Brokeback Mountain Forum @ ennisjack.com
The Movie & Story => Characters, Quotes & Scenes => Topic started by: Rønnaug on Feb 14, 2006, 06:23 PM
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Ok, can't remember if i posted this before and certainly cannot find it if i did, but trying to get those animated gifs to work as an avatar on atnohter board and just sat there looking at the little one of the embrace at the reunion...and I noticed something... when they come together Jack sort of jump into Ennis' arms. Mayby cause Ennis is slightly taller but it looks like it :)
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IMO Jack not seen Ennis for 4 years, hes knows that Ennis is a contained sort of guy. When Ennis leans over with that great big grin on his face 'Jack F*cking Twist' and then runs down stairs to get to him, its EXACTLY the reaction Jack was hoping for, hell, i'd leap at him if he was that pleased to see me!xx
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IMO Jack not seen Ennis for 4 years, hes knows that Ennis is a contained sort of guy. When Ennis leans over with that great big grin on his face 'Jack F*cking Twist' and then runs down stairs to get to him, its EXACTLY the reaction Jack was hoping for, hell, i'd leap at him if he was that pleased to see me!xx
That is the greatest love scene I have ever sceen in my life. I totally believed these two were in love at this point. They each had four years to think about each other.
It starts with a joyous hug.
Then the delclarations of love ('son of a bitch')
Then the passionate/animalistic kiss.
Then the dizzying cool- down and assurance head nuzzle.
Beautiful.
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I love the head nuzzle....I love how heath grabs Jakey G's ears when he kisses him. I love that whole scene. It makes my heart beat very fast and I get a rush of excitement. It's such a happy moment. ;D
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oh yes....my heart pounds so hard and so fast I almost think it's going to jump out! I love EVERYTHING about this scene, it can do no wrong for me. Even the build up....Ennis pacing around the room, looking out of the window, then hearing the truck, and that smile when he sees Jack get out of the truck.....it's like "there he is, the love of my life".
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Jack f***ing Twist, after 4 long years, well to me this has to be one of the most intense moment. the way they hugged then that kissing scene was what dreams are made of, this for me is how I always dreamed loved would be shown between two men in life. when I was a young fellow I had my moment or two with my BBM man, he was married and everytime his wife would leave to go upstairs or late in the evening she'd go to bed early, he'd sneaked me a kiss under the radar, and he would say " how f***ing wonderful is that" eh that was then this is now, but memories are the glue that hold our lives in the later parts of one's life.
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I already posted this under "News Coverage Feb 13-19" (sorry for the repeat), but think it also fits perfectly here, with a spot-on description of the reunion:
6. 'Brokeback Mountain' (2005)
Cowboying up on "Brokeback Mountain," sheepherders Jack Twist (Jake Gyllenhaal) and Ennis Del Mar (Heath Ledger) fall into unlikely love. Boys without fathers or friends, these two loners create a sustaining community of two in the high country. Trouble is, they must come down from paradise -- and like the lovers in "Wuthering Heights," their passion makes them unfit for any but each other, unsuitable as husbands and fathers. Now, four years have passed, with intervening marriages and children, yet at first sight, the two men come together as though magnetized, in a face-smashing kiss so powerful, it's like two halves of one soul, one body violently re-uniting. That kiss speaks volumes, the words these mostly inarticulate men could never say -- and Ennis' wife, looking down at that hot embrace, turns away, her face turned gaunt by a loss this green girl doesn't yet understand.
http://movies.msn.com/movies/kisses_brokeback
That scene, it's beyond great. I could watch it on a loop forever. In slow-motion. :)
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oh yes....my heart pounds so hard and so fast I almost think it's going to jump out! I love EVERYTHING about this scene, it can do no wrong for me. Even the build up....Ennis pacing around the room, looking out of the window, then hearing the truck, and that smile when he sees Jack get out of the truck.....it's like "there he is, the love of my life".
Exactly. My heart goes into overdrive when Ennis receives the postcard from Jack . . .then the day of Jack's arrival, it seems as though Ennis puts on his best shirt. The pacing, the drinking, the smoking, looking out the window, slumped in the chair like he believes Jack isn't coming at all. Then the smile, racing down the stairs two at a time, the best kissing scene ever....oh, Ennis, I love you!
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I'm the same with this scene..
There are many sad scenes and hot scenes and downright nasty scenes (the violence of Ennis to Alma in the kitchen) but this scene is THE love scene for me.....the buildup the anticipation, the "Jack fu**in' Twist", the run to each other (For men afraid to show their emotions - RUNNING to each others arms) the embrace and that wonderful, tremendous kiss after 4 years .
This whole scene ending with the nuzzle is so sweet, and after seeing the movie for the first time, this is the scene more than any which gets me crying (cos I know how this joy will change to sorrow).
For me BBM was more than a love story, it was also a film of lost and wasted years, betrayals (by both men to their wives and by Jack to Ennis). But this KISS shows why Jack beleived they had a future together. I beleived at that point Ennis loved him so why shouldn't he.
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Like someone sayd somewhere, Jack went form "what the hell?" to "hell yeah" pretty quickly in that scene :) no wonder he suggested to Ennis that they ranch up together...
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The RELIEF I feel at this scene is part of its brilliance. The first time I saw it, I was surprised, relieved, and understood for the first time the depth of their love. The way the film works up to this, showing that the men APPEAR to go on with their lives, and then - OH, they so haven't!
I can only imagine how many times I will watch this scene when I get my dvd. It's the epitome of yearning, passion, deception (dare I say it? to self and others), love!. God this movie is incredible! I am just fine throughout the day, until I get on this site and start reading posts. Then, I just want to get myself to the theater!
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I too think the Reunion kiss is one of the most passionate, intense kisses I have ever seen.
To me, it could only be bettered by the kiss Ennis and Jack share on the second night in the tent, when Ennis goes reluctantly to Jack and gives himself, at first reluctantly, then totally. But i know this is the wrong thread to discuss that scene - sorry. IMO, the 2nd tent kiss scene, when Jack whispers 'It's alright' and then pushes Ennis over onto his back and they both kiss passionately - that is without a doubt the most memorable love scene of all time and I challenge anyone to find a more memorable love scene, in any film.
Alicat xx
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I'm the same with this scene..
There are many sad scenes and hot scenes and downright nasty scenes (the violence of Ennis to Alma in the kitchen) but this scene is THE love scene for me.....the buildup the anticipation, the "Jack f***in' Twist", the run to each other (For men afraid to show their emotions - RUNNING to each others arms) the embrace and that wonderful, tremendous kiss after 4 years .
This whole scene ending with the nuzzle is so sweet, and after seeing the movie for the first time, this is the scene more than any which gets me crying (cos I know how this joy will change to sorrow).
For me BBM was more than a love story, it was also a film of lost and wasted years, betrayals (by both men to their wives and by Jack to Ennis). But this KISS shows why Jack beleived they had a future together. I beleived at that point Ennis loved him so why shouldn't he.
Yeah, that running into each others arms.....so lovely. And when they do hug, my gosh, you think they'd crush each other, they're hugging each other so much and so hard! The only reason to stop hugging is to kiss! I cannot, and never will, get enough of this scene, this kiss, this reunion.....how Heath and Jake (but especially Heath) were able to create such passion and make it believable.....amazing.
The only thing that spoils it for me is Alma witnessing the kiss. I remember the first time I saw that scene, my heart was beating, and I was like "at last, Ennis has realised what he let go four years ago", then Alma sees, and I was like "oh no, no, you weren't supposed to see that". Purely selfish on my part, because I'd been enjoying seeing Ennis and Jack reunited so much!
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I too think the Reunion kiss is one of the most passionate, intense kisses I have ever seen.
To me, it could only be bettered by the kiss Ennis and Jack share on the second night in the tent, when Ennis goes reluctantly to Jack and gives himself, at first reluctantly, then totally. But i know this is the wrong thread to discuss that scene - sorry. IMO, the 2nd tent kiss scene, when Jack whispers 'It's alright' and then pushes Ennis over onto his back and they both kiss passionately - that is without a doubt the most memorable love scene of all time and I challenge anyone to find a more memorable love scene, in any film.
Alicat xx
No challenge here - I absolutely agree on both counts.
The hug at their reunion is just... I don't know... breathtaking, and so touching. They're just so purely "there" in that scene. When do we *ever* get to see two men hug and kiss each other with love and passion when we go watch a movie? I think that that's what appeals to me so much (among other things): that for once, it's not two men blowing each other up with gunfire, but blowing each other away with pure love.
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I too think the Reunion kiss is one of the most passionate, intense kisses I have ever seen.
To me, it could only be bettered by the kiss Ennis and Jack share on the second night in the tent, when Ennis goes reluctantly to Jack and gives himself, at first reluctantly, then totally. But i know this is the wrong thread to discuss that scene - sorry. IMO, the 2nd tent kiss scene, when Jack whispers 'It's alright' and then pushes Ennis over onto his back and they both kiss passionately - that is without a doubt the most memorable love scene of all time and I challenge anyone to find a more memorable love scene, in any film.
Alicat xx
No challenge here - I absolutely agree on both counts.
The hug at their reunion is just... I don't know... breathtaking, and so touching. They're just so purely "there" in that scene. When do we *ever* get to see two men hug and kiss each other with love and passion when we go watch a movie? I think that that's what appeals to me so much (among other things): that for once, it's not two men blowing each other up with gunfire, but blowing each other away with pure love.
Hi Jodie,
I agree, it is the passion with which they kiss which is so moving. But I am not sure why it is so moving: I don't think it is the fact it is two men - even though that in itself is very unusual in Hollywood. I think it is the acting of the two men on screen..had it been any other leading men, it may have fallen flat - but those two made it very real and unforgettable. There was serious chemistry between them which may not have worked, but it did in this case.
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"But I am not sure why it is so moving: I don't think it is the fact it is two men - even though that in itself is very unusual in Hollywood."
Right Alicat. What is so astonishing about this movie is the wide appeal (and strong reaction) of the audience. It really does transcend gender. It's a great love story (but that doesn't even begin to describe it - it's so much more). Yes, the forbidden love because of the same sex thing is crucial, but it's NOT about them being men. It's about the love (and yearning and passion and fear of discovery, and the missing each other.)
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as mention above it transcend gender, but something came to mind about this movie that I find maybe alot of us lack or need, that is " tenderness and touch " we in this day an age have become flustered about showing our vulnerability and our fondness of each other as human beings. I know there is always the lovy dovy that has the first time love and marry their sweethearts, but I know alot and alot of single and married people who yearn to be touched in the same manner Ennis and Jack felt for each other and this Feeling of Tenderness between each other is not seen with there wives, so maybe that is what we crave for, to follow our hearts instead of living by the norns and values society at large dictates, what we had been brougth up as being so Perfect isn't as perfect after all.
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mmhmmm.
Mark my words.. when VH1-One and Mtv and People Magazine and the other shows do thier Count Down's of 'The Year's Hottest Kiss', Jake and Heath with be right up there!
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mmhmmm.
Mark my words.. when VH1-One and Mtv and People Magazine and the other shows do thier Count Down's of 'The Year's Hottest Kiss', Jake and Heath with be right up there!
You bet..I hear E4 in the UK is already working on one!!!!
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E4 (UK) are working on what? A programme dedicated to great screen kisses? Oh my gosh, can't wait for that!!!! Ennis and Jack should be at number one, without a doubt! But which one would they show? Ummmm, as much as I adore the 2nd tent scene kiss, I'd have to go for the reunion one....just for the pure passion and chemistry between them!
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What i love is how well they convey the anticipation --- showing this in Ennis where he looks like he can't contain it .The roller coaster he's on when he waits. 4 YEARS OF LONGING THAT YOU TRY TO BURY.
We can only guess what Jack feels during the drive .
I'd read the story so knew what would happen but friends hadn't and the power of the kiss blew them away --- the whole cinema gasped. It seemed to make it real --- even more so than the tent scenes.
Did Ennis know how he'd react when he saw him ???
It seemed like nothing could have stopped that kiss from happening as soon as he could touch him .
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What i love is how well they convey the anticipation --- showing this in Ennis where he looks like he can't contain it .The roller coaster he's on when he waits. 4 YEARS OF LONGING THAT YOU TRY TO BURY.
We can only guess what Jack feels during the drive .
I'd read the story so knew what would happen but friends hadn't and the power of the kiss blew them away --- the whole cinema gasped. It seemed to make it real --- even more so than the tent scenes.
Did Ennis know how he'd react when he saw him ???
It seemed like nothing could have stopped that kiss from happening as soon as he could touch him .
Your're so right Jackie, he couldn't get down those stairs quick enough! I wonder if the beer Ennis had been drinking all afternoon helped him feel less inhibited than what he would normally! But still, the power of that beautiful kiss is something not even 4 bottles of beer could help create - it had to be instinctive and I think Ennis knew, from the "you bet" on the postcard, to wearing his best shirt, waiting patiently by the window....Ennis knew.
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Did Ennis know how he'd react when he saw him ???
It seemed like nothing could have stopped that kiss from happening as soon as he could touch him .
It don't matter if he knew or not that the kiss would happen.
What came across was that he was so het up he couldn't have stopped it if he wanted...........damn he just didn't care. Even though he looked around for a minute to see if no-one was there, the passion took over. Watch Jack's face, it looks like he thinks Ennis is going to hit him when he pushes him against the wall.............AND AFTERWARDs woooooeee! When Jack realises....the return kiss.........god what I'd give to be on either end of that. HOT! HOT! HOT!.
They both don't care so much that they don't hear the screen door open and bang shut (Quite loudly in fact).
This kiss is the best kiss I've seen on screen in many a long time (gay or straight) and better than the sex scenes for me. Maybe it had something to do with Michelle Phillips (great and wonderful as Alma). Heath Ledger who had just been seeing her at that point for a little while, says that she told him to really go for it, so that she'd be genuinely shocked by what she saw,
Hey Michelle! It worked for me.
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This embrace is what shows the electricity that exploded between Ennis and Jack. I thought when I first saw it, "I wish that were me!"
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It seemed like nothing could have stopped that kiss from happening as soon as he could touch him .
Exactly ! I agree totally with your reaction, Jackie. Four years he waited for Jack. A hug was never going to be enough.
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It seemed like nothing could have stopped that kiss from happening as soon as he could touch him .
Exactly ! I agree totally with your reaction, Jackie. Four years he waited for Jack. A hug was never going to be enough.
My thought exactly!
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So true! I loved all that build up, and that hug....wow, knew something special was coming after that! And we weren't disappointed!
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What I absolutely love about the reunion embrace/kiss is that it shows the sheer strength, energy, and (dare i say it) masculinity of two men loving each other. This isn't some fey, half-hearted, tragic stolen kiss. This is a full-on, man to man embrace where both men use their muscles to force each other as one. For me it really captures the true essence of gay love - the power and undeniability of it all. Two stars colliding. Totally.
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In the fanfic story Huuman Interest, Liz sees a kiss between Ennis and Jack and says something like, when two people kiss it is usually a kisser and a kissee, but here it seems more like two people fighting over who gets to be the kissee...and a fight where both wins :) I think that can be applied to this kiss
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Just found this thread (hey, I'm new here) and had to add my thoughts. This is my joint favourite scene, along with the SNIT, because it shows completely how strong the feelings were between Jack and Ennis and because this time it's Ennis taking the lead and opening himself up to Jack. The whole thing, from Ennis's anticipation to the obvious concern when he thinks Jack isn't coming, to the little smile when he hears the truck - and then "Jack f***in Twist"!!
When they hugged I thought maybe that would be all there was to it - but then you see the way that they look at each other after the hug and you just know there's much more to come. The passion, desire and urgency that Heath and Jake managed to convey in the scene is incredible and, obviously, the kiss itself (kisses?) is seriously hot. And then there's the way that Jack is still trying to kiss Ennis even as Ennis is trying to pull Jack's hands away - and the reassuring touch of Ennis's hand on Jack's face and *sigh* the nuzzle. The look on Jack's face as Ennis moves towards the appartment just finishes the scene perfectly - he's so shocked by what has just happened, so blown away by the fact that Ennis has shown so much passion and clearly so desperate to get Ennis alone somewhere.....
I have a feeling I may wear out that bit on my DVD ;D
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Just found this thread (hey, I'm new here) and had to add my thoughts. This is my joint favourite scene, along with the SNIT, because it shows completely how strong the feelings were between Jack and Ennis and because this time it's Ennis taking the lead and opening himself up to Jack. The whole thing, from Ennis's anticipation to the obvious concern when he thinks Jack isn't coming, to the little smile when he hears the truck - and then "Jack f***in Twist"!!
When they hugged I thought maybe that would be all there was to it - but then you see the way that they look at each other after the hug and you just know there's much more to come. The passion, desire and urgency that Heath and Jake managed to convey in the scene is incredible and, obviously, the kiss itself (kisses?) is seriously hot. And then there's the way that Jack is still trying to kiss Ennis even as Ennis is trying to pull Jack's hands away - and the reassuring touch of Ennis's hand on Jack's face and *sigh* the nuzzle. The look on Jack's face as Ennis moves towards the appartment just finishes the scene perfectly - he's so shocked by what has just happened, so blown away by the fact that Ennis has show so much passion and clearly so desperate to get Ennis alone somewhere.....
I have a feeling I may wear out that bit on my DVD ;D
Noreins, you are my perfect excuse for talking about all my favourite scenes again!!!!
Of course this is up there for me as one of my favourites (along with SNIT, aint no reins, falling asleep like a horse.....oh, ALL the scenes!). The passion on show here is unbelievable, so incredibly hot. But you can feel it can't you? When I saw it the second time, and you see Ennis pacing around the room, smoking and drinking, waiting for Jack, my friend turned to me and whispered "you can taste the anticipation, the waiting" and I think that is so right. Alma and Alma jr might as well not be there for all the attention Ennis pays to them. He's even taken the day off and is wearing his best shirt for this special day, that kind of confirms how Ennis is feeling!
And when Ennis hears the truck, he looks out of the window and that look. To me that says "yep, there he is, the love of my life".
I love the hug, I love the fact the brokeback music starts up as soon as Ennis starts jumping down the stairs 5 at a time, and then that HUG.....oh god, have you ever seen a hug like it? You hear Jack saying "son of a bitch", but it's the way Ennis scrunches his eyes so tightly shut, it's like he's scared if he opens them it will all be a dream. They can't hug each other tight enough can they? And then when they finally pull away from each other, Jack's eyes on Ennis's mouth and his hand on the back of his neck, you just know Ennis cannot resist! I am so glad Ennis took control and made the initial move because Jack needed that to know exactly how Ennis felt. There is so much passion to this scene, the kissing is just the accumulation of all of that. That kissing is so, so hot - I have watched this scene like a million times and NEVER get sick of it, am now having the pleasure of watching it in slo-mo at home! The slo-mo thing is great actually, you get see them touching each other and the looks on their faces so clearly. Their faces say it all, especially after the first kiss, when they realise what has happened and that they feel the same way.......I love the way Jack then takes control and pushes Ennis back into the wall and they are almost falling over each other to get to kiss each other, and Ennis grabs Jack's head to push himself further into him.
I love the way Ennis stops and looks around, kind of half-heartedly, like he feels that's what he should be doing, but Jack is desparately needing to kiss Ennis again. I adore the nuzzle too......gets me every time.....so gorgeous. I love the way Ennis, trying to regain some control, pushes Jack's hand away from him, but then almost straightaway touches Jack's face and then does the nuzzle.....it's like he is trying to keep touching Jack for as long as he possibly can. And Jack's face is a picture.....he's totally blown away by Ennis isn't he? I bet all he's thinking is "where's the nearest motel?".
Ok, so now I need a cold shower. ;)
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I bet all he's thinking is "where's the nearest motel?".
Ok, so now I need a cold shower. ;)
Heh heh - you bet that's what Jack's thinking ;D Pretty sure Ennis is thinking something along those lines too - especially when you see how nervy and excited he is when they go up to meet Alma. The nuzzle, and the way Ennis acts in the appartment all say "that kiss was just the start - wait till I get you alone"...
God, I really have to stop thinking about these scenes when I'm at work ;D
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The look on Jack's face as Ennis moves towards the appartment just finishes the scene perfectly - he's so shocked by what has just happened, so blown away by the fact that Ennis has show so much passion and clearly so desperate to get Ennis alone somewhere.....
That face! The moment I love most of this scene
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Ahhhhhh - thanks Frances :D
Those two screenshots are just gorgeous - almost enough to make me change allegiences from Ennis to Jack (or maybe I should say Heath to Jake?!)
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Nooooooooooo, don't say that!
Take a look at your own avatar and you won't change your mind! ;)
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Nooooooooooo, don't say that!
Take a look at your own avatar and you won't change your mind! ;)
Hey Frances! ;D
Where's your avatar? ???
I'm thinking you are an Ennis girl, is that right?
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I bet all he's thinking is "where's the nearest motel?".
Ok, so now I need a cold shower. ;)
Heh heh - you bet that's what Jack's thinking ;D Pretty sure Ennis is thinking something along those lines too - especially when you see how nervy and excited he is when they go up to meet Alma. The nuzzle, and the way Ennis acts in the appartment all say "that kiss was just the start - wait till I get you alone"...
God, I really have to stop thinking about these scenes when I'm at work ;D
I could talk about that nuzzle all day. Those pics showing Ennis and Jack looking at each other, just say SO SO much. There is so much love, and passion and longing in that look. 4 years in one look!
God, I really do need to get back to work!
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Nooooooooooo, don't say that!
Take a look at your own avatar and you won't change your mind! ;)
Hey, I said almost... ;)
God, I really do need to get back to work!
Ach, work's for folk who don't have Ennis/Heath and Jack/Jake to discuss ;D
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Hey Frances! ;D
Where's your avatar? ???
I'm thinking you are an Ennis girl, is that right?
OOOOOT : Of course I am. I am waiting for my 1000° posts, for my Ennis' post to choose one.
Ok, girls (Christie and NoReins) back to work! ;)
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Hey Frances! ;D
Where's your avatar? ???
I'm thinking you are an Ennis girl, is that right?
OOOOOT : Of course I am. I am waiting for my 1000° posts, for my Ennis' post to choose one.
Ok, girls (Christie and NoReins) back to work! ;)
Not long to go then.....can't wait to see what Ennis avatar you will choose.....I'm very excited about new Ennis avatars.
I may have to change mine now!
Yes Ma'am, am getting back to work right now! (otherwise I will get sacked!). ;)
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OT indeed :) please go to chit chat
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What I think is so poignant about this scene, too, is that it's the only time when we see Ennis and Jack together in one of their homes. Ennis comes bounding down the stairs to embrace Jack, then they go upstairs together (figuratively climbing the mountain again, perhaps?), then after that--they're only together in the wilderness. Literally and figuratively. No wonder they come together with such fire in this scene.
OK, now *I* really must get back to work! :)
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Of course this is up there for me as one of my favourites (along with SNIT, aint no reins, falling asleep like a horse.....oh, ALL the scenes!). The passion on show here is unbelievable, so incredibly hot. But you can feel it can't you? When I saw it the second time, and you see Ennis pacing around the room, smoking and drinking, waiting for Jack, my friend turned to me and whispered "you can taste the anticipation, the waiting" and I think that is so right. Alma and Alma jr might as well not be there for all the attention Ennis pays to them. He's even taken the day off and is wearing his best shirt for this special day, that kind of confirms how Ennis is feeling!
And when Ennis hears the truck, he looks out of the window and that look. To me that says "yep, there he is, the love of my life".
I love the hug, I love the fact the brokeback music starts up as soon as Ennis starts jumping down the stairs 5 at a time, and then that HUG.....oh god, have you ever seen a hug like it? You hear Jack saying "son of a bitch", but it's the way Ennis scrunches his eyes so tightly shut, it's like he's scared if he opens them it will all be a dream. They can't hug each other tight enough can they? And then when they finally pull away from each other, Jack's eyes on Ennis's mouth and his hand on the back of his neck, you just know Ennis cannot resist! I am so glad Ennis took control and made the initial move because Jack needed that to know exactly how Ennis felt. There is so much passion to this scene, the kissing is just the accumulation of all of that. That kissing is so, so hot - I have watched this scene like a million times and NEVER get sick of it, am now having the pleasure of watching it in slo-mo at home! The slo-mo thing is great actually, you get see them touching each other and the looks on their faces so clearly. Their faces say it all, especially after the first kiss, when they realise what has happened and that they feel the same way.......I love the way Jack then takes control and pushes Ennis back into the wall and they are almost falling over each other to get to kiss each other, and Ennis grabs Jack's head to push himself further into him.
I love the way Ennis stops and looks around, kind of half-heartedly, like he feels that's what he should be doing, but Jack is desparately needing to kiss Ennis again. I adore the nuzzle too......gets me every time.....so gorgeous. I love the way Ennis, trying to regain some control, pushes Jack's hand away from him, but then almost straightaway touches Jack's face and then does the nuzzle.....it's like he is trying to keep touching Jack for as long as he possibly can. And Jack's face is a picture.....he's totally blown away by Ennis isn't he? I bet all he's thinking is "where's the nearest motel?".
Ok, so now I need a cold shower. ;)
My gawd Christie! I'm reading this at work :P Now I just want to rush home and rerun this scene on my DVD player over and over again. This scene is definitely a high point for me. WOW!! THE PASSION!!
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Truly, City Slickin' Cowboy. I can't think of another movie kiss that comes anywhere near it. I love the way their faces scrunch up, almost as though they're so glad to be together--and so turned on by one another--that it's painful. I love the way that their struggle to gain control again before heading back upstairs to say goodbye to Alma parallels the struggle for control from FNIT. This time, though, Ennis's eyes are wide open--and he knows what he wants.
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Truly, City Slickin' Cowboy. I can't think of another movie kiss that comes anywhere near it. I love the way their faces scrunch up, almost as though they're so glad to be together--and so turned on by one another--that it's painful. I love the way that their struggle to gain control again before heading back upstairs to say goodbye to Alma parallels the struggle for control from FNIT. This time, though, Ennis's eyes are wide open--and he knows what he wants.
i think that is what the entire film is about, the fact that all they ever want is to be together and it shows so well here :)
Gonna watch it before I go to bed now :)
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I have never really paid attention to how close they are here......mostly in films when , at least two straight actors playing gay, kiss they are not so, well, close...
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Cain't ya just feel the tension?? :^^)
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Truly, City Slickin' Cowboy. I can't think of another movie kiss that comes anywhere near it. I love the way their faces scrunch up, almost as though they're so glad to be together--and so turned on by one another--that it's painful. I love the way that their struggle to gain control again before heading back upstairs to say goodbye to Alma parallels the struggle for control from FNIT. This time, though, Ennis's eyes are wide open--and he knows what he wants.
Yes!!! Ennis knew what he wanted!! It was so clear! If I had been Jack I would have been a little surprised too. I believe Jack was hoping for a warm reception from Ennis, but this had to be better than what he hoped for. This was a typical guy reunion until the moment they were looking closely at each other. The passion took over and woooo eeeee!!! YEAH!!! <^(
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Truly, City Slickin' Cowboy. I can't think of another movie kiss that comes anywhere near it. I love the way their faces scrunch up, almost as though they're so glad to be together--and so turned on by one another--that it's painful. I love the way that their struggle to gain control again before heading back upstairs to say goodbye to Alma parallels the struggle for control from FNIT. This time, though, Ennis's eyes are wide open--and he knows what he wants.
I love this because this is the only time in the movie we see Ennis actually initiate the passion (I know he enters the tent SNIT, but he doesn't make the first move). If that doesn't shout out "I love you, Jack and I've missed you, Jack," I don't know what does. I think they literally succumbed to the passion and disappeared into each other at that moment. I still can't believe they were able to pull themselves together like they did to go up to talk to Alma. They were as jittery as a Mexican jumping bean; they couldn't wait to put their hands all over each other. I bet that was the best sex of their lives. Okay, I need to get my ice trays out. :d)
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Ahhhhhh - thanks Frances :D
Those two screenshots are just gorgeous - almost enough to make me change allegiences from Ennis to Jack (or maybe I should say Heath to Jake?!)
That's funny, I'm more of a Jack/Jake girl myself, but I would switch allegiances just long enough to have Ennis growl/whisper "c'mere" and slam me up against the wall like that! :d)
I'd soon switch back though, when it's Jack's turn ;) I love how he's so stunned by Ennis kissing him like that, how it takes his breath away, but then, as soon as he gets his breath back, he looks at Ennis like "Yeah, anything you can do...", and then slams him against the other wall! Talk about intense, you can feel the heat coming off the screen :d)
I totally agree with what people have said about that kiss topping all the "best kiss" polls, not just now, but for years and years to come, I just can't imagine anything ever topping that :)
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I have never really paid attention to how close they are here......mostly in films when , at least two straight actors playing gay, kiss they are not so, well, close...
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Cain't ya just feel the tension?? :^^)
Clutch the pearls!! They are taking my breath away!
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That's funny, I'm more of a Jack/Jake girl myself, but I would switch allegiances just long enough to have Ennis growl/whisper "c'mere" and slam me up against the wall like that! :d)
I'd soon switch back though, when it's Jack's turn ;) I love how he's so stunned by Ennis kissing him like that, how it takes his breath away, but then, as soon as he gets his breath back, he looks at Ennis like "Yeah, anything you can do...", and then slams him against the other wall! Talk about intense, you can feel the heat coming off the screen :d)
I totally agree with what people have said about that kiss topping all the "best kiss" polls, not just now, but for years and years to come, I just can't imagine anything ever topping that :)
Oh yeah!!!!! I love the idea that they're challenging each other here--each kiss more intense than the last. I remember Jake G talking about this scene in an interview--"First you throw me into the wall, then I slam you into the wall . . . " Hot!!!!
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I don't think anybody said this yet...
When Ennis comes up to Jack, they're obviously both glad to see one another. But remember the last time Jack saw Ennis, Ennis just walked away and was cold. And Jack had been bruised by Ennis hitting him. Okay, that's all background.
So now watch the reunion scene again, and when Ennis first grabs Jack, for just *one little moment* Jack looks .... surprised, yes.... and also a tiny bit *frightened*, as if he thinks Ennis might hit him.
It's a neat moment, leading into the kiss.
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I have never really paid attention to how close they are here......mostly in films when , at least two straight actors playing gay, kiss they are not so, well, close...
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"They seized each other by the shoulders, hugging mightily, squeezing the breath out of each other, saying, son of a bitch, son of a bitch, then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together, and hard, Jack's big teeth bringing blood, his hat falling to the floor, stubble rasping, wet saliva welling, and the door opening and Alma looking out for a few seconds at Ennis's straining shoulders and shutting the door again and still they clinched, pressing chest and groin and thigh and leg together, treading on each other's toes until they pulled apart to breathe and Ennis, not big on endearments, said what he said to his horses and daughters, little darlin."
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and still they clinched, pressing chest and groin and thigh and leg together,
I think this is the one thing that does make this moment so believable, they are actually doing this the way it is described and not some silly hollywood kiss where all that meet are lips :)
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I don't think anybody said this yet...
When Ennis comes up to Jack, they're obviously both glad to see one another. But remember the last time Jack saw Ennis, Ennis just walked away and was cold. And Jack had been bruised by Ennis hitting him. Okay, that's all background.
So now watch the reunion scene again, and when Ennis first grabs Jack, for just *one little moment* Jack looks .... surprised, yes.... and also a tiny bit *frightened*, as if he thinks Ennis might hit him.
It's a neat moment, leading into the kiss.
Excellent observation. After the embrace, Jack didn't know the direction Ennis was heading for a few seconds. He was certainly taken by surprise. Jack had no idea he was going to get that kind of reception. I bet Jack figured he'd have to get Ennis liquored up good before he got so much of a peck on the cheek. Boy was he wrong! I think in this moment, Jack realized Ennis felt the same way about him as Jack felt about Ennis.
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I was reading through this and don't have too much to add- I'm feeling the need to go watch this scene repeatedly. ;)
After being apart for 4 years and merely existing- not living- they came together with such passion and urgency. I love that it's Ennis that initiates this kiss and Jack looks like he's going to cry at one point (at least to me). What a greeting! What a way to come back to life! And I do love how they did it as AP described. I can't get enough of this scene.
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I was reading through this and don't have too much to add- I'm feeling the need to go watch this scene repeatedly. ;)
After being apart for 4 years and merely existing- not living- they came together with such passion and urgency. I love that it's Ennis that initiates this kiss and Jack looks like he's going to cry at one point (at least to me). What a greeting! What a way to come back to life! And I do love how they did it as AP described. I can't get enough of this scene.
I also thought Jack looked like he was going to cry. It was probably the best moment of Jack's life. I don't think he could have spoken if he wanted to. There were no words. I must sprint off to watch it again!
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I have never really paid attention to how close they are here......mostly in films when , at least two straight actors playing gay, kiss they are not so, well, close...
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Cain't ya just feel the tension?? :^^)
What is that spot of "white" just behind Ennis' thigh in this picture? I've tried zooming, but then its out of the frame. Thought at first it may have been his shoe,like maybe he had his left leg bet at the knee, with his foot against the wall, so I went back to the scenes when he's pacing the living room waiting for Jack...he has on brown boots. Can anyone enlighten me?
Donna
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It's the railing (sp?) to hold onto as you go up and down the stairs :)
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Looking at the screen capture here, I am struck by the way in which they are leaning on each other--you can see Jack leaning into Ennis so much that one leg seems to be off the ground. I love the utter spontaneity, the passion, the way in which they completely dissolve into one another . . . . <^(
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Looking at the screen capture here, I am struck by the way in which they are leaning on each other--you can see Jack leaning into Ennis so much that one leg seems to be off the ground. I love the utter spontaneity, the passion, the way in which they completely dissolve into one another . . . . <^(
Looks like he is using his leg so that he pushes Ennis into the railing as hard as he can...
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I watched my DVD last night and played this scene in slow motion. I am so floored by the sutble expressions I miss when played at the normal speed. It's as though these two can't hold each other tight enough. Their eyes and smiles tell all during the embrace.
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I watched my DVD last night and played this scene in slow motion. I am so floored by the sutble expressions I miss when played at the normal speed. It's as though these two can't hold each other tight enough. Their eyes and smiles tell all during the embrace.
Oh yeah - slow motion is definitely the way to go in this scene! You can't see any of the expressions at normal speed.
Another thing I noticed in slo-mo was that when Jack slams Ennis back to the other wall and moves in for the kiss, they actually miss each other's lips first time but quickly readjust into a full on snog!
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I watched my DVD last night and played this scene in slow motion. I am so floored by the sutble expressions I miss when played at the normal speed. It's as though these two can't hold each other tight enough. Their eyes and smiles tell all during the embrace.
Oh yeah - slow motion is definitely the way to go in this scene! You can't see any of the expressions at normal speed.
Another thing I noticed in slo-mo was that when Jack slams Ennis back to the other wall and moves in for the kiss, they actually miss each other's lips first time but quickly readjust into a full on snog!
Yes slo-mo is definitely the way to watch this scene! You see so much more.
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It's the railing (sp?) to hold onto as you go up and down the stairs :)
Thanks Esme...I can see that now, lol....Duh %&)
Donna
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I have never really paid attention to how close they are here......mostly in films when , at least two straight actors playing gay, kiss they are not so, well, close...
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Cain't ya just feel the tension?? :^^)
Oh this scene is just gorgeous, and so so passionate. I love this screen cap, just seeing them holding on to each other, as close as they can possibly be.
You can so feel the tension Esme, the minute they kissed it was like - wow! - this is Ennis making up for 4 years, for not doing this 4 years ago when Jack so wanted him not to leave.
I love the bit when they pull away from each other for a second, and Ennis looks around - he's completely breathless, and Jack has hold of his shirt, and is desparately trying to kiss Ennis again. I love their faces when Ennis touches Jack's face - Jack is completely shocked to his core at what has just happened, and Ennis has just done the thing he has wanted to do, what has been inside of him for 4 years. Absolutely beautiful and passionate.
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I love that scene...I have seen it so many times and every time I watch music vids that's the scene that makes me smile "inside" !!!
There is so much tension, so much passion that comes out of this kiss.
It's like they are finalky being set free, 4 years of waiting and thinking and frustration!!
and finally this is it, they meet again!!! I think that in that scene, short story and movie, it is the first and probably only time that Ennis acts out of character...he doesn't even realise it, but like it is said before, all the fears of being seen ...poof...they just vanish...yes he does look, and does pull Jack to the stair case, but at the same time, I think that Ennis doesn't care ... he has Jack in front of him, and that's it!!! He is gone!!!
Jack on the other hand, he is still the dreamer, he looks hopeful (NI don't see him frightened! Curious maybe or unsure but not frightened IMO)
And after the shock of having Ennis kiss him, he finally kisses back!
This is one of my favourite scenes...so well acted...every time I see it, I get butterflies in my stomach...it's just so perfect, even better than what I had hoped for after reading AP's shirtstory!!
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I love that scene...I have seen it so many times and every time I watch music vids that's the scene that makes me smile "inside" !!!
There is so much tension, so much passion that comes out of this kiss.
It's like they are finalky being set free, 4 years of waiting and thinking and frustration!!
and finally this is it, they meet again!!! I think that in that scene, short story and movie, it is the first and probably only time that Ennis acts out of character...he doesn't even realise it, but like it is said before, all the fears of being seen ...poof...they just vanish...yes he does look, and does pull Jack to the stair case, but at the same time, I think that Ennis doesn't care ... he has Jack in front of him, and that's it!!! He is gone!!!
Jack on the other hand, he is still the dreamer, he looks hopeful (NI don't see him frightened! Curious maybe or unsure but not frightened IMO)
And after the shock of having Ennis kiss him, he finally kisses back!
This is one of my favourite scenes...so well acted...every time I see it, I get butterflies in my stomach...it's just so perfect, even better than what I had hoped for after reading AP's shirtstory!!
I agree Froggy.
Some people are actually in tears when they see this scene. And rightfully so. It is so moving. It is the epitome of love lost and found again.
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I love that scene...I have seen it so many times and every time I watch music vids that's the scene that makes me smile "inside" !!!
There is so much tension, so much passion that comes out of this kiss.
It's like they are finalky being set free, 4 years of waiting and thinking and frustration!!
and finally this is it, they meet again!!! I think that in that scene, short story and movie, it is the first and probably only time that Ennis acts out of character...he doesn't even realise it, but like it is said before, all the fears of being seen ...poof...they just vanish...yes he does look, and does pull Jack to the stair case, but at the same time, I think that Ennis doesn't care ... he has Jack in front of him, and that's it!!! He is gone!!!
Jack on the other hand, he is still the dreamer, he looks hopeful (NI don't see him frightened! Curious maybe or unsure but not frightened IMO)
And after the shock of having Ennis kiss him, he finally kisses back!
This is one of my favourite scenes...so well acted...every time I see it, I get butterflies in my stomach...it's just so perfect, even better than what I had hoped for after reading AP's shirtstory!!
Poof indeed ;)
I agree tho, it is so unlike Ennis, the only time he REALLY let's go... I just want to close my eyes every time Alma comes out and sees them. I love the two nights in the tent to but this is just so passionate and both of them are in it so much. And like I said earlier, they are indeede CLINGING to eachother...they need eachother
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I still remember the first time I saw this scene... I haven't read the short story before that so I didn't know what was coming. When they embraced, it was like fireworks exploding inside me... I thought, finally, FINALLY they're together. I felt like I was the one who waited four years for this to happen. Ennis shut his eyes and had this look that said "I can't believe it, he's finally in my arms again". And then when they pulled back and Ennis glanced around it was SO obvious that he wanted to kiss Jack, the sexual tension between them was so intense. But I didn't think he'd do it, because they were outside where people could see them, I honestly didn't expect that... So when Ennis grabbed Jack and pushed him onto the wall and kissed him that passionately it literally took my breath away, I think my heart had skipped a beat there! It was obvious that Ennis couldn't control himself, his feelings for Jack just flooded him and the passion took hold of him, and it was totally convincing. I think that Ennis had surprised himself as much as he surprised Jack, he didn't plan it, he just couldn't help it.
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keren your description has MY heart racing! <^(
The first time I saw this scene I was just blown away in awe.
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I still remember the first time I saw this scene... I haven't read the short story before that so I didn't know what was coming. When they embraced, it was like fireworks exploding inside me... I thought, finally, FINALLY they're together. I felt like I was the one who waited four years for this to happen. Ennis shut his eyes and had this look that said "I can't believe it, he's finally in my arms again". And then when they pulled back and Ennis glanced around it was SO obvious that he wanted to kiss Jack, the sexual tension between them was so intense. But I didn't think he'd do it, because they were outside where people could see them, I honestly didn't expect that... So when Ennis grabbed Jack and pushed him onto the wall and kissed him that passionately it literally took my breath away, I think my heart had skipped a beat there! It was obvious that Ennis couldn't control himself, his feelings for Jack just flooded him and the passion took hold of him, and it was totally convincing. I think that Ennis had surprised himself as much as he surprised Jack, he didn't plan it, he just couldn't help it.
I love reading your posts...this is another example why!!! Thank you x
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Thank you froggy! :^^)
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keren your description has MY heart racing! <^(
The first time I saw this scene I was just blown away in awe.
I'm right there with you, CSC!
Keren, your words have started the fireworks all over again ... ^f^
Have to admit, first time I saw this, couldn't think a damn thing ... just white noise in my head and under that a great big "OH .... MY ....GOD!!!!"! Pure heart-hammering emotion. That kiss still does that to me, everytime. "sigh"
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I'll second all the sentiment here - this scene is a monumental one in a monumental movie.
I think that one reason this scene has such a personal impact on us is because, at some level,
we all craze the intensity of emotion and love shown in this scene. In "real day to day life" how often, if
ever, do we get to feel and experience such passion and intensity? Typically, we become complacent
with the ones that we love. Personally, that is something that I have been working on after having
seen this move. I am trying to be less complacent and more expressive with my outward signs of affection
for my loved ones. Admittedly, I have been inconsistent with this, but, overall, I feel as though I have progressed.
I keep after myself to not allow myself to take the love in my life for granted. Like life itself, it is fragile
and can be taken away at anytime, as aptly shown in BBM, so it should be cherished...
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I'll second all the sentiment here - this scene is a monumental one in a monumental movie.
I think that one reason this scene has such a personal impact on us is because, at some level,
we all craze the intensity of emotion and love shown in this scene. In "real day to day life" how often, if
ever, do we get to feel and experience such passion and intensity? Typically, we become complacent
with the ones that we love. Personally, that is something that I have been working on after having
seen this move. I am trying to be less complacent and more expressive with my outward signs of affection
for my loved ones. Admittedly, I have been inconsistent with this, but, overall, I feel as though I have progressed.
I keep after myself to not allow myself to take the love in my life for granted. Like life itself, it is fragile
and can be taken away at anytime, as aptly shown in BBM, so it should be cherished...
You've said a mouthful rpmnh!! I've only had one person in my life where a similar reunion could have happened. He was the first person I thought of during my second viewing of this film. If a reunion could take place I would probably be an exact copy of Ennis from this scene.
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keren your description has MY heart racing! <^(
The first time I saw this scene I was just blown away in awe.
I'm right there with you, CSC!
Keren, your words have started the fireworks all over again ... ^f^
Have to admit, first time I saw this, couldn't think a damn thing ... just white noise in my head and under that a great big "OH .... MY ....GOD!!!!"! Pure heart-hammering emotion. That kiss still does that to me, everytime. "sigh"
Me too - every single time I watch I get a flutter in my stomach and I feel the tears welling because it's just so beautiful and so damn right.
How anyone can say that love like that shouldn't be, I will never understand ^*()
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This is the most wonderful representation of an explosion of repressed longing and need for closeness and the desire to crawl under the skin of the one you love.
It's also how every reunion should be, and often isn't, which is why it's so affecting. the daily routine has a deadening effect, and it's possible to see Jack and Ennis as free of this and able to experience the intensity of first love over and over in their infrrquent meetings. But the attraction of this is that it's so spontaneous, an outpouring of feeling that they can't control and that Ennis barely has the presence of mind to hide from the public gaze. Yet that iisn't worrying - this is something so private no-one would want it on display.
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Me too - every single time I watch I get a flutter in my stomach and I feel the tears welling because it's just so beautiful and so damn right.
How anyone can say that love like that shouldn't be, I will never understand ^*()
No kidding! What are "they" afraid of, that "they" have to meet love with hate?? We should all be lucky enough to have someone love us so much they'd kiss us that way! And to hang on to a relationship under hellish conditions for 20 years! This reunion scene completely demonstrates how powerful love is, whomever you feel it for. How can you ask someone to turn away from the best part of their humanity?? I'm sure they both held the memory of this moment in their hearts as things got more difficult for them. Like a touchstone to get them through the hard days apart.
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I still remember the first time I saw this scene... I haven't read the short story before that so I didn't know what was coming. When they embraced, it was like fireworks exploding inside me... I thought, finally, FINALLY they're together. I felt like I was the one who waited four years for this to happen. Ennis shut his eyes and had this look that said "I can't believe it, he's finally in my arms again". And then when they pulled back and Ennis glanced around it was SO obvious that he wanted to kiss Jack, the sexual tension between them was so intense. But I didn't think he'd do it, because they were outside where people could see them, I honestly didn't expect that... So when Ennis grabbed Jack and pushed him onto the wall and kissed him that passionately it literally took my breath away, I think my heart had skipped a beat there! It was obvious that Ennis couldn't control himself, his feelings for Jack just flooded him and the passion took hold of him, and it was totally convincing. I think that Ennis had surprised himself as much as he surprised Jack, he didn't plan it, he just couldn't help it.
Keren, what a wonderful post! I love hearing about how people reacted when they watched certain scenes, and this is probably the one that blew me away the most, as in not expecting what happened to actually happen! I remember watching it with my friend, and the scene when Ennis is sitting by the window, and pacing around, getting another drink, smoking another cigarette, tapping his leg impatiently, hardly acknowledging Alma or Jnrs existence in the same room, and I remember saying to my friend "you can taste the tension and the anticipation".....the way Heath was able to convey the longing he had for Jack to arrive was amazing. And I have to agree with you Keren, I honestly didnt have any clue at all that Ennis would react that way, that he would grab Jack, push him back into the wall and kiss him so passionately, so strongly......I think I probably felt how Jack looked!!! Totally taken by surprise, but so so glad Ennis had taken the plunge and given into his desires. I think Ennis didnt know how he was going to react either, but seeing Jack, the way they hugged, breathing the life out of each other, he probably knew then that there was only one course of action and that was to show Jack how much he had missed him. I remember feeling so happy for Ennis that he kissed Jack, and happy for Jack that his 14 hour drive had been worth it!
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I remember feeling so happy for Ennis that he kissed Jack, and happy for Jack that his 14 hour drive had been worth it!
I'll say..... :P :^^) :d) >:D
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happy for Jack that his 14 hour drive had been worth it!
Definatly... what was Jack expecting... honestly....Ennis had punched him and told him he would marry Alma instead of see him again last time they saw eachother...he could have gotten a hello, handshake, had to buy a beer and then a goodbye :)
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I agree, MissRed,they always had this as a memory , " something to hold in the heart against the long cold" as a poet once wrote.
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happy for Jack that his 14 hour drive had been worth it!
Definatly... what was Jack expecting... honestly....Ennis had punched him and told him he would marry Alma instead of see him again last time they saw eachother...he could have gotten a hello, handshake, had to buy a beer and then a goodbye :)
We know that Jack was probably hoping for Ennis to realise that they were meant to be together, but he probably had no idea that Ennis would express himself the way he did.....I mean, the way he shoved him towards that wall, it was either going to be a punch or a kiss, and Jack's face tells me he was expecting Ennis' fist in his face, not his mouth!!! ;)
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I mean, the way he shoved him towards that wall, it was either going to be a punch or a kiss, and Jack's face tells me he was expecting Ennis' fist in his face, not his mouth!!! ;)
Yes...it was said earlier he went from what the hell to hell yeah pretty fast lol
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I'm welling up with tears reading these new posts. :\'( This scene is so powerful I don't know if the film industry will ever produce anything in the future that will match this intensity.
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I'm welling up with tears reading these new posts. :\'( This scene is so powerful I don't know if the film industry will ever produce anything in the future that will match this intensity.
I don't know if they ever will, either, but at least we have this immortalized on screen. It will always be remembered as one of the greatest filmic embraces of all time. Takes my breath away.
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I'm so glad they won best kiss. YIPPEE!!!!!! &**)
Donna
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I'm so glad they won best kiss. YIPPEE!!!!!! &**)
Donna
They did! I thought the awards weren't until Thursday night? How do you know it thing Donna?
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I'm so glad they won best kiss. YIPPEE!!!!!! &**)
Donna
They did! I thought the awards weren't until Thursday night? How do you know it thing Donna?
It was recorded the other night Patriot1 - there's a whole thread in the awards subforum....
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I'm so glad they won best kiss. YIPPEE!!!!!! &**)
Donna
They did! I thought the awards weren't until Thursday night? How do you know it thing Donna?
It was recorded the other night Patriot1 - there's a whole thread in the awards subforum....
My goodness, it appears you go away for a few days and wonderful things happen!
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Yes, and it's going to be shown over here on MTV, and I haven't got it and don;t know anyone who does. HOW AM I GOING TO COPE?
I'm so happy that they won - it's one of my favourite scenes and totaslly convincing and moving.
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Yes, and it's going to be shown over here on MTV, and I haven't got it and don;t know anyone who does. HOW AM I GOING TO COPE?
I'm so happy that they won - it's one of my favourite scenes and totaslly convincing and moving.
I've got MTV, but I'm going to be away when it's shown ::)
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I'm so glad they won best kiss. YIPPEE!!!!!! &**)
Donna
Yeee!!! Finally, the best kiss eoy our beloved boys,and what a kissssssss :^^) :^^)
:cr) ^f^
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What I love most about this scene is that Ennis initiates it.
From the moment that he hears Jack's piece of shit truck pull into the parking lot, you can feel his anxiety and overwhelming excitement right through the screen, and he gives us his rare smile...
It is such an emotional payoff to see Ennis completely out of control.
After all of Jack's wondering and waiting and getting shot down and humiliated in Aguirre's trailer, you can feel Jack's heart soar when he sees the truth for what it is: the man he loves loves him back.
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What I love most about this scene is that Ennis initiates it.
From the moment that he hears Jack's piece of shit truck pull into the parking lot, you can feel his anxiety and overwhelming excitement right through the screen, and he gives us his rare smile...
It is such an emotional payoff to see Ennis completely out of control.
After all of Jack's wondering and waiting and getting shot down and humiliated in Aguirre's trailer, you can feel Jack's heart soar when he sees the truth for what it is: the man he loves loves him back.
Amen to that, hpv!! This would have to be one of Jack's best memories of Ennis, proving he's not in this alone ... this passionate reunion, along with Ennis coming to him on his own accord the SNIT and the dozy embrace are the few moments we're allowed to see of Ennis taking the initiative, as you say! Beautiful synopsis, hpv. :t)
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What I love most about this scene is that Ennis initiates it.
From the moment that he hears Jack's piece of shit truck pull into the parking lot, you can feel his anxiety and overwhelming excitement right through the screen, and he gives us his rare smile...
It is such an emotional payoff to see Ennis completely out of control.
After all of Jack's wondering and waiting and getting shot down and humiliated in Aguirre's trailer, you can feel Jack's heart soar when he sees the truth for what it is: the man he loves loves him back.
Amen to that, hpv!! This would have to be one of Jack's best memories of Ennis, proving he's not in this alone ... this passionate reunion, along with Ennis coming to him on his own accord the SNIT and the dozy embrace are the few moments we're allowed to see of Ennis taking the initiative, as you say! Beautiful synopsis, hpv. :t)
Indeed, a beautiful synopsis. Love wonderfully given, and love wonderfully returned.
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What amazes me about this scene now is the way in which, when they pull away, Ennis is panting and he closes his eyes for a second before the head nuzzle--you can see him fighting to control himself, relief and lust and love all at war within him. He initiates the embrace, but also chooses to end it--telling Jack that they'll be alone together again soon.
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What amazes me about this scene now is the way in which, when they pull away, Ennis is panting and he closes his eyes for a second before the head nuzzle--you can see him fighting to control himself, relief and lust and love all at war within him. He initiates the embrace, but also chooses to end it--telling Jack that they'll be alone together again soon.
I love that---Ennis is as close to letting himself go here as he ever has. But that inner voice tells him to rein it in and not let go completely. It's so representative of Ennis' internal struggles----on one hand, his passion and love for Jack was overwhelming ("no reins") but on the other hand, he pulled away and suppressed it when he had to (he could make it on a couple of high altitude f**ks a year). Still, Ennis struggling to regain his composure is pretty damn sexy. :d)
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I know it was already posted that the boys won for Best Kiss on the MTV awards, but i didn't see any comment on the wonderful acceptance speech given by Jake. And I quote "It's an honor, to me and Heath and all of you that you picked this movie and this kiss over all the others. It is a big deal. It IS a big deal." At least that is as close as I can remember, but it's pretty accurate. Love those words and I love the passion that they were spoken with.
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I know it was already posted that the boys won for Best Kiss on the MTV awards, but i didn't see any comment on the wonderful acceptance speech given by Jake. And I quote "It's an honor, to me and Heath and all of you that you picked this movie and this kiss over all the others. It is a big deal. It IS a big deal." At least that is as close as I can remember, but it's pretty accurate. Love those words and I love the passion that they were spoken with.
I think he was overwhelmed that this scene (two MEN) won over some big heavyweights! Passion is passion, and they brought it!
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I'm just glad the MTV world could recognize it. There's certainly never been any other kiss I've seen in a film that could make me feel weak and fluttery EVERY time I see it, even now after all these viewings. I never thought that any piece of art could hit me this hard--but it does, it does.
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I'm welling up with tears reading these new posts. :\'( This scene is so powerful I don't know if the film industry will ever produce anything in the future that will match this intensity.
mmmhmm. they only thing more powerful in film history was when Jake's backside shows up on screen. O0
The reunion scene is right up there!
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I had a bit of a reunion kiss-fest today and watched it about 10 times in a row.....you know when Ennis pulls away, and Jack is desparately trying to kiss Ennis again, and then the camera zooms in on them, close as can be without them actually kissing, I love the way Ennis looks at Jack, just before he touches his face. His face is full of love, of longing, of desire, of 4 years worth of waiting for this moment.
I adore the head nuzzle, its probably my favourite part, but this bit before it has just jumped out at me and I love it.
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I'm just glad the MTV world could recognize it. There's certainly never been any other kiss I've seen in a film that could make me feel weak and fluttery EVERY time I see it, even now after all these viewings. I never thought that any piece of art could hit me this hard--but it does, it does.
It's voted by the public..that's what makes it even better!!
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It's voted by the public..that's what makes it even better!!
And I am proud to say that I was one of the voting public who did indeed cast a vote for Heath and Jake on the MTV site! :)
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What amazes me about this scene now is the way in which, when they pull away, Ennis is panting and he closes his eyes for a second before the head nuzzle--you can see him fighting to control himself, relief and lust and love all at war within him. He initiates the embrace, but also chooses to end it--telling Jack that they'll be alone together again soon.
I love that---Ennis is as close to letting himself go here as he ever has. But that inner voice tells him to rein it in and not let go completely. It's so representative of Ennis' internal struggles----on one hand, his passion and love for Jack was overwhelming ("no reins") but on the other hand, he pulled away and suppressed it when he had to (he could make it on a couple of high altitude f**ks a year). Still, Ennis struggling to regain his composure is pretty damn sexy. :d)
That is interesting your saying that Ennis could make it on a coupla high altitude F...ks a year.
That is so true, he could suppress his feelings , where Jack couldn't or wouldn't.
That reunion scene was total confirmation to Ennis how he really felt about Jack. Scared the
shit out of him I bet.
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What amazes me about this scene now is the way in which, when they pull away, Ennis is panting and he closes his eyes for a second before the head nuzzle--you can see him fighting to control himself, relief and lust and love all at war within him. He initiates the embrace, but also chooses to end it--telling Jack that they'll be alone together again soon.
I love that---Ennis is as close to letting himself go here as he ever has. But that inner voice tells him to rein it in and not let go completely. It's so representative of Ennis' internal struggles----on one hand, his passion and love for Jack was overwhelming ("no reins") but on the other hand, he pulled away and suppressed it when he had to (he could make it on a couple of high altitude f**ks a year). Still, Ennis struggling to regain his composure is pretty damn sexy. :d)
That is interesting your saying that Ennis could make it on a coupla high altitude F...ks a year.
That is so true, he could suppress his feelings , where Jack couldn't or wouldn't.
That reunion scene was total confirmation to Ennis how he really felt about Jack. Scared the
shit out of him I bet.
Yes, I did think that Ledger did this beautifully -- almost not believing the intensity of his reaction... It affirmed what he knew deep inside during those 4 years: he coudn't forget Jack.
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I had a bit of a reunion kiss-fest today and watched it about 10 times in a row.....you know when Ennis pulls away, and Jack is desparately trying to kiss Ennis again, and then the camera zooms in on them, close as can be without them actually kissing, I love the way Ennis looks at Jack, just before he touches his face. His face is full of love, of longing, of desire, of 4 years worth of waiting for this moment.
I adore the head nuzzle, its probably my favourite part, but this bit before it has just jumped out at me and I love it.
Yes, the nuzzle is my favorite part too... one thing i notice too...
right before the nuzzle, see Jack go in for more lovin' and Ennis kinda pulls his off. Look how hungry Jack looks as he tries to get more of his lover while Ennis reins it in so them two can pull it together, go an obligitory ' bye' to Alma , then hot foot it to the nearest motel.
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Yes, the nuzzle is my favorite part too... one thing i notice too...
right before the nuzzle, see Jack go in for more lovin' and Ennis kinda pulls his off. Look how hungry Jack looks as he tries to get more of his lover while Ennis reins it in so them two can pull it together, go an obligitory ' bye' to Alma , then hot foot it to the nearest motel.
I think everyone who likes this scene is so touched by the head nuzzle. It's a very quick and small gesture, yet it speaks volumes of Ennis's feelings towards seeing Jack after 4 years.
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Yes, the nuzzle is my favorite part too... one thing i notice too...
right before the nuzzle, see Jack go in for more lovin' and Ennis kinda pulls his off. Look how hungry Jack looks as he tries to get more of his lover while Ennis reins it in so them two can pull it together, go an obligitory ' bye' to Alma , then hot foot it to the nearest motel.
I think everyone who likes this seen is so touched by the head nuzzle. It's a very quick and small gesture, yet it speaks volumes of Ennis's feelings towards seeing Jack after 4 years.
I think that the head nuzzle is the "little darlin" that we don't here, but is in the book. I love it <^(
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I think that the head nuzzle is the "little darlin" that we don't here, but is in the book. I love it <^(
OOH, yes, Twisted That's it!
I like that. I guess we did get our 'lil darlin'" after all!
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I think that the head nuzzle is the "little darlin" that we don't here, but is in the book. I love it <^(
OOH, yes, Twisted That's it!
I like that. I guess we did get our 'lil darlin'" after all!
I have always thinked that the nuzzle is the little darlin :) It's so sweet <^( *sigh*
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It's amazing how you can watch Jack in this scene go from "son of a bitch," so glad just to see and hug Ennis--to "gotta have you right now," unable to drag his eyes away from Ennis's lips, unable to believe the powerful emotion that Ennis is letting him see.
Yes, the nuzzle, the nuzzle--says it all, along with Jack's hungry look up at Ennis as they're beginning to ascend the stairs. Wow!!
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It's amazing how you can watch Jack in this scene go from "son of a bitch," so glad just to see and hug Ennis--to "gotta have you right now," unable to drag his eyes away from Ennis's lips, unable to believe the powerful emotion that Ennis is letting him see.
Yes, the nuzzle, the nuzzle--says it all, along with Jack's hungry look up at Ennis as they're beginning to ascend the stairs. Wow!!
I keep forgetting to mention Jack's look as they separate. To me it says "Dude...I'm yours!"
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It's amazing how you can watch Jack in this scene go from "son of a bitch," so glad just to see and hug Ennis--to "gotta have you right now," unable to drag his eyes away from Ennis's lips, unable to believe the powerful emotion that Ennis is letting him see.
Yes, the nuzzle, the nuzzle--says it all, along with Jack's hungry look up at Ennis as they're beginning to ascend the stairs. Wow!!
I thought they were going to squeeze the life out of each other when they first hugged. I love how they shut their eyes tight and hold on, just soaking in the feel of each other after all those years. Then, the look on both of their faces when they pull apart; Jack can't take his eyes off of Ennis' lips and Ennis looks all nervous and then thinks, what the hell, and slams Jack back for that kiss. It blows me away every time. I absolutely loved the dazed look on Jack's face when Ennis finally regains some control and literally peels Jack off of him. Then the nuzzle; oh, it drives me insane. That nuzzle definitely says, "we're not through yet." :d)
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It's amazing how you can watch Jack in this scene go from "son of a bitch," so glad just to see and hug Ennis--to "gotta have you right now," unable to drag his eyes away from Ennis's lips, unable to believe the powerful emotion that Ennis is letting him see.
Yes, the nuzzle, the nuzzle--says it all, along with Jack's hungry look up at Ennis as they're beginning to ascend the stairs. Wow!!
I thought they were going to squeeze the life out of each other when they first hugged. I love how they shut their eyes tight and hold on, just soaking in the feel of each other after all those years. Then, the look on both of their faces when they pull apart; Jack can't take his eyes off of Ennis' lips and Ennis looks all nervous and then thinks, what the hell, and slams Jack back for that kiss. It blows me away every time. I absolutely loved the dazed look on Jack's face when Ennis finally regains some control and literally peels Jack off of him. Then the nuzzle; oh, it drives me insane. That nuzzle definitely says, "we're not through yet." :d)[/i]
OMG, the nuzzle makes me melt every time, as does Ennis's "later" <^( The way Ennis goes from the wild outburst of passion of the kiss, to that tender, reassuring touch and soft whisper,it's what makes the scene stand out from most movie kisses, it's the aftermath, as much as the kiss itself, that takes my breath away. Jack had waited four years for that kiss, he didn't want it to end, but Ennis nuzzling his face reassures him that he won't have to wait that long this time :) Although, saying that, thae conversation with Alma must have felt to both of them like it lasted four years, they couldn't get away fast enough ;D
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Ah thank you....the topic is called the reunion embrace so no problem posting that ;)
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I've just enough time to watch this scene again..and again!
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Thanks for posting this screencap, christie. Looking at it again, I'm struck by the parallels between it and SNIT in terms of eyes open/eyes shut, Jack makes a move/Ennis makes a move. In SNIT, Ennis goes to Jack first--but Jack touches his arm, looks him in the eye, lets him know it's going to be OK, before Ennis is able to relax with him. Here, Jack has come to visit and both are eager for the initial embrace--but of course it's Ennis who first shoves Jack into the wall and both of them alternately devour one another with their eyes (no shyness in looking this time!) and close their eyes in relief to finally be together. I find Ennis's tightly shut eyes particularly touching.
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I know we've analyzed this scene by the millisecond...but besides every single other moment there is to love about it...there is, at the very beginning of the hug, the jumping into each other's arms, before Jack's "sonofabitch," Ennis lets out this big breathless grunt-groan-ooommpphh sound. Marvelous.
I saw/heard this in the trailer just now, on another thread. But after reading this reunion thread, I have to go watch this again and again...
kathy
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I love the shot from above of Jack getting ut of his pickup - his destiny and Ennis's there before them.
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I love the way Ennis' eyes are shut tight, hardly believing he's got Jack in his arms once again. Probably scared to open them again in case its all a dream.
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I love the way Ennis' eyes are shut tight, hardly believing he's got Jack in his arms once again. Probably scared to open them again in case its all a dream.
Beautiful.
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Adding to all the wonderful observations above, I love the way Ennis skips a stair or two hurrying down the steps to grab Jack. Ennis, after all, had been waiting on pins and needles all day for Jack to show up, not sure if he would. When Jack shows up, Ennis just can't contain his emotions. He runs into the arms of his Li'l Darlin'. Sigh. <^(
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Adding to all the wonderful observations above, I love the way Ennis skips a stair or two hurrying down the steps to grab Jack. Ennis, after all, had been waiting on pins and needles all day for Jack to show up, not sure if he would. When Jack shows up, Ennis just can't contain his emotions. He runs into the arms of his Li'l Darlin'. Sigh. <^(
The screenplay actually specifies that he skips a step while going down. heath did this in such a beautiful and spontaneous manner. He skipped the LAST few steps, as if the final leg was too much for him to not bridge.
I love Jake's smile of pleasure as he see's Ennis for the first time in 4 years. And the look of utter surprise in his face when he gets thrown against th wall. It gets to me every time...
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Adding to all the wonderful observations above, I love the way Ennis skips a stair or two hurrying down the steps to grab Jack. Ennis, after all, had been waiting on pins and needles all day for Jack to show up, not sure if he would. When Jack shows up, Ennis just can't contain his emotions. He runs into the arms of his Li'l Darlin'. Sigh. <^(
He's like a kid who's just woken up on Christmas morning,isn't he?(insert joke about "unwrapping his present" here ;) ;D). The way he rushes out of the door like the house is on fire, without so much as a glance at Alma, let alone a word to tell her that Jack's here at last,the second he sees Jack, everything else ceases to exist.
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I echo all your comments here! This scene is so brilliantly acted, down to perfection, and all those little details that you all mentioned is what makes it so real.
I was just thinking - as far as I understood from interviews, Ang didn't the boys much instruction during the shooting, he talked to them previous to the shooting (the pre-production part) but then he pretty much left it up to them. In the Oprah interview Jake described how they approached this scene and how they talked about it ("Heath, you're gonna grab me, and then you're gonna throw me onto the wall, and then I'm gonna throw you onto the wall...") so if I get this right, they not only acted their parts here, they totally choreographed that scene! All those little details - the way they shut their eyes, how Jack holds on to Ennis's shirt like he can't let go and keep going after his lips, the head nuzzle - it must've been their own ideas, no directions from Ang... these guys are amazing!
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All those little details - the way they shut their eyes, how Jack holds on to Ennis's shirt like he can't let go and keep going after his lips, the head nuzzle - it must've been their own ideas, no directions from Ang... these guys are amazing!
I love the closing sequence of that scene. It is so intense. You really can't fault them in any way. There is no doubt in my mind that they deserved the MTV award for Best Kiss. All the other competitors had a fake, look-to-be-torrid feeling about them (with all the tiresome tongue-play and all that). The reunion kiss is simply faultless. What we see is true yearning: that is the true originator of the passion in that kiss.
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All those little details - the way they shut their eyes, how Jack holds on to Ennis's shirt like he can't let go and keep going after his lips, the head nuzzle - it must've been their own ideas, no directions from Ang... these guys are amazing!
I love the closing sequence of that scene. It is so intense. You really can't fault them in any way. There is no doubt in my mind that they deserved the MTV award for Best Kiss. All the other competitors had a fake, look-to-be-torrid feeling about them (with all the tiresome tongue-play and all that). The reunion kiss is simply faultless. What we see is true yearning: that is the true originator of the passion in that kiss.
It was beautiful work on both their parts, wasn't it? Letting the emotion drive the actions, rather than having the actions merely mimic the emotions, which is the sense I get from the majority of love scenes including the other candidates for Best Kiss.
For most love scenes it feels like the participants are posing for the camera; they're aware of it's presence. During this reunion embrace between Jack and Ennis they are as unaware of our witness to their private moment as they were of Alma. We are voyeurs to their passion, making the moment painfully intimate.
...there is, at the very beginning of the hug, the jumping into each other's arms, before Jack's "sonofabitch," Ennis lets out this big breathless grunt-groan-ooommpphh sound. Marvelous.
kathy
kathy, I love that wordless expressing of four years yearning!
And ... sadly ... I compare it to another small, involuntary grunt of air ... this one of pain, when Ennis first reads that dreaded postcard returned stamped "deceased".
These two physical articulations for emotions that can't be articulated with words put parenthesis to their whole affair for me ... beginning and end. :\'(
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It's the way the world goes away for them, even Ennis, for a few minutes - all that exists is the physical presence of the other, and then the significance of their being there together and the danger lurking just out of sight - it's such an intense scene.
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It was beautiful work on both their parts, wasn't it? Letting the emotion drive the actions, rather than having the actions merely mimic the emotions, which is the sense I get from the majority of love scenes including the other candidates for Best Kiss.
For most love scenes it feels like the participants are posing for the camera; they're aware of it's presence. During this reunion embrace between Jack and Ennis they are as unaware of our witness to their private moment as they were of Alma. We are voyeurs to their passion, making the moment painfully intimate.
As you said to kathy, it is powerful wordless expression. We are voyeurs to their passion, making the moment painfully intimate. Indeed, we are. And we are prisoners of their renewed love.
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All I remember when I saw this scene for the first time,is,that I stoped breathing,
from the moment they lips touch, until Alma appeared at the door,I was so astonished :-X
:^^) :^^)
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All I remember when I saw this scene for the first time,is,that I stooped breathing,
from the moment they lips touch, until Alma appeared at the door,I was so astonished :-X
:^^) :^^)
In all my viewings at the movie theatres, the reunion kiss (the part before Alma spies both of them) is that part of the movie when you can hear a pin drop. It is wonderful to see everyone fall silent during this scene.
No giggles. No guffaws. Silence.
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All I remember when I saw this scene for the first time,is,that I stooped breathing,
from the moment they lips touch, until Alma appeared at the door,I was so astonished :-X
:^^) :^^)
In all my viewings at the movie theatres, the reunion kiss (the part before Alma spies both of them) is that part of the movie when you can hear a pin drop. It is wonderful to see everyone fall silent during this scene.
No giggles. No guffaws. Silence.
I' actually heard a couple of "oh sh*ts" when Alma opens the door and a couple of nervous giggles from people in the theater. Me, I about fell out of my chair the first time I saw it. Couldn't speak if I would have wanted to. I'm bad, but I wanted them to cut from Alma real quick right back to the action. >:D
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All I remember when I saw this scene for the first time,is,that I stooped breathing,
from the moment they lips touch, until Alma appeared at the door,I was so astonished :-X
:^^) :^^)
In all my viewings at the movie theatres, the reunion kiss (the part before Alma spies both of them) is that part of the movie when you can hear a pin drop. It is wonderful to see everyone fall silent during this scene.
No giggles. No guffaws. Silence.
I' actually heard a couple of "oh sh*ts" when Alma opens the door and a couple of nervous giggles from people in the theater. Me, I about fell out of my chair the first time I saw it. Couldn't speak if I would have wanted to. I'm bad, but I wanted them to cut from Alma real quick right back to the action. >:D
I know how you feel! Knowing the reunion was on the cards i was that relieved when it finally happened I wanted Alma to take a back seat for a while, and let me feast my eyes on the boys getting it together again :)
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I' actually heard a couple of "oh sh*ts" when Alma opens the door and a couple of nervous giggles from people in the theater. Me, I about fell out of my chair the first time I saw it. Couldn't speak if I would have wanted to. I'm bad, but I wanted them to cut from Alma real quick right back to the action. >:D
When I first saw this scene I felt my mouth drop to the floor when Alma came to the door. It was as if I was as stunned as she was. Then it was back to Jack & Ennis again. After my first viewing, I played this scene over and over in my mind. I can't ever remember feeling such a range of emotions from one scene. Anticipation, joy, passion, shock, and composure...all in one scene. At that point I knew I was viewing one helluva film.
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It's the way the world goes away for them, even Ennis, for a few minutes - all that exists is the physical presence of the other, and then the significance of their being there together and the danger lurking just out of sight - it's such an intense scene.
I absolutely love this way of putting it: the world *does* go away, and nothing else matters. If only it could have stayed that way. . . .
Maybe slightly OT, but I was struck by this when watching yesterday: does Alma seem more dressed up than usual in this scene? I noticed that she's wearing a dress and seems to have lipstick on as well. I thought maybe this was a real treat for her, to have a visitor, so she dresses up in anticipation of maybe having a little fun, at least a little break in routine, and instead her world is turned upside down. It's an interesting comparison with Ennis, who has also clearly taken some care with his appearance (short story: "wearing his best shirt, white with wide black stripes"), but who does get to have a wonderful, unbelievable, magical, but ultimately painful break in *his* routine.
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It's the way the world goes away for them, even Ennis, for a few minutes - all that exists is the physical presence of the other, and then the significance of their being there together and the danger lurking just out of sight - it's such an intense scene.
I absolutely love this way of putting it: the world *does* go away, and nothing else matters. If only it could have stayed that way. . . .
Maybe slightly OT, but I was struck by this when watching yesterday: does Alma seem more dressed up than usual in this scene? I noticed that she's wearing a dress and seems to have lipstick on as well. I thought maybe this was a real treat for her, to have a visitor, so she dresses up in anticipation of maybe having a little fun, at least a little break in routine, and instead her world is turned upside down. It's an interesting comparison with Ennis, who has also clearly taken some care with his appearance (short story: "wearing his best shirt, white with wide black stripes"), but who does get to have a wonderful, unbelievable, magical, but ultimately painful break in *his* routine.
Yes, I noticed Alma was dressed up, too. She looked so excited. She even mentions taking Jack to the Knife & Fork. I am betting she and Ennis didn't go out much, so I bet she was thinking, what a treat this will be, hanging out with one of Ennis' old buddies. Little did she know that Ennis had no plans whatsoever that involved her. He didn't even give her a second glance after he saw Jack through the window. I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for her (crap, I'm a married woman with two small kids) and I do, but I just wanted her out of the way so Jack and Ennis could get to that motel.
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It's the way the world goes away for them, even Ennis, for a few minutes - all that exists is the physical presence of the other, and then the significance of their being there together and the danger lurking just out of sight - it's such an intense scene.
I absolutely love this way of putting it: the world *does* go away, and nothing else matters. If only it could have stayed that way. . . .
Maybe slightly OT, but I was struck by this when watching yesterday: does Alma seem more dressed up than usual in this scene? I noticed that she's wearing a dress and seems to have lipstick on as well. I thought maybe this was a real treat for her, to have a visitor, so she dresses up in anticipation of maybe having a little fun, at least a little break in routine, and instead her world is turned upside down. It's an interesting comparison with Ennis, who has also clearly taken some care with his appearance (short story: "wearing his best shirt, white with wide black stripes"), but who does get to have a wonderful, unbelievable, magical, but ultimately painful break in *his* routine.
Yes, I noticed Alma was dressed up, too. She looked so excited. She even mentions taking Jack to the Knife & Fork. I am betting she and Ennis didn't go out much, so I bet she was thinking, what a treat this will be, hanging out with one of Ennis' old buddies. Little did she know that Ennis had no plans whatsoever that involved her. He didn't even give her a second glance after he saw Jack through the window. I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for her (crap, I'm a married woman with two small kids) and I do, but I just wanted her out of the way so Jack and Ennis could get to that motel.
Dont worry, stacp, I'm a married woman with two small kids too, and I can tell you, as much as it was sad for Alma to see what she saw, I was willing the camera to get back to Ennis and Jack as fast as possible. Of course it was heartbreaking for her, but I think the majority of the audience would have been willing Ennis and Jack to embrace and kiss and be together, because we know what's being going on in Ennis' head for the past 4 years, and she didnt.
You cant deny how well Michelle Williams played that scene, especially when they come back up the stairs to meet her. When you see her pretending to look through her bag, to look like she's doing something, you hear a sound come out of her, like a sharp intake of breath, before she turns round to face them. That sound was like her way of getting ready to confront the the person she has just seen kissing her husband.....and to confront the person she thought she knew...her husband. I read in an interview with Michelle about that scene, saying she was pretending to look for her purse in her bag, because it was something normal, something solid and practical to deal with, in light of the unreal situation that was unfolding around her.
Sorry, I know I shouldnt have started that about Alma, so lets get back to Ennis and Jack......I remember watching it for the first time and first smiling when Ennis says "Jack F***cking Twist", smiling when he jumps down the stairs and hugs Jack, and then when he pushes him up against the wall and kisses him like his life depended on it.....well, I think I did what you did hpv, and stopped breathing, because I genuinely could not believe what I was seeing. I was hoping that they were going to kiss, of course, but nothing like this. This blew me away.
Totally and utterly powerful and passionate stuff that you would never have imagined could be possible.
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And utterly beautiful posts. Thanks all.
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Dont worry, stacp, I'm a married woman with two small kids too, and I can tell you, as much as it was sad for Alma to see what she saw, I was willing the camera to get back to Ennis and Jack as fast as possible. Of course it was heartbreaking for her, but I think the majority of the audience would have been willing Ennis and Jack to embrace and kiss and be together, because we know what's being going on in Ennis' head for the past 4 years, and she didnt.
You cant deny how well Michelle Williams played that scene, especially when they come back up the stairs to meet her. When you see her pretending to look through her bag, to look like she's doing something, you hear a sound come out of her, like a sharp intake of breath, before she turns round to face them. That sound was like her way of getting ready to confront the the person she has just seen kissing her husband.....and to confront the person she thought she knew...her husband. I read in an interview with Michelle about that scene, saying she was pretending to look for her purse in her bag, because it was something normal, something solid and practical to deal with, in light of the unreal situation that was unfolding around her.
Sorry, I know I shouldnt have started that about Alma, so lets get back to Ennis and Jack......I remember watching it for the first time and first smiling when Ennis says "Jack F***cking Twist", smiling when he jumps down the stairs and hugs Jack, and then when he pushes him up against the wall and kisses him like his life depended on it.....well, I think I did what you did hpv, and stopped breathing, because I genuinely could not believe what I was seeing. I was hoping that they were going to kiss, of course, but nothing like this. This blew me away.
Totally and utterly powerful and passionate stuff that you would never have imagined could be possible.
christie, I think for me too, the word is breathless--my breath caught in my throat the first time, as I had absolutely no idea what was going to happen, and I think I continue to have a similar reaction. Every time I am filled with joy for them, and caught up in the unbelievable joy of the reunion. Were two people ever so happy to see each other??
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I think when Ennis saw Jack get out of that truck, and they embraced.... that was the moment he realized he loved Jack Twist.
He couldn't articulate it or understand it..... but I think he knew it.
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Adding to all the wonderful observations above, I love the way Ennis skips a stair or two hurrying down the steps to grab Jack. Ennis, after all, had been waiting on pins and needles all day for Jack to show up, not sure if he would. When Jack shows up, Ennis just can't contain his emotions. He runs into the arms of his Li'l Darlin'. Sigh. <^(
Oh you're making me shed tears of joy. But, Ennis doesn't just skip a stair or two -- he skips like six stairs! He practically leaps from the middle landing down to the bottom, with that push off the wall to propel him even faster, and I even love the hard sound of his boots on the stairs as he rushes down to take Jack into his arms. While meanwhile Jack is rushing up to be hugged like he's never been hugged before... I'm sorry, I'm just repeating what has been said a thousand times here, but I can't help it I love this so much. The BEST!! Not only Best Kiss, but Best Hug, Best Reunion.
kathy
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I echo all your comments here! This scene is so brilliantly acted, down to perfection, and all those little details that you all mentioned is what makes it so real.
I was just thinking - as far as I understood from interviews, Ang didn't the boys much instruction during the shooting, he talked to them previous to the shooting (the pre-production part) but then he pretty much left it up to them. In the Oprah interview Jake described how they approached this scene and how they talked about it ("Heath, you're gonna grab me, and then you're gonna throw me onto the wall, and then I'm gonna throw you onto the wall...") so if I get this right, they not only acted their parts here, they totally choreographed that scene! All those little details - the way they shut their eyes, how Jack holds on to Ennis's shirt like he can't let go and keep going after his lips, the head nuzzle - it must've been their own ideas, no directions from Ang... these guys are amazing!
Oh I so agree. Knowing that Lee gave them little direction during the actual shooting, when we see these scenes -- the whole movie -- it is amazing how exquisitely they played these parts. I am humbled before their talent but also their respect for the story they were portraying.
kathy
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All those little details - the way they shut their eyes, how Jack holds on to Ennis's shirt like he can't let go and keep going after his lips, the head nuzzle - it must've been their own ideas, no directions from Ang... these guys are amazing!
I love the closing sequence of that scene. It is so intense. You really can't fault them in any way. There is no doubt in my mind that they deserved the MTV award for Best Kiss. All the other competitors had a fake, look-to-be-torrid feeling about them (with all the tiresome tongue-play and all that). The reunion kiss is simply faultless. What we see is true yearning: that is the true originator of the passion in that kiss.
I know, I hate those fake on-screen kisses. They're "acting" like they're all hot and bothered, but it's just acting. This was just phenomenal, the genuineness of the passion they were expressing.
kathy
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kathy, I love that wordless expressing of four years yearning!
And ... sadly ... I compare it to another small, involuntary grunt of air ... this one of pain, when Ennis first reads that dreaded postcard returned stamped "deceased".
These two physical articulations for emotions that can't be articulated with words put parenthesis to their whole affair for me ... beginning and end. :\'(
Oh god, I've never caught that! Ennis's "involuntary grunt of air." Boy do I have a lot more BBM studying to do...except this one will be devastating.
kathy
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I' actually heard a couple of "oh sh*ts" when Alma opens the door and a couple of nervous giggles from people in the theater. Me, I about fell out of my chair the first time I saw it. Couldn't speak if I would have wanted to. I'm bad, but I wanted them to cut from Alma real quick right back to the action. >:D
Funny -- me, too. When I was watching that scene last night, and I saw how long they were staying on Alma, I thought, puleeze, get back outside -- what are they doing out there all these precious seconds??
kathy
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I absolutely love this way of putting it: the world *does* go away, and nothing else matters. If only it could have stayed that way. . . .
Maybe slightly OT, but I was struck by this when watching yesterday: does Alma seem more dressed up than usual in this scene? I noticed that she's wearing a dress and seems to have lipstick on as well. I thought maybe this was a real treat for her, to have a visitor, so she dresses up in anticipation of maybe having a little fun, at least a little break in routine, and instead her world is turned upside down. It's an interesting comparison with Ennis, who has also clearly taken some care with his appearance (short story: "wearing his best shirt, white with wide black stripes"), but who does get to have a wonderful, unbelievable, magical, but ultimately painful break in *his* routine.
I know, that part makes me really sad, that Alma thought they were going to maybe go out, or at least she would have a visitor for a cup o' coffee... She was dressed up, I thought, too; and she put her purse on her shoulder for a moment -- what was that about?
kathy
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You cant deny how well Michelle Williams played that scene, especially when they come back up the stairs to meet her. When you see her pretending to look through her bag, to look like she's doing something, you hear a sound come out of her, like a sharp intake of breath, before she turns round to face them. That sound was like her way of getting ready to confront the the person she has just seen kissing her husband.....and to confront the person she thought she knew...her husband. I read in an interview with Michelle about that scene, saying she was pretending to look for her purse in her bag, because it was something normal, something solid and practical to deal with, in light of the unreal situation that was unfolding around her.
Sorry, I know I shouldnt have started that about Alma, so lets get back to Ennis and Jack......I remember watching it for the first time and first smiling when Ennis says "Jack F***cking Twist", smiling when he jumps down the stairs and hugs Jack, and then when he pushes him up against the wall and kisses him like his life depended on it.....well, I think I did what you did hpv, and stopped breathing, because I genuinely could not believe what I was seeing. I was hoping that they were going to kiss, of course, but nothing like this. This blew me away.
Totally and utterly powerful and passionate stuff that you would never have imagined could be possible.
Just briefly to stay OT, though really, Alma in this scene isn't really OT -- thanks for info re Michelle playing that scene, the purse and all. She certainly did it marvelously (not to mention, asking Heath and Jake to do it for real so she could react).
I wish I could specifically remember the first time I saw it, this scene and the others, because I know my eyes just about fell out of my head. I purposely didn't find out too much before viewing the first time, nor did I read the story before seeing it...so indeed, just blew me away, the strength and beauty of this scene, of all the scenes, of these men.
kathy
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I have always been captivated by this reunion scene. Reading your wonderful posts solidifies my belief that this is the BEST kissing scene and display of real passion ever captured on film so far!! From here on out, any film maker in the industry will be hard-pressed to top what we've seen here.
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I know, that part makes me really sad, that Alma thought they were going to maybe go out, or at least she would have a visitor for a cup o' coffee... She was dressed up, I thought, too; and she put her purse on her shoulder for a moment -- what was that about?
kathy
Funny you mention the purse on the shoulder. I took my sister to see it and she thought when Alma put the purse on her shoulder, she was going to split right then and there. I didn't see that, but that was my sister's interpretation. I know sometimes women just fidget in their purse when their nervous, excited, etc, and that's what I think Alma did. She was leaning on it like a crutch. LOL, she needed something to hold her up after seeing the heat between Jack and Ennis. Ennis sure never kissed her like that. :i
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I absolutely love this way of putting it: the world *does* go away, and nothing else matters. If only it could have stayed that way. . . .
Maybe slightly OT, but I was struck by this when watching yesterday: does Alma seem more dressed up than usual in this scene? I noticed that she's wearing a dress and seems to have lipstick on as well. I thought maybe this was a real treat for her, to have a visitor, so she dresses up in anticipation of maybe having a little fun, at least a little break in routine, and instead her world is turned upside down. It's an interesting comparison with Ennis, who has also clearly taken some care with his appearance (short story: "wearing his best shirt, white with wide black stripes"), but who does get to have a wonderful, unbelievable, magical, but ultimately painful break in *his* routine.
I know, that part makes me really sad, that Alma thought they were going to maybe go out, or at least she would have a visitor for a cup o' coffee... She was dressed up, I thought, too; and she put her purse on her shoulder for a moment -- what was that about?
kathy
Poor Alama. She she smartened up for the Knife and Fork and all she got was cut. Well, it aint her fault the boys were hot for each other.
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Poor Alama. She she smartened up for the Knife and Fork and all she got was cut. Well, it aint her fault the boys were hot for each other.
Nope. It wasn't her fault. Can't help but feel sorry for her tho. Her husband probably never kissed her like that.
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Poor Alama. She she smartened up for the Knife and Fork and all she got was cut. Well, it aint her fault the boys were hot for each other.
Nope. It wasn't her fault. Can't help but feel sorry for her tho. Her husband probably never kissed her like that.
Mmmhmm. she prolly was all hot for Jack too. Can't say i blame her. That reunion kiss was a early fireworks session.
OT.. CSC, why arent u on chat?
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Poor Alama. She she smartened up for the Knife and Fork and all she got was cut. Well, it aint her fault the boys were hot for each other.
Nope. It wasn't her fault. Can't help but feel sorry for her tho. Her husband probably never kissed her like that.
Mmmhmm. she prolly was all hot for Jack too. Can't say i blame her. That reunion kiss was a early fireworks session.
OT.. CSC, why arent u on chat?
Oh Cherry you are bad -- you shut up about Alma. That she had the hots for Jack. Or maybe she had the hots for both of them together!
kathy
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That's a very good observation Kathy, about Alma putting the purse on her shoulder - I noticed that but never really gave it much thought until now, because I was too caught up with Ennis and Jack... but now that I think of it, it *is* wierd. it looks like she was preparing to go out. But she didn't really mean to go out, because they didn't get a babysitter for the girls, right? Well, I guess she was so stunned by what she's just seen, she didn't really knew what she was doing...
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That's a very good observation Kathy, about Alma putting the purse on her shoulder - I noticed that but never really gave it much thought until now, because I was too caught up with Ennis and Jack... but now that I think of it, it *is* wierd. it looks like she was preparing to go out. But she didn't really mean to go out, because they didn't get a babysitter for the girls, right? Well, I guess she was so stunned by what she's just seen, she didn't really knew what she was doing...
Thats exactly my thought , she was in such an emotional distress ,thats she wasn't aware of what she was doing.
I know that I would probably act the same, particularly, seeing my hubie , kissing another man...
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Right after we saw Alma for the first time and she re tracks to the room, all I was thinking was,
OMG!!! we missing the kiss!!! go back outside!!! I want to see them kissing, not Alma
so when the camera finally got back to them I felt like I was ripped off a little..
we saw only the prelude and finale and missed the main course...
Nevertheless it was one of my favorite scenes <^(
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Now I wonder if Alma could have been honest and voted them two Best Kiss or would she been too shaken up?
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Sorry, I know I shouldnt have started that about Alma, so lets get back to Ennis and Jack.......
Not to worry, Alma is a big impoortant part of that scene
I think that hadn't she seen them she and Ennis wouldn't had divorced, Cause that is how she knew the fishing trips weren't real. we wouldn't have had the Jack Nasty bit.
I think she put her bag over her shoulder becasue she was going to go out and buy smokes...delay them in the house with the girls, and when they just totally ignored her and went out she tried getting Ennis to come back earlier by asking him to pick her up some... I think it is in the story or the screenplay that he knew she was trying to bring him back earlier by asking him to pick some up
Alma is a big part of this scene...as wonderfull and passionate it is it is a turning point in the film because they ARE found out. THis is the ONE person that knows about Ennis. WE can assume some know about Jack because of what happens to him. But ALma might be the only one that knows about Ennis, because she actually saw him kiss another man like he probably never kissed her...
ANd the scene when they are in bed and she asks him to use condoms, in either the S or the SP she utters under her breath "anyway, the way you like to do it don't make to many babies" She knows that Ennis is gay, and we get to see her discover it here...
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Just briefly to stay OT, though really, Alma in this scene isn't really OT -- thanks for info re Michelle playing that scene, the purse and all. She certainly did it marvelously (not to mention, asking Heath and Jake to do it for real so she could react).
If anyone would guide me to the Michelle Williams interview where she states she had to have the boys kiss for real so she could do her scene, I sure would appreciate it.
This sounds so BS to me. A good, not great, good actress needs herself, the director and the cameraman for any scene. Nothing more is needed. And if the director can carry the camera as Ang can they don't even need the cameraman.
Why would she need the boys to kiss to get her reaction correct? She would know the kiss was acted and not real. How would a phoney kiss help her react properly? Ang could have had the kitchen staff kiss and it would have been the same thing as far as Michelle was concerned.
Unless of course the kiss wasn't an act. The kiss was real. And she resented the hell out of Jake and Heath kissing and doing it so well together. THAT might bring the reaction we saw. Or not. If I saw my husband kissing someone like that he would be wearing the frying pan for a hat. I wouldn't just be shocked and hurt.
Nope, got to read or see this interview. And even then I won't understand it.
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Just briefly to stay OT, though really, Alma in this scene isn't really OT -- thanks for info re Michelle playing that scene, the purse and all. She certainly did it marvelously (not to mention, asking Heath and Jake to do it for real so she could react).
If anyone would guide me to the Michelle Williams interview where she states she had to have the boys kiss for real so she could do her scene, I sure would appreciate it.
This sounds so BS to me. A good, not great, good actress needs herself, the director and the cameraman for any scene. Nothing more is needed. And if the director can carry the camera as Ang can they don't even need the cameraman.
Why would she need the boys to kiss to get her reaction correct? She would know the kiss was acted and not real. How would a phoney kiss help her react properly? Ang could have had the kitchen staff kiss and it would have been the same thing as far as Michelle was concerned.
Unless of course the kiss wasn't an act. The kiss was real. And she resented the hell out of Jake and Heath kissing and doing it so well together. THAT might bring the reaction we saw. Or not. If I saw my husband kissing someone like that he would be wearing the frying pan for a hat. I wouldn't just be shocked and hurt.
Nope, got to read or see this interview. And even then I won't understand it.
Patriot, you've said what I was thinking when I heard Michelle had asked Jake and Heath do this scene again, even though they'd already filmed it. I think I read she even asked them to kiss harder or do it longer or something. Maybe you can chop it up to her being so in love with Heath that seeing him kiss anyone else would totally shock and/or piss her off. But like you said, she's an actress, so she should be able to get into it without the benefit of seeing it played out again. Oh what the hell, if I were in her position, I would have asked Jake and Heath to kiss in front of me again, too! I think I would have had to see it a hundred times to get just the right reaction shot. :^^)
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If I would have been there, I would have jumped into the pile after seeing it! :`)
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This is very o/t but just to say that when americans say "purse" they mean bag.....but when I (being British) say "purse" I mean purse....as in what you put your money in. I assume americans say "wallet" for purse?
Sorry, I was just giggling to myself reading all the comments where you all said purse, but it sounds so weird to me to hear you say "Alma put her purse over her shoulder"..... :)
Ok, enough about Alma's purse, lets get back to Ennis and Jack's kiss.
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Thanks, christie, I didn't know about that distinction. :)
One thing I really love about this kiss--the way that it happens in stages. FIRST, Ennis is waiting in the apartment, and he finally looks out and sees Jack's truck. THEN he smiles, at last, at last. THEN he bounds down the stairs to greet him, probably drinking in Jack's own goofy smile of bliss. THEN they embrace, squeezing the breath out of each other. THEN Jack is staring at Ennis's lips, and Ennis (joy!!) shoves him into the stairwell, knocking his hat off. THEN he attacks his lips. THEN Jack attacks his. THEN Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack, as Jack gazes at his lips like a drowning man. FINALLY, the head nuzzles.
So much to look at, so much to take in!
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Thanks, christie, I didn't know about that distinction. :)
One thing I really love about this kiss--the way that it happens in stages. FIRST, Ennis is waiting in the apartment, and he finally looks out and sees Jack's truck. THEN he smiles, at last, at last. THEN he bounds down the stairs to greet him, probably drinking in Jack's own goofy smile of bliss. THEN they embrace, squeezing the breath out of each other. THEN Jack is staring at Ennis's lips, and Ennis (joy!!) shoves him into the stairwell, knocking his hat off. THEN he attacks his lips. THEN Jack attacks his. THEN Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack, as Jack gazes at his lips like a drowning man. FINALLY, the head nuzzles.
So much to look at, so much to take in!
I really like your description here, especially "Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack..." He really does struggle. I feel Ennis is thinking "we have to stop, but I don't want to let you go."
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Thanks, christie, I didn't know about that distinction. :)
One thing I really love about this kiss--the way that it happens in stages. FIRST, Ennis is waiting in the apartment, and he finally looks out and sees Jack's truck. THEN he smiles, at last, at last. THEN he bounds down the stairs to greet him, probably drinking in Jack's own goofy smile of bliss. THEN they embrace, squeezing the breath out of each other. THEN Jack is staring at Ennis's lips, and Ennis (joy!!) shoves him into the stairwell, knocking his hat off. THEN he attacks his lips. THEN Jack attacks his. THEN Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack, as Jack gazes at his lips like a drowning man. FINALLY, the head nuzzles.
So much to look at, so much to take in!
I really like your description here, especially "Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack..." He really does struggle. I feel Ennis is thinking "we have to stop, but I don't want to let you go."
It is a most wonderful way of putting it! So much wonderful detail in this embrace, in this kiss.
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I feel like the reunion happens in these distinct stages because they have to "warm up" to one another again after all these years--they have to get used to the idea of being together, touching one another, again. But they're so drawn together, so in love, that the stages happen all at once--they really need no time at all to relearn the terrain of each other's bodies, in the strange but wonderful country of their love.
Does that make sense??
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I feel like the reunion happens in these distinct stages because they have to "warm up" to one another again after all these years--they have to get used to the idea of being together, touching one another, again. But they're so drawn together, so in love, that the stages happen all at once--they really need no time at all to relearn the terrain of each other's bodies, in the strange but wonderful country of their love.
Does that make sense??
You speak perfect Brokebackese... i understood and appreciate your words! :d) :d)
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I feel like the reunion happens in these distinct stages because they have to "warm up" to one another again after all these years--they have to get used to the idea of being together, touching one another, again. But they're so drawn together, so in love, that the stages happen all at once--they really need no time at all to relearn the terrain of each other's bodies, in the strange but wonderful country of their love.
Does that make sense??
You speak perfect Brokebackese... i understood and appreciate your words! :d) :d)
Thanks!! ;)
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Sorry, I know I shouldnt have started that about Alma, so lets get back to Ennis and Jack.......
Not to worry, Alma is a big impoortant part of that scene
I think that hadn't she seen them she and Ennis wouldn't had divorced, Cause that is how she knew the fishing trips weren't real. we wouldn't have had the Jack Nasty bit.
I think she put her bag over her shoulder becasue she was going to go out and buy smokes...delay them in the house with the girls, and when they just totally ignored her and went out she tried getting Ennis to come back earlier by asking him to pick her up some... I think it is in the story or the screenplay that he knew she was trying to bring him back earlier by asking him to pick some up
Alma is a big part of this scene...as wonderfull and passionate it is it is a turning point in the film because they ARE found out. THis is the ONE person that knows about Ennis. WE can assume some know about Jack because of what happens to him. But ALma might be the only one that knows about Ennis, because she actually saw him kiss another man like he probably never kissed her...
ANd the scene when they are in bed and she asks him to use condoms, in either the S or the SP she utters under her breath "anyway, the way you like to do it don't make to many babies" She knows that Ennis is gay, and we get to see her discover it here...
Thank you for this thoughtful post. I personally don't get too much into Alma, yet of course I am not unsympathetic to her and she is integral to the story. It is nothing short of tragic for this poor woman, but as I've said, my focus is not on the women's perspective. But anyway, very interesting what you said, about her being the only one who knows about Ennis. I'm just glad that ol' Monroe was there for her... She shouldn't have been fooling around with a no-account like Ennis anyway in the first place, but I'm sure he excited something in her that someone like Monroe wouldn't have.
kathy
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Just briefly to stay OT, though really, Alma in this scene isn't really OT -- thanks for info re Michelle playing that scene, the purse and all. She certainly did it marvelously (not to mention, asking Heath and Jake to do it for real so she could react).
If anyone would guide me to the Michelle Williams interview where she states she had to have the boys kiss for real so she could do her scene, I sure would appreciate it.
This sounds so BS to me. A good, not great, good actress needs herself, the director and the cameraman for any scene. Nothing more is needed. And if the director can carry the camera as Ang can they don't even need the cameraman.
Why would she need the boys to kiss to get her reaction correct? She would know the kiss was acted and not real. How would a phoney kiss help her react properly? Ang could have had the kitchen staff kiss and it would have been the same thing as far as Michelle was concerned.
Unless of course the kiss wasn't an act. The kiss was real. And she resented the hell out of Jake and Heath kissing and doing it so well together. THAT might bring the reaction we saw. Or not. If I saw my husband kissing someone like that he would be wearing the frying pan for a hat. I wouldn't just be shocked and hurt.
Nope, got to read or see this interview. And even then I won't understand it.
I'll see if I can find it easily. Not to be flip in response to your serious comments, but maybe she wanted to see her brand-new lover kiss another hot guy.
I don't know that an actor wouldn't want something to react to. Wouldn't hurt. I know they have to react to blue-screens and all that, but still...
Seems to me that in that same thing I read, that also Anne Hathaway felt bad for not being available to be "on the other end of the phone" for Heath to react to.
BS, who knows?
kathy
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This is very o/t but just to say that when americans say "purse" they mean bag.....but when I (being British) say "purse" I mean purse....as in what you put your money in. I assume americans say "wallet" for purse?
Sorry, I was just giggling to myself reading all the comments where you all said purse, but it sounds so weird to me to hear you say "Alma put her purse over her shoulder"..... :)
Ok, enough about Alma's purse, lets get back to Ennis and Jack's kiss.
CW: Sorry about that -- I should have thought of that. That's why I made sure to say sweater/jumper in another post. So that would be funny, putting one's purse on one's shoulder. Sounds kind of Monty Python.
kathy
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Thanks, christie, I didn't know about that distinction. :)
One thing I really love about this kiss--the way that it happens in stages. FIRST, Ennis is waiting in the apartment, and he finally looks out and sees Jack's truck. THEN he smiles, at last, at last. THEN he bounds down the stairs to greet him, probably drinking in Jack's own goofy smile of bliss. THEN they embrace, squeezing the breath out of each other. THEN Jack is staring at Ennis's lips, and Ennis (joy!!) shoves him into the stairwell, knocking his hat off. THEN he attacks his lips. THEN Jack attacks his. THEN Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack, as Jack gazes at his lips like a drowning man. FINALLY, the head nuzzles.
So much to look at, so much to take in!
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.
"Goofy smile of bliss" -- amusing and sweetly true.
kathy
kathy
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This is very o/t but just to say that when americans say "purse" they mean bag.....but when I (being British) say "purse" I mean purse....as in what you put your money in. I assume americans say "wallet" for purse?
Sorry, I was just giggling to myself reading all the comments where you all said purse, but it sounds so weird to me to hear you say "Alma put her purse over her shoulder"..... :)
Ok, enough about Alma's purse, lets get back to Ennis and Jack's kiss.
CW: Sorry about that -- I should have thought of that. That's why I made sure to say sweater/jumper in another post. So that would be funny, putting one's purse on one's shoulder. Sounds kind of Monty Python.
kathy
no apologies necessary, I wasnt being critical AT ALL. Its just a funny thing to read about something you dont normally see on someone's shoulder! ;)
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Thanks, christie, I didn't know about that distinction. :)
One thing I really love about this kiss--the way that it happens in stages. FIRST, Ennis is waiting in the apartment, and he finally looks out and sees Jack's truck. THEN he smiles, at last, at last. THEN he bounds down the stairs to greet him, probably drinking in Jack's own goofy smile of bliss. THEN they embrace, squeezing the breath out of each other. THEN Jack is staring at Ennis's lips, and Ennis (joy!!) shoves him into the stairwell, knocking his hat off. THEN he attacks his lips. THEN Jack attacks his. THEN Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack, as Jack gazes at his lips like a drowning man. FINALLY, the head nuzzles.
So much to look at, so much to take in!
I really like your description here, especially "Ennis struggles to disentangle himself from Jack..." He really does struggle. I feel Ennis is thinking "we have to stop, but I don't want to let you go."
You are so right, you can tell Ennis is having trouble letting go of Jack....I mean, how many times does he touch him before moving away to walk back up the stairs? Quite a few.
And you know I love the way he looks when walking back up the stairs.....all dishevelled, trying to compose himself, tucking his shirt in (what a lovely Ennis trait!), and looking around....but it was a little late for that!
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You are so right, you can tell Ennis is having trouble letting go of Jack....I mean, how many times does he touch him before moving away to walk back up the stairs? Quite a few.
And you know I love the way he looks when walking back up the stairs.....all dishevelled, trying to compose himself, tucking his shirt in (what a lovely Ennis trait!), and looking around....but it was a little late for that!
I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
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You are so right, you can tell Ennis is having trouble letting go of Jack....I mean, how many times does he touch him before moving away to walk back up the stairs? Quite a few.
And you know I love the way he looks when walking back up the stairs.....all dishevelled, trying to compose himself, tucking his shirt in (what a lovely Ennis trait!), and looking around....but it was a little late for that!
I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Hell, Jack had practically ripped that shirt off Ennis. It had to have looked all scrunched up after the way Jack was holding on to
him for dear life. That was Ennis's best shirt too !!! That would have tipped Alma off, even if she hadn't seen the kiss.
Had to be other evidence too. I will always love the way Jack looked at Ennis after he pulled away. Ohhhhh, to have
someone look at me that way. That look spoke volumes. The way his lips were parted ! Geez.
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That's part of the attraction, isn;t it, both of this scene and of the SNIT? We'd all like someone to look at us in that way, as though we were their world and they wanted no other.
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Six Words: I just can't help but smile! ;)
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I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Well, stacp, if your mind is in the gutter then so was Annie Proulx's. In her story she said, "He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her." There is only one thought that is suppose to enter the readers mind at that point and you hit it on the head, so to speak.
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That's part of the attraction, isn;t it, both of this scene and of the SNIT? We'd all like someone to look at us in that way, as though we were their world and they wanted no other.
Oh! From your lips to whoever's ear.
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I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Well, stacp, if your mind is in the gutter then so was Annie Proulx's. In her story she said, "He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her." There is only one thought that is suppose to enter the readers mind at that point and you hit it on the head, so to speak.
This is indeed correct. There is no shame in it. Is this not also a manifestation of love?
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I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Well, stacp, if your mind is in the gutter then so was Annie Proulx's. In her story she said, "He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her." There is only one thought that is suppose to enter the readers mind at that point and you hit it on the head, so to speak.
This is indeed correct. There is no shame in it. Is this not also a manifestation of love?
Thank you for your validation Thomas. No, there is no shame and I don't see where anyone suggested there was. There certainly wasn't anything shameful in this scene. And yes, the physical desire for someone can be a manifestation of love, or lust.
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I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Well, stacp, if your mind is in the gutter then so was Annie Proulx's. In her story she said, "He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her." There is only one thought that is suppose to enter the readers mind at that point and you hit it on the head, so to speak.
This is indeed correct. There is no shame in it. Is this not also a manifestation of love?
Thank you for your validation Thomas. No, there is no shame and I don't see where anyone suggested there was. There certainly wasn't anything shameful in this scene. And yes, the physical desire for someone can be a manifestation of love, or lust.
Thanks Patriot1. Lust is so beautiful when it is informed by love. With it, Love can be complete.
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I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Well, stacp, if your mind is in the gutter then so was Annie Proulx's. In her story she said, "He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her." There is only one thought that is suppose to enter the readers mind at that point and you hit it on the head, so to speak.
This is indeed correct. There is no shame in it. Is this not also a manifestation of love?
Thank you for your validation Thomas. No, there is no shame and I don't see where anyone suggested there was. There certainly wasn't anything shameful in this scene. And yes, the physical desire for someone can be a manifestation of love, or lust.
Thanks Patriot1. Lust is so beautiful when it is informed by love. With it, Love can be complete.
I am not sure I can accept you premise Thomas. If I do, then I would have to accept that without lust, love could not be complete. We all know of people who are incapable of showing signs of lust either from accidents or other problems. To say their love is not complete because they cannot express lust I think would be an error on our part. Wouldn't you agree?
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I echo all your comments here! This scene is so brilliantly acted, down to perfection, and all those little details that you all mentioned is what makes it so real.
I was just thinking - as far as I understood from interviews, Ang didn't the boys much instruction during the shooting, he talked to them previous to the shooting (the pre-production part) but then he pretty much left it up to them. In the Oprah interview Jake described how they approached this scene and how they talked about it ("Heath, you're gonna grab me, and then you're gonna throw me onto the wall, and then I'm gonna throw you onto the wall...") so if I get this right, they not only acted their parts here, they totally choreographed that scene! All those little details - the way they shut their eyes, how Jack holds on to Ennis's shirt like he can't let go and keep going after his lips, the head nuzzle - it must've been their own ideas, no directions from Ang... these guys are amazing!
YES!!! They are amazing! Its funny...when Ennis first gets the postcard, he nervously looks at Alma over his shoulder while he's reading it. But he got himself so worked up thinking about Jack, that the day Jack was to arrive, he didn't spare Alma a thought about his behavior that day. Pacing, drinking, looking out of the window...and finally RUNNING down the stairs! He was beyond thinking of anyone but Jack at this point.
Donna
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I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Well, stacp, if your mind is in the gutter then so was Annie Proulx's. In her story she said, "He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her." There is only one thought that is suppose to enter the readers mind at that point and you hit it on the head, so to speak.
This is indeed correct. There is no shame in it. Is this not also a manifestation of love?
Thank you for your validation Thomas. No, there is no shame and I don't see where anyone suggested there was. There certainly wasn't anything shameful in this scene. And yes, the physical desire for someone can be a manifestation of love, or lust.
Thanks Patriot1. Lust is so beautiful when it is informed by love. With it, Love can be complete.
I am not sure I can accept you premise Thomas. If I do, then I would have to accept that without lust, love could not be complete. We all know of people who are incapable of showing signs of lust either from accidents or other problems. To say their love is not complete because they cannot express lust I think would be an error on our part. Wouldn't you agree?
I should have said Eros, to be precise. Eros would certainly not be complete without lust. But philia and agape, certainly they are beyond lust.
Although "Lust" can take a higher meaning -- not physical. A more spiritual thirst. But this is not the common usage. Except in the term "Lust for life." :)
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I know, that part makes me really sad, that Alma thought they were going to maybe go out, or at least she would have a visitor for a cup o' coffee... She was dressed up, I thought, too; and she put her purse on her shoulder for a moment -- what was that about?
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I think she was simply in shock, and didn't even notice what she was doing. Watch the several different emotions at play here. When she first sees them, she's shocked and stunned, practically hyperventilates. Then she gets hold of herself and when they come to the kitchen door (Ennis doesn't even come THROUGH the door with Jack) she looks almost pleasant when Ennis introduces her to Jack and she says hello. Then when Jack hears the girls and they start talking about their kids, look at how her face changes when Jack talks about his baby and wife...she is furious and near tears, in fact I believe her eyes well up. Its as though she's thinking "How dare he come up here and talk about his wife and baby so proudly after what they have just been doing, like there was nothing to it!"
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I echo all your comments here! This scene is so brilliantly acted, down to perfection, and all those little details that you all mentioned is what makes it so real.
I was just thinking - as far as I understood from interviews, Ang didn't the boys much instruction during the shooting, he talked to them previous to the shooting (the pre-production part) but then he pretty much left it up to them. In the Oprah interview Jake described how they approached this scene and how they talked about it ("Heath, you're gonna grab me, and then you're gonna throw me onto the wall, and then I'm gonna throw you onto the wall...") so if I get this right, they not only acted their parts here, they totally choreographed that scene! All those little details - the way they shut their eyes, how Jack holds on to Ennis's shirt like he can't let go and keep going after his lips, the head nuzzle - it must've been their own ideas, no directions from Ang... these guys are amazing!
YES!!! They are amazing! Its funny...when Ennis first gets the postcard, he nervously looks at Alma over his shoulder while he's reading it. But he got himself so worked up thinking about Jack, that the day Jack was to arrive, he didn't spare Alma a thought about his behavior that day. Pacing, drinking, looking out of the window...and finally RUNNING down the stairs! He was beyond thinking of anyone but Jack at this point.
Donna
Speaking of when Ennis first gets the postcard, I thought it was cute how Ennis snaps to attention and turns to grab that postcard off the table when Alma first tells him he got a postcard from Jack that came general delivery. When she first asks him if he knows somebody by the name of Jack, he is hesitant, trying not to get his hopes up it is HIS Jack. Then when she mentions the postcard, he quickly dries his hands off on his pants and spins around to the table to get the postcard. Then, the look of pure joy and excitement when he sees it is from his Jack is just great. Great acting by Heath here.
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I know, that part makes me really sad, that Alma thought they were going to maybe go out, or at least she would have a visitor for a cup o' coffee... She was dressed up, I thought, too; and she put her purse on her shoulder for a moment -- what was that about?
kathy
I think she was simply in shock, and didn't even notice what she was doing. Watch the several different emotions at play here. When she first sees them, she's shocked and stunned, practically hyperventilates. Then she gets hold of herself and when they come to the kitchen door (Ennis doesn't even come THROUGH the door with Jack) she looks almost pleasant when Ennis introduces her to Jack and she says hello. Then when Jack hears the girls and they start talking about their kids, look at how her face changes when Jack talks about his baby and wife...she is furious and near tears, in fact I believe her eyes well up. Its as though she's thinking "How dare he come up here and talk about his wife and baby so proudly after what they have just been doing, like there was nothing to it!"
Donna
I agree 100% Donna, I also think this is exactly what she thought, and you described it so well. And yes, her eyes do well up. when Jack says "I married the prettiest gal in Childress" the anger and the hurt on her face are clearly shown, and the tears.
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It's interesting that Jack doesn't come in - as though he doesn't want to be part of Ennis's Riverton life - and Ennis doesn't come in either, but remains in that liminal region in the doorway, as though he too is temporarily not a part of Alma's and the girls' lives.
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Sorry, maybe little OT..I must go back,right before Jack arrives,Ennis, sitting all dressed up and I absolutely adore the look on his face as he peers out the window, just before he sees it's Jack and breaks into the his little and so rare smile. (I'm in love with his smiles .. )
You just know he's spent the whole day listening to cars driving past and being disappointed over and over... ^f^
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Sorry, maybe little OT..I must go back,right before Jack arrives,Ennis, sitting all dressed up and I absolutely adore the look on his face as he peers out the window, just before he sees it's Jack and breaks into the his little and so rare smile. (I'm in love with his smiles .. )
You just know he's spent the whole day listening to cars driving past and being disappointed over and over... ^f^
Oh yes, I love that so much, his little smile. And you said it so vividly -- I can almost feel that little dim room filled with his smoke and smelling like beer, too, and his pacing and sitting and listening for the rare car that drives by, and he seemed to be almost asleep right before he obviously heard a truck and got up to look out the window...
kathy
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It's interesting that Jack doesn't come in - as though he doesn't want to be part of Ennis's Riverton life - and Ennis doesn't come in either, but remains in that liminal region in the doorway, as though he too is temporarily not a part of Alma's and the girls' lives.
I've been struck by that, too--Ennis is very much in a transitional moment throughout this whole scene. He doesn't pay attention to Alma as she's feeding Alma Jr., is sitting and drinking alone in the living room, and spends all his time looking OUT--away from the family space and toward something unknown and new in his life. When he and Jack finally come together, they're in a public space, unlike anywhere they've ever been before, so they have to find another space where they can be together in safety. That's obviously not Ennis's house, so neither of them will linger there. I think it's partly because they never successfully find a space that's safe and comfortable for both of them in the long term that they can't stay together. :(
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I always thought Ennis was tucking in his shirt trying to hide the evidence of his "excitement" over seeing and kissing Jack. Yes, I know, I will come out of the gutter now . . . :i
Well, stacp, if your mind is in the gutter then so was Annie Proulx's. In her story she said, "He was glad the light was dim on the landing but did not turn away from her." There is only one thought that is suppose to enter the readers mind at that point and you hit it on the head, so to speak.
This is indeed correct. There is no shame in it. Is this not also a manifestation of love?
Thank you for your validation Thomas. No, there is no shame and I don't see where anyone suggested there was. There certainly wasn't anything shameful in this scene. And yes, the physical desire for someone can be a manifestation of love, or lust.
Thanks Patriot1. Lust is so beautiful when it is informed by love. With it, Love can be complete.
I am not sure I can accept you premise Thomas. If I do, then I would have to accept that without lust, love could not be complete. We all know of people who are incapable of showing signs of lust either from accidents or other problems. To say their love is not complete because they cannot express lust I think would be an error on our part. Wouldn't you agree?
I should have said Eros, to be precise. Eros would certainly not be complete without lust. But philia and agape, certainly they are beyond lust.
Although "Lust" can take a higher meaning -- not physical. A more spiritual thirst. But this is not the common usage. Except in the term "Lust for life." :)
I'm reading this exchange with amazement. How did I never understand this before?? Of course this would be the moment when Jack and Ennis's love finally becomes public--both socially (as in Alma seeing them) and on the body (the danger of someone recognizing the physical signs of their eros). Thanks, everyone--I appreciate these interpretations.
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I'm reading this exchange with amazement. How did I never understand this before?? Of course this would be the moment when Jack and Ennis's love finally becomes public--both socially (as in Alma seeing them) and on the body (the danger of someone recognizing the physical signs of their eros). Thanks, everyone--I appreciate these interpretations.
I am thankful that there is that element of physical desire in this scene of a reunion of two deep loves. The physical and spiritual don't have to stay apart. They reinforce each other in this scene. The compliment each other...
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I am thankful that there is that element of physical desire in this scene of a reunion of two deep loves. The physical and spiritual don't have to stay apart. They reinforce each other in this scene. The compliment each other...
I couldn't agree more. That has to be one of the reasons why this movie stays with us--it doesn't shy away from acknowledging both the physical and the spiritual sides of their love, yet it also doesn't resort to either pathos or cheap voyeurism. We're always left wanting to see, to hear more--and that's as it should be.
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I couldn't agree more. That has to be one of the reasons why this movie stays with us--it doesn't shy away from acknowledging both the physical and the spiritual sides of their love, yet it also doesn't resort to either pathos or cheap voyeurism. We're always left wanting to see, to hear more--and that's as it should be.
I do think this is the greatest beauty of the film -- to portray in an unassuming way the love between kindred spirits in the hearts of these two confused, ill-educated, and simple men.
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I'm just floored by how this reunion quickly progresses from "Jack f*ckin Twist!", "S.O.B!" (very common type of greeting between buddies), to explosive passion. Four years is a long time to miss your buddy. Four years is a long time to miss someone who is your soulmate and lover. Four years is a helluva long damn time to miss someone who is all three.
"Clutch the pearls!" I'm getting weak just thinking about this scene again! <^(
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I'm just floored by how this reunion quickly progresses from "Jack f*ckin Twist!", "S.O.B!" (very common type of greeting between buddies), to explosive passion. Four years is a long time to miss your buddy. Four years is a long time to miss someone who is your soulmate and lover. Four years is a helluva long damn time to miss someone who is all three.
"Clutch the pearls!" I'm getting weak just thinking about this scene again! <^(
City Slickin' Cowboy, what was it like for you when you first saw it? I had heard from others before BBM came out about this kiss. I thought I was prepared. I was not.
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I'm just floored by how this reunion quickly progresses from "Jack f*ckin Twist!", "S.O.B!" (very common type of greeting between buddies), to explosive passion. Four years is a long time to miss your buddy. Four years is a long time to miss someone who is your soulmate and lover. Four years is a helluva long damn time to miss someone who is all three.
"Clutch the pearls!" I'm getting weak just thinking about this scene again! <^(
CSC, you've given me goosebumps with the above! :^^)
I loved how Jake said in the TO festival press conference that the difference between a best friend and a soulmate was the consummation of the relationship.
They were friends who became lovers and thus soulmates.
Another sacred trinity, tpe?? Like your Jack/Ennis/Mountain in BBM Discussion thread??
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I'm just floored by how this reunion quickly progresses from "Jack f*ckin Twist!", "S.O.B!" (very common type of greeting between buddies), to explosive passion. Four years is a long time to miss your buddy. Four years is a long time to miss someone who is your soulmate and lover. Four years is a helluva long damn time to miss someone who is all three.
"Clutch the pearls!" I'm getting weak just thinking about this scene again! <^(
City Slickin' Cowboy, what was it like for you when you first saw it? I had heard from others before BBM came out about this kiss. I thought I was prepared. I was not.
I was not prepared for the kiss. I had seen the trailer and saw the hug part. I thought it was going to be just that...very touching and maybe something would happen later. The second Ennis looked at Jack I thought "OMG!! Are they gonna...?" When Ennis backed Jack up against that wall my mouth dropped into the popcorn bucket!
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I'm just floored by how this reunion quickly progresses from "Jack f*ckin Twist!", "S.O.B!" (very common type of greeting between buddies), to explosive passion. Four years is a long time to miss your buddy. Four years is a long time to miss someone who is your soulmate and lover. Four years is a helluva long damn time to miss someone who is all three.
"Clutch the pearls!" I'm getting weak just thinking about this scene again! <^(
CSC, you've given me goosebumps with the above! :^^)
I loved how Jake said in the TO festival press conference that the difference between a best friend and a soulmate was the consummation of the relationship.
They were friends who became lovers and thus soulmates.
Another sacred trinity, tpe?? Like your Jack/Ennis/Mountain in BBM Discussion thread??
There is sooo much truth to that statement.
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I'm just floored by how this reunion quickly progresses from "Jack f*ckin Twist!", "S.O.B!" (very common type of greeting between buddies), to explosive passion. Four years is a long time to miss your buddy. Four years is a long time to miss someone who is your soulmate and lover. Four years is a helluva long damn time to miss someone who is all three.
"Clutch the pearls!" I'm getting weak just thinking about this scene again! <^(
City Slickin' Cowboy, what was it like for you when you first saw it? I had heard from others before BBM came out about this kiss. I thought I was prepared. I was not.
I was not prepared for the kiss. I had seen the trailer and saw the hug part. I thought it was going to be just that...very touching and maybe something would happen later. The second Ennis looked at Jack I thought "OMG!! Are they gonna...?" When Ennis backed Jack up against that wall my mouth dropped into the popcorn bucket!
I must admit. I had a big smile on my face when I saw that kiss.
It's one of the most beautiful things I have seen in my life. :)
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I loved how Jake said in the TO festival press conference that the difference between a best friend and a soulmate was the consummation of the relationship.
They were friends who became lovers and thus soulmates.
Another sacred trinity, tpe?? Like your Jack/Ennis/Mountain in BBM Discussion thread??
There is sooo much truth to that statement.
Our Jake is wise for one so young .... I wonder if he learned this from BBM or brought that belief with him to the role?? It certainly BURNS out of both of the men during this scene ... passion of the soul as well as the body!
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I must admit. I had a big smile on my face when I saw that kiss.
It's one of the most beautiful things I have seen in my life. :)
The theater was packed on opening night. I heard so many gasps during this scene. I'm sure I wasn't the only one "clutching the pearls!" I think I heard a "hell yeah!" from someone behind me! :8
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I must admit. I had a big smile on my face when I saw that kiss.
It's one of the most beautiful things I have seen in my life. :)
The theater was packed on opening night. I heard so many gasps during this scene. I'm sure I wasn't the only one "clutching the pearls!" I think I heard a "hell yeah!" from someone behind me! :8
I think I did post somewhere that in some of my later viewings, there was actually APPLAUSE. But in some of them, it was pure silence.
THe younger ones who tend to giggle a lot in the earlier scenes were tellingly quiet when this scene appears...
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I must admit. I had a big smile on my face when I saw that kiss.
It's one of the most beautiful things I have seen in my life. :)
The theater was packed on opening night. I heard so many gasps during this scene. I'm sure I wasn't the only one "clutching the pearls!" I think I heard a "hell yeah!" from someone behind me! :8
I was not prepared for this kiss either. I hadn't read the short story yet, so I really didn't know what was coming. It totally floored me. I haven't recovered since. I have never seen such raw passion and desire put forth on the big screen. Damn. I need to go watch it again. :d)
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I'd read it, and it's a powerfully-written passage, but it didn't prepare me for the kiss on the screen. I suppose I thought it would be transgressive - two men kissing each other - but in reality it was just a stunningly-believable representation of pure passion, and the gender of the two people involved was irrelevant. I often saw it in the day, when there were few people there- when it was crowded the audience was almost entirely silent, though people coming out were often in tears and no-one seemed embarrassed by being seen to be so. There's a truth about this movie, and this scene, that defeats any attempt to belittle what happens.
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The thing is, it seems, that when there are (usually) straight males in the audience tehy shift uncomfortably during FNIT and to a certain degree SNIT, but when it gets to reunion kiss they don't.... is it because we are so wanting this for them but not sure it is gonna happen outside of the mountain???
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I'm trying, but I can't recall the responses from the audience to this scene in most of my viewings... I don't think I was able to hear anything beyond the beating of my heart.
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I remember usually gasps, I think, for the unexpectedness of it ... then utter silence as breathing comes to a complete stop for most people for several seconds. Myself included!
Usually another gasp and the ocassional "oh, no!" when Alma sees them (and annoying giggles at that point for the children in the audience! ^^) ^*) )
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I remember usually gasps, I think, for the unexpectedness of it ... then utter silence as breathing comes to a complete stop for most people for several seconds. Myself included!
Usually another gasp and the ocassional "oh, no!" when Alma sees them (and annoying giggles at that point for the children in the audience! ^^) ^*) )
Children in the audince? as in adults not behaving as adults or actual children?
Everyone of my friends that have seen it with me have also had the Oh No when Alma sees them... I think my exlamation was a bit more rude....
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I'd say most of the audience responses during my 21 viewings were largely silent. I do remember a couple of times when you could hear a little chatter or slight giggling. This usually happened at the moment right after the initial hug. As soon as Ennis and Jacked looked at each other I could occasionally hear people mumble "Uh Oh!" It was if at that moment they could sense this scene was not going to stop at just a hug. Of course, as soon as the kiss began I could make out several gasps.
By the time I was past my tenth viewing I found myself looking around the immediate area to see how many men were visibly uncomfortable in their chairs, especially during the kiss. :8
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I think that everyone who watched it,was in total surprise,astound even
that what brings all those different reactions, I for example stopped breathing completely,like I was sharing
the kiss with them..
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There were audible gasps during FNIT, but when Ennis grabbed Jack, I think I zoned out of real life for a minute and just held my breath, and focused my eyes on the most passionate, intense and romantic scene I've had the pleasure of watching (and boy have I watched it over and over again ever since!).
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Children in the audince? as in adults not behaving as adults or actual children?
Yup, that first one ...
CSC, I started being more aware too of how others around me were reacting after about the 8th or 9th time viewing ... but mostly I completely focused on the screen during that kiss ... I wanted to BE that kiss, it was like a living thing .... how amazingly romantic that was .... hmmmmm, time for another look at it, I think, soon as I get home. :)
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Children in the audince? as in adults not behaving as adults or actual children?
Yup, that first one ...
CSC, I started being more aware too of how others around me were reacting after about the 8th or 9th time viewing ... but mostly I completely focused on the screen during that kiss ... I wanted to BE that kiss, it was like a living thing .... how amazingly romantic that was .... hmmmmm, time for another look at it, I think, soon as I get home. :)
I wonder if our two actors have any idea how realistic and intensely romantic this scene turned out? Do they have any idea how many of us watch this scene as often as possible?
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I wonder if our two actors have any idea how realistic and intensely romantic this scene turned out? Do they have any idea how many of us watch this scene as often as possible?
I think they are at least beginning to realize this :)
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I wonder if our two actors have any idea how realistic and intensely romantic this scene turned out? Do they have any idea how many of us watch this scene as often as possible?
Well, they might have just a little hint, after that MTV award! ;) Although I don't know if they know (?? ::) ) that we get that it's romantic and loving and soulful, as well as passionate and lustful ....
I can NEVER watch it just once, even if I swear - this time - going to watch the DVD straight through, no stop and repeat ... never can make it pass certain scenes ... <^(
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I can NEVER watch it just once, even if I swear - this time - going to watch the DVD straight through, no stop and repeat ... never can make it pass certain scenes ... <^(
Every time I watch my DVD I reply this scene at least 4 times before I move on. <^(
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I can NEVER watch it just once, even if I swear - this time - going to watch the DVD straight through, no stop and repeat ... never can make it pass certain scenes ... <^(
Every time I watch my DVD I reply this scene at least 4 times before I move on. <^(
Well I NEVER.... watch it without pausing and rewinding and ...stuff...
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This scene is so passionate and romantic it's almost narcotic.
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I am sure all of us notice that while the embrace was so full of joy and intense feeling, in the kiss, both of them look almost hurting, almost pained. The intensity had passed the boundary between pleasure and pain.
That kiss was so beautiful to both of them that it absolutely hurt.
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I am sure all of us notice that while the embrace was so full of joy and intense feeling, in the kiss, both of them look almost hurting, almost pained. The intensity had passed the boundary between pleasure and pain.
That kiss was so beautiful to both of them that it absolutely hurt.
Of course it did. Their faces were saying "we should have never been apart!"
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That kiss was so beautiful to both of them that it absolutely hurt.
Something precious they never thought they'd find again ... how did they even keep on their feet?!?
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I am sure all of us notice that while the embrace was so full of joy and intense feeling, in the kiss, both of them look almost hurting, almost pained. The intensity had passed the boundary between pleaure and pain.
That kiss was so beautiful to both of them that it absolutely hurt.
Thomas, you said it. So beautiful
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When I look at Jack's face as Ennis heads up the stairs I think of how shocked he must be. It's like he's thinking "Oh my god. He really does feel something for me."
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This scene is so passionate and romantic it's almost narcotic.
Well,it's addictive and narcotic,but we don't want to kick the habit <^( <^(
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This scene is so passionate and romantic it's almost narcotic.
Well,it's addictive and narcotic,but we don't want to kick the habit <^( <^(
Never!! <^(
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I am sure all of us notice that while the embrace was so full of joy and intense feeling, in the kiss, both of them look almost hurting, almost pained. The intensity had passed the boundary between pleasure and pain.
That kiss was so beautiful to both of them that it absolutely hurt.
Of course it did. Their faces were saying "we should have never been apart!"
Isn't it amazing how much we as human beings don't appreciate until it confronts us right to our face? Same with them. They never realized what they needed up until that moment.
And as MississaugaRed said, it is a miracle that they can even come to this realization standing. They had given each other up all to easily. Now is the reckoning...
Twisted, your pic says it all. All the above words are ridiculous in its wake.
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12 step recoveryplan for Brokies:
1. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
2. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
3. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
4. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
5. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
6. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
7. Go see Brokeback Mountain. Take a friend.
8. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
9. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
10. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
11. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
12. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
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I like this one too, look how frightened Jack looks at first.
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12 step recoveryplan for Brokies:
1. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
2. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
3. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
4. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
5. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
6. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
7. Go see Brokeback Mountain. Take a friend.
8. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
9. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
10. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
11. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
12. Go see Brokeback Mountain.
Whenever one sees the reunion scene, you know there will be no recovery. :)
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The kiss. (sorry, the pics aren't very good.)
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Love is the fire that burns me,
The smokes are thoughts confused,
Which dim my soul, my soul,
And hath my sense abused.
Though fire to ashes turn me,
Yet doth the smoke more grieve me,
That dims my mind,
Whose light should still relieve me.
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There were audible gasps during FNIT, but when Ennis grabbed Jack, I think I zoned out of real life for a minute and just held my breath, and focused my eyes on the most passionate, intense and romantic scene I've had the pleasure of watching (and boy have I watched it over and over again ever since!).
You know, CW, I was reading these last posts and trying to figure out how to say how I felt during this scene, the first time at the theater, and I was going to say, almost out of the body. So I like how you said it -- you zoned out of real life for a minute. I also felt not in this world exactly (though physically still on this plane as I was clutching the equivalent of pearls). I didn't breathe, and my eyes -- windows of the soul -- were like drinking in this most gorgeous abd gigantic beauty of these two men, this passion that was so beyond what I could have hoped for, their kissing an exilir for my own soul, not just theirs...
Welshwitch, for me it certainly did matter that these were two men. We always see men and women kissing on the big screen and everyplace else. I craved like a drug, to see something explicit and beautiful between two men in this movie...and I got it. (Though I've still got the craving big time. :*(
kathy
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CSC, I started being more aware too of how others around me were reacting after about the 8th or 9th time viewing ... but mostly I completely focused on the screen during that kiss ... I wanted to BE that kiss, it was like a living thing .... how amazingly romantic that was .... hmmmmm, time for another look at it, I think, soon as I get home. :)
Mississ: I have to use words like far out. What you said -- awesome. We can't even call it just a "visceral" response that we have to viewing this scene (and the whole movei). Beyond visceral -- it involves us in places we barely have conscious awareness of -- that 90% of our brains we aren't tapped into, much of which is on a "spiritual" plane, or in the collective consciousness, or just a complete integration of bodymindspirit that probably most of us aren't used to feeling every day.
How'd they do that?? ???
Besides, this whole web collective we have here feeds into it, too. If we were just sitting by ourselves, or had one or two other people to talk to about our experience of this movie, we probably wouldn't find such deep and far-out places...
kathy
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I am sure all of us notice that while the embrace was so full of joy and intense feeling, in the kiss, both of them look almost hurting, almost pained. The intensity had passed the boundary between pleasure and pain.
That kiss was so beautiful to both of them that it absolutely hurt.
Jeez, you are killing me!
kathy
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I like this one too, look how frightened Jack looks at first.
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I wonder if it could be because he had be thrown into the wall numerous times, his nose had almost been broken...I think I would be a little frightened also.
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I just want to say..this is the most beautiful kiss I've ever seen in movies!! Ennis beats every girls that has kissed Jake in other movies! This kiss tells us everything Ennis want to say to Jack...
And I have saved so many gif files of this kiss in my computer ;)
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The kiss. (sorry, the pics aren't very good.)
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Twisted, the pics are VERY VERY good! I saw them just fine. Love this one....the way they are straining to be as close to each other as possible....mmmm, those legs as close as they can be to the others, so sexy. <^(
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I like this one too, look how frightened Jack looks at first.
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oh Twisted, you are spoiling us!!! Love this clip, its one I could watch over and over....and frequently do. ;) Love the look of complete shock on Jack's face, and Ennis just diving into his mouth, and then Jack suddenly realising what's happening, and grabbing Ennis' head.....gorgeous. My stomach flips just about each time Ennis dives in, you feel and taste the pent up passion from him, can't you? He couldnt have kissed Jack any harder if he tried.
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I said this before, but since the clip is here.... and since Twisted mentioned the "fear factor"....
It seems to me for one millisecond Jack is afraid that maybe Ennis is gonna give him another punch like he did up on the mountain.
But he is able to adjust pretty quickly to the reality of the situation.... :^^)
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I said this before, but since the clip is here.... and since Twisted mentioned the "fear factor"....
It seems to me for one millisecond Jack is afraid that maybe Ennis is gonna give him another punch like he did up on the mountain.
But he is able to adjust pretty quickly to the reality of the situation.... :^^)
Oh,yeah!! lucky for us..I just wish the scene to last a little bit longer... ^*()
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I said this before, but since the clip is here.... and since Twisted mentioned the "fear factor"....
It seems to me for one millisecond Jack is afraid that maybe Ennis is gonna give him another punch like he did up on the mountain.
But he is able to adjust pretty quickly to the reality of the situation.... :^^)
Yes, this is precisely what I meant in another post (reasons for Jack to love Ennis). Jack was no way sure of how Ennis would receive him. There was still that element of uncertainty. After the kiss, there was no point in disbelieving.
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I like this one too, look how frightened Jack looks at first.
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I'm sorry, I can't help it, I have to say it... I've never noticed it before becasue I was so hypnotized by the kiss, but... look at Jack's ear. At first when Ennis grabs his head he puts his fingers on Jack's ear, but then suddenly the ear pops out between Ennis's fingers. such a minor detail but it cracks me up.
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I like this one too, look how frightened Jack looks at first.
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I'm sorry, I can't help it, I have to say it... I've never noticed it before becasue I was so hypnotized by the kiss, but... look at Jack's ear. At first when Ennis grabs his head he puts his fingers on Jack's ear, but then suddenly the ear pops out between Ennis's fingers. such a minor detail but it cracks me up.
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Never seen that before :8 :8 :8 you'r right...thanks :)
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That is funny. ;D I never noticed the ear pop out thing either. I love this place ! I learn about so many things
I haven't noticed after a zillion viewings. Never enough..... never enough!
Wonder if they whisker burns when they went upstairs to see Alma ! 8)
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oh my god
I just spilled my drink!
I haven't noticed that before!!
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Wow I haven't noticed that before either! :8
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LOL - thanks for the pointer, i'd never seen it either!! :8
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I always found it hot when Ennis knocked Jack's hat off before diving in for that kiss.
Jack was thinking..... WTF !
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I always found it hot when Ennis knocked Jack's hat off before diving in for that kiss.
Jack was thinking..... WTF !
Hot!! Ennis is on fire!! The way he knocks off the hat, pins him and grabs him like he will die if he doesn't kiss him that second - Whew, what a kiss!! :`)
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I always found it hot when Ennis knocked Jack's hat off before diving in for that kiss.
Jack was thinking..... WTF !
Hot!! Ennis is on fire!! The way he knocks off the hat, pins him and grabs him like he will die if he doesn't kiss him that second - Whew, what a kiss!! :`)
I think that might have been one of the happiest days of Jack Twists life.
He really didn't know for sure how Ennis was going to "welcome".
What a welcome ! He knew then it wasn't just a one shot thing.
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I always found it hot when Ennis knocked Jack's hat off before diving in for that kiss.
Jack was thinking..... WTF !
Hot!! Ennis is on fire!! The way he knocks off the hat, pins him and grabs him like he will die if he doesn't kiss him that second - Whew, what a kiss!! :`)
I think that might have been one of the happiest days of Jack Twists life.
He really didn't know for sure how Ennis was going to "welcome".
What a welcome ! He knew then it wasn't just a one shot thing.
I know! Jack's eyes when Ennis pulled back - my God... It was amazement, passion, joy, love all rolled into one. After seeing how he'd been treated by Lureen's dad, it was great to see him get treated to some loving - he needed it... and i needed to see that kiss :d) :d) :d)
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I always found it hot when Ennis knocked Jack's hat off before diving in for that kiss.
Jack was thinking..... WTF !
Hot!! Ennis is on fire!! The way he knocks off the hat, pins him and grabs him like he will die if he doesn't kiss him that second - Whew, what a kiss!! :`)
I think that might have been one of the happiest days of Jack Twists life.
He really didn't know for sure how Ennis was going to "welcome".
What a welcome ! He knew then it wasn't just a one shot thing.
I know! Jack's eyes when Ennis pulled back - my God... It was amazement, passion, joy, love all rolled into one. After seeing how he'd been treated by Lureen's dad, it was great to see him get treated to some loving - he needed it... and i needed to see that kiss :d) :d) :d)
Yes, it was great for Jack to get the reception he'd hoped for....and more!!!! I dont think he would ever expected Ennis to be so passionate and so carefree......but the minute Ennis touched Jack, Jack must have felt an electric shock go between them. After 4 years, that feeling from Brokeback was still there.
I love Jack's face when Ennis walks to the stairs, he's in complete and utter shock!!!
(O/T, congratulations Aimi, you've been Ennised!!!!). :cr) :-* :-*
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Look how Jack is staring at Ennis, in disbelieve ,and love just before the nuzzle.. <^(
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Look how Jack is staring at Ennis, in disbelieve ,and love just before the nuzzle.. <^(
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Thanks, hpv... this pic sums up Jack and Ennis's love to me....Jack is so in love, and Ennis is torn between what he wants and what he got, all while they are in the shadows.
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That there picture is proof enough that Brokeback should have gotten oscar..and that our boys should have gotten em too...
sorry :)
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Look how Jack is staring at Ennis, in disbelieve ,and love just before the nuzzle.. <^(
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Thanks, hpv... this pic sums up Jack and Ennis's love to me....Jack is so in love, and Ennis is torn between what he wants and what he got, all while they are in the shadows.
Great picture HPV! Well put Cherrycake. :)
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Sort of the same as Cherrycake said, but it is so typical the..Jacks eyes wide open looking at Ennis...Ennis keeping his closed NOT looking at Jack
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There were audible gasps during FNIT, but when Ennis grabbed Jack, I think I zoned out of real life for a minute and just held my breath, and focused my eyes on the most passionate, intense and romantic scene I've had the pleasure of watching (and boy have I watched it over and over again ever since!).
Totally. I knew they were going to kiss and that Alma was going to see them before I saw the movie, but I had no idea just how passionate it was going to be....and I did exactly as you did, Christie, and held my breath. I've been replaying it in my mind ever since (when I can't actually watch it, obviously) and it still makes me catch my breath.
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Crap I may have to watch it tonight.
What gets me is they did have time to think about it. At first when they separated they probably thought
well...it was a summer thing. And I am really straight etc. But then after the time they knew.
It's great.
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Look how Jack is staring at Ennis, in disbelieve ,and love just before the nuzzle.. <^(
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A tender moment in the heat of passion. I just love this scene. <^(
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God, this screencap is so amazing... so much love, so much tenderness. Thank you hpv!
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Yes, Ennis just looks lost in the moment, lost in love, and i adore the way Jack is gazing at him. Beautiful *sigh*.
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Look how Jack is staring at Ennis, in disbelieve ,and love just before the nuzzle.. <^(
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Oh my goodness hpv, thank you!! I think this might now be my very favorite image from the movie. So true--the shadows, the eyes open/eyes closed. . . . It really mirrors their facial expressions during SNIT, I think. Jack looks at Ennis and draws him in, and once Ennis relaxes into it, he has the same expression with eyes closed and mouth open, just drinking in the unbelievable love he feels in that moment.
Thanks, Esme, too, for pointing out that Jack has his eyes wide open here--he faces the situation head-on--while Ennis has his eyes closed, unable maybe to face their love.
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I thinks all the comments in this, and other threads, speaks volumes for the brilliant acting abilities of two very young men. They have everyone believing they are really in love, have not seen each other in 4 years, and a whole host of other things.
I hope I live long enough to see them when they have "matured" as actors.
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I thinks all the comments in this, and other threads, speaks volumes for the brilliant acting abilities of two very young men. They have everyone believing they are really in love, have not seen each other in 4 years, and a whole host of other things.
I hope I live long enough to see them when they have "matured" as actors.
This scene was brilliant. I really like the fact that it was done without the usual romance lines..
"I've thought about you for so long.."
"I've been dreaming about this moment.."
"I just want to hold you forever..."
The acting was so good, dialog of this type was unnecessary.
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Dialogue :
Jack "!@#$" twist
Sonofabitch
Come here
Later
later
Less is indeed more
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Dialogue :
Jack "!@#$" twist
Sonofabitch
Come here
Later
later
Less is indeed more
You said it!
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I thinks all the comments in this, and other threads, speaks volumes for the brilliant acting abilities of two very young men. They have everyone believing they are really in love, have not seen each other in 4 years, and a whole host of other things.
I hope I live long enough to see them when they have "matured" as actors.
This scene was brilliant. I really like the fact that it was done without the usual romance lines..
"I've thought about you for so long.."
"I've been dreaming about this moment.."
"I just want to hold you forever..."
The acting was so good, dialog of this type was unnecessary.
City Slicker, we have had our disagreements in the past, but on this scene and thought we stand side by side. This scene is brilliant.
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True--I never thought of it that way. Their actions speak louder than their words ever could. Reminds me of the last time they're together, when we see them fighting by the river, but then when they're sleeping in the tent, Ennis is lying behind Jack with his arm around him. :(
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I thinks all the comments in this, and other threads, speaks volumes for the brilliant acting abilities of two very young men. They have everyone believing they are really in love, have not seen each other in 4 years, and a whole host of other things.
I hope I live long enough to see them when they have "matured" as actors.
This scene was brilliant. I really like the fact that it was done without the usual romance lines..
"I've thought about you for so long.."
"I've been dreaming about this moment.."
"I just want to hold you forever..."
The acting was so good, dialog of this type was unnecessary.
City Slicker, we have had our disagreements in the past, but on this scene and thought we stand side by side. This scene is brilliant.
It's true. Never have I gotten so much out of a scene where so little was spoken.
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I thinks all the comments in this, and other threads, speaks volumes for the brilliant acting abilities of two very young men. They have everyone believing they are really in love, have not seen each other in 4 years, and a whole host of other things.
I hope I live long enough to see them when they have "matured" as actors.
This scene was brilliant. I really like the fact that it was done without the usual romance lines..
"I've thought about you for so long.."
"I've been dreaming about this moment.."
"I just want to hold you forever..."
The acting was so good, dialog of this type was unnecessary.
That is so true. Words were really not needed here.....everything Ennis did, and the way Jack reacted, was enough to show how they felt about each other.
As Esme says, less is so definitely more.
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Look how Jack is staring at Ennis, in disbelieve ,and love just before the nuzzle.. <^(
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Another little thing in this pic I hadnt noticed before.....as Ennis is nuzzling Jack, his hand is still on Jack, having already stroked his face, in preparation for having to separate from him to go back upstairs. You see his hand steady on Jack's chest, which I had never noticed before. Ennis obviously had to keep touching Jack until the last possible moment.....
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Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
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Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
<^( Beautiful
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<^( Beautiful
It is so difficult starting the day with this pic. It is painfully beautiful.
Jack's eyes are half-closed, while Ennis's are shut. They need not really see how the other feels. They know.
Ledger and Gyllenhaal are superb in this scene. They take your breath away.
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<^( Beautiful
It is so difficult starting the day with this pic. It is painfully beautiful.
Jack's eyes are half-closed, while Ennis's are shut. They need not really see how the other feels. They know.
Ledger and Gyllenhaal are superb in this scene. They take your breath away.
Was the quote from Romeo and Juliet? It was very beautiful.
This picture is so beautiful, you see Ennis, never wants to let go, just wants to hold forever the man he loves.
Jack is so beautiful in that, you see, he's been waiting for that moment, and hopes that moment never ends.
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Look how Jack is staring at Ennis, in disbelieve ,and love just before the nuzzle.. <^(
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Another little thing in this pic I hadnt noticed before.....as Ennis is nuzzling Jack, his hand is still on Jack, having already stroked his face, in preparation for having to separate from him to go back upstairs. You see his hand steady on Jack's chest, which I had never noticed before. Ennis obviously had to keep touching Jack until the last possible moment.....
I had noticed this but I'm so glad you brought it up Christie. You see Ennis initiating a separation about three times, but he cannot keep himself from touching Jack. He is soooo in love with Jack and he doesn't realize it yet.
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<^( Beautiful
It is so difficult starting the day with this pic. It is painfully beautiful.
Jack's eyes are half-closed, while Ennis's are shut. They need not really see how the other feels. They know.
Ledger and Gyllenhaal are superb in this scene. They take your breath away.
Was the quote from Romeo and Juliet? It was very beautiful.
This picture is so beautiful, you see Ennis, never wants to let go, just wants to hold forever the man he loves.
Jack is so beautiful in that, you see, he's been waiting for that moment, and hopes that moment never ends.
It is a beautiful picture. Jack is stunned by Ennis, he would never have imagined this in his wildest dreams....well, maybe in his wildest dreams! The way Jack is looking at Ennis, while Ennis is not able to stop touching him. <^(
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I love the way their faces are overlapping here--they're touching in every way possible, even though they're fully clothed and standing up outside, in a public place. Jack's brow is creased as he gazes at Ennis; Ennis's eyes are closed as he drinks in the relief of this moment, to finally be reunited with the man he has dreamt about for so long. Can you imagine how many times each of them must have envisioned this moment??
It hurts, it is so beautiful.
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I love the way their faces are overlapping here--they're touching in every way possible, even though they're fully clothed and standing up outside, in a public place. Jack's brow is creased as he gazes at Ennis; Ennis's eyes are closed as he drinks in the relief of this moment, to finally be reunited with the man he has dreamt about for so long. Can you imagine how many times each of them must have envisioned this moment??
It hurts, it is so beautiful.
Shieldmaid, you always seem to describe these scenes so perfectly and so beautifully. I agree with everything you said....and to think about them thinking about the other all those years, imagining what it would feel like to see each other again, to feel each other, to kiss each other......no wonder Ennis reacted the way he did. Four years of passion in that kiss, and more. <^( <^(
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Thomas's beautiful quotation is from "The Song of Solomon".
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This scene makes me think of Shakespeare's Sonnet 97:
How like a winter hath my absence been
From thee, the pleasure of my fleeting years.
This moment is spring and summer, love renewed and hope awakened; and their hours and days and years were fleeting.
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Thomas's beautiful quotation is from "The Song of Solomon".
Yes, and I chose the Anglican version for this. I think it is most apt for the reunion kiss.
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Don't know if the Anglicans would agree! :) *o) ~)
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Don't know if the Anglicans would agree! :) *o) ~)
No more than the Roman Curia I suppose...
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Don't know if the Anglicans would agree! :) *o) ~)
No more than the Roman Curia I suppose...
At least we can be sure their devotion is absolute here, no matter whence the expression or source of their love comes . . .
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Don't know if the Anglicans would agree! :) *o) ~)
No more than the Roman Curia I suppose...
At least we can be sure their devotion is absolute here, no matter whence the expression or source of their love comes . . .
I do think we are all in agreement here. :)
Incidentally, the love how Jack's hair is in shambles in the above pic. Love like this does not abide by appearances.
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Incidentally, the love how Jack's hair is in shambles in the above pic. Love like this does not abide by appearances.
"Love me not for comely grace,
for my pleasing eye or face,
Nor for any outward part,
no, nor for a faithful heart.
For these may change or turn to ill,
and thou and I shall sever.
Keep therefore a true lover's eye
and love me still, but know not why,
so hath thou the same reason still to dote upon me ever."
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Incidentally, the love how Jack's hair is in shambles in the above pic. Love like this does not abide by appearances.
"Love me not for comely grace,
for my pleasing eye or face,
Nor for any outward part,
no, nor for a faithful heart.
For these may change or turn to ill,
and thou and I shall sever.
Keep therefore a true lover's eye
and love me still, but know not why,
so hath thou the same reason still to dote upon me ever."
I read this 5 times before I could even think to respond. Thank you. :)
Time does not bring relief: you all have lied
Who told me time would ease me of my pain!
I miss him in the weeping of the rain:
I want him at the shrinking of the tide;
The old snows melt from ev'ry mountain side,
And last year's leaves are smoke in every lane;
But last year's bitter loving must remain
Heaped on my heart and my old thoughts abide.
There are a hundred places where I fear
To go, so with his memory they brim.
And entering with relief some quiet place
where never fell his foot or shone his face.
I say "There is no mem'ry of him here,"
And so stand stricken, so remembering him.
(Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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Time does not bring relief: you all have lied
Who told me time would ease me of my pain!
I miss him in the weeping of the rain:
I want him at the shrinking of the tide;
The old snows melt from ev'ry mountain side,
And last year's leaves are smoke in every lane;
But last year's bitter loving must remain
Heaped on my heart and my old thoughts abide.
There are a hundred places where I fear
To go, so with his memory they brim.
And entering with relief some quiet place
where never fell his foot or shone his face.
I say "There is no mem'ry of him here,"
And so stand stricken, so remembering him.
(Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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Thomas ..
I'm at a loss. You are destroying me.
Those may be the most perfect, moving words ever used here, they could have been torn from the heart of either man throughout their relationship, and I can't help but move from this embrace to Ennis alone at the tragic end .... :\'( :\'( :\'( Beautiful!
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MississaugaRed, I had to read your poem 5 times, and it took me a while to post the response.
When we are moved, it is difficult to find the right voice.
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MississaugaRed, I had to read your poem 5 times, and it took me a while to post the response.
When we are moved, it is difficult to find the right voice.
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tpe, you somehow manage to always find the right voice! ^f^
This one scene alone is cause for all the accolades and awards received by BBM. It takes us in seconds from lust to love, from solitude to solidarity, from hope to eventual heartbreak.
Everything they feel in these moments, how they are torn down and rebuilt during this kiss, makes the next 16 years of impossible love possible. How could we or they imagine their lives without each other, in whatever form they might have to endure, after this kiss??
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tpe, you somehow manage to always find the right voice! ^f^
This one scene alone is cause for all the accolades and awards received by BBM. It takes us in seconds from lust to love, from solitude to solidarity, from hope to eventual heartbreak.
Everything they feel in these moments, how they are torn down and rebuilt during this kiss, makes the next 16 years of impossible love possible. How could we or they imagine their lives without each other, in whatever form they might have to endure, after this kiss??
The picture is so powerful. It calls up all the mighty stresses of their love. It is an impossible love. They kiss as if their world was at an end.
There is no turning back after this kiss. Only hesitations. But either one can no longer deny the power and impossibility of that love. I suspect that this is what moves us.
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I had this screencap on my computer for a long time.. but I just managed to post this magnificent picture here,after I nagged my son,like, forever..to show me how to do it..oldschool.. :i
Now I'm glad I did,
Thank you all ,for the exquisite thoughts and response I'm amazed each and everytime how wonderful this place is... %)
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I had this screencap on my computer for a long time.. but I just managed to post this magnificent picture here,after I nagged my son,like, forever..to show me how to do it..oldschool.. :i
Now I'm glad I did,
Thank you all ,for the exquisite thoughts and response I'm amazed each and everytime how wonderful this place is... %)
We thank you hpv. It is more eloquent than any words we can attach to it.
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Incidentally, the love how Jack's hair is in shambles in the above pic. Love like this does not abide by appearances.
"Love me not for comely grace,
for my pleasing eye or face,
Nor for any outward part,
no, nor for a faithful heart.
For these may change or turn to ill,
and thou and I shall sever.
Keep therefore a true lover's eye
and love me still, but know not why,
so hath thou the same reason still to dote upon me ever."
I read this 5 times before I could even think to respond. Thank you. :)
Time does not bring relief: you all have lied
Who told me time would ease me of my pain!
I miss him in the weeping of the rain:
I want him at the shrinking of the tide;
The old snows melt from ev'ry mountain side,
And last year's leaves are smoke in every lane;
But last year's bitter loving must remain
Heaped on my heart and my old thoughts abide.
There are a hundred places where I fear
To go, so with his memory they brim.
And entering with relief some quiet place
where never fell his foot or shone his face.
I say "There is no mem'ry of him here,"
And so stand stricken, so remembering him.
(Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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tpe and mississaugared, both pieces of poetry are so beautiful and yes, very very fitting for this scene. tpe, there is one line that stands out to me in yours:
"I miss him in the weeping of the rain"
That just is so so sad and conjures up images of Ennis, heartbroken in his solace and inconsolable with his loss....... :\'( :\'( :\'(
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tpe and mississaugared, both pieces of poetry are so beautiful and yes, very very fitting for this scene. tpe, there is one line that stands out to me in yours:
"I miss him in the weeping of the rain"
That just is so so sad and conjures up images of Ennis, heartbroken in his solace and inconsolable with his loss....... :\'( :\'( :\'(
Thank you Christie. But the poems pale beside the picture, no? It is so beautiful that I can almost suspend disbelief and think this is not acting. And is this not Ennis: eyes closed but holding on, no matter what?
It is amazing how stills like this seem to capture the essence of the scenes in a way more concentrated than if you see the stills in motion...
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<^( Beautiful
It is so difficult starting the day with this pic. It is painfully beautiful.
Jack's eyes are half-closed, while Ennis's are shut. They need not really see how the other feels. They know.
Ledger and Gyllenhaal are superb in this scene. They take your breath away.
tpe it is true what you say about Heath and Jake in this scene.....they do indeed take my breath away. Every time. It made me wonder about the actual filming of the scene, and how they approached that scene, and what input (if any) there was from Ang, or if they were just left to plan the scene themselves. I know Jake has said in interviews that they approached it like a dance, but that was more the kissing aspect of it, but I was thinking more about the little things in that scene, particularly how Ennis is and what he does. When you read the screenplay, it is clear that something intense and passionate is going on, but you dont get the tiny nuances, the looks and smiles and touches -and that head nuzzle. <^( As far as we were concerned, the acting was so spellbounding in this scene that Heath and Jake WERE Ennis and Jack, and they were madly and passionately in love.
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But the poems pale beside the picture, no? It is so beautiful that I can almost suspend disbelief and think this is not acting. And is this not Ennis: eyes closed but holding on, no matter what?
It is amazing how stills like this seem to capture the essence of the scenes in a way more concentrated than if you see the stills in motion...
To me the beauty of this picture really pays tribute to these actors' abilities. There's not a moment that seems out of sync with their characters--even this still shows them so married to each other, so perfectly aligned with one another's actions and expressions. It takes my breath away.
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tpe and mississaugared, both pieces of poetry are so beautiful and yes, very very fitting for this scene. tpe, there is one line that stands out to me in yours:
"I miss him in the weeping of the rain"
That just is so so sad and conjures up images of Ennis, heartbroken in his solace and inconsolable with his loss....... :\'( :\'( :\'(
Thank you Christie. But the poems pale beside the picture, no? It is so beautiful that I can almost suspend disbelief and think this is not acting. And is this not Ennis: eyes closed but holding on, no matter what?
It is amazing how stills like this seem to capture the essence of the scenes in a way more concentrated than if you see the stills in motion...
Of course, no words could actually do justice to the vision of that picture. You express my sentiments EXACTLY about this scene tpe. I feel the same way. I have found myself just looking at this picture, and seeing so much in that timeless moment, that it's hard to look away.
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Of course, no words could actually do justice to the vision of that picture. You express my sentiments EXACTLY about this scene tpe. I feel the same way. I have found myself just looking at this picture, and seeing so much in that timeless moment, that it's hard to look away.
You know, in some ways, this pic is more powerful than pix showing the actual kiss. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong in this. But there is something in the way they do this that calls to mind a profound longing -- a need as deep as life itself.
You have the words: it is timeless. Time stands still. I want it to last forever.
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Thank you Christie. But the poems pale beside the picture, no? It is so beautiful that I can almost suspend disbelief and think this is not acting. And is this not Ennis: eyes closed but holding on, no matter what?
It is amazing how stills like this seem to capture the essence of the scenes in a way more concentrated than if you see the stills in motion...
I so agree -- the stills express an essence, like a poem does -- a distillation of all the words in the language down down to the fewest that will express what is being expressed. Alchemy. In the movie, a distillation of the rushing by of life into these exquisite timeless moments.
And indeed, Heath and Jake are consummate "actors," or else they found some "magic" inside themselves to tune into these characters and be them. More alchemy.
"Ennis: eyes closed but holding on." Jack: wanting more, wanting more.
kathy
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Thank you Christie. But the poems pale beside the picture, no? It is so beautiful that I can almost suspend disbelief and think this is not acting. And is this not Ennis: eyes closed but holding on, no matter what?
It is amazing how stills like this seem to capture the essence of the scenes in a way more concentrated than if you see the stills in motion...
I so agree -- the stills express an essence, like a poem does -- a distillation of all the words in the language down down to the fewest that will express what is being expressed. Alchemy. In the movie, a distillation of the rushing by of life into these exquisite timeless moments.
And indeed, Heath and Jake are consummate "actors," or else they found some "magic" inside themselves to tune into these characters and be them. More alchemy.
"Ennis: eyes closed but holding on." Jack: wanting more, wanting more.
kathy
Thank you kathy. I love your reference to magic here. :)
For some reason, it called to mind this curious poem by Cavafy. I hope you do not find it far-fetched:
"What distillate can be discovered from herbs
of a witching brew," said an aesthete,
"what distillate prepared according
to the formulas of ancient Grecosyrian magi
which for a day (if no longer
its potency can last), or even for a short time
can bring my twenty three years to me
again; can bring my friend of twenty two
to me again -- his beauty, his love.
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Of course, no words could actually do justice to the vision of that picture. You express my sentiments EXACTLY about this scene tpe. I feel the same way. I have found myself just looking at this picture, and seeing so much in that timeless moment, that it's hard to look away.
You know, in some ways, this pic is more powerful than pix showing the actual kiss. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong in this. But there is something in the way they do this that calls to mind a profound longing -- a need as deep as life itself.
You have the words: it is timeless. Time stands still. I want it to last forever.
You all are breaking and warming my heart here! :\'( The poems, the replies...such wonderful responses to what is probably the most romantic moment ever portrayed on film.
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You all are breaking and warming my heart here! :\'( The poems, the replies...such wonderful responses to what is probably the most romantic moment ever portrayed on film.
City Slickin' Cowboy, we join you in an appreciation for both the beauty and power of this scene.
There is nothing like it in the whole world.
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I always wonder each time I watch this scene...bearing in mind that they are fabulously talented actors and all.
As actors they were able to let go of their deepest inhibitions...and be Jack and Ennis...In those moments of letting go...they must have FELT something as human beings...not actors. Hence the beautiful realism...
I know in interviews Heath and Jake downplay the controversy and try their best not to focus on "the kissing" but I would bet good money that they were both like..."YUMMMMMMMMMMY" !!! They must have been turned on at some point...sexuality issues be damned...Am I the only one that has pondered this????????
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I always wonder each time I watch this scene...bearing in mind that they are fabulously talented actors and all.
As actors they were able to let go of their deepest inhibitions...and be Jack and Ennis...In those moments of letting go...they must have FELT something as human beings...not actors. Hence the beautiful realism...
I know in interviews Heath and Jake downplay the controversy and try their best not to focus on "the kissing" but I would bet good money that they were both like..."YUMMMMMMMMMMY" !!! They must have been turned on at some point...sexuality issues be damned...Am I the only one that has pondered this????????
The thought has crossed my mind. I know they have stated that they "mapped" out the kiss, but the outcome was so realistic. Even actors in hetero pairings have admitted some enjoyment while shooting these types of scenes. I would faint if word got out that either Heath or Jake actually enjoyed it on some level.
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The thought has crossed my mind. I know they have stated that they "mapped" out the kiss, but the outcome was so realistic. Even actors in hetero pairings have admitted some enjoyment while shooting these types of scenes. I would faint if word got out that either Heath or Jake actually enjoyed it on some level.
Thank You!!!!!! I'm not the only one!!!!!!!!
Mapped out Schmapped out.........I choreographed dance in my younger days. Ask me if we enjoyed the routine any less because it was choreographed!!! Dancing is dancing!!!!!!!!!
If that kind of word got out, I would be laid out right next to you!!!!
:d)
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I always wonder each time I watch this scene...bearing in mind that they are fabulously talented actors and all.
As actors they were able to let go of their deepest inhibitions...and be Jack and Ennis...In those moments of letting go...they must have FELT something as human beings...not actors. Hence the beautiful realism...
I know in interviews Heath and Jake downplay the controversy and try their best not to focus on "the kissing" but I would bet good money that they were both like..."YUMMMMMMMMMMY" !!! They must have been turned on at some point...sexuality issues be damned...Am I the only one that has pondered this????????
You are certainly not the only one who has pondered this. Especially for men who have not yet been with another man (and same for women), the experience is so powerful and arousing. Even though they were "acting" and there were camera crews there...I don't know how it couldn't have affected them. I'm thinking, for instance, of the SNIT scene, the incredibly emotional tenderness, then Ennis/Heath lying down with Jack/Jake, and Jack/Jake lowering his body on top of Ennis's/Heath's, and the beautiful kissing -- how could Heath and Jake not have been aroused by that? Especially as they were trying to make it as authentic as they could. Same with the reunion embrace -- they were SO Ennis and Jack there, in the most essential of ways, down to their very cores, and I would think that that powerful strength of men loving each other would just have to affect them. The whole movie, their interactions of "acting" like men in love. They did it so beautifully, so they obviously put their whole selves into it.
Besides, not to be too crass or anything, but we do see several shots of them where they clearly are aroused, so excuse me :) The male response (not that I can speak like an expert here; only second-hand) is so wonderful in its...what are the words...how relatively easy men get turned on...in its overtness and visibility, and no matter what they say, Heath and Jake shared something very strong on an emotional and a physical level. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I do like to stress, though, that I'm not a Heath/Jake freak, but I am so an Ennis/Jack freak. So I don't mean to belabor this point...but I sure did, didn't I? I obviously have thought a lot about this. ^*()
kathy
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I think somewhere on this site someone had quotes to an article or summat where Heath said something like "it wasn't like I was kissing a mules ass" and someplace else he said that Yes, Jake is a good kisser... enjoyable or not, a kiss is a kiss...
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I remember hearing (or reading) about him saying that Jake was good kisser.
I'd rather not think about Heath and Jake getting any kind of pleasure from the scenes though - I just prefer to think of them playing the parts so well that we can even be discussing whether they did, if you know what I mean.
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I always wonder each time I watch this scene...bearing in mind that they are fabulously talented actors and all.
As actors they were able to let go of their deepest inhibitions...and be Jack and Ennis...In those moments of letting go...they must have FELT something as human beings...not actors. Hence the beautiful realism...
I know in interviews Heath and Jake downplay the controversy and try their best not to focus on "the kissing" but I would bet good money that they were both like..."YUMMMMMMMMMMY" !!! They must have been turned on at some point...sexuality issues be damned...Am I the only one that has pondered this????????
You are certainly not the only one who has pondered this. Especially for men who have not yet been with another man (and same for women), the experience is so powerful and arousing. Even though they were "acting" and there were camera crews there...I don't know how it couldn't have affected them. I'm thinking, for instance, of the SNIT scene, the incredibly emotional tenderness, then Ennis/Heath lying down with Jack/Jake, and Jack/Jake lowering his body on top of Ennis's/Heath's, and the beautiful kissing -- how could Heath and Jake not have been aroused by that? Especially as they were trying to make it as authentic as they could. Same with the reunion embrace -- they were SO Ennis and Jack there, in the most essential of ways, down to their very cores, and I would think that that powerful strength of men loving each other would just have to affect them. The whole movie, their interactions of "acting" like men in love. They did it so beautifully, so they obviously put their whole selves into it.
Besides, not to be too crass or anything, but we do see several shots of them where they clearly are aroused, so excuse me :) The male response (not that I can speak like an expert here; only second-hand) is so wonderful in its...what are the words...how relatively easy men get turned on...in its overtness and visibility, and no matter what they say, Heath and Jake shared something very strong on an emotional and a physical level. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I do like to stress, though, that I'm not a Heath/Jake freak, but I am so an Ennis/Jack freak. So I don't mean to belabor this point...but I sure did, didn't I? I obviously have thought a lot about this. ^*()
kathy
Thanks for belaboring...well put!!
AMAZING how these two were able to put it all out there for the world to see. As for the male response, I wonder if they had any idea how closely scrutinized there every move,twitch,wink,look would be scrutinized. I bet if they did, they would have worn double tightey whiteys!!! But all joking aside, even that in itself contirbutes to the authenticity of their performances on a whole different level. Captivating stuff!
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I think somewhere on this site someone had quotes to an article or summat where Heath said something like "it wasn't like I was kissing a mules ass" and someplace else he said that Yes, Jake is a good kisser... enjoyable or not, a kiss is a kiss...
Thanks for that...naughty little Brokahaalic!!!
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I remember hearing (or reading) about him saying that Jake was good kisser.
I'd rather not think about Heath and Jake getting any kind of pleasure from the scenes though - I just prefer to think of them playing the parts so well that we can even be discussing whether they did, if you know what I mean.
I know exactly what you mean. They played their parts artfully. Poetry in motion. I still can't help those thoughts though...if you know what I mean!!
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It's not even just the kissing they do well--it's also the hugging, the nuzzling, the clutching, the grabbing, the caressing . . . . an endless list of skills. ;)
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It's not even just the kissing they do well--it's also the hugging, the nuzzling, the clutching, the grabbing, the caressing . . . . an endless list of skills. ;)
Yes, and the eye contact, the way they look into each other's eyes, particularly in this scene - and the body language - just everything. It's so utterly convincing, it's almost like peeking at someone else's private moments and forgetting this is a work of fiction. Mindblowing.
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The unglamorous setting too - this isn't Hollywood prettied up stuff with moonlight and roses. It's outside the back of a laundrette in a scruffy stair-well. you can't imagine anything more mundane - and the intensity of their passion is even greater in contrast, and more believable.
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The unglamorous setting too - this isn't Hollywood prettied up stuff with moonlight and roses. It's outside the back of a laundrette in a scruffy stair-well. you can't imagine anything more mundane - and the intensity of their passion is even greater in contrast, and more believable.
Yes, and it isn't the camera searching for the best angle to make the two leads look the most attractive - it's very raw, lots of grunting, screwed up faces, squashed noses, you just know Ennis stinks of beer and cigarettes and Jack probably the same, and it doesn't matter - it's a passion, an intense need finally being acted upon.
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The unglamorous setting too - this isn't Hollywood prettied up stuff with moonlight and roses. It's outside the back of a laundrette in a scruffy stair-well. you can't imagine anything more mundane - and the intensity of their passion is even greater in contrast, and more believable.
Yes, and it isn't the camera searching for the best angle to make the two leads look the most attractive - it's very raw, lots of grunting, screwed up faces, squashed noses, you just know Ennis stinks of beer and cigarettes and Jack probably the same, and it doesn't matter - it's a passion, an intense need finally being acted upon.
It reminds me the alley scene I mentioned in another thread ...like peeping at them through "keyhole",such a private moment
It feels like we intruding almost...
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It reminds me the alley scene I mentioned in another thread ...like peeping at them through "keyhole",such a private moment
It feels like we intruding almost...
So true--Ang Lee is so brilliant to almost put us in Alma's position here. We see something that we really shouldn't--although, unlike her, we're glad to see them embrace. (understatement, anyone??) And I think we find it just that much more beautiful because we're right up close to them. We can see them, panting, turning red, Jack crumpling Ennis's shirt, Ennis holding Jack's ear until it pops out between his fingers :), and all the other everyday details. That's why we LOVE it so--they are so real.
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And no real words - passion has taken their breath away and words are redundant in the face of such strong desire.
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we find it just that much more beautiful because we're right up close to them. We can see them, panting, turning red, Jack crumpling Ennis's shirt, Ennis holding Jack's ear until it pops out between his fingers :), and all the other everyday details. That's why we LOVE it so--they are so real.
This has brouyght a whole new dimension to this scene actually...love it for all those reasons, but this tiny detail just made it that more believable and realistic :)
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And no real words - passion has taken their breath away and words are redundant in the face of such strong desire.
I agree. There were no words that could have enhanced this scene. Passion has a way of speaking volumes.
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I can't tell you how happy I was when I first saw that scene - didn't know what the reunion was gonna be like, and I already said that it took my breath away, but I was also so happy when Ennis grabbed Jack and kissed him, and then when Jack kissed him back - I thought my heart was going to explode with happiness!!!
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I can't tell you how happy I was when I first saw that scene - didn't know what the reunion was gonna be like, and I already said that it took my breath away, but I was also so happy when Ennis grabbed Jack and kissed him, and then when Jack kissed him back - I thought my heart was going to explode with happiness!!!
oh, I completely agree! I feel like Ang Lee wanted to surprise us, the viewers, as much as Jack himself was surprised by Ennis's enthusiastic greeting. :)
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I can't tell you how happy I was when I first saw that scene - didn't know what the reunion was gonna be like, and I already said that it took my breath away, but I was also so happy when Ennis grabbed Jack and kissed him, and then when Jack kissed him back - I thought my heart was going to explode with happiness!!!
oh, I completely agree! I feel like Ang Lee wanted to surprise us, the viewers, as much as Jack himself was surprised by Ennis's enthusiastic greeting. :)
I expected the kiss from the short story. In fact, a number of my friends were discussing what it would be like last October (seemed like some of them heard about this particular scene). But nothing prepared me for how beautifully it was enacted. Yes, you do feel like you would burst with happiness for them both.
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It's not even just the kissing they do well--it's also the hugging, the nuzzling, the clutching, the grabbing, the caressing . . . . an endless list of skills. ;)
Yes, and the eye contact, the way they look into each other's eyes, particularly in this scene - and the body language - just everything. It's so utterly convincing, it's almost like peeking at someone else's private moments and forgetting this is a work of fiction. Mindblowing.
That's what I am always so awestruck by, the genuineness of the acting. These are very subtle things -- not like some guy and babe getting the hots for each other at a disco or something banal like that. An actor can "act" that easily. But this seems so not like acting. Even though we know it is. This is an unusual falling in love, and their every single look, all the body language, and then, the hugging and kissing and sex and all of it, the pain...it is just amazing and so beautiful. I know I have said these words before, and you just said them, aimi15 and shieldmaid, so why am I saying them again? Because I'm a crazed brokeback nut.
kathy :c)
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The unglamorous setting too - this isn't Hollywood prettied up stuff with moonlight and roses. It's outside the back of a laundrette in a scruffy stair-well. you can't imagine anything more mundane - and the intensity of their passion is even greater in contrast, and more believable.
Yes, and it isn't the camera searching for the best angle to make the two leads look the most attractive - it's very raw, lots of grunting, screwed up faces, squashed noses, you just know Ennis stinks of beer and cigarettes and Jack probably the same, and it doesn't matter - it's a passion, an intense need finally being acted upon.
Cool, aimi. I'm chuckling at how you said it, but it's true. It's so raw and real... Thank you not only Heath and Jake, but Ang and Rodrigo.
kathy
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It's not even just the kissing they do well--it's also the hugging, the nuzzling, the clutching, the grabbing, the caressing . . . . an endless list of skills. ;)
Yes, and the eye contact, the way they look into each other's eyes, particularly in this scene - and the body language - just everything. It's so utterly convincing, it's almost like peeking at someone else's private moments and forgetting this is a work of fiction. Mindblowing.
That's what I am always so awestruck by, the genuineness of the acting. These are very subtle things -- not like some guy and babe getting the hots for each other at a disco or something banal like that. An actor can "act" that easily. But this seems so not like acting. Even though we know it is. This is an unusual falling in love, and their every single look, all the body language, and then, the hugging and kissing and sex and all of it, the pain...it is just amazing and so beautiful. I know I have said these words before, and you just said them, aimi15 and shieldmaid, so why am I saying them again? Because I'm a crazed brokeback nut.
kathy :c)
Who cares that we are repeating ourselves, because we are able to talk as much as we like about this film here, and thats the beauty of it. I love hearing about people's interpretations of scenes, and you expressed yourself so well here, you are right, it doesnt feel like acting. Thats what I was blown away by when I first saw it. I couldnt believe that two actors could portray this kind of longing and loving and passion and make it as authentic, beautiful and REAL as they did. But they did.
Thats the beauty of their acting, that they made it real.
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It's not even just the kissing they do well--it's also the hugging, the nuzzling, the clutching, the grabbing, the caressing . . . . an endless list of skills. ;)
Yes, and the eye contact, the way they look into each other's eyes, particularly in this scene - and the body language - just everything. It's so utterly convincing, it's almost like peeking at someone else's private moments and forgetting this is a work of fiction. Mindblowing.
That's what I am always so awestruck by, the genuineness of the acting. These are very subtle things -- not like some guy and babe getting the hots for each other at a disco or something banal like that. An actor can "act" that easily. But this seems so not like acting. Even though we know it is. This is an unusual falling in love, and their every single look, all the body language, and then, the hugging and kissing and sex and all of it, the pain...it is just amazing and so beautiful. I know I have said these words before, and you just said them, aimi15 and shieldmaid, so why am I saying them again? Because I'm a crazed brokeback nut.
kathy :c)
Who cares that we are repeating ourselves, because we are able to talk as much as we like about this film here, and thats the beauty of it. I love hearing about people's interpretations of scenes, and you expressed yourself so well here, you are right, it doesnt feel like acting. Thats what I was blown away by when I first saw it. I couldnt believe that two actors could portray this kind of longing and loving and passion and make it as authentic, beautiful and REAL as they did. But they did.
Thats the beauty of their acting, that they made it real.
Yep. I've said it many times before, but I'm going to say it again....when I watch Brokeback, I can't see Heath and Jake, I can only see Ennis and Jack. In scenes like SNIT, the reunion and the motel room, I do feel like I'm an intruder, watching something private and intensely emotional from the shadows, hoping that they don't see me. Weird, huh?
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It's not even just the kissing they do well--it's also the hugging, the nuzzling, the clutching, the grabbing, the caressing . . . . an endless list of skills. ;)
Yes, and the eye contact, the way they look into each other's eyes, particularly in this scene - and the body language - just everything. It's so utterly convincing, it's almost like peeking at someone else's private moments and forgetting this is a work of fiction. Mindblowing.
That's what I am always so awestruck by, the genuineness of the acting. These are very subtle things -- not like some guy and babe getting the hots for each other at a disco or something banal like that. An actor can "act" that easily. But this seems so not like acting. Even though we know it is. This is an unusual falling in love, and their every single look, all the body language, and then, the hugging and kissing and sex and all of it, the pain...it is just amazing and so beautiful. I know I have said these words before, and you just said them, aimi15 and shieldmaid, so why am I saying them again? Because I'm a crazed brokeback nut.
kathy :c)
Who cares that we are repeating ourselves, because we are able to talk as much as we like about this film here, and thats the beauty of it. I love hearing about people's interpretations of scenes, and you expressed yourself so well here, you are right, it doesnt feel like acting. Thats what I was blown away by when I first saw it. I couldnt believe that two actors could portray this kind of longing and loving and passion and make it as authentic, beautiful and REAL as they did. But they did.
Thats the beauty of their acting, that they made it real.
Yep. I've said it many times before, but I'm going to say it again....when I watch Brokeback, I can't see Heath and Jake, I can only see Ennis and Jack. In scenes like SNIT, the reunion and the motel room, I do feel like I'm an intruder, watching something private and intensely emotional from the shadows, hoping that they don't see me. Weird, huh?
Not weird at all. That's how we all feel. well I do anyway. The SNIT scene is probably the most intimate, for me anyway, because you have to think that they are on a mountain somewhere with noone else around, just the two of them, alone in a tent, and Ennis has made this life-changing decision to go into that tent, to be with the only person who he has ever felt closely connected with, but he's shy, he's nervous, he's vulnerable - so yes, its a very private and emotional moment. I think if you watch that and dont feel something stirring in your heart, then I'd say thats what's weird.
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I think if you watch that and dont feel something stirring in your heart, then I'd say thats what's weird.
Amen to that Christie. :)
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I think if you watch that and dont feel something stirring in your heart, then I'd say thats what's weird.
Huh. Well, I guess I know a lot of weird people then!
On the subject of the reunion embrace, I lent my DVD to a friend while I was on holiday. She was very unsure about watching it because she said she didn't want to see Jake kissing Heath (she's a Jake fan) but I'm happy to say that she really enjoyed it. I persuaded her to watch it again before she gave it back and encouraged her to make use of the slow motion option on the reunion kiss....she was very impressed with the boys facial expressions, and I think maybe we have a convert O0
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I think if you watch that and dont feel something stirring in your heart, then I'd say thats what's weird.
Huh. Well, I guess I know a lot of weird people then!
On the subject of the reunion embrace, I lent my DVD to a friend while I was on holiday. She was very unsure about watching it because she said she didn't want to see Jake kissing Heath (she's a Jake fan) but I'm happy to say that she really enjoyed it. I persuaded her to watch it again before she gave it back and encouraged her to make use of the slow motion option on the reunion kiss....she was very impressed with the boys facial expressions, and I think maybe we have a convert O0
Yay, go Lindsey. I'm glad that you got her to watch it TWICE!!! Very impressive. ;D
I know a lot of weird people too, so dont worry. I just dont talk about BBM to a lot of my friends, because I know they just wouldnt get it.
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I just dont talk about BBM to a lot of my friends, because I know they just wouldnt get it.
Hmmm. I talk about BBM every day to lots of my friends.....all of you guys on here :-*
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On the subject of the reunion embrace, I lent my DVD to a friend while I was on holiday. She was very unsure about watching it because she said she didn't want to see Jake kissing Heath (she's a Jake fan) but I'm happy to say that she really enjoyed it. I persuaded her to watch it again before she gave it back and encouraged her to make use of the slow motion option on the reunion kiss....she was very impressed with the boys facial expressions, and I think maybe we have a convert O0
I'm glad you encouraged your friend to view the film again. I'm not surprised she was impressed after watching the reunion scene in slo mo. Whatever was behind her initial reservations about the film, she can't deny how well these two actors performed in this scene.
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Speaking of the reunion scene, I was in a retail store getting my PC RAM increased. The technician needed my password to bring up the system and make some adjustments after the installation of the additional memory. I forgot that I hadn't changed the background on my front screen. What does he see when my main screen pops up....the head nuzzle!
Was I embarrassed? HELL NO!! :8 :8
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I expected the kiss from the short story. In fact, a number of my friends were discussing what it would be like last October (seemed like some of them heard about this particular scene). But nothing prepared me for how beautifully it was enacted. Yes, you do feel like you would burst with happiness for them both.
I was glad I purposely didn't read the short story before the movie. So indeed, all of it was a big shockingly wonderful surprise to me. Except I had read articles, and of course everyone talking about it before it came out, so I knew that it didn't have a happy ending... But all the rest, I liked that I got to see it anew with no idea what was going to happen. Then I read the story after.
kathy
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I think if you watch that and dont feel something stirring in your heart, then I'd say thats what's weird.
Huh. Well, I guess I know a lot of weird people then!
On the subject of the reunion embrace, I lent my DVD to a friend while I was on holiday. She was very unsure about watching it because she said she didn't want to see Jake kissing Heath (she's a Jake fan) but I'm happy to say that she really enjoyed it. I persuaded her to watch it again before she gave it back and encouraged her to make use of the slow motion option on the reunion kiss....she was very impressed with the boys facial expressions, and I think maybe we have a convert O0
Yeah! I love when that happens! So far I haven't converted anyone. Some of my lesbian friends and some of my gay male friends maybe "liked" it, maybe "loved" it, thought it "important" even, but were not so totally stirred by it -- I always find that odd, especially the men. One good male friend, though, that I don't see too often, and when I saw him found out he was so devastated, and I told him to come to ennisjack.com...but I don't know if he has. And of my straight friends, I wish I could totally convert the one that I go out with on Halloween, because we're doing Ennis and Jack, but she's just not into it like I am, doesn't know the whole movie by heart, etc. She isn't turned on by men together -- that's one difference. She likes it, she has no problem with it, but it doesn't stir her... BTW, I'm Ennis and she's Jack. She's dark-haired but she's the taller one. Oh god, I'm sorry, OT OT OT -- very sorry. Bye.
kathy
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Speaking of the reunion scene, I was in a retail store getting my PC RAM increased. The technician needed my password to bring up the system and make some adjustments after the installation of the additional memory. I forgot that I hadn't changed the background on my front screen. What does he see when my main screen pops up....the head nuzzle!
Was I embarrassed? HELL NO!! :8 :8
You go, cowboy!
kathy
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Speaking of the reunion scene, I was in a retail store getting my PC RAM increased. The technician needed my password to bring up the system and make some adjustments after the installation of the additional memory. I forgot that I hadn't changed the background on my front screen. What does he see when my main screen pops up....the head nuzzle!
Was I embarrassed? HELL NO!! :8 :8
When I want to talk about this movie with friends and feel embarrassed by my passion for it, I always think of Jack wanting to live "a sweet life" with Ennis--he would have been proud to live that life with him, and so should we be, loving a film like this one. :) Sorry, OT! If we all could experience a reunion kiss like this one, we'd never be ashamed of our passions, I think.
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Speaking of the reunion scene, I was in a retail store getting my PC RAM increased. The technician needed my password to bring up the system and make some adjustments after the installation of the additional memory. I forgot that I hadn't changed the background on my front screen. What does he see when my main screen pops up....the head nuzzle!
Was I embarrassed? HELL NO!! :8 :8
When I want to talk about this movie with friends and feel embarrassed by my passion for it, I always think of Jack wanting to live "a sweet life" with Ennis--he would have been proud to live that life with him, and so should we be, loving a film like this one. :) Sorry, OT! If we all could experience a reunion kiss like this one, we'd never be ashamed of our passions, I think.
It's not OT darlin! I agree soooo much!!
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After waiting all day, lots of pacing, ignoring Alma, 8 beers, and who knows how many packs of smokes , he hears the truck pull up . Jack,Jack, the real love of his life has finally arrived I myself could feel the tension anxiety Ennis felt. Then he sees him and seemed to say,God he looks good. when they finally hug Ennis thinks" have you back in my arms again finally!It's not a dream . I can feel you.Touch you... unbelievale. Two fine actors.
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After waiting all day, lots of pacing, ignoring Alma, 8 beers, and who knows how many packs of smokes , he hears the truck pull up . Jack,Jack, the real love of his life has finally arrived I myself could feel the tension anxiety Ennis felt. Then he sees him and seemed to say,God he looks good. when they finally hug Ennis thinks" have you back in my arms again finally!It's not a dream . I can feel you.Touch you... unbelievale. Two fine actors.
You bet!! This scene won't be topped by anyone in the near future.
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Off to watch it again then bed...that makes for a good days sleep :)
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You bet!! This scene won't be topped by anyone in the near future.
I can not imagine how it could possibly be topped, ever. If however, it ever is, somehow, I definitely want to see that!
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After waiting all day, lots of pacing, ignoring Alma, 8 beers, and who knows how many packs of smokes , he hears the truck pull up . Jack,Jack, the real love of his life has finally arrived I myself could feel the tension anxiety Ennis felt. Then he sees him and seemed to say,God he looks good. when they finally hug Ennis thinks" have you back in my arms again finally!It's not a dream . I can feel you.Touch you... unbelievale. Two fine actors.
A big Ennis-Jack reunion hug of a welcome to you, by the way. You've come to the right place.
You're so right, the feeling of that scene. These men are amazing, to be able to give us Ennis and Jack with such a depth of emotion, that we would feel the anxiety and tension as Ennis waits, then feel the relief and excitement when Jack finally comes, then the amazing intensity (to put it mildly) of the hugging and kissing. So powerful and so subtle at the same time. Men who cared so much to give us Ennis and Jack that we would love so much...
kathy :c)
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Jackj had no idea how he would be recieved by Ennis after four fu%#ing years. He redlined it all the way but it must've been a long trip for him, not knowing what to expectA tribute to Jack's hopefull spirit. All the more we want to cheer when he gets the reaction that he does .My,my,my, when Ennis saw him he ran down those steps! The sneaky little look around before he pushes his "little darlin back against the wall and plants the most powerfull kiss on him that I've ever seen in a film.Jack did'nt expect this but must have been soaring insde.The grasping,clinging way he held on was very telling for both. neither one wanted to let go . The look on Jack's face....(This i my Ennis?) PRICELESS.
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Jackj had no idea how he would be recieved by Ennis after four fu%#ing years. He redlined it all the way but it must've been a long trip for him, not knowing what to expectA tribute to Jack's hopefull spirit. All the more we want to cheer when he gets the reaction that he does .My,my,my, when Ennis saw him he ran down those steps! The sneaky little look around before he pushes his "little darlin back against the wall and plants the most powerfull kiss on him that I've ever seen in a film.Jack did'nt expect this but must have been soaring insde.The grasping,clinging way he held on was very telling for both. neither one wanted to let go . The look on Jack's face....(This i my Ennis?) PRICELESS.
I think you really understand this scene. POWERFUL!!
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When they go upstairs to meet Alma, Jack never comes all the way into the room where she is.I think he knows that she knows.I had to laugh when he said the comment about about "smiles alot",because she definitely aint smilin! I think he knows she knows but does'nt give a damn at this point because he wants Ennis really bad right now,in more ways than one, The look says ( " I know you know but I'm sorry he's mine at least for tonight ") Hightails it out.
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When they go upstairs to meet Alma, Jack never comes all the way into the room where she is.I think he knows that she knows.I had to laugh when he said the comment about about "smiles alot",because she definitely aint smilin! I think he knows she knows but does'nt give a damn at this point because he wants Ennis really bad right now,in more ways than one, The look says ( " I know you know but I'm sorry he's mine at least for tonight ") Hightails it out.
Yeah, Jack was sure marking his territory there when he gave that look to Alma. That look says, "back off" for sure. Just one of the subtelties you have to watch the movie more than once to pick up on (at least for me). Then, Ennis gives that "hurry your ass up Jack" look when he grabs his coat. Neither of them can wait to get their hands all over each other. :d)
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I always imagine Ennis at this point to be mentally contrasting what he feels for Jack with his feelings for Alma, and seeing the huge gulf between them. The conversation is so artificial - none of the three seems to know what to say or what they're saying. So many violent emotions rushing up in each, so different in each case.
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When they go upstairs to meet Alma, Jack never comes all the way into the room where she is.I think he knows that she knows.I had to laugh when he said the comment about about "smiles alot",because she definitely aint smilin! I think he knows she knows but does'nt give a damn at this point because he wants Ennis really bad right now,in more ways than one, The look says ( " I know you know but I'm sorry he's mine at least for tonight ") Hightails it out.
I noticed that "look" but never really read into it...It does look like he is saying with his eyes exactly what you described..."im sorry, but this is my man" and not just for tonight...He was saying I feel sorry for you sweetie, but just don't try and stop me!
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Good to know there's other night owls out there . It's clear that Alma blames Jack for btrayal of her husband somehow, but Ennis is definitly not off the hook in this.The next morning when Ennis returns home, and announces that he and Jack are gonna go " do some fishin"Alma hurries to the window and sees Jack is still there,she panics and goes into desperate attempts to save her marriage. Following Ennis from room to room trying anything to keep him with her.Sure Ennis sees the contrast and leans towards the one he feels can complete him the most. Jack.
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Am I off topic again?
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Night owl indeed...i work the graveyard shift! We are straying a bit but its all connected. Speaking of those desperate attempts by Alma...Didnt it seem like she wanted to say something that morning? If she had illicited a different response from Ennis with the remark about having him in for some coffee, the conversation may have taken a whole different direction. Wouldnt that be a scene if Jack F. Twist came in for some coffee???? :8
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Ha ha - I can just imagine how relaxed the conversation over coffee would have been ::) ;D
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Ha ha - I can just imagine how relaxed the conversation over coffee would have been ::) ;D
So can I....
Alma: So, Jack...how do you like yer coffee?
Jack: uh cream and sugar maam.
Alma: Here's the cream...I think you've had enough sugar!
(Sorry...I just couldn't resist! >:D)
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Ha ha - I can just imagine how relaxed the conversation over coffee would have been ::) ;D
So can I....
Alma: So, Jack...how do you like yer coffee?
Jack: uh cream and sugar maam.
Alma: Here's the cream...I think you've had enough sugar!
(Sorry...I just couldn't resist! >:D)
Someone with a smuttier mind than me might say he'd had enough cream the night before, as well ;) Sorry!!! :-[
Back on topic, that look Jack gives Alma, (with his tongue showing!), is definitely saying "sorry luv, you're second best here, by a long way".No wonder Alma christened him Jack Nasty! If it was anyone else but Ennis and Jack, I'd feel so sorry for Alma, (well, I do feel sorry for her,it's not her fault), but, like Ennis and Jack themselves, all I care about is them being reunited at last :)
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Ha ha - I can just imagine how relaxed the conversation over coffee would have been ::) ;D
So can I....
Alma: So, Jack...how do you like yer coffee?
Jack: uh cream and sugar maam.
Alma: Here's the cream...I think you've had enough sugar!
(Sorry...I just couldn't resist! >:D)
Someone with a smuttier mind than me might say he'd had enough cream the night before, as well ;) Sorry!!! :-[
Back on topic, that look Jack gives Alma, (with his tongue showing!), is definitely saying "sorry luv, you're second best here, by a long way".No wonder Alma christened him Jack Nasty! If it was anyone else but Ennis and Jack, I'd feel so sorry for Alma, (well, I do feel sorry for her,it's not her fault), but, like Ennis and Jack themselves, all I care about is them being reunited at last :)
I agree. As you said it's not Alma's fault. Despite my sorrow for her situation I can't help but be preoccupied with Ennis and Jack finally being with each other after 4 years.
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And alma has had Ennis for four years; OK, he shouldn't have married her, but being Ennis he had to do what he's promised to do, but she hasn't made him happy or contented or complete as Jack does in a few seconds, and long before they get to the motel and into bed. When Ennis sees Jack and smiles, then lepas down the stairs, Alma's history, though she doesn't know it. And there's nothing she can do - that kiss united Jack and Ennis and confirmed their love for each other.
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Remember, He"s from Texas he does'nt drink coffee! ha ha. This line always gets me.
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And alma has had Ennis for four years; OK, he shouldn't have married her, but being Ennis he had to do what he's promised to do, but she hasn't made him happy or contented or complete as Jack does in a few seconds, and long before they get to the motel and into bed. When Ennis sees Jack and smiles, then lepas down the stairs, Alma's history, though she doesn't know it. And there's nothing she can do - that kiss united Jack and Ennis and confirmed their love for each other.
Im pretty sure Alma was history in Ennis heart from the mountain. Ennis so did not want to leave and go back to her. Ennis left his heart on Brokeback............I LEFT MY HEART ON BROKEBACK!!!
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Remember, He"s from Texas he does'nt drink coffee! ha ha. This line always gets me.
I love that line too...Ennis mind was sooooooo somewhere else. He was anticipating a whole different question and didnt even notice Almas wisecrack!!!
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I agree. As you said it's not Alma's fault. Despite my sorrow for her situation I can't help but be preoccupied with Ennis and Jack finally being with each other after 4 years.
Me, too. I mean, it is nothing less than tragic for Alma -- and Michelle's performance is just heartbreaking. If the movie were different, if it had been from the women's perspective or something, we would see Ennis as a complete cad and want to string him up by his whatever. He is so indifferent to her that morning. As to the night before, the scene in the little hallway, well he was just out of his mind and out of breath and heart racing madly with lust and ecstatic joy... But in the morning, what a sad scene, for her; what a happy scene for him. Plus, it's interesting how Jack is just down by the truck leaning there like the hot piece that he is, knowing Ennis is coming to him, while she is frantic.
I wonder, seriously, how it would have been if Jack had come in. After what she had witnessed the night before, I wonder what in the world Alma would have thought she had to say to Jack or to Ennis, but she was willing to put herself through that? Besides, I'm sure Ennis didn't want to share Jack with Alma -- didn't want her to know him.
And I wonder if Ennis did lose his job for taking off.
Anyway, those who really want to discuss this sad marriage from Alma's point of view are doing that elsewhere. This is about Ennis and Jack...
kathy
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...Besides, I'm sure Ennis didn't want to share Jack with Alma -- didn't want her to know him.
Kathy you brought up something that really stands out all through this scene. Alma suggests taking him to the restaurant, Ennis quickly nixes that idea. When Jack finally drives up does Ennis announce his arrival to Alma? Nope!! Hell, if Alma had been in his path he might have knocked her over on the way out!
I'm sure Ennis was an average and quiet husband for 4 years. I would even bet Alma was a priority to some point in his heart. But, as mentioned earlier, once Jack arrived Alma became history. Ennis's heart (and lust) took over. Logic and any emotional obligation to Alma were out the window.
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Yhere's also the possibility that next morning he rushes in, grabs his stuff and rushes out becasue he knows what he's doing, can't help himself, can't think of any way to explain, just wants to get away from what he can't handle.
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Ha ha - I can just imagine how relaxed the conversation over coffee would have been ::) ;D
So can I....
Alma: So, Jack...how do you like yer coffee?
Jack: uh cream and sugar maam.
Alma: Here's the cream...I think you've had enough sugar!
(Sorry...I just couldn't resist! >:D)
LOL oh, my CSC, that's once scene i woulda loved to have witnessed!
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Yhere's also the possibility that next morning he rushes in, grabs his stuff and rushes out becasue he knows what he's doing, can't help himself, can't think of any way to explain, just wants to get away from what he can't handle.
I certainly wouldn't want to imply that Ennis didn't know what he was doing. He knew alright. He may not have been able to help himself, but he knew what he was doing and he knew what he wanted. Everything else be dammed for the moment.
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I think the most revealing part of this scene is from the short story where Annie says that when Jack and Ennis came up to the apaartment, Ennis could feel the floor shake under Jack's feet because of the excitement -- the aftermath of the reunion kiss. They both were so excited, their whole bodies actually shook with the aftershock. Wow! That's some powerful image, isn't it? It's one thing to see the kiss as our boys portrayed it on the screen, but to actually feel the floor shake from their high state of nervous excitement????? That's something else! I love it! The only thing they could do at that point was head for the motel. That was a given. Later, Ennis mentions how uncontrollable his emotions are when "this thing" takes us. IMo, this reunion kiss and its following sequence proves to Ennis that he is not in control of this emotion; he finally realizes that he is hooked. lamusica
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I think the most revealing part of this scene is from the short story where Annie says that when Jack and Ennis came up to the apaartment, Ennis could feel the floor shake under Jack's feet because of the excitement -- the aftermath of the reunion kiss. They both were so excited, their whole bodies actually shook with the aftershock. Wow! That's some powerful image, isn't it? It's one thing to see the kiss as our boys portrayed it on the screen, but to actually feel the floor shake from their high state of nervous excitement????? That's something else! I love it! The only thing they could do at that point was head for the motel. That was a given. Later, Ennis mentions how uncontrollable his emotions are when "this thing" takes us. IMo, this reunion kiss and its following sequence proves to Ennis that he is not in control of this emotion; he finally realizes that he is hooked. lamusica
...his heart was still young enough not to have forgotten that fear and trembling which chastened the youth, which the man indeed held in check, but which no man quite outgrows
except as he might succeed at the earliest opportunity in going further. (Kierkegaard -- Fear and Trembling)
lamusica, thank you. It is indeed a powerful image.
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Yhere's also the possibility that next morning he rushes in, grabs his stuff and rushes out becasue he knows what he's doing, can't help himself, can't think of any way to explain, just wants to get away from what he can't handle.
Good point. It's not a purposeful "indifference," but he just has no idea how to handle what he's going through and what it means to his marriage and he's just rushing to get away with Jack and that's all that's on his mind. Can't get out of there fast enough.
kathy
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I think the most revealing part of this scene is from the short story where Annie says that when Jack and Ennis came up to the apaartment, Ennis could feel the floor shake under Jack's feet because of the excitement -- the aftermath of the reunion kiss. They both were so excited, their whole bodies actually shook with the aftershock. Wow! That's some powerful image, isn't it? It's one thing to see the kiss as our boys portrayed it on the screen, but to actually feel the floor shake from their high state of nervous excitement????? That's something else! I love it! The only thing they could do at that point was head for the motel. That was a given. Later, Ennis mentions how uncontrollable his emotions are when "this thing" takes us. IMo, this reunion kiss and its following sequence proves to Ennis that he is not in control of this emotion; he finally realizes that he is hooked. lamusica
Yes, I loved that in the story! And they played it just right in the scene in the hallway there -- the nervous excitement was palpable. They'd look at each other and even that was too much, and both looked down at the floor, and poor Ennis when he looked over at Alma, how clear must that have been to her that he was in a highly agitated state! "This thing" indeed.
kathy
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I think Ennis does'nt want Alma asking to many questions about Jack . Then he'd have to explain alot more about the relationship. Alma knowing what she now knows could really corner Ennis if she chose to . remember Ennis does'nt know that Alma knows.But Alma knows Jack is alot more than just a ("fishing buddy" ) to her husband at this point . Could Alma have weilded some power here? I think she could"ve but is just too naive to do so. I wonder what a confrontation scene betwwen Jack and Alma would go like.Ennis's worst nightmare right?
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Yhere's also the possibility that next morning he rushes in, grabs his stuff and rushes out becasue he knows what he's doing, can't help himself, can't think of any way to explain, just wants to get away from what he can't handle.
Good point. It's not a purposeful "indifference," but he just has no idea how to handle what he's going through and what it means to his marriage and he's just rushing to get away with Jack and that's all that's on his mind. Can't get out of there fast enough.
kathy
We have to remember that from Ennis's pov, he doesn't know how much he hurts Alma. he doesn't know she saw them kissing, as far as she's concerned (that's what he thinks) they're just two budies going on a little fishing trip, nothing to be upset about... he's not aware of the emotional turmoil she's going through. all he can think of is to get away as fast as he can and get Jack alone, all to himself, but he believes she has no idea of that. of course, you have to be blind not to notice Alma's pale face and red eyes that morning, but Ennis was definitely blinded by his passion...
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You're right keren. He had his mind on Jack only. It probably never occurred to him that Alma may have saw that powerful kiss. If he had taken one good look at her he might have noticed that she was probably up al night crying.
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I'm not sure Ennis would have noticed even if Alma had come right out and confronted him about the kiss. He barely hears a word she says while he rushes around packing his bag and the only time he seems to see her is right before he leaves, after Alma Jr has come into the room.
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All this talk about the reunion scene is making it very tempting to pull out the DVD again.
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All this talk about the reunion scene is making it very tempting to pull out the DVD again.
I think you should give in to that temptation CSC O0 Sadly, I'm at work so I can't :(
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Yeah, go for it! How many times will that be?
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If Alma could have gatherd up enough courage to confront Ennis that morning ,said something ("who in the hell is this guy really and why was he kissing you like that"). IMO this would have completly thrown Ennis for a loop. But with his violent temper she was probably too afraid to.Ya can't help but feel for her.
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If Alma could have gatherd up enough courage to confront Ennis that morning ,said something ("who in the hell is this guy really and why was he kissing you like that"). IMO this would have completly thrown Ennis for a loop. But with his violent temper she was probably too afraid to.Ya can't help but feel for her.
Not sure the temper is all that is stopping her.
First of all what did she see? I am not sure ALma even had the word homosexual or gay in her... She didn't even use those words when she DID confront Ennis.
And second, Alma seems to me liek the sort of woman that don't say much at all about anything that bothers her... or pleases her for that matter.... cause she probably grew up beeing taught that womens pov isn't as important as a mans so no need to make a fuss...keep your mouth shut and, like ENnis says, if you can't fix it you gotta stand it :(
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Given Ennis's taciturnity, and the fact that both of them are fairly uneducated and with restricted experience of life, and they live in a society where reticence and stoicism are valued, I rather doubt that she would even think of raising such a difficult and dangerous topic even if she had the words, which she doesn't. Words are powerful magic; if you name something, you give it an existence, which is why Ennis denies he's queer.
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Given Ennis's taciturnity, and the fact that both of them are fairly uneducated and with restricted experience of life, and they live in a society where reticence and stoicism are valued, I rather doubt that she would even think of raising such a difficult and dangerous topic even if she had the words, which she doesn't. Words are powerful magic; if you name something, you give it an existence, which is why Ennis denies he's queer.
That was a much better way of saying it than what I said :) thank you WW for putting it like that ^f^ I agree with you 100 %
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Given Ennis's taciturnity, and the fact that both of them are fairly uneducated and with restricted experience of life, and they live in a society where reticence and stoicism are valued, I rather doubt that she would even think of raising such a difficult and dangerous topic even if she had the words, which she doesn't. Words are powerful magic; if you name something, you give it an existence, which is why Ennis denies he's queer.
Yes, excellent, ww. Not only these people and their society, but the times -- things just weren't all out in the open like they are now. She never said anything all those years. Wouldn't a story from her POV be interesting? How her marriage to Ennis was. I wonder if she had friends she could talk to. As time went on and she learned about these things she'd had no knowledge of. Nowdays, she would do a tell-all. OT, I guess, sorry.
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Then I wonder if she ever discussed any of this with Monroe, her second husband. What is his thinking about Alma and Ennis's failed marriage? Was Jack crying after Ennis kissed him against the wall?
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Maybe Jack is crying because he's just seen the love of his life after 4 years and he's over welmed with all these emotions that the only thing he can do is cry... or maybe because he's hurt...that kinda looked painful...
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That cowboy hat did go flying!
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He was definetely crying tears of joy!!!
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Jack crying??
*goers to check...be right back*
Don't see Jack crying....
And that pic of them inside the kitchen has got to be from another take :)
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Yeah, I don't think Jack was crying either. I think he was stunned and he was certainly, um, dishevelled, but he wasn't crying.
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He wasnt exactly crying...the emotion in his face, looks like he had tears in his eyes after the ATTACK!
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the ATTACK!
Chaaaaaaaaaarge ;D
I think he's got a look with mixed emotions... WHOA+ what? + "horny"+ MORE and then some
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He wasnt exactly crying...the emotion in his face, looks like he had tears in his eyes after the ATTACK!
Yes, I did get the same impression. It certainly looked like he was almost in tears.
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Then I wonder if she ever discussed any of this with Monroe, her second husband. What is his thinking about Alma and Ennis's failed marriage? Was Jack crying after Ennis kissed him against the wall?
Crying? Maybe... I sure as heck wouldn't blame him one bit. He redlined it all the way to Ennis not knowing the reception was going to get, but Ennis sure showed him. The kiss was unexpected from both, and I think Jack was knocked for a loop.
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He's showing the effects of the release of a huge amount of tension - building up to sending thepc, waiting for the reply, not knowing what will happen, thinking about it all the way there, then that kiss. What they're just discovered is the physical attraction between them - this thing, as Ennis later says - and how almost overwhelmingly strong it is. This is the beginning of a whole new chapter and I'm not sure either knows what to think - the urge to get off to the motel is dictated by the physical fascination; it's not till after that's satiated for the moment that they have to deal with the realities.
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How does he make it up the stairs?
His legs must have been jelly. (^)
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He wasnt exactly crying...the emotion in his face, looks like he had tears in his eyes after the ATTACK!
Yes, I did get the same impression. It certainly looked like he was almost in tears.
Thank You for the validation TPE, amazing isn't it...the way we as humans see and interpret what we intake so differently. As some people never hear the "I love You" whisper in the closet scene or even the naughty things Jack was saying in the FNIT. The welling of tears just after the kiss was what initially got me good in the reunion scene.
I was thinking...Look how happy he is, he's nearly in tears. After all those years of missing Ennis, thinking about him, wondering if he felt the same. The hurt of putting himself "out there" and seeking him out and being shot down by Mr.Aguirre, going through the motions with Lureen, while wishing for Ennis. The never having the feeling of fitting in elsewhere. Then the anticipation of the LONG drive with probably a million thoughts racing through his head, then BOOM, hits him like a ton of bricks when he gets the feeling of validation, acceptance and love when he discovers his feelings are shared by the object of his affection and love of his life, Ennis.
Some of the most powerful emotion EVER put to screen IMO.
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Yes, I agree 100%This powerfull stuff.
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I'd like to be ATTACKED like that. Ennis is a beast.
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WEll, come over here, aintfoolin. I'm sure some of us could manage something.
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I was thinking...Look how happy he is, he's nearly in tears. After all those years of missing Ennis, thinking about him, wondering if he felt the same. The hurt of putting himself "out there" and seeking him out and being shot down by Mr.Aguirre, going through the motions with Lureen, while wishing for Ennis. The never having the feeling of fitting in elsewhere. Then the anticipation of the LONG drive with probably a million thoughts racing through his head, then BOOM, hits him like a ton of bricks when he gets the feeling of validation, acceptance and love when he discovers his feelings are shared by the object of his affection and love of his life, Ennis.
Some of the most powerful emotion EVER put to screen IMO.
*SIGH* .... oh yes, so much emotions. I'm thinking of him driving to Riverton, so so excited... all those hours on the road, I doubt it he even stopped for a rest! he was probably out of his mind with excitment and anticipation, dying to see Ennis again after four years apart. and then to finally be in Ennis's arms again, and to be kissed by him like that - can there be any greater joy than that?
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I've just thought of something. Do you think Jack "read between the lines" of Ennis's reply postcard - You Bet - and realised how Ennis felt, or do you think he was unsure of how Ennis was going to react when he arrived in Riverton? I mean, when they parted it may have appeared to Jack that Ennis had no wish to continue their relationship (the punch, refusal to commit to returning to Brokeback, repeating that he and Alma were getting married) so he must have been nervous when he sent the postcard.
My personal feeling is that Jack did what he did so often over the years and read the meaning behind Ennis's words. I think if Ennis had simply replied with his address it may not have been as obvious - but "You Bet" sounds excited and happy and I think Jack realised that. He wouldn't have expected Ennis to kiss him in broad daylight like he did, but I think he did know (as he says in the motel) that things were going to get physical between them again.
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I've just thought of something. Do you think Jack "read between the lines" of Ennis's reply postcard - You Bet - and realised how Ennis felt, or do you think he was unsure of how Ennis was going to react when he arrived in Riverton? I mean, when they parted it may have appeared to Jack that Ennis had no wish to continue their relationship (the punch, refusal to commit to returning to Brokeback, repeating that he and Alma were getting married) so he must have been nervous when he sent the postcard.
My personal feeling is that Jack did what he did so often over the years and read the meaning behind Ennis's words. I think if Ennis had simply replied with his address it may not have been as obvious - but "You Bet" sounds excited and happy and I think Jack realised that. He wouldn't have expected Ennis to kiss him in broad daylight like he did, but I think he did know (as he says in the motel) that things were going to get physical between them again.
Good point, pretty vague, the "you bet" Could be non-gallant...SURE SEE YOU THEN or could mean...CANT WAIT!!!
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I don't speak American all that well, but couldn't "You bet" be either as confirmation of the naswer to Jack's implied question "if your[ Jack can't spell!] still there"?
Or just " Yes"?
I'm sure Jack read it as enthusiasm, then he had time to think about it, specially when he was on the road, and start getting nervous - Ennis's reaction must have been both surprise and a relief. I suppose he could have just said hello and offered to go for the drink Jacj had suggested, but I don;t see Ennis making polite conversation - the ruch into Jack's arms is much more with his character, particularly some of the description of him in the ss.
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I'm sure Jack read it as enthusiasm, then he had time to think about it, specially when he was on the road, and start getting nervous - Ennis's reaction must have been both surprise and a relief. I suppose he could have just said hello and offered to go for the drink Jacj had suggested, but I don;t see Ennis making polite conversation - the ruch into Jack's arms is much more with his character, particularly some of the description of him in the ss.
Iwonder how Jack must have felt when he saw that two-word response. It was so open and yet so ambiguous -- full of unsaid or perhaps imagined possibilities. Jack must have been quite elated and nervous at the same time...
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It's another example of actions speaking more loudly than words - there are many in the movie. Actions and body language are at least as important as words in BBM and they don;t lie, even when words do.
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With Ennis just having his biggest wish granted to see Jack again after that scrap on the mountain, before they parted. And Jack seeing Ennis Take Those Steps 2 at a time, I'd be leaping in those arms too!
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With Ennis just having his biggest wish granted to see Jack again after that scrap on the mountain, before they parted. And Jack seeing Ennis Take Those Steps 2 at a time, I'd be leaping in those arms too!
You bet!!
I'd be leaping,diving, drowning...in those arms too! (https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fhugging%2F2.gif&hash=f06a5429616e6e5da15baabf87310e993024f450)
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I'm still wondering what it would be like if Alma and Jack actually did have confrontation over Ennis. That would be some knock down drag out fight huh? THIS would be interesting to whatch! Alma: What do you have that I don't have? Jack: You ever dance naked in the moonlight bitch!? Smiles.
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I'm still wondering what it would be like if Alma and Jack actually did have confrontation over Ennis. That would be some knock down drag out fight huh? THIS would be interesting to whatch! Alma: What do you have that I don't have? Jack: You ever dance naked in the moonlight bitch!? Smiles.
LOLOLOL oh that would have been great.
The next mornin' after reunion:
Alma: You know, you can come up for a cup of coffee.
Jack: No thanks ma'ame I'm from Texas.
Alma: Texans don't drink coffee?
Jack: Not with our lover's wives, no ma'am. That would be too awkward. Ennis! Let's get a move on. I'm a starving from that work out last night and from that good stuff you gave me this mornin'
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CherryCake you have just a smigin of evil in you don't ya? LOL!!!! :8 :8
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I'm still wondering what it would be like if Alma and Jack actually did have confrontation over Ennis. That would be some knock down drag out fight huh? THIS would be interesting to whatch! Alma: What do you have that I don't have? Jack: You ever dance naked in the moonlight bitch!? Smiles.
LOLOLOL oh that would have been great.
The next mornin' after reunion:
Alma: You know, you can come up for a cup of coffee.
Jack: No thanks ma'ame I'm from Texas.
Alma: Texans don't drink coffee?
Jack: Not with our lover's wives, no ma'am. That would be too awkward. Ennis! Let's get a move on. I'm a starving from that work out last night and from that good stuff you gave me this mornin'
Laughing out LOUD!!!
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Just spare me any re-enactments.
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Alma : He's mine and you can't have him! Jack: I already did honey. Ennis' worst nightmare.
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Alma: Well, look what the wind blew in. Ennis, cain't you see he is just Texas trash.
Ennis: Now, Alma that ain't nice.
Jack: Hunny, I wouldn't go there if I was you. You with your dumpy housedress and torn up 'do.
Ennis: Now, now, lil darlin'...
Jack: I know, i know...
Alma: He was a-talkin' to me! And I would appreciate it if you would kindly take your hands from around my husband's waist.
Jack: Well, you might a got the papers but I got the man.
Alma: Fine. Well, I need to go get my shelves restocked.
Ennis: I thought you was off today.
Alma: Err, um, well, Monroe...
Jack: See, Ennis, I knowed there was a somethin' going on with her! Let's go. I cain't wait all day!
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I'm dyin.......Alma: your just a bull rider what can you offer him? Jack: A better ride than you darlin!
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Alma: Well, Ennis, you just gonna have to decide! Me or that bull-riding romeo. Ennis? Hello? Anyone? Is this thing on?
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Alma: How do yer lak yer coffee Jack? Jack: Good to the last drop! Sorry, could'nt resist this one Smiles.
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LOL good one, aintfoolin :P :P
But we better get a move on. Don't want no moderator catch us off topic.
That reunion scene was hot.
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Sorry, got carried away. Eh Humm lets move on.
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LOL good one, aintfoolin :P :P
But we better get a move on. Don't want no moderator catch us off topic.
That reunion scene was hot.
Good call CherryCake ;)
I know we all wanna explore this but let's try to keep fanfic in the fanfic threads :)
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Yes I agree.
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Here's my latest take on the scene . . . I feel like Ang Lee wanted us to feel as dizzy as Ennis and Jack in this moment, literally. Consider the way we're as surprised as Jack is when Ennis grabs him and shoves him against the wall--as someone said earlier, we're kind of spying on this intensely intimate moment that really no one else should be privy to. Then we're abruptly shoved into Alma's perspective and forced to witness her shock and hurt. Then we're slammed back to Ennis and Jack, wishing with them that we could just get away from the apartment and on over to the hotel. It is enough to make one's head spin . . . . again and again and again. ^f^
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And the use of the camera - tight in on the embrace, further away from Alm to emphasise her exclusion from events.
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I'm still wondering what it would be like if Alma and Jack actually did have confrontation over Ennis. That would be some knock down drag out fight huh? THIS would be interesting to whatch! Alma: What do you have that I don't have? Jack: You ever dance naked in the moonlight bitch!? Smiles.
LOLOLOL oh that would have been great.
The next mornin' after reunion:
Alma: You know, you can come up for a cup of coffee.
Jack: No thanks ma'ame I'm from Texas.
Alma: Texans don't drink coffee?
Jack: Not with our lover's wives, no ma'am. That would be too awkward. Ennis! Let's get a move on. I'm a starving from that work out last night and from that good stuff you gave me this mornin'
Cherrycake,
I luv 'ya...that is great!!!!!!! ;D
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I'm still wondering what it would be like if Alma and Jack actually did have confrontation over Ennis. That would be some knock down drag out fight huh? THIS would be interesting to whatch! Alma: What do you have that I don't have? Jack: You ever dance naked in the moonlight bitch!? Smiles.
LOLOLOL oh that would have been great.
The next mornin' after reunion:
Alma: You know, you can come up for a cup of coffee.
Jack: No thanks ma'ame I'm from Texas.
Alma: Texans don't drink coffee?
Jack: Not with our lover's wives, no ma'am. That would be too awkward. Ennis! Let's get a move on. I'm a starving from that work out last night and from that good stuff you gave me this mornin'
Cherrycake,
I luv 'ya...that is great!!!!!!! ;D
Awww thank you kindly, ma'am. :) :) I can only say I am inspired by the greateset re-union scene ever witnessed. In my book, there aint none better. First. we got Ennis, waiting like a kindergardener in a Santa line. And we got Jack anxious at the reception he don't know he's gonna get. We got the genuine smiles and missing each other. But then! Ennis surprises us all and gives us the kiss to end all-- that literally sweeps Jack off his feet! WHOO WEEE! Then, we get Jack return the favor. Finally. we see them tear apart and try and look presentable before high-tailing to the motel for some make-up lovin'.
Such inspiration!
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Here's my latest take on the scene . . . I feel like Ang Lee wanted us to feel as dizzy as Ennis and Jack in this moment, literally. Consider the way we're as surprised as Jack is when Ennis grabs him and shoves him against the wall--as someone said earlier, we're kind of spying on this intensely intimate moment that really no one else should be privy to. Then we're abruptly shoved into Alma's perspective and forced to witness her shock and hurt. Then we're slammed back to Ennis and Jack, wishing with them that we could just get away from the apartment and on over to the hotel. It is enough to make one's head spin . . . . again and again and again. ^f^
I think you could be right Shieldmaid, the way it is shot is really great isnt it? I love the way they charge into each to embrace, and the Brokeback music starts and all you see are their faces, and then all that throwing and kissing and reaching, its so intimate and private that it does take your breath away.
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Jack was holding on so tight that Ennis"s T-shirt was bein streched to the max. And the out of control breathing from Ennis like he'd explode at any second if he even looked at Jack at that point. And Jack still trying to kiss him. This is SO real it's beyond acting.
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Jack was holding on so tight that Ennis"s T-shirt was bein streched to the max. And the out of control breathing from Ennis like he'd explode at any second if he even looked at Jack at that point. And Jack still trying to kiss him. This is SO real it's beyond acting.
I like the way you said that, aintfoolin. I think I'll print your post and read it a thousand times a day ^-^
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Jack was holding on so tight that Ennis"s T-shirt was bein streched to the max. And the out of control breathing from Ennis like he'd explode at any second if he even looked at Jack at that point. And Jack still trying to kiss him. This is SO real it's beyond acting.
I like the way you said that, aintfoolin. I think I'll print your post and read it a thousand times a day ^-^
I agree. This post captures the essence of that scene: OUT OF THEIR CONTROL.
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Awww thank you kindly, ma'am. :) :) I can only say I am inspired by the greateset re-union scene ever witnessed. In my book, there aint none better. First. we got Ennis, waiting like a kindergardener in a Santa line. And we got Jack anxious at the reception he don't know he's gonna get. We got the genuine smiles and missing each other. But then! Ennis surprises us all and gives us the kiss to end all-- that literally sweeps Jack off his feet! WHOO WEEE! Then, we get Jack return the favor. Finally. we see them tear apart and try and look presentable before high-tailing to the motel for some make-up lovin'.
Such inspiration!
Why CherryCake I do believe you are as addicted to this scene as the rest of us! O0 Can't blame ya none. I can't help but wonder what is going thru Jack's mind as he watches Ennis head up the stairs. He looks stunned and breathless!
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Yes, sir, CSC, I am loving this scene, 100 per cent. Another thing I noticed in my recent viewing... is when Jack sees Ennis, he breaks out in a HUGE grin, and starts running, as Ennis is running down the stairs... they couln't wait..... 4 years. Damn!
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Yes, sir, CSC, I am loving this scene, 100 per cent. Another thing I noticed in my recent viewing... is when Jack sees Ennis, he breaks out in a HUGE grin, and starts running, as Ennis is running down the stairs... they couln't wait..... 4 years. Damn!
That grin is worth a thousand words!!!
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Yes, sir, CSC, I am loving this scene, 100 per cent. Another thing I noticed in my recent viewing... is when Jack sees Ennis, he breaks out in a HUGE grin, and starts running, as Ennis is running down the stairs... they couln't wait..... 4 years. Damn!
When you consider that when they last saw each other Ennis didn't say much as they went their separate ways. Jack pulls up, Ennis greets him with a big ol' grin and "JFT!!" Jack couldn't help but grin. At the very least, he knew that Ennis WAS glad to see him.
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Oh yeah, that grin speaks volumes. There is just the tiniest bit of apprehension in Jack's face when he first gets out the truck but then he sees how happy Ennis is to see him and he knows for sure that the journey has been worth it :)
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What was Jack probably thinking as he watched Ennis go up the stairs? "Just wait till I get that sumbithch alone In my motel room. I'll show ya Jack F##uckin Twist! till the cows come home! SMILES.
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the thing about even the first few moments, as Jack gets out of the pickup and Ennis comes down smiling is how differenly both of them behave from the way they did the last time they saw each other. The postcard exchange was laconic and unemotional but this, on both sides, is a demonstration of the way both of them are prepared to show their feelings, as opposed to allowing them out onl;y when they were alone, Jack in his pickup, Ennis in the alleyway, after their parting.
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What you said about Jack's look when Ennis goes up the steps is right on, CSC. That is one screen cap I copied. That look is so full of meaning: what the hell is going on here? What are you doing now? Where are we going to take this thing now? Jack was just so stunned, and so overwhelmed, he couldn't think straight ( no pun intended). This one look proves Jake Gyllenhaal's acting talent. Jack was in his soul in that scene, IMO.
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Yes, there are moments in the movie - this is one and the end of FNIT is another, where it's hard to distinguish the character from the actor - it looks as though Jake was going to some very deep places inside himself at times.
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He most CERTAINALLY did! So did Heath Ledger.They must've did alot of reseach together.How do they know how to feel these characters so well. This ball went deep, long and out of the park. HOMERUN!
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Maybe you guys should start a thred about at what point did Ennis or Jack KNOW they were in love? Has This Been done already?
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Maybe you guys should start a thred about at what point did Ennis or Jack KNOW they were in love? Has This Been done already?
If I recall, this had been discussed in an old thread, but am not sure which one (sigh). For example, I remember a discussion on the said thread on what could have been th earliest indication in the movie that they started to fall in love...
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Must have missed it . Will have to do more research. I'm betting it's SNIT. Jack''s eyes say " I accept you". When they reunite Ennis's eyes say I accept YOU AND ME. I thoght Jack was gonna do em right ther in the parking lot!
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Right, they forgot where they were. Good thing Ennis finally showed some restraint and peeled Jack off him or they just might have!
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lol maybe he did well they havent seen each other in 4 years so who wouldnt jump also its heath ledger
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I don't know if there is a thread about when Ennis and Jack first realized they were in love, but I think it was at the time of the reunion embrace. I think, up to that time, they missed each other, but Ennis probably didn't expect to ever see Jack again, and Jack wasn't sure Ennis ever wanted to see him again, so their love remained new and untried up to that point. At the reunion, though, everything broke loose. They were out of control -- almost lost it completely, as you mentnioned above. Get me to the motel, quick! I think that's when they both realized that what they had was something that would last. It had withstood a four-year separation; what else might it survive? (As we know, now, it even survived death!)
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IMO it was while they were still up on the mountain...Ennis was torn about leaving early...he was just acting sore about being cheated about one months pay. He was really upset about being cheated out of one month with Jack. The flashback scene shows Jack deeply in love. It's all in his eyes.
***side note***Only the elite actors can speak with their eyes as Jake does.
For Ennis, though he realized it later, but he was already in love just by his gut reaction in their departing.
Just my opinion...
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By the time four years had past, Ennis had alot of time to reflect on what he really felt for Jack. Marrying Alma was suppose to solve all his worrys, but It never fully satisfied the urge to be with Jack. He even tried to make Alma be Jack in bed. This thing was over before it started.Alma Jr. and Jenny were the only good thing to come out of this whole mess.
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I agree, gimmiejack, that Ennis was in love up on the mountain, but I don't think he really realized it. He wasn't willing to do anything, even meet Jack half-way, to keep in touch and keep what they had found alive. After the four-year separation, though, Ennis finally knew this thing had no reins -- it was not going to just go away. IMO, that's when he finally admitted to himself that he was in love with Jack.
Ditto on what you said about Jack's eyes. Has anyone ever said so much without uttering one word?
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I think we're sliding off topic but I can't help but responding to the latest posts - I don't think Ennis was able to admit to himself that he was in love with Jack, not on the mountain and not after (remember in the dozy embrace scene he was hugging Jack from behind because he didn't want to see nor feel that he was holding a man). Of course he was in love with him, but he couldn't admit that to himself, he kept fighting it all the time - until he found the shirts. only then, when he realized the depth of Jack's love for him, he was able to recognize his own feelings. Some people can hear him whisper "I love you" in this scene, which supports my opinion, and although I wasn't able to hear it myself I'm convinced it's there, in his expression, in the way he inhales and trys to catch something of Jack's scent on the shirt. I think only then Ennis could finally admit to himself that he truly loved Jack - when it was too late. :\'(
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I realize that in the short story, it says that Ennis embraced Jack from the back because he didn't want to realize he was hugging a man, but, in the movie, I don't think that's at all true. That type of embrace is a sign of endearment; there's nothing sexual about it, but just the desire to be close and intimate with one another. I think Ennis was, for once, showing a gentle, loving side to Jack and I think he was well aware of whom he was hugging.
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I realize that in the short story, it says that Ennis embraced Jack from the back because he didn't want to realize he was hugging a man,...
This was the single most confusing thing for me in the story. Why would Ennis not want to realize he was hugging Jack? After all, he kissed him face to face, they lay next to each other face to face. I would love to ask Annie Proulx about that.
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They were face to face when carried away by passion and affection, as in SNIT and the reunion scene. They didn't face each other at times when their physical passion was satiated, as in the dozy embrace and the aftermath in the motel, or even up on the mountain in the "I ain't queer" scenes.
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I realize that in the short story, it says that Ennis embraced Jack from the back because he didn't want to realize he was hugging a man,...
This was the single most confusing thing for me in the story. Why would Ennis not want to realize he was hugging Jack? After all, he kissed him face to face, they lay next to each other face to face. I would love to ask Annie Proulx about that.
It is confusing after we see the SNIT when they were facing each other, but we have to remember that the SNIT wasn't a part of the original story. if we put the movie aside for a minute and think about the short story, Annie Proulx never mentioned any kiss between them when they were still on the mountain, for all we know Ennis might have taken Jack from behind like in FNIT every time and they never kissed or faced each other at all, and then what Annie wrote about the dozy embrace makes sense. with the movie's additions it does strikes us as odd.
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I realize that in the short story, it says that Ennis embraced Jack from the back because he didn't want to realize he was hugging a man,...
This was the single most confusing thing for me in the story. Why would Ennis not want to realize he was hugging Jack? After all, he kissed him face to face, they lay next to each other face to face. I would love to ask Annie Proulx about that.
It is confusing after we see the SNIT when they were facing each other, but we have to remember that the SNIT wasn't a part of the original story. if we put the movie aside for a minute and think about the short story, Annie Proulx never mentioned any kiss between them when they were still on the mountain, for all we know Ennis might have taken Jack from behind like in FNIT every time and they never kissed or faced each other at all, and then what Annie wrote about the dozy embrace makes sense. with the movie's additions it does strikes us as odd.
That's a good point. My feeling is that with this you almost have to consider the short story and the movie as two separate entities. As Keren says, they may never have kissed or been together face to face in the short story, while in the movie there's no indication that Jack sees the dozy embrace as anything other than a show of affection (love?) from Ennis, no clue that Ennis holds him from behind because he doesn't want to see that it's a man that he holds.
Personally, what confused me most about the dozy embrace in the short story was that holding someone from behind could be seen as being something less than holding them face to face. I mean, Jack was standing at the fire, staring into space, sleeping on his feet - Ennis comes up behind him and hugs him, providing support, someone for Jack to lean on. Seems pretty romantic to me - my boyfriend often comes up behind me and hugs me like that when I'm standing doing something and I have to say, it's pretty damn nice!
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I think he's got a look with mixed emotions... WHOA+ what? + "horny"+ MORE and then some
Yes Esme!! WHOA+ what? + "horny"+ MORE and then some. LOL -- love it.
kathy
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I agree, gimmiejack, that Ennis was in love up on the mountain, but I don't think he really realized it. He wasn't willing to do anything, even meet Jack half-way, to keep in touch and keep what they had found alive. After the four-year separation, though, Ennis finally knew this thing had no reins -- it was not going to just go away. IMO, that's when he finally admitted to himself that he was in love with Jack.
Ditto on what you said about Jack's eyes. Has anyone ever said so much without uttering one word?
Not that I can recall, although Tom Hanks has an expression thats speaks volumes in Philadelphia...
Back on topic...Yes Ennis knew way before the reunion embrace that he loved Jack...that just sealed it and he was able to admit it..."No Reins"
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I'm with you, NoReins. I don't think it's "less" to be hugged from the back. I love it! It shows true affection without any expectations. You're right, too, keren, IMO we do have to keep the book and the short story separate, eventhough they are the most similar to one another than I have ever seen before ( any other books/movies, I mean.) I like the additions that were made in the movie, and this scene was, perhaps, the most poignant of all to me. I see love in Ennis's actions and acceptance of that affection from Jack in his face.
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Yes, sir, CSC, I am loving this scene, 100 per cent. Another thing I noticed in my recent viewing... is when Jack sees Ennis, he breaks out in a HUGE grin, and starts running, as Ennis is running down the stairs... they couln't wait..... 4 years. Damn!
When you consider that when they last saw each other Ennis didn't say much as they went their separate ways. Jack pulls up, Ennis greets him with a big ol' grin and "JFT!!" Jack couldn't help but grin. At the very least, he knew that Ennis WAS glad to see him.
CC: 4 years, damn -- ;)
We all love every single freeze-frame instant of this scene. But first of all, I love how not reticent Ennis is, at the top of the stairs. And he might well have been a bit more contained, as is so Ennis-ish. He might have been a bit awkward or kind of just friendly until they could get away someplace private. But seeing each other is so intense they can't hold back -- this jumping into each other's arms, these dizzying kisses, the whole thing. I don't need to "preach to the choir" here. It is so beautiful I just can hardly stand it. But back to Ennis at the top of the stairs then flying down them -- that's the moment Jack would know pretty much what "You bet" means.
kathy
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Maybe you guys should start a thred about at what point did Ennis or Jack KNOW they were in love? Has This Been done already?
Hmm... I don't know if there is a thread about that specifically -- let's look. There is the "When did Jack know to come on to Ennis?" but that's not being "in love," that's the sexual thing.
I'd probably say the being in love developed in each of them in those four years apart, after the specialness of their Brokeback Mountain summer, and then seeing how the other world was those four years...and they certainly seemed to be in love by the Reunion Scene and the Motel Scene...
kathy
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I realize that in the short story, it says that Ennis embraced Jack from the back because he didn't want to realize he was hugging a man, but, in the movie, I don't think that's at all true. That type of embrace is a sign of endearment; there's nothing sexual about it, but just the desire to be close and intimate with one another. I think Ennis was, for once, showing a gentle, loving side to Jack and I think he was well aware of whom he was hugging.
I so agree with you, lamusica. I guess the writers did want it to represent Ennis's denial about being queer, but to me, it's a very natural kind of hug and totally what any other queer man would have done right then. Or any man to his woman, or woman to her woman, or parent to a child, etc. (Seems I wrote about this before.) If Jack was "sleeping on his feet," a soft approach and hug from behind would be a nice, gentle support for him. And Ennis would have had to step between Jack and the fire if he wanted to hug Jack from the front, etc., etc.
I think it's beautiful, the hug from behind, and not denial at all -- plus, he's pressing his privates against Jack's ass, isn't he? Besides, it made it all easier on the camera.
I'm nervous about being OT! ^^)
kathy
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Yeah, that running into each others arms.....so lovely. And when they do hug, my gosh, you think they'd crush each other, they're hugging each other so much and so hard! The only reason to stop hugging is to kiss! I cannot, and never will, get enough of this scene, this kiss, this reunion.....how Heath and Jake (but especially Heath) were able to create such passion and make it believable.....amazing.
The only thing that spoils it for me is Alma witnessing the kiss. I remember the first time I saw that scene, my heart was beating, and I was like "at last, Ennis has realised what he let go four years ago", then Alma sees, and I was like "oh no, no, you weren't supposed to see that". Purely selfish on my part, because I'd been enjoying seeing Ennis and Jack reunited so much!
Christie,I felt the same way when Alma witnessed the kiss.I thought it spoiled the moment since I was enjoying the reunion and that passionate kiss.I am a selfish B**** myself can't help it.
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My heart did break for Alma considering how shocking it must have been for her to process what she witnessed. On a more selfish note I must admit that I still enjoy the embrace and powerful kiss that followed. When I see the scene I can't help but imagine what a face to face reunion will be like with me and my BBM. Ennis and Jack were separated for 4 years. My BBM and I have been apart for over 29 years. I'm guessing our reunion will involve many tears of joy.
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Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
I read this old post of yours (cannot sleep!), there were so much passion and excitements in all those post, where was I six years ago not knowing the existence of this masterpiece? I would have loved to be part of this joy, so many Brokies at that time!
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I love the way their faces are overlapping here--they're touching in every way possible, even though they're fully clothed and standing up outside, in a public place. Jack's brow is creased as he gazes at Ennis; Ennis's eyes are closed as he drinks in the relief of this moment, to finally be reunited with the man he has dreamt about for so long. Can you imagine how many times each of them must have envisioned this moment??
It hurts, it is so beautiful.
It hurts indeed, and it's painful to watch, so many wasted years, whereas they should have been together! :_(
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I read this old post of yours (cannot sleep!), there were so much passion and excitements in all those post, where was I six years ago not knowing the existence of this masterpiece? I would have loved to be part of this joy, so many Brokies at that time!
I love it that you quote these old posts and bring these memories back to life. So many discussions that I had forgotten about...