Best Picture would have symbolised so much. And many of us have taken the loss as a personal kick in the guts. But we can't turn back time. As always, we "homosexuals" have to take stock and move forward with the strength that has seen us through so many other struggles. A long time ago I learned that I don't need acceptance from anyone else to feel good about myself. So what, Tony Curtis and some other old fogies on a voting panel didn't like the film enough to get it across the line. My best friend is so pro-gay (she's straight) but she felt the movie could have been structured better and done with one more trip through the edit suite. I value her opinion - it doesn't make her a homophobe. There could be a thousand reasons why Brokeback "lost". One of them might be a sense of homophobia in Hollywood. All I know is that I agree with my friend, the film was perhaps just shy of the greatness it needed to take home THE oscar. But I love it wholeheartedly. Let's not get carried away by taking the oscar fiasco as a personal affront. Personally, I think the Academy lost it years ago. And I don't need their approval to love a film.
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I agree with your comments, we need to get over it, however it would be nice if people such as Jay Leno would stop making jokes about BBM, such as this evening he personally attack Ang lee, I am Canadian, but there was no need to attack another culture the way he did , extremely arrogant.
it was so insulting that I can't even mention it here, that is how distasfull it was, hope no one ever founds out but I know and one of these days he will regret ever having said these words.
BBM is now my muse and it will influence me into achieving my goals and dreams, watch me!
Peace
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Hi - I've spent the last day pondering last night's Oscars. I was extremely disappointed that Brokeback didn't win best picture - Oh Hell - I was right royally P**SED OFF !!!. I learnt of the loss here on the live thread & videoed the Oscars because I didn't want to watch it - didn't want to see us lose.
Today, I checked the net for critic's comments - I would say at least 80% against the Academy for the Crash debacle. Then I watched the video of the show ........ And my impression? ....... The Academy is running scared!!!
These Oscars were all about "Commercial Imperative" - How many times did we hear someone say ( to paraphrase ) " Go see a movie at a cinema with a big screen & surround sound"
Hollywood is facing declining cinema takings, the emergence of high quality independent films ( BBM !!!!! yeah!!), the growth of powerful filmmakers not constrained to follow the "Hollywood" model.
And last night they showed this - they awarded 'everyone' but truthfully no-one "won" and the world knows it!!
March 5th 2006 - The Night the Oscar's Died.
In my opinion the result last night will see a shift from the Oscars to the Bafta's & The Golden Globes. They are more representative of world cinema!. On a personal note - I won't watch the Academy Awards again EVER! They have become a hollow spectacle!
Yes "Brokeback Mountain" deserved to win all it's nominations - but for the awards it got, The speeches from Gustavo, Larry, Diana and especially Ang absolutely blew me away - name me another movie where the producers, director etc spoke soooo passionately about their creation and characters . Ang Lee acknowledging Jack & Ennis epitomizes this miracle of a film - love Is a force of Nature - be it for a film or for their fellow man
Remember - "Brokeback Mountain" doesn't lie in the heart of a gold statue - it lies in the hearts of men!
Tonight I watched a news article on our headline current affairs program about how BBM has helped change attitude in Wyoming - how many "gay cowboys" have come out because of the movie & found acceptance!
On a personal note - I had three separate aquaintances I had recommended BBM to - come to me & say " What an amazing film - I'm going again and I'm going to take my friend to it."
It was then that I knew that BBM will survive & get stronger - why stand it when we can fix it!
John
New Zealand
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Don't you find it strange Clint Eastwood was not attending the ceremony yesterday? Normally he should have been the one to present the Best Director Award. He was not looking very happy at the Golden Globes when had to present his award to Ang.
There are some people in the film industry I would like to correspond with, just to know what they think of this situation...
Interesting point Chameau,
It is a well known fact that Eastwood is a card=carrying member of the Republican party. I was thinking how defferent the vote whould have been if the film industry was centered in New York City rather than LA. We are much more in-tuned with the real world here in the East and New Yorkers are much more liberal and tolerant of each other. That is why film people like Robert DiNiro, Martin Scorscese, Ang Lee, Hillary Swank, and our own Heath & Michelle choose to live here. They do not want to be a part of the Hollywood bullshit that we see take place every year when they hold their official atta-boy extravaganza. This was a dismal year for the big Hollywood studios and they are bitter over the failures of their big-budget crap they produce and the successes of the independent films. BBM also hit them between the eyes, bringing to light their many prejudices and insecurities. The vote for Crash was a shot at redemption, too little too late.
meandennis
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I saw a tape of Curtis saying he won't see Brokeback.
Yeah Hollywood is real progressive!
Tony Curtis,
Now there's a big star! I think the last piece of work he did was bottom center square on Hollywood Squares. Did he forget that he once dressed up as a woman in Some Like It Hot. It is ironic that was the only decent role he ever did.
meandennis
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On Monday's edition of the radio program Radio Times a commentator reiterated that the Oscar for Best Picture goes to the film which receives the the most votes...not necessarily the Best Film! It is a sad time. The Academy has no credibility in my view---its political. I am finished with them as well. I will pay attention to Film Festivals (e.g., Venice which was the first to award BBM), the Golden Globes and especially the BAFTAS.
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Hi - I've spent the last day pondering last night's Oscars. I was extremely disappointed that Brokeback didn't win best picture - Oh Hell - I was right royally P**SED OFF !!!. I learnt of the loss here on the live thread & videoed the Oscars because I didn't want to watch it - didn't want to see us lose.
Today, I checked the net for critic's comments - I would say at least 80% against the Academy for the Crash debacle. Then I watched the video of the show ........ And my impression? ....... The Academy is running scared!!!
These Oscars were all about "Commercial Imperative" - How many times did we hear someone say ( to paraphrase ) " Go see a movie at a cinema with a big screen & surround sound"
Hollywood is facing declining cinema takings, the emergence of high quality independent films ( BBM !!!!! yeah!!), the growth of powerful filmmakers not constrained to follow the "Hollywood" model.
And last night they showed this - they awarded 'everyone' but truthfully no-one "won" and the world knows it!!
March 5th 2006 - The Night the Oscar's Died.
In my opinion the result last night will see a shift from the Oscars to the Bafta's & The Golden Globes. They are more representative of world cinema!. On a personal note - I won't watch the Academy Awards again EVER! They have become a hollow spectacle!
Yes "Brokeback Mountain" deserved to win all it's nominations - but for the awards it got, The speeches from Gustavo, Larry, Diana and especially Ang absolutely blew me away - name me another movie where the producers, director etc spoke soooo passionately about their creation and characters . Ang Lee acknowledging Jack & Ennis epitomizes this miracle of a film - love Is a force of Nature - be it for a film or for their fellow man
Remember - "Brokeback Mountain" doesn't lie in the heart of a gold statue - it lies in the hearts of men!
Tonight I watched a news article on our headline current affairs program about how BBM has helped change attitude in Wyoming - how many "gay cowboys" have come out because of the movie & found acceptance!
On a personal note - I had three separate aquaintances I had recommended BBM to - come to me & say " What an amazing film - I'm going again and I'm going to take my friend to it."
It was then that I knew that BBM will survive & get stronger - why stand it when we can fix it!
John
New Zealand
Great sentiments in your post. I agree, the Oscars have now sunk into irrelevence, their parochialism and formulaic attitude so archaic in the emerging era of independent film-makers unbound by the Hollywood control structure. And yeah they don't represent world cinema!
They seem to have always been self-congratulatory bloated affairs and this year's edition ever more so. Of course the big studios are scared stiff of declining box office figures. DVD's and downloadable movies are a serious threat to the cinemaplexes that have carried Hollywood through the last decade or so. Plus, DVD's are a far friendlier medium for the independent film-makers. Yep, the Academy are still clutching onto a 1940's Hollywood ideal that no longer seems to reflect or indeed understand the changing nature of their industry.
Brokeback Mountain is the epitome of a small film which touches so many so profoundly. That's a concept Hollywood just doesn't get.
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If the academy didn't liike a movie about two gay cowboys they won't like my idea of two gay marines finding love on the battlefield. The movie would open up with two men leaving the ranch after getting drafted into the Marines.....irt would be a period piece.
I can picture John Wayne rollong over in his grave right now.
Actually BBM wasn't the first film about two gay cowboys. Think back to Dances With Wolves. I always had a suspicion that Lt. John Dunbar might have had a romp or two in the teepee with Wind-In-His-Hair. If you remember the last scene, he sure was sad to see Dunbar leave the tribe.
meandennis
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Bitter Old Queen, yup that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis. And to top it off...HIS FREAKIN Daughter (the wonderful Jamie Lee Curits) is JAKE GYLLENHAAL's God Mother!
i wrote this nasty letter to tony curtis that is his e mail address i got automated response
To: tonycurtis@tonycurtis.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:30 PM
Subject: are you drinking again or just stupid and ignorant i am 58 yr. old sober woman and
am ashamed of your horrible statements about a movie you never saw. you have the nerve, as a parent and a drunk who supposedly let a higher power in your life to judge and think you are above tolerance. you are disgusting and i hope that people are as intolerant of you and your legacy will be one of hoplessness, gay bashing ( i am 58 yr. old married woman) and an idiot who wouldn't even go see a movie before he judged it and opened his big fat old mouth to dis something he never saw. for goodness sake your daughter is jakes godmother, you pig.
karin dicker
los angeles
rot in hell no that is too good for you=burn in hell
Really not sure about this post!! BBM touched us in many different ways and for many different reasons, but, surely, one of the major points of the film was the tragic consequences of intolerance! I expected people to be upset by the Oscar results, but, overall, I've been impressed by peoples attitude to what happened - the film stands in its own right and no award can change the fact that it touches peoples lives. It's sad that someone on this site feels the need to be so vitriolic to another human being. Tolerance works both ways, even if you don't agree with another persons actions.
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I'm over it. Finally. I really felt like I was kicked in the stomach for a day but I have to move on. I think the culmination of it all was when Siskel and Roeper were on "The Tonight Show" yesterday. They said that they believed Crash to be a better movie and they liked the fact that the Academy acknowleged it.
After I threw several choice objects at the TV I realized that these critics were simply two of the many people that just didn't get it. They liked the movie with a simpler "in your face" plot that was easy to understand. They don't want to go to a movie to think. They want to be told what to think. All the loose ends have to be tied up with a big bow so they can leave the theatre without a question in their minds. That is the TV generation mentality -- a complete entertainment experience for the lazy. I'm not angry with them. I feel sorry for them. In their own way they have fallen into the same trap with the majority of North Americans. Over the years literature has been loosing its place in the American film industry. In its place, we've been subjected to rehashed television shows and pop culture icons. At least the smaller studios have been trying to keep the fire burning.
In the future I'm going to actively look much closer towards Europe for films much like I have looked to the United Kingdom and home grown Canadian talent for good television. There is a treasure trove of untapped films out there that I haven't seen. I'm giving subtitles a chance. After all, I thought Italy's Mediterraneo was the best movie the year it came out -- not just the best foreign film. I've given up on supporting Hollywood. It's been dying a slow death for years. I've known that but sentimentality and tradition have always brought me back to the theatre thinking that maybe I'll see something good. I've been disappointed more often than not. So, I can say goodbye to the hype and million dollar advertizement campaigns. I've been sucked in for the last time and I'm more than happy with this decision. If Hollywood produces something good, I may see it but I'm not going to be blindly led into the theatre like cattle to a slaughterhouse to be hacked to death with insultingly horrible plots. I just don't know why it took me so long. Oh yea, it was the last straw. Crash as Best Picture. Come on.
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I have been on an absolute downer for a few days. I just couldn't function. I thought it was the Oscar but it wasn't it was myself. After years of living closeted , I was finally happy with the way things were progressing. The discussions regarding BBM, here and at my workplace seemed to me to be totally positive. Well nothing changed except we didn't get a prize.
What happened with the Oscasr was a reality check for me...there are still many bigotted arseholes out there who somehow perceive people who are different in their life choices, to be a real threat to them. Then it hit me they are bloomin' scared of us!
This made me feel much better. I don't need the approval of homophobes to live my life, they certainly don't have my approval for the way they treat me. But you know it's fine.
They have their opinions too, and I'm not gonna join in downing them because they think differently to me. If we were all the same, the world would be the most boring place to live.
Let them say what they like....I know where to find decent , caring and wonderful people...and I'd rather be with my group than spend a minute in theirs.
This is a wonderful place to be. and don't you forget it. Go back and read some of the earlier posts and rediscover why we were drawn here in the beginning. Don't let these negative people take that from us.
With lots of love to all my mates here
Tom
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I have been on an absolute downer for a few days. I just couldn't function. I thought it was the Oscar but it wasn't it was myself. After years of living closeted , I was finally happy with the way things were progressing. The discussions regarding BBM, here and at my workplace seemed to me to be totally positive. Well nothing changed except we didn't get a prize.
What happened with the Oscasr was a reality check for me...there are still many bigotted arseholes out there who somehow perceive people who are different in their life choices, to be a real threat to them. Then it hit me they are bloomin' scared of us!
This made me feel much better. I don't need the approval of homophobes to live my life, they certainly don't have my approval for the way they treat me. But you know it's fine.
They have their opinions too, and I'm not gonna join in downing them because they think differently to me. If we were all the same, the world would be the most boring place to live.
Let them say what they like....I know where to find decent , caring and wonderful people...and I'd rather be with my group than spend a minute in theirs.
This is a wonderful place to be. and don't you forget it. Go back and read some of the earlier posts and rediscover why we were drawn here in the beginning. Don't let these negative people take that from us.
With lots of love to all my mates here
Tom
Thanks Tom,
You sure made me feel better.
meandennis
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Thanks Tom,
You sure made me feel better.
meandennis
Don't mention it meandennis, we were here before the Oscar debacle and we are here now. (https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fcomfort%2F2.gif&hash=b06a3cc7f4f5e8e353491745d27e31edd02112cd)
And it's very nice place to be .
Tom
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If you're feeling bad after that slap in the face Sunday night, try going over to the brokebackmountain.com website, and under SHARE YOUR STORY read there a few of the hundreds of accounts of how lives were changed. While it's true that our beloved Brokeback, and all the incredibly talented people who made it happen, were denied the recognition they deserved, time will have its way. The day after Lincoln's Gettysburg Address the Chicago Times observed, "The cheek of every American must tingle with shame as he reads the silly, flat and dishwatery utterances of the man who has to be pointed out to intelligent foreigners as the President of the United States." And yet, in time, he found his rightful place "in the hearts of the people for whom he saved the Union." And so will Brokeback Mountain find its place, much to the embarrassment of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
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You know i am over it now too (thank GOD I didn't see Ebert on Leno after, would hve been sick though)
Ah who cares, Citizen Kane didn't win much of anything.
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didn't a bunch of marines just get busted for doing porn on the internet. and what do 19 year old boys do away from their girlfriends, etc. in Iraq for a year?? 19 yr and 20 yr. old kids with raging hormones. i have wondered that for a long time. i am an old woman-but that is not a natural situation for guys at their peak of horniness-so what do they do? an interesting question.
Karind1, in answer to your question, it is an unspoken truth that men are men and will do what men do even under the most adverse situations. I can not speak for Korea, or Viet Nam or now Iraq and Afghanistan but at one time I had substantial material indicating what men, especially in the Pacific theater were up to during WWII. I am certainly not implying that all were participating or that many of those that were were doing it for any other reason than expediency. I'm sure that in most cases these men went home married and nothing more was allowed to be thought of it. It is probably the greatest male taboo and yet the one that is most prevalent under certain circumstances. Think of the early pioneers, frontiersmen, explorers. Are we to believe that they were either celibate or all found Indian women. I think not. Were they gay. I think not. Like Ennis and Jack, a moment might have hit them. A "one shot deal for most", something else for others. Why would there be a history of intense homophobia in this country if there was not also a history of homosexual activity coupled with intense regret and I'm sure shame by those who lusted and then moved on? Homophobia is founded on fear and I'm sure the makers and shakers this country feared exposure of their own actions. I am sure Larry McMurtry and other western writers are acutely aware of this situation. He stated that he realized after Annie's story it had been staring him in the face for 50 years. Hope that helped answer you question.
Thanks for the kind words about my rant from last night, I appreciate them very much.
You go girl with that email to Curtis! The guy deserves to be flogged or worse for his behavior.
Cyber hug. :-*
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Today, I checked the net for critic's comments - I would say at least 80% against the Academy for the Crash debacle. Then I watched the video of the show ........ And my impression? ....... The Academy is running scared!!!
These Oscars were all about "Commercial Imperative" - How many times did we hear someone say ( to paraphrase ) " Go see a movie at a cinema with a big screen & surround sound"
Hollywood is facing declining cinema takings, the emergence of high quality independent films ( BBM !!!!! yeah!!), the growth of powerful filmmakers not constrained to follow the "Hollywood" model.
And last night they showed this - they awarded 'everyone' but truthfully no-one "won" and the world knows it!!
March 5th 2006 - The Night the Oscar's Died.
John
New Zealand
This is very touching and so true , thank you for briging such awakening to reality
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Hi everyone
This's my first post here, everything I wanted to say I've already read (I found this site just today and was reading it the whole day)
I do not say I was surprised that Academy denied BBM, it's on their style. In 1994 I was shoked when The Shawshenk Repemption missed Oscar as the best picture. Now, I grew up and understand that everything has happend as it had to be.
BBM opened me new horizonts of thinking about what this world is. About how we should behave whith those who we love and how important love is.
Thanks a lot for this, Ang Lee, Annie Proulx, and the whole crew. It was amazing. It was charmful
PS I haven't seen "Capote", but for my point of view, Heath is the best actor of this year. 3 different films (Grimm, Casanova and BBM) - 3 different characters with brilliant perfomance. I sure, he will get Oscar soon)
PPS Guys, thanks for this amazing forum. As I said, I was reading it the whole day and so happy that you ARE, that in this world still exist sensitive and thoughtful humans
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Hi Damon, thanks for your lovely comments.
This site is only as good as it's members :) :)
Please stick around and help make it even better.
Tom (https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cowboy.com%2Fechat45%2Fcowboy_smoke.gif&hash=1f12c39deda7c300d81cd4f935636fae25603aa6)
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Well today i have heard all sorts.People on U.S radio saying it was a fix.Academy panel voters saying they never even BOTHERED to watch the screener and i was told Ang walked out when he heard 'Crash' announced as winnner of best picture?
I can't verify all of this.Could be just the rumour mill at work.But the radio station is true!
Jennis.x
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Just remembered something else.On the news (U..K) they said China state TV didn't show part of Ang's speech where he thanks China,Tawain and Hong Kong.They also cut Ang Lee's word of thanks to the two gay cowboys in his film Brokeback Mountain.I have written it,like they said it.These are not my words.I hate labelling .
Jennis.x
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Wasn't Tony Curtis in a Roman period movie with homo-erotic undertones? I think he had to live down a lot of grief for it, the lady did protest too much.
Yeah he was. Rent the film, "The Celluloid Closet" and in it he explains the scene he did with Lawrence Olivier.
I doubt that Jamie Lee Curtis (Tony's daughter) agrees with her father about BBM.
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Heath is the best actor of this year. 3 different films (Grimm, Casanova and BBM) - 3 different characters with brilliant perfomance. I sure, he will get Oscar soon)
PPS Guys, thanks for this amazing forum. As I said, I was reading it the whole day and so happy that you ARE, that in this world still exist sensitive and thoughtful humans
Welcome Damon. Heath had an amazing year and you are right, 3 different characters and 3 brilliant performances.
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The country sucks!!! let's leave from it.
Welcome to Canada! ;) We have (good) beer and snow...
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Bitter Old Queen, yup that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis. And to top it off...HIS FREAKIN Daughter (the wonderful Jamie Lee Curits) is JAKE GYLLENHAAL's God Mother!
Yes, that pretty much sums up Tony Curtis - Heaven knows he has led such an exemplary life......... ::) It's too bad that someone like him feels the need to put his two cents in, only to have that two cents be so stupid and uninformed. Not one of Jamie Lee's prouder moments as a daughter, I assume (and I assume she has many embarrassing moments to choose from) ;D
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Well today i have heard all sorts.People on U.S radio saying it was a fix.Academy panel voters saying they never even BOTHERED to watch the screener and i was told Ang walked out when he heard 'Crash' announced as winnner of best picture?
I believe it Jennis.
The "Crash" folks are saying that the reason they won was just good marketing - they mailed out screeners to SAG members before the SAG awards which guaranteed Crash the Best Ensemble award. Truth is Crash was already in DVD form before the SAG awards, while BBM was still playing in theatres. And if Academy members wouldn't even view the BBM screeners before voting, it's doubtful the SAG members would have viewed them before the SAG awards.
Many people expecially straight men are uncomfortable with homosexuality so they use humor to get around talking about the subject. Guys sugar coat subjects with humor all the time (like they did with the BBM parodies at the Awards ceremony) to get around that elephant in the room. If the subject was race would they have joked about it - or religion? I didn't see any parodies of Crash on the Oscar show or Munich etc.
I think the outrage has taken the Academy by surprise and I hope they make some changes. But BBMs year is gone.
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I am going to Chinatown in NYC to buy an illegal copy of Crash and see how the movie won the award will make any sense to me. This will be the only time in my life to support China.
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I am going to Chinatown in NYC to buy an illegal copy of Crash and see how the movie won the award will make any sense to me. This will be the only time in my life to support China.
OMG! I spilled water on my keyboard! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
Must see. Thank you, karind for posting this. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
Must see. Thank you, karind for posting this. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
you are so welcome- i can't double post so i posted this thread in music videos and told them to go to reply 177 and bring kleenex=but since you are the man and if you wanted to post it in music videos that would be cool. i watched it already 3 times it is so must see btw ethan a person 21 yrs. old made it-how talented and classy. i clicked on his name. wow am i impressed-
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
No SOB for me Karin but a wide smile of gratitude for posting this.
Hugs! :-*
Shoulder maybe?
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
No SOB for me Karin but a wide smile of gratitude for posting this.
Hugs! :-*
Shoulder maybe?
anything from you anything.... :-*
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you are so welcome- i can't double post so i posted this thread in music videos and told them to go to reply 177 and bring kleenex=but since you are the man and if you wanted to post it in music videos that would be cool. i watched it already 3 times it is so must see btw ethan a person 21 yrs. old made it-how talented and classy. i clicked on his name. wow am i impressed-
I posted in the news box above. Thanks again.
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
No SOB for me Karin but a wide smile of gratitude for posting this.
Hugs! :-*
Shoulder maybe?
anything from you anything.... :-*
Don't make me blush Ladie ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
Thanks Karin, that is beautiful. :'(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
Karin, Thank you so much for sharing that with us. You are a sweetheart!!!! And i found myself in tears again. that was such a classy classy video you 've shared with us.
*hugs* drew
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The Backlash Against the Brokeback Mountain Backlash
by Michael Jensen, March 8, 2006
Author Stephen King says he knew Brokeback Mountain wasn't going to win the Academy Award for Best Picture.
“Brokeback is about enduring love and fierce sexual attraction between two men,” he writes in his latest Entertainment Weekly column. “The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, at bottom as conservative as the current U.S. House of Representatives, gave Ang Lee one Oscar (which surprised me), the writing team of McMurtry and Diana Ossana another...and with those bones thrown, felt free to move on.”
King is hardly the only one to express the idea that the movie industry isn't nearly as tolerant as it claims, or as its right-wing critics insist. Call it the backlash against the backlash, but by naming Crash as the upset winner of the Best Picture award, many critics are suggesting that Hollywood has committed its biggest blunder in years, or perhaps ever.
Over at MSNBC.com, the headline on their latest Oscar article reads, “Crash and Burn:
The Academy takes yet another step toward irrelevance with its latest pick.”
Ouch!
A Google search turns up dozens of similar articles, all wondering how a movie like Crash with so many mediocre reviews, a middling box-office take, and a paucity of awards could have won Best Picture, especially over Brokeback Mountain, which, Academy Awards aside, may very well be the most honored film of all time.
Other articles point out how laughable the idea is that Hollywood has ever had a pro-gay agenda.
“Gay actors can't even come out of the closet,” says Gene Stone at YahooNews. “Gay executives and agents stay in the closet. There isn't a more closeted business in the country, except, perhaps, the National Football League.”
Hollywood's self-congratulatory claim of tolerance is now being challenged more than ever before. During Sunday's awards ceremony, George Clooney lauded the Academy for having long been “out of touch” with mainstream American on issues of social justice. But in fact, Hollywood often produces and honors social justice films long after society itself has resolved the issue in question.
Mainstream Hollywood didn't address AIDS in film until Philadelphia, in 1993, ten years into the epidemic when much AIDS-phobia had subsided. Gandhi won Best Picture in 1982, after Gandhi himself had been dead for more than thirty years. Schindler's List won nearly fifty years after the Holocaust. The Hollywood establishment is often “progressive” only after it's very safe to be.
There are, of course, individuals in Hollywood who are very progressive on current social issues. Clooney is one, as are other conservative whipping boys such as Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn, Barbra Streisand, and others. But such individual progressives exist in any industry.
Brokeback Mountain's loss to Crash, a movie about racial intolerance, only serves to underscore the point that, when it comes to current hot-button issues, Hollywood often gets cold feet. After all, which issue most divides the country right now: civil rights for racial minorities, or civil rights for gays? There are, of course, no states that are currently trying to ban inter-racial marriage, inter-racial adoption, or to remove racial minorities from anti-discrimination protection. Yet all of those battles are currently being waged against gays and lesbians all across the country.
WHAT COMES NEXT
Some Brokeback Mountain fans aren't taking the Best Picture loss lying down. Since the shock of Sunday night, the anger and indignation has been palpable. (Meanwhile, folks were celebrating the defeat over at the right wing website, Freerepublic.com.)
Here are just a few of the quotes from the live Oscar thread over at Dave Cullen's Ultimate Brokeback:
“To quote an Oscar-winning actor, I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this any more.”
“Turns out homophobia is a force of nature.”
“You need to burn with a cold, hard, intense rage. And you need to take that rage to the homophobes wherever they hide. Remember: we bash back.”
In fact, the folks at Dave Cullen's site are even taking an ad out in a newspaper or trade publication, most likely Variety.
At first, there was talk of making the ad a rebuke to Hollywood, especially those straight white, older men (like Tony Curtis, who reportedly couldn't even be bothered to see the movie). But cooler heads prevailed, and the ad is now much more likely to be civilized in tone, thanking all of those involved, as well as listing all of the awards Brokeback has won.
This is shrewd because it not only let's the gay community look reasonable, but still subtly points out that Crash in no way compared to Brokeback Mountain's stature. Brokeback fans have already donated $8,000 toward the cost of the ad.
THE FUTURE OF HOLLYWOOD?
In the end, Hollywood has pleased few, save those who actually loved Crash. Conservative America is unlikely to stop blasting television shows they find offensive, or complaining about the sex and violence in movies showing at their local cineplexes. Hollywood would have to do far more than distance themselves from gays and lesbians to satisfy the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Indeed, the religious right needs Hollywood to keep their base angry, activated, and donating cash.
Hollywood may have hoped to avoid controversy by choosing Crash over Brokeback Mountain. More than once during the Oscar telecast mention was made of Hollywood's declining box-office revenue. By distancing themselves from Brokeback's gay themes, the voters may have thought to spare themselves further decline in ticket sales, as well as attacks on their supposed moral “agenda”.
But in trying to appease right-wing critics, Hollywood has just alienated another key group of movie-goers: gays and their supporters, who, incidentally, have often defended Hollywood against right-wing criticism. More than one person posting during Dave Cullen's live Oscar thread expressed the sentiment that it would be a cold day in hell before they paid nine dollars to see another movie.
In other words, by trying to prevent some feared outcome, Hollywood may have just made their problems worse. It's such a predictable ending that filmmakers, such practiced storytellers, should surely have seen it coming.
National gay groups have been measured in their response to the Academy Awards, declining to accuse anyone of homophobia. Neil Giuliano of GLAAD said both Brokeback Mountain and Crash were worthy contenders and deserved credit for addressing intolerance. But the reservoir of goodwill is clearly running dry.
Indeed, by snubbing Brokeback Mountain for Best Picture, the Academy has hung a dead albatross around their necks that will stink for decades to come. When people talk about Oscar injustices, such as Chariots of Fire win over Reds, or Rocky's over Network, Taxi Driver, and All the President's Men, there will now be a new gold standard of Oscar absurdity: Crash's win over Brokeback. No other Oscar upset has involved breaking as many precedents or ignoring criteria long valued by the Academy in choosing their Best Picture.
Hollywood insiders have long claimed that while much of what they produce is mindless schlock created solely to make a buck, the Oscars prove that Hollywood has a soul, and that it can, therefore, make and reward relevant art. But Sunday night that bright image flickered and burned. From now on, Hollywood must live with the notion that it is at best cowardly and at worst homophobic.
Can they redeem themselves in the end? It's another perfect Hollywood ending, of course. Alas, it's one that has yet to be written.
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
Thanks Karind1,
I thought I was over this and here I am crying again.
meandennis
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Well BBM won 3 out of 8...can't be that bad?
BBM won best adapted screenplay and best director with 3 actors nominated? How the hell DIDN'T they get best movie? Its like a given...
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Crash was a good movie but not a great one. I guess they threw out Brokeback and looked around for 2nd best. No way did Crash deserve the Oscar for best picture.
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Well BBM won 3 out of 8...can't be that bad?
BBM won best adapted screenplay and best director with 3 actors nominated? How the hell DIDN'T they get best movie? Its like a given...
BBM got robbed, that's all! Now the Academy voters get it up their ignorant *sses. Most of the press review since sunday is just against the Academy. I am among the ones that is not about to spend money in a theater for some Hollywood production.
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When I saw the level of anticipation building up here, especially during the past 48 hours, I deliberately stayed away because years of experience have taught me not to count on the Academy to do the right thing. And, while the awards BBM did win are deserved and appreciated, I can't help but be disappointed by missing out on Best Picture, because I strongly believe it clearly was. And I still think Heath Ledger's performance was not just the best of the year, but of the decade; one of those standout performances that come along but rarely and stay with you for a lifetime. The level of disappointment is remeniscent of-though not nearly equal to-waking up November 3, 2004 and finding out the W had been re-elected. I still can't get over that one.
But it is important to remember that this is a film that no one in Hollywood would make for 7 years, and no one had very high expectations for until recently. In that light, it has been a remarkable success and an important cultural milestone. And it-along with Ethan, who deserves his very own Oscar IMHO-has brought together this wonderful group of people whom I would never have met without it, it has changed my life for the better-more on that later-and I am quite confident it will be remembered years from now as an example of what filmmaking is capable of at its best and most eloquent. So Bravo and despair not brothers and sisters. We have lost a battle, but made great strides toward ultimately winning the war, and no mere academy can ever take away all that these people and this film have given us!!
Peace!!
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very well said!
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I just had an eye on the Annie Proulx Forum... there are some desapointed friends there too...
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Thanks for a great post palladin. That was a terrific article, insightful and well written.
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I admire your level-headiness and composure inspite of the temporary setback like this. It has not been easy for me these few days. I wish I could be strong like you. I am grieving. From the time I saw the movie, Brokeback Mountain, I was totally consumed by it. I spent virtually all my waking hours looking for internet links and resources about reviews, interviews, on-line fora, even watching late talk shows (which I don't usually watch) hoping to see or hear anything about the movie and the people behind it. I read the book and screenplay over and over again and everything seemed fresh everytime. The story has touched me in more ways than none has ever done before. BBM is not just another story, it is OUR story, only Jack and Ennis gave it a face. I'm sure you understand how devastated I was and most of us were when the Academy denied the film the honor and recognition it rightfully deserves. You were absolutely right when you said that experience has taught you not to count on the Academy to do the right thing. Who do they think they are? The self-appointed moral conscience of society? Los Angeles Times critic Kenneth Turan saw "Brokeback's" failure as a sign that Hollywood was not ready to grant the topic of homosexual love mainstream respectability. The world knows and the Academy knows as well as the "enlightened intellectuals" that homosexual relationship is not simply "holding hands in the park". Sexual intimacy is an expression of love in a loving relationship, whether it's between man and woman, between men or between women. They know better than that! They chose "Crash" over "Brokeback" because it was a safe harbor so they can look themselves in the mirror and feel like they were good productive liberals. Moral hypocrites! Brokeback has no political agenda and it does not need one. Nevertheless, I am consoled in the thought that WE are in this cause together. We have scaled the heights of Brokeback Mountain and there's no turning back. Thanks for your time and warmest regards.
When I saw the level of anticipation building up here, especially during the past 48 hours, I deliberately stayed away because years of experience have taught me not to count on the Academy to do the right thing. And, while the awards BBM did win are deserved and appreciated, I can't help but be disappointed by missing out on Best Picture, because I strongly believe it clearly was. And I still think Heath Ledger's performance was not just the best of the year, but of the decade; one of those standout performances that come along but rarely and stay with you for a lifetime. The level of disappointment is remeniscent of-though not nearly equal to-waking up November 3, 2004 and finding out the W had been re-elected. I still can't get over that one.
But it is important to remember that this is a film that no one in Hollywood would make for 7 years, and no one had very high expectations for until recently. In that light, it has been a remarkable success and an important cultural milestone. And it-along with Ethan, who deserves his very own Oscar IMHO-has brought together this wonderful group of people whom I would never have met without it, it has changed my life for the better-more on that later-and I am quite confident it will be remembered years from now as an example of what filmmaking is capable of at its best and most eloquent. So Bravo and despair not brothers and sisters. We have lost a battle, but made great strides toward ultimately winning the war, and no mere academy can ever take away all that these people and this film have given us!!
Peace!!
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I just read a story from the Associated Press regarding the latest "hit" to be released on Friday from Hollywood. The headline reads"Terry Bradshaw Bares All". The movie is "Failure to Launch", about a 35 year old man (Matthew McConaughey) who still lives at home with his parents (Kathy Bates and Bradshaw). They hire a young women (Sarah Jessica Parker) to help them get him out of the house and she apparantly falls in love with him in the process. Terry Bradshaw, the 57 year old ex-quarterback, has a scene where he drops his shorts completely baring his backside. That must be a sight! I can see all the 12 to 17 year old school girls flocking to the theaters this weekend to get a glimpse of McConoughy walking around in a towel. Sounds like a real winner from Hollywood, doesn't it? Real Oscar material hey Jack F@cking Twist? I will bet this has an impact on society for years to come. This is the kind of cr@p Hollywood produces and wants us to see. I hope we all remember our promise to boycott this Hollywood studio trash!
meandennis
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I am grieving. From the time I saw the movie, Brokeback Mountain, I was totally consumed by it.
Hello samuel, welcome to this forum and thanks for sharing your thought. You will find a lot of members sharing and supporting each other. It is upsetting that BBM was snobbed but the achievement of BBM and the love between Ennis and Jack live forever.
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
karnid - thank you SO MUCH for posting this! It is lovely....I hope that everyone involved with this film has the opportunity to see this beautiful tribute.
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Don't you find it strange Clint Eastwood was not attending the ceremony yesterday? Normally he should have been the one to present the Best Director Award. He was not looking very happy at the Golden Globes when had to present his award to Ang.
There are some people in the film industry I would like to correspond with, just to know what they think of this situation...
Interesting point Chameau,
It is a well known fact that Eastwood is a card=carrying member of the Republican party. I was thinking how defferent the vote whould have been if the film industry was centered in New York City rather than LA. We are much more in-tuned with the real world here in the East and New Yorkers are much more liberal and tolerant of each other. That is why film people like Robert DiNiro, Martin Scorscese, Ang Lee, Hillary Swank, and our own Heath & Michelle choose to live here. They do not want to be a part of the Hollywood bullshit that we see take place every year when they hold their official atta-boy extravaganza. This was a dismal year for the big Hollywood studios and they are bitter over the failures of their big-budget crap they produce and the successes of the independent films. BBM also hit them between the eyes, bringing to light their many prejudices and insecurities. The vote for Crash was a shot at redemption, too little too late.
Meandennis, I don't think the problem is with Hollywood being in LA instead of New York. Studios are still owned by Big Business and many of them are headquartered in New York City. Focus Features the producer of BBM is owned by NBC Universal and NBC Universial is owned by General Electric Co. GE is a very conservative company. Fox Studios and Network are owned by Newscorp. Newscorp is owned by Rupert Murdock who is on the far right politically. Disney is not a liberal bastion but it is progressive. Location doesn't change the fact that the money to produce many movies comes from very conservative sources. That is one of the reasons no one would touch BBM for years it was too controversial and it scared away the money. And it scared away actors.
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SOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_eI79fKTZI
OMG! This is amazing. Thanks so much, Karin.
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It is our responsibility to keep this movie alive forever. Buy the DVD, talk about it to friends, quote from it, and refer to it whenever you can. [/b]
I think that's the least that we can do for a film that has done so much for us!
I have talked so much about BBM to one of my (supposed) best friends, that she finally send me message " Go to the doctor!". I didn´t - instead I came here! Some people are pretending to be so tolerant but when they really figure out that their friend really is gay-lesbian-bi-or-whatever, and that BBM means more than being just a movie, well, strange reactions can happen. And actually I didn´t even talk so enormously much, because I knew she supported Crash.
I watched the whole Oscar-gala, and here in Europe it was night then. In the morning I called to my job and said I got a flu and took free. Of course I was disappointed on behalf of Jake and Heath and Michelle, but they are all young actors and will surely have their great moments in the future. I think this homophobia is more American problem than European, although we have our share of it. Northern countries are rather liberal.
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It is our responsibility to keep this movie alive forever. Buy the DVD, talk about it to friends, quote from it, and refer to it whenever you can. [/b]
I think that's the least that we can do for a film that has done so much for us!
I have talked so much about BBM to one of my (supposed) best friends, that she finally send me message " Go to the doctor!". I didn´t - instead I came here! Some people are pretending to be so tolerant but when they really figure out that their friend really is gay-lesbian-bi-or-whatever, and that BBM means more than being just a movie, well, strange reactions can happen. And actually I didn´t even talk so enormously much, because I knew she supported Crash.
I watched the whole Oscar-gala, and here in Europe it was night then. In the morning I called to my job and said I got a flu and took free. Of course I was disappointed on behalf of Jake and Heath and Michelle, but they are all young actors and will surely have their great moments in the future. I think this homophobia is more American problem than European, although we have our share of it. Northern countries are rather liberal.
Thanks.
If 'friends' ask you about your 'obsession', tell them what I say: How many times would you go to the theatre/opera to hear the same musical/work over and over again? How many times do you go back to a museum to see a favorite painting again and again? In short: how many times would you go to a place where you can see a favorite work of art?
People who live with no passion live as if dead.
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People who live with no passion live as if dead.
Thanks! :)
I love to send hugs and kisses to you everyone in this forum!
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There is a reason that Shakespeare plays, Bach and Mozart's music, Dickens books, and Citizen Kane have remained in the collective consciousness--great art has undeniable impact on many diverse people. Those affected by a great work of art take it with them and share it with those around them and keep it for those that come after them. Brokeback Mountain (short story and movie) will remain long after we are gone.
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There is a reason that Shakespeare plays, Bach and Mozart's music, Dickens books, and Citizen Kane have remained in the collective consciousness--great art has undeniable impact on many diverse people. Those affected by a great work of art take it with them and share it with those around them and keep it for those that come after them. Brokeback Mountain (short story and movie) will remain long after we are gone.
With that thought, I know I will die a little happier.
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There is a reason that Shakespeare plays, Bach and Mozart's music, Dickens books, and Citizen Kane have remained in the collective consciousness--great art has undeniable impact on many diverse people. Those affected by a great work of art take it with them and share it with those around them and keep it for those that come after them. Brokeback Mountain (short story and movie) will remain long after we are gone.
This puts my feelings into perspective. I'm not crazy, just completely taken by 2 of the greatest works of art I have ever been privileged to encounter.
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Thanks.
If 'friends' ask you about your 'obsession', tell them what I say: How many times would you go to the theatre/opera to hear the same musical/work over and over again? How many times do you go back to a museum to see a favorite painting again and again? In short: how many times would you go to a place where you can see a favorite work of art?
People who live with no passion live as if dead.
BRAVO.
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Repitition of viewing is not something as weird as we think, look at children, they want the same favorite book over and over again.
Yes, great art can't be heard too much.
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I was hoping that BBM would win the Oscar for best picture, but I knew that most of the voters for the acadamy are homophobic so I was not surprised when a trash movie won the Oscar. It is important to remember that being nominated is very important you can't over look that. The nomination elevates the movie to a higher plateau. My question is if the movie won for best director, how could it not be the best picture. But this was strickly a controlled vote that is, what Bush wants Bush gets.
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I think L.D. Newsome, Joe Aguirre, Jack's father and Ennis' father are all voting members of the Academy.
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I think L.D. Newsome, Joe Aguirre, Jack's father and Ennis' father are all voting members of the Academy.
Ha ha...ha ha ha. Good. Good one. Dead on, too. That's a line I wish the crusty (stuffy, out-of-touch, maybe deaf and dumb) members of the Academy could read!
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I was hoping that BBM would win the Oscar for best picture, but I knew that most of the voters for the acadamy are homophobic so I was not surprised when a trash movie won the Oscar. It is important to remember that being nominated is very important you can't over look that. The nomination elevates the movie to a higher plateau. My question is if the movie won for best director, how could it not be the best picture. But this was strickly a controlled vote that is, what Bush wants Bush gets.
Gotta say it. If BBM had won, I do not think there would have been so much post-Oscar talk about the film. The snub has galvanized, awakened, and motivated people to see, identify and confront homophobia in this country.
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I was hoping that BBM would win the Oscar for best picture, but I knew that most of the voters for the acadamy are homophobic so I was not surprised when a trash movie won the Oscar. It is important to remember that being nominated is very important you can't over look that. The nomination elevates the movie to a higher plateau. My question is if the movie won for best director, how could it not be the best picture. But this was strickly a controlled vote that is, what Bush wants Bush gets.
Gotta say it. If BBM had won, I do not think there would have been so much post-Oscar talk about the film. The snub has galvanized, awakened, and motivated people to see, identify and confront homophobia in this country.
You're probably right there, friend. And yes: Jack Nasty for president. (Fictional or not, at least he's got heart!)
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I think L.D. Newsome, Joe Aguirre, Jack's father and Ennis' father are all voting members of the Academy.
Ha ha...ha ha ha. Good. Good one. Dead on, too. That's a line I wish the crusty (stuffy, out-of-touch, maybe deaf and dumb) members of the Academy could read!
Boots,
Thank you for your support. I think that, L. D., Joe and the boy's fathers will never change. Change for us will come only when the dinosaurs are finaly extinct. I hope to live to see that day.
be well in this life and the next.
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I was pretty disappointed that BBM didnt win Best Picture, and that Heath, Jake, and Michelle didnt win their awards either. I was yelling at the TV. :-X
I saw Crash earlier today, and I dont think it was an Oscar winning movie.
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I was pretty disappointed that BBM didnt win Best Picture, and that Heath, Jake, and Michelle didnt win their awards either. I was yelling at the TV. :-X
I saw Crash earlier today, and I dont think it was an Oscar winning movie.
Exactly. Crash was alright, but it just didn't seem Oscar worthy when I watched it.
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I just finished watching Capote. What were they thinking?????????? Heath Ledger was a thousand times better than Phillip Seymour (? don't even care to know his last name. Hell, Jake Gyllenhaal was a thousand times better. I had seen Crash also. There is just no comparison to BBM. Mad and disappointed once more. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I just finished watching Capote. What were they thinking?????????? Heath Ledger was a thousand times better than Phillip Seymour (? don't even care to know his last name. Hell, Jake Gyllenhaal was a thousand times better. I had seen Crash also. There is just no comparison to BBM. Mad and disappointed once more. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Sorry to hear your disappointment. Many feel the same way. History will do justice. Crash or PSH will be forgotten soon but BBM will be forever. It will be the movie that we keep seeing again and again.
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I just finished watching Capote. What were they thinking?????????? Heath Ledger was a thousand times better than Phillip Seymour (? don't even care to know his last name. Hell, Jake Gyllenhaal was a thousand times better. I had seen Crash also. There is just no comparison to BBM. Mad and disappointed once more. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I tried to watch Capote the other day. I couldn't do it, wich upset me, because peolel had told me that it was good. You need complete silence and good speakers to understand a word coming out of that man's mouth. Unfortunately I had neither, so after struggling for twenty minutes I gave up. He seemed pretty good to me, but not as good as Heath was.
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He just did not evoke any sympathy in me. I didn't FEEL his despair. Ennis was so very multifaceted. I found Truman very one dimensional. I just didn't like him.
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He just did not evoke any sympathy in me. I didn't FEEL his despair. Ennis was so very multifaceted. I found Truman very one dimensional. I just didn't like him.
I do not think we were meant to feel his despair. I felt that weepy scene, toward the end with the killers before they were hanged, seemed out of place with the rest of the film. I am not drawn back to Capote. I may be one day. I know it was a bust in theaters, but I wonder how it fairs on DVD.
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I didn't like the fact that he continually lied to Perry about his book and later about trying to save him. When he cries at their last meeting, I kept waiting for him to touch him. And I thought it was kind of odd that perry didn't acknowledge Capote before he was hung.
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I didn't like the fact that he continually lied to Perry about his book and later about trying to save him. When he cries at their last meeting, I kept waiting for him to touch him. And I thought it was kind of odd that perry didn't acknowledge Capote before he was hung.
I wonder if the last meeting really happened or was created for the film.
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I don't know. We can see he went reluctantly at best.
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I do not think we were meant to feel his despair.
That's what I got from the little bit that I was able to watch. I wouldn't buy it ro anything. People just told me that it was definately worth a watch.
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I'm sure the old losers, Trash and its voters, deserve each other. I pity the voting movie experts a bit as surely nobody in their right mind would choose Trash as best picture / no, not over BBM, just generally (+ imagine BBM being voted by the same non-discerning ppl thinking the average Trash worthy of best pic, lol). Frankly, I don't want to take that close a look at that sick relationship between Trash and its voters - it was enough of a yuck! moment having to deal with it peripherally when watching half an hour of the Oscar night :D. Soon enough the trash will be returned to its dusty shelf and forgotten - while the romantic, subtle and precious BBM never will, it will be talked about for many years to come, probably with new people doing the discussion and certainly with new conclusions to be reached.
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i cant believe bbm didnt win evry thing i should have im gunna like urrrrggggggggggggg i just wanna ^^)somebuddy up
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Kinda off topic but just in case you guys didn't know...
For the past 79 years, the Oscars have always issued an official / collectable poster for their upcoming ceremony a few months in advance. The posters are always beautifully designed and unique.
This year they designed a poster with an Oscar in the middle surrounded by quotes from classic movies. But here’s the catch…they tended to only picked one movie to quote per year. In other words, SCHINDLER’S LIST was the only movie quoted from 1993. Anyway… guess what film they picked to quote from 2005…
BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN: “I wish I knew how to quiet you”
Other classic quotes surrounding it are ones from;
GONE WITH THE WIND
CASABLANCA
CITIZEN KANE
THE LORD OF THE RINGS
E.T.
AMERICAN BEAUTY
THE WIZARD OF OZ
FROM HERE TO ETERNITY
WEST SIDE STORY
TITANIC
THE SOUND OF MUSIC
THE GODFATHER
…it’s all rather telling if you ask me.
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"and the real winner is"................................... O0
Can anyone quote one single line from Crash.........................I thought not.
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Better late than never!
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Better never, if you ask me. They did the wrong thing, we know they did, they know we know they did, but much more important the rest of the movie-going public knows they were wrong. Their judgements, if you can call them that, won;t be taken as seriously in future - the only people they harmed in the end were the members of the Academy. Couldn't hurt the people who made the movie, couldn't hurt us, couldn't take anything away from BBM because what it had wasn't theirs to give or take.
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They picked this quote!!!!!!!!!!!! to quote Jack Wooooooohoooooooooooooooo!!!
Better never, if you ask me. They did the wrong thing, we know they did, they know we know they did,
and we know they know we know they did!!!
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Maybe it's their way of saying "sorry" for their dumb ass mistake, but the damage has been done. Still, atleast we get to have our Jack's quote imortalized by one group. No doubt, BBM will be a clasic one day. To me, it rank high among those clasic listed.
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I was just surfing today and came up with this unbelievable--to me--information, which is proof that the members of the Academy have always had a screw loose. In the year that "Rocky" won for Best Picture, the competition was:
Taxi Driver
All the President's Men
Network
Bound for Glory (Woody Guthrie biopic)
OMG, are these people completely insane or incompetent or what?!? I mean, "Rocky" over "Taxi Driver"?! Maybe "Brokeback" should be proud it wasn't chosen Best Pic.
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Well, BBM will be remembered as much as Taxi Driver is remembered. That's a comfort.
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Well, BBM will be remembered as much as Taxi Driver is remembered. That's a comfort.
That's a very good point
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I don't know if this has been covered, but may I ask, do we know, or will we ever get to know the voting-margin by which 'Crash' won the best picture award over BBM..? I would find it very useful, even if we could have just an indication of that..
Anyone knows/has read anything..?
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I don't know if this has been covered, but may I ask, do we know, or will we ever get to know the voting-margin by which 'Crash' won the best picture award over BBM..? I would find it very useful, even if we could have just an indication of that..
Anyone knows/has read anything..?
Forget it, this is top secret material... I don't really care. We all know what the best movie was and which movie will be remembered ^-^
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Forget it, this is top secret material... I don't really care. We all know what the best movie was and which movie will be remembered ^-^
Yes, Cham is right,definitively..."Crash" didn't hit people as did our beloved movie
and it's the most interesting thing about this I retain O0
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I expect a very low-rated show next Sunday night---even with Ellen there. Except the Departed, none of the best picture nominees has made any money. None of them have BBM magic. Eastwood's Letters has generated less than 9.9 million. But, he may win. He's the easy, well-liked, comfortable choice. I am watching my Brokeback HD DVD Feb 25th. Then its only a few days to Zodiac!
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What's going on? Is there an awards ceremony coming up soon? Who gives a rat's? I aint watching it this year!
Remember last year...for weeks we were all excited, this year I just can't be bothered.
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What's going on? Is there an awards ceremony coming up soon? Who gives a rat's? I aint watching it this year!
Remember last year...for weeks we were all excited, this year I just can't be bothered.
I won't be watching either.
I think their ploy of choosing Ellen to host and entice gay people to watch is pathetic!
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Academy Awards?? I'm sorry but WHO CARES!!! >:(
I'm not ready to make nice
I'm not ready to back down
Still mad as hell....
The Dixie Chicks
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They're a dead cause for me...
They're dead for good... The Departed best movie last year? It's not even Martin's Scorcese best movie and he should have been awarded ages before. ::)
I plan another BBM watch for next next years Oscar's, who's in?
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I plan another BBM watch for next next years Oscar's, who's in?
Works for me ;)
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a little bit out of time... but what amazes me most is that still people talk about BBM, discuss issues, even the oscars ... i thought i posted this..
from today's afterelton.com..
you can ask a question concering anything remotely artistic (films, books, TV etc..) and the "monkey" searches for answers or gives his opinion..
so here we go today:
by Brent Hartinger
October 21, 2008
Q: I wanted to discuss the controversy surrounding Brokeback Mountain not being named Best Picture at the Oscars for 2005. I have to say that Crash involved me more than Brokeback did. I know Roger Ebert thought Crash won because it truly was the best film of the year, and that it was made inside the Hollywood system (while Brokeback was filmed in Canada). Does the support of Brokeback come from the fact that everyone TRULY believed it was the best film of 2005, or because it was a film that showed gay men in a positive light? If it’s the latter, why didn’t everyone also show the same enthusiasm/support at the box office for Capote? -- Keith, Arlington, VA
A:
Well!
Yes, in the Monkey’s personal opinion, Brokeback Mountain truly was the best film of the year (though it didn’t necessarily show gay men in an entirely positive light since both characters were cheating on their wives). Crash seemed to the Monkey to be a fine, but completely unremarkable movie.
Brokeback's Heath Ledger & Jake Gyllenhaal (left); PICTURES
Crash's Thandie Newton & Matt Dillon
But you’re right: Roger Ebert definitely preferred Crash to Brokeback Mountain. He campaigned relentlessly for Crash to win the Oscar, and when it did, he championed it in AfterElton.com’s post-Oscar interview with him. It sounds like you liked Crash better too. That is absolutely your, and Roger Ebert’s, right. But it also isn’t the point.
Brokeback Mountain was the undisputed front-runner for the Best Picture award. All of the usual indicators suggested a virtual Oscar lock. Under many formulations, it is the most honored movie in film history. None of this was remotely true for Capote (or Crash, for that matter, which was usually not even nominated for most of the other critical awards that Brokeback Mountain won). According to Premiere Magazine’s annual ranking, Brokeback Mountain was the best-reviewed movie of the year; Crash was the 36th best-reviewed movie of the year.
And yet Brokeback Mountain didn’t win the Oscar. Why not? Was it because the Academy voters just didn’t like it as much as Crash, or because it was filmed in Canada? It’s one possible explanation. But keep in mind the context: Brokeback was an enormously controversial movie, subject to six months of tasteless, boorish jokes from late-night comedians. Right-wing pundits waged a relentless, blistering campaign to try to paint the movie as evidence that Hollywood had a “radical homosexual” agenda.
Is it crazy to assume that this might have contributed to the biggest upset in Oscar history? We can’t ever know for sure, but it seems pretty likely to the Monkey.
Here’s the Monkey’s take: it probably wasn’t the case that Oscar voters were themselves homophobic (though some of them surely were; many were on record as saying they wouldn’t even see the film). The Monkey thinks the issue was that Oscar voters, mostly Hollywood insiders, were scared that giving Brokeback Mountain the top award would reinforce the notion that the movie industry had a “liberal” agenda — and that that might affect their bottom line. [/color]
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Well of course I agree that BBM was and is the best movie. And anyone who voted for that other movie out of fear should be ashamed of themselves. Not everyone likes BBM, their loss, but I'd never sell out to save face. What's done is done and that other movie can have it's false victory because it's not as lasting and doesn't resonate as much- BBM has staying power and changed lives and that's worth more than any ill gotten statue.
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BBM has staying power and changed lives and that's worth more than any ill gotten statue
I could only agree on this!
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Here’s the Monkey’s take: it probably wasn’t the case that Oscar voters were themselves homophobic (though some of them surely were; many were on record as saying they wouldn’t even see the film).
This makes me so sad....How can you know what the best film is if you don't even watch the films? :-\\ :-\\ :-\\ **sigh** I think film Academies should have members who are artists, writers, professional cinema critics, and not only rich or famous or powerful people...you know....like the ones who said after the Oscars that they voted for Crash because they were friends with one of the actress who played in the film, and that they never saw BBM....
How people can be this ignorant?
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Well of course I agree that BBM was and is the best movie. And anyone who voted for that other movie out of fear should be ashamed of themselves. Not everyone likes BBM, their loss, but I'd never sell out to save face. What's done is done and that other movie can have it's false victory because it's not as lasting and doesn't resonate as much- BBM has staying power and changed lives and that's worth more than any ill gotten statue.
You're so right,Michelleˇ ^f^ Of course,the power of changing so many persons lives and still remaining as a classical of our time is what really matters.However,we must bear in mind that an Oscar is an adknowledge of a good work;for this reason,is really sad that such a masterpiece didn't win this adknowledge for being "politically incorrect".