Brokeback Mountain Forum @ ennisjack.com
The Movie & Story => Characters, Quotes & Scenes => Topic started by: karind1 on Feb 12, 2006, 11:58 PM
-
Some of my unanswered questions are?
1. Where did Jack and Ennis spend the first night after they finished the day before they were trucked up to the jump off? Ift doesn't say in the movie or the book. Could Ennis afford a motel? Was there a motel in that town? Where did they go all day and night?
2. Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback? How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long? And why didn't he ever tell him?
-
Here are my answers to your questions.
1. Well they did go to the Bar for beer, so maybe spent most of the day there and the night in Jack's truck, maybe? I'm pretty sure both couldn't afford a motel, unless of course Jack could then I'm sure he would have asked Ennis to stay with him. I think there must have been a motel, because in Riverton, after the reunion both end up in one. So if Riverton can have a motel then I believe Signal could have had one. As a last resort one of them would have pitched a pup tent on the Q.T somewhere.
2. Jack wanted something of Ennis to keep as a memento of their love or time together in Brokeback. Remember Ennis was going to get married when they came down the mountain. Remember cameras were not freely available back then. Jack was a romantic and wanted to hold on to something of Ennis. Why Jack never told Ennis, well Ennis wouldn't understand it and also, remember Ennis never admitted to himself that he was gay and he also never admitted to himself that he was in love with a man, who was Jack. Remember the last embrace scene, Ennis came from behind and hugged Jack. Can you imagine what it would be like if Jack were to tell him, ya, I'm crazy in love with you and I took your shirt. The shirt represented Jack's love for Ennis. If Ennis took up Jack's offer and moved back to the ranch he could have found out but Ennis never did until too late. Jack kept it to himself hoping Ennis would open his eyes one day and see what was in front of him, not the shirts but Jack, giving all his love to him and waiting for Ennis to be free. As to how can anyone keep a secret like that, well Jack proved he can. When one is in love they do crazy things.
-
Some of my unanswered questions are?
1. Where did Jack and Ennis spend the first night after they finished the day before they were trucked up to the jump off? Ift doesn't say in the movie or the book. Could Ennis afford a motel? Was there a motel in that town? Where did they go all day and night?
2. Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback? How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long? And why didn't he ever tell him?
In the book Ennis doesn't realised he lost his shirt until weeks later, at the end when he finds the shirt in Jack's room, he tough he had lost long ago in a damn laundry.
remember also the wooden horse on the desk was a gift from Ennis, he made during the rainy days back in 63.
Jack kept alot of secret : quote from the motel scene: You do with other guy's Jack?
" shit no", said jack, who had been riding more than bulls, not rolling his
own. You know that.
read between the lines. Jack was no angel
-
2. Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback? How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long? And why didn't he ever tell him?
Here's another one -- where did Ennis's second shirt come from? Every single time we see him from the start of the movie, he's wearing the same shirt (*the* shirt). It doesn't seem like they packed a lot of extra clothes for the summer, either, since we see Jack washing his out in the river naked. Then, after the fight when they're coming down the mountain, suddenly Ennis has a new shirt that looks a lot like his original one. Jack is still wearing his blue shirt. I didn't notice that Ennis's shirt was different at first, and really wondered how Jack got it off him to steal and keep, so I guess having his new shirt look as similar to the first one as possible was a conscious costuming decision. I had to go back and verify that there was some sort of logical chance for Jack to get the shirt. But if you only had one (or two I guess), wouldn't you keep a closer watch on where your clothes went? ;)
-
But also have you notice that Jack always wore a T-shirt and when he comes down the mountain with Ennis, he wears a hankerchief around his neck, maybe to disguise the shirt, but as the book stated he Ennis tough he had lost the shirt in a damn laundry long long while ago.
-
Jack kept Ennis' shirt???? really?? what shirt is that??
at the end doesn't Ennis find the shirt that Jack was wearing and had blood on it from Ennis' nose???
I remember Ennis' left his shirt on the mountain but i dont remember seeing what happened to it..??
-
Jack kept Ennis' shirt???? really?? what shirt is that??
at the end doesn't Ennis find the shirt that Jack was wearing and had blood on it from Ennis' nose???
I remember Ennis' left his shirt on the mountain but i dont remember seeing what happened to it..??
Hello Merags,
Have you seen the movie? Read the book even ???..genuine question... ::)
x Froggy
-
um yes i have seen the movie 3 times..??
i remember ennis saying 'i cant believe i left my shirt on the mountain' or something like that, but i dont remeber jack taking it? someone explain to me, what part is it?? maybe im just dumb and forget haha
-
um yes i have seen the movie 3 times..??
i remember ennis saying 'i cant believe i left my shirt on the mountain' or something like that, but i dont remeber jack taking it? someone explain to me, what part is it?? maybe im just dumb and forget haha
We never see Jack taking them..but we guess when Ennis goes to see Jack's parents and finds the bloody shirts hidden behind the closet..then takes them away with him, and gives his final line "Jack I swear" in front of them!
-
um yes i have seen the movie 3 times..??
i remember ennis saying 'i cant believe i left my shirt on the mountain' or something like that, but i dont remeber jack taking it? someone explain to me, what part is it?? maybe im just dumb and forget haha
We never see Jack taking them..but we guess when Ennis goes to see Jack's parents and finds the bloody shirts hidden behind the closet..then takes them away with him, and gives his final line "Jack I swear" in front of them!
wait.. so are you saying ennis' shirt was with jack's shirt in his room at the end?
like jack took the shirt and ennis found his shirt with jack's in his room at the end? if thats what you're saying why the hell didn't i pick that up!? omg.. :-[ that makes me even sadder and angry that i didnt pick that up..
-
erm...how shall I put it...
You are pulling my leg right?
-
no im serious.. i honestly didnt see that :-[
-
OK, but have you read the short story, coz if you haven't ...
step 01: get dressed, put on your coat;
step 02: get out of the house, office;
step 03: go to the nearest bookstore, library;
step 04: borrow or buy Close Range;
step 05: as you walk back home or to the office start reading..towards the end, when he goes to visit Jack's parents!;
step 06: come back onto the forum.
-
OH MY GOD I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT!!
like i said before i have a version of it on my computer and just looked at that part... ohh myy
ennis' shirt is inside of Jack's ohhh my god, i didnt notice that THAT was Ennis'.. holy crap... then at the end his shirts on top of Jack's oh God oh God, I honestly didnt realize that was Ennis' shirt, ughh thats even more sad :( oh i love this movie even more now and i hate myself for being dumb and not noticing that UGGH!!! >:(
-
Extract from Brokeback Mountain...
The bedroom, at the top of a steep stair that had its own climbing rhythm, was tiny and hot, afternoon sun pounding through the west window, hitting the narrow boy's bed against the wall, an ink-stained desk and wooden chair, a b.b. gun in a hand-whittled rack over the bed. The window looked down on the gravel road stretching south and it occurred to him that for his growing-up years that was the only road Jack knew. An ancient magazine photograph of some dark-haired movie star was taped to the wall beside the bed, the skin tone gone magenta. He could hear Jack's mother downstairs running water, filling the kettle and setting it back on the stove, asking the old man a muffled question.
The closet was a shallow cavity with a wooden rod braced across, a faded cretonne curtain on a string closing it off from the rest of the room. In the closet hung two pairs of jeans crease-ironed and folded neatly over wire hangers, on the floor a pair of worn packer boots he thought he remembered. At the north end of the closet a tiny jog in the wall made a slight hiding place and here, stiff with long suspension from a nail, hung a shirt. He lifted it off the nail. Jack's old shirt from Brokeback days. The dried blood on the sleeve was his own blood, a gushing nosebleed on the last afternoon on the mountain when Jack, in their contortionistic grappling and wrestling, had slammed Ennis's nose hard with his knee. He had staunched the blood which was everywhere, all over both of them, with his shirtsleeve, but the staunching hadn't held because Ennis had suddenly swung from the deck and laid the ministering angel out in the wild columbine, wings folded.
The shirt seemed heavy until he saw there was another shirt inside it, the sleeves carefully worked down inside Jack's sleeves. It was his own plaid shirt, lost, he'd thought, long ago in some damn laundry, his dirty shirt, the pocket ripped, buttons missing, stolen by Jack and hidden here inside Jack's own shirt, the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one. He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands.
-
OH MY GOD I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT!!
like i said before i have a version of it on my computer and just looked at that part... ohh myy
ennis' shirt is inside of Jack's ohhh my god, i didnt notice that THAT was Ennis'.. holy crap... then at the end his shirts on top of Jack's oh God oh God, I honestly didnt realize that was Ennis' shirt, ughh thats even more sad :( oh i love this movie even more now and i hate myself for being dumb and not noticing that UGGH!!! >:(
Bless your heart...you are not an idiot...now you can enjoy BBM again, with new eyes..enjoy
x Froggy
-
thanks for the excerpt, and now im so excited to see it again knowing what i know, i almost got teary eyed just realizing that it was his shirt.. oh my! thanks so much for helping me out ur my bbm saviour lol!! ;)
-
thanks for the excerpt, and now im so excited to see it again knowing what i know, i almost got teary eyed just realizing that it was his shirt.. oh my! thanks so much for helping me out ur my bbm saviour lol!! ;)
My pleasure..I'm glad I could help...enjoy BBM ;)
-
But also have you notice that Jack always wore a T-shirt and when he comes down the mountain with Ennis, he wears a hankerchief around his neck, maybe to disguise the shirt, but as the book stated he Ennis tough he had lost the shirt in a damn laundry long long while ago.
interesting point...i have to pay attention next time i see the movie....i always wondered where the shirt was if jack took it. didn't see jack with a bag or anything....in the beginning or even in the end...
-
Some of my unanswered questions are?
1. Where did Jack and Ennis spend the first night after they finished the day before they were trucked up to the jump off? Ift doesn't say in the movie or the book. Could Ennis afford a motel? Was there a motel in that town? Where did they go all day and night?
2. Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback? How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long? And why didn't he ever tell him?
1) Oddly enough I never really thought about it....silly me just assumed Aguirre paid for a room for the night. LOL....as if that happend huh?
2) For twenty years Jack tried desperately to have a life with Ennis but couldn't. Ennis always held back most of himself from Jack...hence that one small part that Ennis could not withhold....the shirt Jack had in his possession. Often when leaving their "fishing trips" Jack would mention going to "Lightning Flat"...i.e. to his parents house. Can't you just see him...after their time together had ended...just like on BBM...he once again returned to the shirts...to relive his time with Ennis??? :'( :'(
-
But also have you notice that Jack always wore a T-shirt and when he comes down the mountain with Ennis, he wears a hankerchief around his neck, maybe to disguise the shirt, but as the book stated he Ennis tough he had lost the shirt in a damn laundry long long while ago.
Jack was also wearing the kerchief around his neck when he was waiting for Ennis at the camp the day Ennis encountered the bear and got back late. Jack took it off to dip it into the pot of water to try to clean Ennis' wound on the side of his face.
Chrissy
-
2. Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback? How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long? And why didn't he ever tell him?
Here's another one -- where did Ennis's second shirt come from? Every single time we see him from the start of the movie, he's wearing the same shirt (*the* shirt). It doesn't seem like they packed a lot of extra clothes for the summer, either, since we see Jack washing his out in the river naked. Then, after the fight when they're coming down the mountain, suddenly Ennis has a new shirt that looks a lot like his
original one. Jack is still wearing his blue shirt. I didn't notice that Ennis's shirt was different at first, and really wondered how Jack got it off him to steal and keep, so I guess having his new shirt look as similar to the first one as possible was a conscious costuming decision. I had to go back and verify that there was some sort of logical chance for Jack to get the shirt. But if you only had one (or two I guess), wouldn't you keep a closer watch on where your clothes went? ;)
The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.
Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.
Chrissy
-
2. Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback? How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long? And why didn't he ever tell him?
Here's another one -- where did Ennis's second shirt come from? Every single time we see him from the start of the movie, he's wearing the same shirt (*the* shirt). It doesn't seem like they packed a lot of extra clothes for the summer, either, since we see Jack washing his out in the river naked. Then, after the fight when they're coming down the mountain, suddenly Ennis has a new shirt that looks a lot like his
original one. Jack is still wearing his blue shirt. I didn't notice that Ennis's shirt was different at first, and really wondered how Jack got it off him to steal and keep, so I guess having his new shirt look as similar to the first one as possible was a conscious costuming decision. I had to go back and verify that there was some sort of logical chance for Jack to get the shirt. But if you only had one (or two I guess), wouldn't you keep a closer watch on where your clothes went? ;)
The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.
Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.
Chrissy
You got it Chrissy! I share this with you :'(
-
The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.
Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.
Chrissy
You got it Chrissy! I share this with you :'(
Yeah......pass the Kleenex. Again.
I wish I had bought stock in Kimberly-Clark or any other tissue manufacturer before BBM was released.
Chrissy
-
Virtual shoulder is being delivered to your door right now.
Go ahead friend, cry :'(
I'm crying with you my friend. :'( :'( :'(
-
The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.
Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.
Chrissy
You got it Chrissy! I share this with you :'(
Yeah......pass the Kleenex. Again.
I wish I had bought stock in Kimberly-Clark or any other tissue manufacturer before BBM was released.
Chrissy
Oh no, I'm gonna start up again, if y'all aren't careful.
-
1. What did Ennis dream about after Jack's death?
2. Would there be someone else in Ennis' life that would touch him the way Jack did?
-
1. What did Ennis dream about after Jack's death?
2. Would there be someone else in Ennis' life that would touch him the way Jack did?
I reckon he dreamt about all of their time together. Annie Proulx says when he dreamt he would sometimes wake up with the sheets damp and sometimes the pillow so he was obviously not just dreaming about the love and intimacy, but also the times that he let Jack down and the chances that were missed.
I don't think Ennis would ever find anyone to replace Jack - even if he had become more accepting of who and what he was, nothing could ever replace the love of his life, his soulmate.
-
he was obviously not just dreaming about the love and intimacy, but also the times that he let Jack down and the chances that were missed.
I also think he was dreaming about how Jack died (the spoon handle morphing into a tire iron). It must have been so painful for Ennis to even dream about this.
I don't think Ennis would ever find anyone to replace Jack - even if he had become more accepting of who and what he was, nothing could ever replace the love of his life, his soulmate.
Yes. This is probably close to the heart of his 'I swear', at least IMO.
Thank you.
-
Totally hypothetical, I know, but my big "unanswered question" at the moment is, if Jack had lived, would he have met Ennis again in November? Given the whole "Brokeback is all we got.." scene, the pain that Ennis is in "I'm nothing.....I'm nowhere.......I can't stand this anymore...." and the look on Jacks face as Ennis' trailer drives away........was Jack going to give up and let Ennis go? Would he have gone for second best with Randall? I noticed that it was Ennis that sent the postcard to Jack about November (that came back stamped "Deceased").....would Jack have replied?
We'll never know.......sigh!
Samc
-
Totally hypothetical, I know, but my big "unanswered question" at the moment is, if Jack had lived, would he have met Ennis again in November? Given the whole "Brokeback is all we got.." scene, the pain that Ennis is in "I'm nothing.....I'm nowhere.......I can't stand this anymore...." and the look on Jacks face as Ennis' trailer drives away........was Jack going to give up and let Ennis go? Would he have gone for second best with Randall? I noticed that it was Ennis that sent the postcard to Jack about November (that came back stamped "Deceased").....would Jack have replied?
We'll never know.......sigh!
Samc
I have to believe that yes, he would have. I also thought maybe this was a kind of pivotal moment in their relationship--Ennis breaks down, clutching Jack, admitting that it's hard for him too. And Jack looks at Ennis driving away, remembering the reasons why he loves him (the long-ago embrace on Brokeback). Perhaps Ennis would have been more open after that point? Or I'm just too hopeful maybe??
-
I have to believe that yes, he would have. I also thought maybe this was a kind of pivotal moment in their relationship--Ennis breaks down, clutching Jack, admitting that it's hard for him too. And Jack looks at Ennis driving away, remembering the reasons why he loves him (the long-ago embrace on Brokeback). Perhaps Ennis would have been more open after that point? Or I'm just too hopeful maybe??
Yeah, I believe he would, too. Jack couldn't quit Ennis - even at the end of the lakeside scene, when Ennis breaks down Jack goes to him, reassures him ("I'm sorry, it's alright, damn you Ennis") and holds him while Ennis cries. I think the "damn you Ennis" line is crucial - it's not said with a "I hate you" kind of tone, it's far more of a "damn you for making me love you so much". Jack certainly wished it wasn't so hard, and that they could be together more, but he could never (in my opinion) have settled for anyone else.
-
I don't think Ennis would ever find anyone to replace Jack
Well, I like to think he will find another soulmate .. Not someone to replace Jack as Jack is unique and his first love, and we all know those are the strongest and truly for forever, but maybe there'd be someone else besides (the memory of) Jack for Ennis in the BBM world .. That's the power of BBM and it's open end, we can all imagine ours.
-
I want to know why those two unfamiliar faces are in the movie trailers but not in the movie. Is it one of the deleted scenes they forgot to cut from the trailer? Are those Jack's folks in seventies? The Dodge truck behind them appears to be a 1975 0r 1976 model. Is that scene going to be included in the "Director's Cut" release of the DVD? Someone please answer.
-
I want to know why those two unfamiliar faces are in the movie trailers but not in the movie. Is it one of the deleted scenes they forgot to cut from the trailer? Are those Jack's folks in seventies? The Dodge truck behind them appears to be a 1975 0r 1976 model. Is that scene going to be included in the "Director's Cut" release of the DVD? Someone please answer.
whose faces?
-
whose faces?
you can see two mechanics for one or two seconds in the trailer.
but sorry, i have no idea, why they are shown in the trailer but not in the movie. but i also think hat they are in jack's environment in the later years in texas.
-
Ohmigod, I thought these two were the rancher who was murdered and someone out of the mob ( ? Ennis's father) who murdered him.)
The bit I don't get is the bit on the trailer where Jack says, "Well if we're going to be working together, guess we'd better start drinking together." Does that fit in while they're outside Aguirre's trailer?
-
The bit I don't get is the bit on the trailer where Jack says, "Well if we're going to be working together, guess we'd better start drinking together." Does that fit in while they're outside Aguirre's trailer?
I always thought that was what Jack said right after introducing himself to Ennis and finding out Ennis' name.
<OT> I always thought it so sad that Ennis was so homophobic he wouldn't even walk along side of Jack on the way to the bar.
-
I've got another question - just dawned on me during the hour of the movie that I just managed to sneak in.
When we see Ennis at the start of the movie, he is carrying a paper sack which presumably contains his spare shirt and nothing much else, since it's pretty small. At the end of their time on Brokeback, he's carrying a much larger canvas bag which seems to have quite a lot of stuff in it, but definitely does not contain his spare shirt since we know Jack takes that. So, what does that bag contain - and where did he get the bag anyway? ???
Also (and I know I said I only had one question and have already asked two) where does Ennis get the yellow rain jacket that he wears up on Brokeback, since the bag he takes up there is definitely not big enough for that?
Am I in the wrong thread here? Should these maybe be in the bloopers thread? Or does anyone have a reasonable explanation? ;D
-
I've got another question - just dawned on me during the hour of the movie that I just managed to sneak in.
When we see Ennis at the start of the movie, he is carrying a paper sack which presumably contains his spare shirt and nothing much else, since it's pretty small. At the end of their time on Brokeback, he's carrying a much larger canvas bag which seems to have quite a lot of stuff in it, but definitely does not contain his spare shirt since we know Jack takes that. So, what does that bag contain - and where did he get the bag anyway? ???
Also (and I know I said I only had one question and have already asked two) where does Ennis get the yellow rain jacket that he wears up on Brokeback, since the bag he takes up there is definitely not big enough for that?
Am I in the wrong thread here? Should these maybe be in the bloopers thread? Or does anyone have a reasonable explanation? ;D
I've wondered about the yello9w jacket too, the only explanation I can think of is that maybe he borrowed it off someone after Jack told him about the storm ???
-
I've got another question - just dawned on me during the hour of the movie that I just managed to sneak in.
When we see Ennis at the start of the movie, he is carrying a paper sack which presumably contains his spare shirt and nothing much else, since it's pretty small. At the end of their time on Brokeback, he's carrying a much larger canvas bag which seems to have quite a lot of stuff in it, but definitely does not contain his spare shirt since we know Jack takes that. So, what does that bag contain - and where did he get the bag anyway? ???
Also (and I know I said I only had one question and have already asked two) where does Ennis get the yellow rain jacket that he wears up on Brokeback, since the bag he takes up there is definitely not big enough for that?
Am I in the wrong thread here? Should these maybe be in the bloopers thread? Or does anyone have a reasonable explanation? ;D
I've wondered about the yello9w jacket too, the only explanation I can think of is that maybe he borrowed it off someone after Jack told him about the storm ???
The bag is an empty cotton flour bag he probably got from one of his Friday's grocery delivery, there is for sure an extra pair of jeans in it.
-
I've got another question - just dawned on me during the hour of the movie that I just managed to sneak in.
When we see Ennis at the start of the movie, he is carrying a paper sack which presumably contains his spare shirt and nothing much else, since it's pretty small. At the end of their time on Brokeback, he's carrying a much larger canvas bag which seems to have quite a lot of stuff in it, but definitely does not contain his spare shirt since we know Jack takes that. So, what does that bag contain - and where did he get the bag anyway? ???
Also (and I know I said I only had one question and have already asked two) where does Ennis get the yellow rain jacket that he wears up on Brokeback, since the bag he takes up there is definitely not big enough for that?
Am I in the wrong thread here? Should these maybe be in the bloopers thread? Or does anyone have a reasonable explanation? ;D
I figure Aguirre gave them the rain jacket as part of the supplies that went with them up the mountain. Maybe that's where he got the canvas bag, too, but as chameau said, the canvas bag probably came with the food supplies.
-
2. Why in almost 20 years did Jack NEVER TELL ENNIS that he had taken his shirt from Brokeback? How can anyone keep a secret like that, that long? And why didn't he ever tell him?
Here's another one -- where did Ennis's second shirt come from? Every single time we see him from the start of the movie, he's wearing the same shirt (*the* shirt). It doesn't seem like they packed a lot of extra clothes for the summer, either, since we see Jack washing his out in the river naked. Then, after the fight when they're coming down the mountain, suddenly Ennis has a new shirt that looks a lot like his
original one. Jack is still wearing his blue shirt. I didn't notice that Ennis's shirt was different at first, and really wondered how Jack got it off him to steal and keep, so I guess having his new shirt look as similar to the first one as possible was a conscious costuming decision. I had to go back and verify that there was some sort of logical chance for Jack to get the shirt. But if you only had one (or two I guess), wouldn't you keep a closer watch on where your clothes went? ;)
The shirt Ennis was wearing on the way down the mountain had more brown in it. He most likely changed the shirt before they came down because his was covered with blood. With all the confusion and Ennis' misery about ending their time on the mountain, he probably didn't notice what happened to the bloody shirt whuile he changed.
Another thing about the shirts that got to me was how the shirts were reversed. If I recall correctly, that was not mentioned in the short story, but was in the screenplay (I don't have the "Story to Screenplay" book handy to check). I think it expresses without words how close Jack held his love for Ennis hidden inside and protected and now that Jack was gone Ennis was holding Jack inside and protecting him.
Chrissy
Chrissy, that was beautiful. About Ennis' brown/orange/checked shirt--he was wearing it during the FNIT, too. You can see it peaking out from his jacket.
Apparently, it was Heath Ledger's idea to switch the shirts at the end of the movie and put Ennis' shirt on the outside of Jack's. I agree with you, Chrissy, that it was Ennis' way of protecting, loving and nurturing Jack, even after Jack's death. Ennis' shirt is forever holding Jack's in that dozy embrace, which was Jack's favorite memory of he and Ennis. :'(
-
I always thought Ennis had 3 shirts. A brown plaid, the famous one, and a third that looked a lot like the famous one only it was a gray or gray/blue. If you watch Jack as he is washing clothes or when the boys are cutting wood, it looks like Jack is washing the gray/blue one and Ennis is wearing the gray/blue one.
I don't know. Maybe my eyes are gone all fuzzy. You guys have a look see and tell me.
-
My friend went to the small theatre in Spain and he told me:
1. The night before Jack and Ennis went up on Brekeback they spent in Jack's car talking - that scene was in spain version of the movie!!!
2. Two unfamiliar faces in the trailer - when Jack came back after one year and Aguirre told him he doesn' t have any job for HIM , Jack wanted to go away, but those two men cought him and beat.
PS. But the first tent scene was censored in Spain - it ended in the moment when Jack takes off the coat :P
-
I always thought Ennis had 3 shirts. A brown plaid, the famous one, and a third that looked a lot like the famous one only it was a gray or gray/blue. If you watch Jack as he is washing clothes or when the boys are cutting wood, it looks like Jack is washing the gray/blue one and Ennis is wearing the gray/blue one.
I don't know. Maybe my eyes are gone all fuzzy. You guys have a look see and tell me.
Jack, I think, is washing the shirt that Ennis finds in the closet at the end (the whiter one). I think Ennis is wearing the orange/brown/checked shirt while Jack is washing Ennis' lighter colored shirt. I only counted two Ennis shirts when the boys were up on BBM. But heck, it'll give me an excuse to watch the first 40 minutes again (like I need one!).
-
stacp, I was just thinkin' the same. I only just watched the first hour last night too but I didn't think to count Ennis's shirts ::) Wonder when I'll be able to fit in my next fix? ;)
-
My friend went to the small theatre in Spain and he told me:
1. The night before Jack and Ennis went up on Brekeback they spent in Jack's car talking - that scene was in spain version of the movie!!!
2. Two unfamiliar faces in the trailer - when Jack came back after one year and Aguirre told him he doesn' t have any job for HIM , Jack wanted to go away, but those two men cought him and beat.
PS. But the first tent scene was censored in Spain - it ended in the moment when Jack takes off the coat :P
I'm surprised to hear there are different versions of the film released! Are there really some scenes in foreign releases that we don't see here in the USA?
-
Just realised I didn't say anything in response to the question,"Had he lived, would Jack have come back in November?"
Is it possible to doubt it? If he was thinking anything, I guess he died loving Ennis. Nobody would ever have superceded him in Jack's heart, because he's have gone on hoping as long as he'd gone on living. That's what love does.
-
My friend went to the small theatre in Spain and he told me:
1. The night before Jack and Ennis went up on Brekeback they spent in Jack's car talking - that scene was in spain version of the movie!!!
2. Two unfamiliar faces in the trailer - when Jack came back after one year and Aguirre told him he doesn' t have any job for HIM , Jack wanted to go away, but those two men cought him and beat.
PS. But the first tent scene was censored in Spain - it ended in the moment when Jack takes off the coat :P
I can't believe they censored that scene in Spain! It is supposed to be a very liberal country, I don't understand why they did it...they have movies by Almodovar who have many scenes like that in them...
I have one more unanswered question: why in in opinion does Jack wait four years to look for Ennis?
By the way, this is my first post...nice to meet you all!
-
I always thought Ennis had 3 shirts. A brown plaid, the famous one, and a third that looked a lot like the famous one only it was a gray or gray/blue. If you watch Jack as he is washing clothes or when the boys are cutting wood, it looks like Jack is washing the gray/blue one and Ennis is wearing the gray/blue one.
I don't know. Maybe my eyes are gone all fuzzy. You guys have a look see and tell me.
Ok, I watched Ennis's shirts carefully last night and I'm certain he only has two: the "famous" blue/white one that he wears in SNIT and on their last day on Brokeback and the brown/orange one that he changes into after they fight, which is the same one that he's wearing during FNIT and the "morning after" (you can see the edge of the collar quite clearly both in the tent and when he's saddling up the horse as Jack comes out of the tent).
One thing I did think, though - if we're assuming that SNIT happens the day after FNIT, then at some point between the "one shot thing" conversation and the scene where Ennis is sitting at the fire trying to decide whether he's going to go to Jack or not, he changes his shirt. Logical, since he'd been wearing it during FNIT so it was probably, um, sweaty, but I bet that particular clothes change was about the most awkward ever ;)
'Course, it could be another clue that SNIT did not happen the night after FNIT - guess I'll need to go watch the "one shot thing" scene again to see if I can see which shirt Ennis is wearing at that point. All in the name of clearing this particular question up, you understand ;)
Jack, I think, is washing the shirt that Ennis finds in the closet at the end (the whiter one). I think Ennis is wearing the orange/brown/checked shirt while Jack is washing Ennis' lighter colored shirt. I only counted two Ennis shirts when the boys were up on BBM. But heck, it'll give me an excuse to watch the first 40 minutes again (like I need one!).
-
The first 4 images are of the shirt I am talking about. Notice the first two images the shirt has a blue color printed on white. (More captions between images.)
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe359%2FPatriotOne%2FEnnisshirt1.jpg&hash=6f15d12e66c58f2beac4c4c07425c63854d4b3f0)
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe359%2FPatriotOne%2FEnnisshirt2.jpg&hash=0d26a6d5123ea3ea250e764ecc06266c4bdf8c68)
The next two images are of Jack washing that shirt. Notice it is blue checks printed on white.
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe359%2FPatriotOne%2FEnnisshirt3.jpg&hash=3cefa9beb829adeadd770882432c009156a29914)
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe359%2FPatriotOne%2FEnnisshirt4.jpg&hash=1a73746d606fa9b18d962c0a2c5e5db494fccd5b)
Here is the brown plaid shirt.
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe359%2FPatriotOne%2FEnnisShirt6.jpg&hash=3e8429c05944eaabfdfbd20f5691f512b49def81)
And here is the famous yellow shirt. While it does have blue lines in it there isn't enough blue to make the shirt look blue as in the first 4 images.
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe359%2FPatriotOne%2FEnnisShirt5.jpg&hash=5a4b6f137e4eff8b9822e73a70f41b82efe27c4c)
With image evidence, would anyone say there were 3 shirts?
-
Ah, ok Patriot1 - you're right. Thanks for the images to prove it (especially the ones of Jack washing the shirt ;D)
Guess I'm going to have to watch even closer next time - the hardship ;) ;D
-
Ah, ok Patriot1 - you're right. Thanks for the images to prove it (especially the ones of Jack washing the shirt ;D)
Guess I'm going to have to watch even closer next time - the hardship ;) ;D
Well, NoReins, the only reason I made a fuss over this is because now a message I wrote a long time ago and then had Ethan delete, just, in fact, may be true. I thought I saw ennis wearing the blue/white shirt to Aguirre's. If this is true, then the yellow shirt was in the bag when it came from Ennis' home. And was in the bag when it returned to Ennis' home (albeit a different home). I just found this, for reasons I can not explain, fascinating. The shirt took a 20 year journey starting and ending in a paper sack.
-
Actually, hang on a minute. In the scene on the mountain when they fought, Ennis was wearing the blue/white shirt was he not? Not one with yellow in it...
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.imagethrust.com%2Fi%2F24127%2Fennis34.jpg&hash=3aacd92337d779387179488c1be3b54914ed28e1)
That was the shirt that got blood on it (obviously) so does that mean that the shirt with yellow in the photo that Patriot1 posted is the wrong shirt? Or is my eyesight really bad and Ennis is, in fact, wearing the shirt with yellow in it in the picture here?
-
That's weird ??? To me it seems like he was wearing just a blue/white shirt on the mountain, too.
So why is the shirt in the closet kinda yellow ???
-
Actually, hang on a minute. In the scene on the mountain when they fought, Ennis was wearing the blue/white shirt was he not? Not one with yellow in it...
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.imagethrust.com%2Fi%2F24127%2Fennis34.jpg&hash=3aacd92337d779387179488c1be3b54914ed28e1)
That was the shirt that got blood on it (obviously) so does that mean that the shirt with yellow in the photo that Patriot1 posted is the wrong shirt? Or is my eyesight really bad and Ennis is, in fact, wearing the shirt with yellow in it in the picture here?
A white shirt will turn yellow over the years and this one was in the closet for 20 years. BUT, and it could be my eyesight, the blue lines in your image look wider than the ones on the yellow shirt.
But I can not imagine Ang or the property manager mixing the shirts up, can you? This could all be an optical illusion.
-
A white shirt will turn yellow over the years and this one was in the closet for 20 years. BUT, and it could be my eyesight, the blue lines in your image look wider than the ones on the yellow shirt.
But I can not imagine Ang or the property manager mixing the shirts up, can you? This could all be an optical illusion.
No optical illusion - the photo that you've posted of the shirts is not from the movie. Must just be a promotional shot. I've just watched the fight on the mountain, Ennis's discovery of the shirts and the final "Jack, I swear..." bit in order to check. The shirt that Ennis wears on the mountain is grey (or maybe light blue) and white - and is the same shirt he finds hanging inside Jack's and then has hanging in the closet. There is very definitely no yellow in it (even allowing for aging, the one you posted is not just two colours) - and the pattern is also different to the one in the shot you posted.
This is truly weird..... ???
-
No optical illusion - the photo that you've posted of the shirts is not from the movie. Must just be a promotional shot.
This is truly weird..... ???
No, no promo image either. Here is a screencap from the movie. The shirt I posted above is the same shirt they used in the movie.
Yes, very weird, isn't it.
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe359%2FPatriotOne%2FYellowshirt.jpg&hash=8beb0f4ddce772d79fbf8638dbbe4fbd98fb1e53)
-
Maybe the lighting's weird in that promo shot, and made the shirt look yellow??? ???
-
My unanswered question..
Although Jack was going to bring Randall to the ranch of his parents', was Ennis still the biggest and greatest love of his whole life?
-
My unanswered question..
Although Jack was going to bring Randall to the ranch of his parents', was Ennis still the biggest and greatest love of his whole life?
Hell yes. I'd go as far as to say Ennis was the only love of his life - the other half that made him whole, his soulmate.
-
I thibnk it was easy to miss the two shirts being together. I did the first time I saw the movie. Then, I wondered about the blood -- how did it end up on both shirts? When I saw the movie a few more times, I noticed that Ennis wipes his bloody nose on his cuff, but Jack, while grabbing Ennis to calm him down, also brushes his nose, so that answered that question for me. Both shirts came in contact with the bloody nose. That made the whole scene where Ennis finds the shirt so much more powerful. Not only did Jack tuck Ennis's shirt under, or within, his, but the blood adds extra meaning to their togetherness. This is the part that made me cry the most in my earlier viewings. Lamusica
-
Well this is sort of a question.... They mention more than once that two guys living together ("no way") wouldn't be considered good by everyone else, but what about two brothers living together? Or would everyone still find it wrong because they haven't moved away and married?
-
This is my question...How did Ennis know Jack was at RFD 2 in Childress? It wasn't on the postcard Jack sent...also Ennis didn't put his exact address on his "You bet." to Jack...the return addres was simply Ennis Del Mar, Riverton, Wyoming.
Donna :-\\
-
This is my question...How did Ennis know Jack was at RFD 2 in Childress? It wasn't on the postcard Jack sent...also Ennis didn't put his exact address on his "You bet." to Jack...the return addres was simply Ennis Del Mar, Riverton, Wyoming.
Donna :-\\
Yes, Donna, this is a problem. It was on another thread somewhere, but how did the initial postcard get to Ennis? How did Jack know Riverton was the right city?
It seems Ennis is copying Jack's address off a piece of paper, but where did that paper come from? Was Ennis holding it for four years?
-
This is my question...How did Ennis know Jack was at RFD 2 in Childress? It wasn't on the postcard Jack sent...also Ennis didn't put his exact address on his "You bet." to Jack...the return addres was simply Ennis Del Mar, Riverton, Wyoming.
Donna :-\\
Yes, Donna, this is a problem. It was on another thread somewhere, but how did the initial postcard get to Ennis? How did Jack know Riverton was the right city?
It seems Ennis is copying Jack's address off a piece of paper, but where did that paper come from? Was Ennis holding it for four years?
I don't think so, Edgar...Jack was still living in Wyoming then...he hadn't yet been to Childress or met Lureen, so Ennis couldn't have gotten the Childress address when they were on the mountain. As for Jack finding Ennis in Riverton...who knows how many postcards he sent to all the little towns around where Ennis was from? They met in Signal...maybe he just sent cards to all the towns around Signal. But when Ennis wrote back, he didn't give his OWN exact address...just Riverton, WY. Of course I guess Jack could have asked around when he got to Riverton...like he did after Ennis' divorce. Sigh...so many unansewered questions.
-
This is my question...How did Ennis know Jack was at RFD 2 in Childress? It wasn't on the postcard Jack sent...also Ennis didn't put his exact address on his "You bet." to Jack...the return addres was simply Ennis Del Mar, Riverton, Wyoming.
Donna :-\\
Yes, Donna, this is a problem. It was on another thread somewhere, but how did the initial postcard get to Ennis? How did Jack know Riverton was the right city?
It seems Ennis is copying Jack's address off a piece of paper, but where did that paper come from? Was Ennis holding it for four years?
I don't think so, Edgar...Jack was still living in Wyoming then...he hadn't yet been to Childress or met Lureen, so Ennis couldn't have gotten the Childress address when they were on the mountain. As for Jack finding Ennis in Riverton...who knows how many postcards he sent to all the little towns around where Ennis was from? They met in Signal...maybe he just sent cards to all the towns around Signal. But when Ennis wrote back, he didn't give his OWN exact address...just Riverton, WY. Of course I guess Jack could have asked around when he got to Riverton...like he did after Ennis' divorce. Sigh...so many unansewered questions.
In the short story, Jack's postcard says "heard you were in Riverton..." so maybe Jack was talking to someone who had maybe worked with Ennis, or something like that? I don't know how the whole "general delivery" thing works, but it seems that Ennis and Alma collected their post from the post office, rather than having it delivered, so as long as it had Ennis's name on, the post office would know it was for him and the same with Ennis's reply to Jack.
My questions about the postcards are:
1) Is the spelling mistake in Jack's first postcard deliberate (it says drop me a line if your there, instead of you're)?
2) Is it Heath and Jake's real handwriting?
-
thanks for the excerpt, and now im so excited to see it again knowing what i know, i almost got teary eyed just realizing that it was his shirt.. oh my! thanks so much for helping me out ur my bbm saviour lol!! ;)
Oh Italian Dude, how I envy you! You get to experience "the shirts" for the first time ... for all of us, its a painful repeat, beautiful, but so painful. Heavy, like the two shirts together on a hanger. You will never be the same.
-
I was wondering what happend to Jack's son? I think that he may have gone away to school or something. and what of Ennis other daugher Jenny? maybe she was busy when Ennis came around.
-
thanks for the excerpt, and now im so excited to see it again knowing what i know, i almost got teary eyed just realizing that it was his shirt.. oh my! thanks so much for helping me out ur my bbm saviour lol!! ;)
Here's an editorial comment for you I_D...it was Heath's idea to switch the shirts, putting his outside of Jack's, for the closet scene at the end, where he says "Jack, I swear." So many things about this wondeful movie just breaks my heart. :\'(
Donna
-
This is my question. In the scene where Alma is washing clothes on the washboard and Ennis goes into the bedroom to tend to the babies...HOW in the world did they get that crying baby (Alma Jr.) to get out of the bed and go over to Heath and grab his leg? She looks like she's only about a maybe 18 mo old, maybe less. And she's crying her heart out. I'm just curious about how they got a crying baby to DO something like that. Then again, maybe it wasn't really planned, she was just crying, and wated comfort, so she went to the only person in the room. :-\\
Donna
-
Not a baby person, don't know how they get kids to act/act up to order.
But as far as the address thing is concerned, Jack was rodeoing and driving abouut meting all sorts of other rootless people en route; Ennis was taking temporary jobs and moving from one to another - it doesn't seem impossible that someone who'd met one of them should mention it and the other pick upon the description/name. (It happened to me once, after I hadn't seen someone for 33 years and had no idea how to find them, then someone recognised me and put us back in touch - they'd only been apart for four years, and were both employed by Aguirre through some sort of agency, which could easily have covered a wide area and lots of hired hands.
-
How did Jack know that Ennis's apartment was above the Laundromat?
How did Jack know Ennis was in Riverton? - "Heard you was in Riverton"
-
How did Jack know that Ennis's apartment was above the Laundromat?
How did Jack know Ennis was in Riverton? - "Heard you was in Riverton"
The first one, I attribute to Jack just asking around for directions to Ennis's address.
The second one is indeed more problematic. I beg to suggest phone information. A friend from around 15 years ago located me this way. Still not so sure how he zeroed in on the general vicinity/state. But it did happen, much to my surprise!
-
I thought of a question I've had since about the third time I saw Brokeback. When Jack does the whole jumping around like he's riding a bull he has the bottle of whiskey in his left hand when he starts, then he has his hat in his hand, then when he falls down he drops the hat but he still has the bottle of whiskey and it appears he hasn't spilled a drop. I've watched this several times and sit in wonderment, specifically about how he got the hat off his head and into that hand without spilling whiskey all over himeself, LOL. If this issue was discussed before, sorry, I couldn't find it anywhere. What are your thoughts on this scene?
-
I thought of a question I've had since about the third time I saw Brokeback. When Jack does the whole jumping around like he's riding a bull he has the bottle of whiskey in his left hand when he starts, then he has his hat in his hand, then when he falls down he drops the hat but he still has the bottle of whiskey and it appears he hasn't spilled a drop. I've watched this several times and sit in wonderment, specifically about how he got the hat off his head and into that hand without spilling whiskey all over himeself, LOL. If this issue was discussed before, sorry, I couldn't find it anywhere. What are your thoughts on this scene?
This is an interesting detail. Thanks BBMaddict. It looked like a genuine fall. But there is clearly a lot of art to it. Don't know how he exactly did this, except to say that even when falling, he has poise...
-
I thought of a question I've had since about the third time I saw Brokeback. When Jack does the whole jumping around like he's riding a bull he has the bottle of whiskey in his left hand when he starts, then he has his hat in his hand, then when he falls down he drops the hat but he still has the bottle of whiskey and it appears he hasn't spilled a drop. I've watched this several times and sit in wonderment, specifically about how he got the hat off his head and into that hand without spilling whiskey all over himeself, LOL. If this issue was discussed before, sorry, I couldn't find it anywhere. What are your thoughts on this scene?
This is an interesting detail. Thanks BBMaddict. It looked like a genuine fall. But there is clearly a lot of art to it. Don't know how he exactly did this, except to say that even when falling, he has poise...
Yes, tpe, Jack/Jake is charming even when clowning around, that quicksilver quality that makes him so endearing ... both of him!! <^(
In this particular scene, however, I'm wondering if it's another case of a continuity snafu. I was watching closely here last time and I could swear that whiskey bottle disappeared while he's jumpiing around. Then reappears at the end. Like BBMaddict, I was wondering how the heck the whiskey didn't get spilled all over Jack and Ennis both! ;D Will have to check again, I guess, lucky me.
Not that these little things bother me too much ... wouldn't notice them in any other film. Course, wouldn't watch anything else this intently, either. ;) Unless one of the boys were in it, of course. O0
-
I thought of a question I've had since about the third time I saw Brokeback. When Jack does the whole jumping around like he's riding a bull he has the bottle of whiskey in his left hand when he starts, then he has his hat in his hand, then when he falls down he drops the hat but he still has the bottle of whiskey and it appears he hasn't spilled a drop. I've watched this several times and sit in wonderment, specifically about how he got the hat off his head and into that hand without spilling whiskey all over himeself, LOL. If this issue was discussed before, sorry, I couldn't find it anywhere. What are your thoughts on this scene?
This is an interesting detail. Thanks BBMaddict. It looked like a genuine fall. But there is clearly a lot of art to it. Don't know how he exactly did this, except to say that even when falling, he has poise...
Yes, tpe, Jack/Jake is charming even when clowning around, that quicksilver quality that makes him so endearing ... both of him!! <^(
In this particular scene, however, I'm wondering if it's another case of a continuity snafu. I was watching closely here last time and I could swear that whiskey bottle disappeared while he's jumpiing around. Then reappears at the end. Like BBMaddict, I was wondering how the heck the whiskey didn't get spilled all over Jack and Ennis both! ;D Will have to check again, I guess, lucky me.
Not that these little things bother me too much ... wouldn't notice them in any other film. Course, wouldn't watch anything else this intently, either. ;) Unless one of the boys were in it, of course. O0
It gets more interesting then! Thanks MississaugaRed. I should check this scene again. Perhaps some "rough" editing? :)
-
It gets more interesting then! Thanks MississaugaRed. I should check this scene again. Perhaps some "rough" editing? :)
Rough editing, indeed. :)
Considering the tight budget they made BBM on, it's not surprising we obsessed passionate (!) people find a few incongruities. But they got the talent exactly right ... that's what counts! #)
Love how we are able to explain away certain questions, though, like the earlier comments on how Jack might have tracked Ennis down after 4 years. Never occurred to me to even ask, but here it is, asked and answered. Good job, Brokies! :c)
-
i have one that sounds a little bit stupid, remember the scene in which we see monroe for the first time well Ennis said Boss Called! why then he send postcards if he supposly had a phone it wasn't more easy?
-
i have one that sounds a little bit stupid, remember the scene in which we see monroe for the first time well Ennis said Boss Called! why then he send postcards if he supposly had a phone it wasn't more easy?
I could be wrong about this Carlos, but if my memory doesn't fail me, Long distance phone calls were expensive back in the 60's and 70's. Plus, there was a record kept of the phone call and it was on your bill. There wasn't any urgency so the boys took the cheap way out. That would be my guess.
-
i have one that sounds a little bit stupid, remember the scene in which we see monroe for the first time well Ennis said Boss Called! why then he send postcards if he supposly had a phone it wasn't more easy?
I could be wrong about this Carlos, but if my memory doesn't fail me, Long distance phone calls were expensive back in the 60's and 70's. Plus, there was a record kept of the phone call and it was on your bill. There wasn't any urgency so the boys took the cheap way out. That would be my guess.
you are right i guess that that i'm so used to this free long distance calls that i forgot that they were not free before
-
My friend went to the small theatre in Spain and he told me:
1. The night before Jack and Ennis went up on Brekeback they spent in Jack's car talking - that scene was in spain version of the movie!!!
2. Two unfamiliar faces in the trailer - when Jack came back after one year and Aguirre told him he doesn' t have any job for HIM , Jack wanted to go away, but those two men cought him and beat.
PS. But the first tent scene was censored in Spain - it ended in the moment when Jack takes off the coat :P
Fascinating! I came on this thread to ask a question and it happened to be the very first question on this thread, which is, where did they spend the first night? I can't believe you got to see a scene from that night in Spain. Jeez they need to put in all these deleted scenes.
I pictured it more like one would sack out in the back of Jack's truck and one in the cab -- probably not together. Also, I can't picture them talking all night, Ennis being not too talkative of a guy. Boy do I need to see that scene.
I always think the guys in a mechanic's shop in the trailer were the guys who did Jack in by the road... Do you know for sure they were guys by Aguirre's office?
kathy
-
I thought of a question I've had since about the third time I saw Brokeback. When Jack does the whole jumping around like he's riding a bull he has the bottle of whiskey in his left hand when he starts, then he has his hat in his hand, then when he falls down he drops the hat but he still has the bottle of whiskey and it appears he hasn't spilled a drop. I've watched this several times and sit in wonderment, specifically about how he got the hat off his head and into that hand without spilling whiskey all over himeself, LOL. If this issue was discussed before, sorry, I couldn't find it anywhere. What are your thoughts on this scene?
I think this is just a blooper or continuity glitch. Wasn't filmed in exact sequence, or different takes, and the continuity person missed it. (They should have gotten us for continuity experts. He's got the bottle in his hand and one hand empty as he got up; in the immediate next moment he's got the hat in his hand and one hand empty; at the end, the fall, back to the bottle in his hand. They just messed up.
kathy
-
i have one that sounds a little bit stupid, remember the scene in which we see monroe for the first time well Ennis said Boss Called! why then he send postcards if he supposly had a phone it wasn't more easy?
I could be wrong about this Carlos, but if my memory doesn't fail me, Long distance phone calls were expensive back in the 60's and 70's. Plus, there was a record kept of the phone call and it was on your bill. There wasn't any urgency so the boys took the cheap way out. That would be my guess.
This is true. Long distance used to be a big huge deal, and people wrote cards and letters more often. Ennis wouldn't think of calling Jack; and would probably feel awkward about talking to him on the phone anyway.
kathy
-
You don't phone your lover at home if his wife might answer, or overhear and ask who's calling. The situation is analagous - Ennsi finds it hard enough to talk - how could he ask Lureen, if she answered, if he could talk to Jack?
-
I think this is just a blooper or continuity glitch. Wasn't filmed in exact sequence, or different takes, and the continuity person missed it. (They should have gotten us for continuity experts. He's got the bottle in his hand and one hand empty as he got up; in the immediate next moment he's got the hat in his hand and one hand empty; at the end, the fall, back to the bottle in his hand. They just messed up.
kathy
I'm sure your right. It wasn't my intention to pick apart the scene itself, I just thought it was fun to watch. I did notice when I watched it again that I think you can see the bottle in his hand with the hat. Now that's talent. Bet his hat smelled good.
-
My friend went to the small theatre in Spain and he told me:
1. The night before Jack and Ennis went up on Brekeback they spent in Jack's car talking - that scene was in spain version of the movie!!!
2. Two unfamiliar faces in the trailer - when Jack came back after one year and Aguirre told him he doesn' t have any job for HIM , Jack wanted to go away, but those two men cought him and beat.
PS. But the first tent scene was censored in Spain - it ended in the moment when Jack takes off the coat :P
Fascinating! I came on this thread to ask a question and it happened to be the very first question on this thread, which is, where did they spend the first night? I can't believe you got to see a
scene from that night in Spain. Jeez they need to put in all these deleted scenes.
I pictured it more like one would sack out in the back of Jack's truck and one in the cab -- probably not together. Also, I can't picture them talking all night, Ennis being not too talkative of a guy. Boy do I need to see that scene.
I always think the guys in a mechanic's shop in the trailer were the guys who did Jack in by the road... Do you know for sure they were guys by Aguirre's office?
kathy
That's really fascinating,about those two characters that appeared on the trailer,but not in the movie.. :s)
that's a delete scene for sure
-
i have one that sounds a little bit stupid, remember the scene in which we see monroe for the first time well Ennis said Boss Called! why then he send postcards if he supposly had a phone it wasn't more easy?
I could be wrong about this Carlos, but if my memory doesn't fail me, Long distance phone calls were expensive back in the 60's and 70's. Plus, there was a record kept of the phone call and it was on your bill. There wasn't any urgency so the boys took the cheap way out. That would be my guess.
This is true. Long distance used to be a big huge deal, and people wrote cards and letters more often. Ennis wouldn't think of calling Jack; and would probably feel awkward about talking to him on the phone anyway.
kathy
In fact, long distance was so expensive that many people (my family, for instance) just had local phone service--they could not call long distance from their home phone.
On the other hand, until Carlos pointed it out, I assumed Ennis and Alma didn't have a phone (another thing experienced by me as a kid). In that case, "boss called" could still be handled in a couple of ways. Maybe there was a pay phone in the laundromat, and Ennis kept his ear cocked for it. Maybe the boss had an arrangement that, if needed, he would call at (a certain time) and Ennis was waiting for the call. Also, we used to live in an apartment and had a nice neighbor who let us use their phone when really needed. She would just bang on the wall when we got a call....
-
Very inventive, edgar, I'm impressed. But if they had a phone, Ennis couldn;t very well use it to call Jack - I remember trying to make phone calls in the States way back when, going through the operator, waiting about - it would have been far too chancy.