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Around Brokeback Mountain => Our Support for BBM => Topic started by: ethan on Mar 06, 2006, 08:13 AM
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The unthinkable did happen at the oscar and we understand your anger, frastration and disappointment. The oscar didn't appreciate BBM like us and many film critics/organizations who have awarded BBM the best picture.
The best award of BBM is to bring many wonderful souls around the world to this forum and to share our lives, love and passion for BBM. Sure, it is upsetting and we could not stop asking ourselves why the oscar didn't go to BBM. However, it is not our problem and let's leave it to the voting members for a reality check because in our mind, BBM has won the best picture.
In a time like this - Ang, Heath, Jake, Michelle, Anne and all the cast and crew of BBM need your support. We are still running the thank you campaign (http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=1469.0) and Riverton postcard campaign (http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=2023.0). Please join us and we thank you for your continuous support for this forum and BBM.
The ennisjack.com team is working on several other organized efforts. We will post them with more details soon.
Finally, we like to share with you the list of awards and nominations BBM has received. Most importantly BBM has received the award of our hearts.
* 78th Academy Awards:
o Best Director - Ang Lee
o Best Adapted Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
o Best Original Score - (Gustavo Santaolalla)
* 59th BAFTA Awards:
o Best Film
o Best Supporting Actor (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Adapted Screenplay (Larry McMurty and Diana Ossana)
* Boston Society of Film Critics:
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
* Box Office Mojo: The Ten Most Impressive Box Office Performances of 2005: first one [46].
* Central Ohio Film Critics Association: Top 10 Films, Best Lead Performance (Heath Ledger), Best Screenplay
* Chicago Film Critics Association:
o Best Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
o Best Score (Gustavo Santaolalla)
* Critics' Choice Award:
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams)
* Dallas-Fort Worth Film Critics Association:
o Top 10 Films
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
o Best Cinematography (Roberto Prieto)
* Directors Guild of America Awards: Director of the Year Award - Theatrical Motion Picture (Ang Lee)
* European Film Awards: Best Director (Ang Lee)
* Florida Film Critics Circle:
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
o Cinematography (Roberto Prieto)
* 63rd Golden Globe Awards
o Best Motion Picture - Drama
o Best Director - Motion Picture (Ang Lee)
o Best Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
o Best Song (Gustavo Santaolalla and Bernie Taupin, "A Love That Will Never Grow Old")
* Independent Spirit Awards:
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
* Iowa Film Critics: Best Picture, Best Director (Ang Lee)
* Las Vegas Film Critics Society:
o Best Picture
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
* London Film Critics Circle:
o Best Film
o Best Director of the Year
* Los Angeles Film Critics Association:
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
* National Board of Review:
o Top 10 Films,
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Supporting Actor (Jake Gyllenhaal)
* National Public Radio:
o Bob Mondello's Top Films for 2005
* New York Film Critics Circle:
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
* Online Film Critics Society:
o Best Adapted Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
o Best Score (Gustavo Santaolalla)
* Phoenix Film Critics Society:
o Top Ten Films
o Best Performance by an Actor in a Lead Role (Heath Ledger)
o Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role (Michelle Williams)
o Best Screenplay adapted from another medium
o Best Cinematography
* Producer's Guild Awards: Producer of the Year Award - Theatrical Motion Picture
* Satellite Awards:
o Outstanding Motion Picture, Drama
o Outstanding Director (Ang Lee)
o Outstanding Film Editing (Geraldine Peroni and Dylan Tichenor)
o Outstanding Original Song (Gustavo Santaolalla and Bernie Taupin, for the song "A Love That Will Never Grow Old")
* Southeastern Film Critics Association:
o Top 10 Films
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Adapted Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
* St. Louis Gateway Film Critics Association:
o Best Picture
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
* Utah Film Critics:
o Best Film
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
* 62nd Venice International Film Festival: "Golden Lion" for Best Film
* Writers Guild of America Awards: Best Adapted Screenplay (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
Nominations
* 78th Academy Awards:
o Best Picture
o Best Actor in a Leading Role (Heath Ledger)
o Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o Best Actress in a Supporting Role (Michelle Williams)
o Best Cinematography (Rodrigo Prieto)
* American Cinema Editors: Best Edited Feature Film - Drama
* 58th BAFTA Awards:
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams)
o Best Cinematography (Rodrigo Prieto)
o Best Score (Gustavo Santaolalla)
o Best Editing (Geraldine Peroni and Dylan Tichenor)
* Broadcast Film Critics Association:
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o Best Supporting Actor (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o Best Writer (Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana)
o Best Song (Emmylou Harris, for the song "A Love That Will Never Grow Old")
o Best Composer (Gustavo Santaolalla)
* Central Ohio Film Critics Association:
o (1st Runner-up) Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Ensemble Cast
o Best Formal Design
* Chicago Film Critics Association:
o Best Picture
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o Best Supporting Actor (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams)
* Dallas-Fort Worth Film Critics Association
o (1st Runner-up) Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o (2nd Runner-up) Best Supporting Actor (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o (1st Runner-up) Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams)
* European Film Awards: Screen International Award (Ang Lee)
* GLAAD Media Awards:** Outstanding Film - Wide Release
* 63rd Golden Globe Awards:
o Best Actor - Motion Picture Drama (Heath Ledger)
o Best Supporting Actress - Motion Picture (Michelle Williams)
o Best Original Score
* Gotham Awards:
o Best Picture
o Best Ensemble Cast
* Independent Spirit Awards:
o Best Male Lead (Heath Ledger)
o Best Supporting Female (Michelle Williams)
* Los Angeles Film Critics Association:(1st Runner-up) Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
* National Board of Review:
o (1st Runner-up) Best Picture
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
* National Society of Film Critics:(2nd Runner-up) Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
* Online Film Critics Society:
o Best Picture
o Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o Best Supporting Actor (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams)
o Best Director (Ang Lee)
* Screen Actors Guild:
o Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Leading Role (Heath Ledger)
o Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Supporting Role (Jake Gyllenhaal)
o Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role (Michelle Williams)
o Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture
* Southeastern Film Critics Association:
o (1st Runner-up) Best Actor (Heath Ledger)
o (1st Runner-up) Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams)
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Thank you ethan. I shall try to pull myself together to show how much I love BBM. Please forgive me if I am still too emotional to act with any coherence. I dread even the sympathy of my office mates, who know my great love for this film.
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Thank for you post Ethan. We can be soo proud of BBM. ;D ;) :-*
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Thank you, Ethan, for this post. Hug and hugs again.
Thank you cards : I think showing gratitude is even better than saying "I love you." Let's do the cards;
Stephan
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I held off on sending a "thank you" before as I had a feeling this-being passed over at Oscar time-might happen. Now I think we can really make a difference by giving tangible expression to our gratitiude. Count us in.
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Its nice to see a list of all the recognition BBM got.
Lets see "Crash" list.
Sag
Oscars
THE END. *yawn*
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Ethan, thank you so much for the overview of the wins for Brokeback Mountain! Yes, letters and cards from everyone here to the BBM addresses given here in the forum by Chrissy would be most appreciated......and we should remember, too, that though the Academy Awards have high visibility, they are just that: a local LA academy with an agenda, whereas the Golden Globes are designated by the foreign press, and thus world-wide! Brokeback Mountain will forever be the best and the favorite world wide for 2005-2006.....and,as you said, all awards aside, Ennis and Jack will forever reside in our hearts, and that's what really counts.
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BBM had received many awards in the past few month. It's the best movie of the world already. Oscar is only a small circle election. It's control by the old mind people and great American idea. We need not to be frustrated and disappointed. We are proud of BBM. I just want to say that Ang Lee is the representative of Chinese. All Chinese are proud of him.
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Thank you for this post, ethan. I was shocked last night with the result at the Oscars, but what can you do. I'm looking forward to participating in the other campaigns you guys are organizing, and thanks so much for that, by the way. I didn't plan to do it, but now I think I'll send more Thank You postcards soon.
I know everyone is shocked and angry so - big hugs to everyone. What matters is what the movie means to us, and the way it touched and changed so many people all over the world. Remember that. :)
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I know everyone is shocked and angry so - big hugs to everyone. What matters is what the movie means to us, and the way it touched and changed so many people all over the world. Remember that. :)
Thanks Lilie.
I am sitting here in the office continually fighting back the tears. Every kind word helps a little. Until now, I had had no understanding of just how much this movie means to me.
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Ethan - Thanks. Time to step up to the plate and hit this sucker out of the park. The Academy is use to poeple back talking....tough. Send those cards, go see the movie...AGAIN, buy what you can to support BBM.
I'm not buying any other film crap the academy as a group will endorse over the next year. I'm keeping my hard earned $$$ out of their hands.
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Thanks for the post Ethan. An impressive list of accolades.
I am sitting here in the office continually fighting back the tears. Every kind word helps a little. Until now, I had had no understanding of just how much this movie means to me.
tpe,
I'm listening to the acoustic songs by Santaolalla in my office at the moment, also fighting back the tears. I still don't fully comprehend the meaning of this movie to me. I think part of everyone's anger is why doesn't everyone feel the same way about BBM. It is such a personal and emotional experience, and perhaps that is the problem, it is too personal, too private for some of us. (Sorry, went off topic.)
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I know everyone is shocked and angry so - big hugs to everyone. What matters is what the movie means to us, and the way it touched and changed so many people all over the world. Remember that. :)
Thanks Lilie.
I am sitting here in the office continually fighting back the tears. Every kind word helps a little. Until now, I had had no understanding of just how much this movie means to me.
You're welcome. I know what you mean, that's why I want to show my support to everyone here. I'm still quite angry myself, but there's nothing I can do about it except showing my love for this movie even more than before. Hang in there, Tom, you know we're all here for you.
I think part of everyone's anger is why doesn't everyone feel the same way about BBM. It is such a personal and emotional experience, and perhaps that is the problem, it is too personal, too private for some of us.
Very well said. Big hugs to you too.
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Thanks Kindred and Lilie. I wish I had a better handle on myself right now, but I just don't. I'm trying, but I am just not cutting it. I've always prided myself with being the rational, analytic type, and this entire fiasco has hurt me so much I cannot begin to tell you both how bad it is inside. Stupid, pretentious, too self confident me. I deserve every bit of this.
I apologize if I am off topic. I don't think I can help it right now.
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bbm is the best picture of the world in 2006.
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tpe,
This forum wouldn't be the miracle that it is without your wonderful posts shedding light on aspects of the film/script/story that I had not noticed until you pointed them out. I don't know what else to say to help you feel better...well one possibility-one positive outcome from all the bitter disappointment and anger being expressed last evening was more creative uses of the word f**k than I have ever seen gathered in one place before. ;D A testimony to the inventiveness of the membership. And remember how fortunate we are to live in this time when such a movie could be made and embraced by so many different people from all over the world. A few decades ago it would not have been even remotely possible. We have received a priceless gift my friend. Try to hang on to that...
Peace!
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Thanks Ethan for all your work on the site and for your tireless positive energy!
I think the thank you cards is such a touching idea and one that will let the cast and crew know what I think they have an inkling about already: this is no longer just a film it is the beginning of a cultural phenomenon.
And I still want to take you up on the offer of seeing BBM in the theater 'cause now I am afraid it will be gone sooner rather than later.
Bruce
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And thank you, Proulxfan, for your post; yes, we have to be thankful for the experience of Brokeback Mountain; I sense it's gonna be a once in a lifetime experience.
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Earlier this morning after trying for 2 hours to get on this site, it came to me that ennisjack.com and the moderators have now started to be noticed,
that they ain't going anywhere soon,
the severs kept stating the site was overloaded,
it tell how popular the simple fact that BBM has lost at the Oscars
has now become our Blessing in disguise,
we must make it our heartfelt goal in reaching beyond the spectrum of stupidity hollywood and its ignorance imposedon us
and show them that sooner than later this battle will end with our victory,
to our hearts content.
Lest us not be dissuaded by their appalling decision
and keep our goals clear and definitive,
Love is our weapon lets used to all ends,
thank you ennisjack.com you have now ventured into infinity
as fables, legends and tales one day will be told about all our efforts to shine Bright our LOVE.
will be rewarded a million times over
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Rebecca, are you going to translate the Chinese?
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I would like to join in the Thank You Cards... All the actors and writers and producers involved were, yes, brave, to be a part of this movie that many, many people are adamantly against without even having seen.
While I wished BBM would have won all the award it was up for at the Oscars, I am glad we didn't leave empty handed. There are lots of theories floating around on why who won what, but it's obvious to me, with all the press, media attention, jokes and references in our culture, Brokeback is a special movie.
We will always have Brokeback.
CherryCake
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Frenchcda - you always seem to manage to say what I think....thanks for the terrific post.
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GREAT post!! thanks Ethan!! we got too many awards.. and what did Trash get? best picture!! pfffffffffffffffffffffffffft
frenchda .. well said!! *applauds*
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While I wished BBM would have won all the award it was up for at the Oscars, I am glad we didn't leave empty handed.
All last week my thoughts went back to The Color Purple and how such a strong movie with a ton of nods walked away with nothing, and so I let out an audible sigh of relief when BBM took the first award for score. Dropped a few tears, actually. A "split decision" at the Oscars, as I heard it described in the media, at least wasn't a defeat.
There are lots of theories floating around on why who won what, but it's obvious to me, with all the press, media attention, jokes and references in our culture, Brokeback is a special movie.
Had we also won best picture, the story would have been that BBM won the predictable awards. Ho hum, probably not much follow up, not much buzz. As things turned out, there's still a good deal of talk out there about BBM versus Crash and if other forces were at work. So there is indeed a small bright side to this. The only other way BBM would have had this much buzz would be if it had swept all eight...and while I would have L O V E D that to happen, it was very very unlikely. Jake was a long shot, and Michelle and Heath were viewed as solid but not close #2's in their categories by many.
So while it still hurts to lose best picture, things could be much worse!
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Its nice to see a list of all the recognition BBM got.
Lets see "Crash" list.
Sag
Oscars
THE END. *yawn*
LOL!(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmilies.sofrayt.com%2F%5E%2Faiw%2Ftongue.gif&hash=2cacb50de736cb94cabc47bf3362fff65f84834d)
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Yes, the buzz in the media since the Academy Awards is giving more attention to Crash AND Brokeback Mountain. The win for Crash has already been a bit undermined, and the esteme for BBM heightened! We know which one will last the test of time......
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You know it was interesting, I saw it again last night and damned if I didn't hear like 3 people say they wanted to see it
due to the buzz and one would think at this point it has to be Oscar buzz.
Wow I am still amazed Oprah had so much to do wtih Crash's win, I am not thrilled with her right now
after the Frey thing, I mean yes she took back what she said but it was like she had to attack him
cause SHE blew it not responding properly. Oprah is becoming the pop culture queen, not the
leader of truth she tries to make herself out to be.
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Even though I knew it was a predicted long shot, I actually started crying when Heath lost out to PSH!
(By the way, my 90 year old Mom started crying on the phone with me this morning about BBM's losses, because she knew how important the film is to me! Isn't that the sweetest thing! She did see the film too (with my sister) and when we later spoke of it, she cried at that time too, saying how sad it was!)
Yes it was an upset, a surprise and a disappointment that we did not get Best Picture.
My own theory of that is that Crash has such a huge cast that each of them naturally had a large circle of influence with their fellow voters, so numbers did it. Also I saw a reference in the New York Times to an idea that "everyone" believed that BBM was going to win, so that gave individual voters the idea that they could vote for a different picture, ie, BBM was gonna win anyway, let me vote for this other picture to balance. And so many did that, that the balance tipped and was a surprise to even those who actually voted for Crash! I like that theory 'cuz it affirms that everyone believed BBM was the better movie!
Also, I do NOT like all the negative I read here Sunday night which automatically assumed that BBM was voted AGAINST, versus another picture voted for. I am well aware that prejudice and homophobia exist and it is also reasonable to assume that SOME of the voting academy are prejudiced and homophobic against our film, but it is unlikely and counter-productive in my opinion, to assume that anyone who didn't vote for BBM was motivated by homophobic prejudice. That just can't be so, especially since we are talking about Hollywood and the film industry, a community that is PREDOMINANTLY more liberal than conservative, though that element exists there too of course.
People have a right to their opinion, and I prefer to assume that the voting academy voted based on an objective opinion of the films and performances evaluated as films and performances and not as the subject matter of that film and performance.
Just my two cents.
Again, Ethan, let me take this opportunity to thank you for creating and maintaining this wonderful community.
I hope it is here for a long long time! BBM lives! And Ennnis and Jack live while we are here!
Jack in Maine
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tpe, may I ?
warm hug
There will always be idiots somewhere in the world. But they don't have to affect your life. Besides, you have all of us. ;D
Stephan
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tpe, may I ?
warm hug
There will always be idiots somewhere in the world. But they don't have to affect your life. Besides, you have all of us. ;D
Stephan
Thank you Stephan. With so many friends in this forum, I should be able to pull myself together.
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My own theory of that is that Crash has such a huge cast that each of them naturally had a large circle of influence with their fellow voters, so numbers did it. Also I saw a reference in the New York Times to an idea that "everyone" believed that BBM was going to win, so that gave individual voters the idea that they could vote for a different picture, ie, BBM was gonna win anyway, let me vote for this other picture to balance. And so many did that, that the balance tipped and was a surprise to even those who actually voted for Crash! I like that theory 'cuz it affirms that everyone believed BBM was the better movie!
Jack_ME, thank you for sharing your thought. I hope your mother feels better now. Actually this is my feeling also. Many predicted Crash after SAG - not because of its merits but its network of voting block. It is unfortunate for the academy to turn into a popularity contest. Voting will work only if everyone votes objectively - but then again what is an objective vote can be subjective.
Also, I do NOT like all the negative I read here Sunday night which automatically assumed that BBM was voted AGAINST, versus another picture voted for. I am well aware that prejudice and homophobia exist and it is also reasonable to assume that SOME of the voting academy are prejudiced and homophobic against our film, but it is unlikely and counter-productive in my opinion, to assume that anyone who didn't vote for BBM was motivated by homophobic prejudice. That just can't be so, especially since we are talking about Hollywood and the film industry, a community that is PREDOMINANTLY more liberal than conservative, though that element exists there too of course.
We don't know who voted for Crash is "voting for Crash" or "against BBM." Like you said, it is all speculation. One can only hope that it is not homophobia. Ang Lee is a classy man and he congratulated Crash filmmakes for winning the best picture. We should follow his lead.
People have a right to their opinion, and I prefer to assume that the voting academy voted based on an objective opinion of the films and performances evaluated as films and performances and not as the subject matter of that film and performance.
I agree with you but this one is hard to swallow. The accumulation of awards given to BBM can not be more objective enough. When the *objective" evaluation is so far from what most have said --- I am not sure if that is objective.
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I'm speechless.
I went through this thread for the first time. Ethan, thanks for starting it. Friends, thanks for your great postings, I'm really moved. BBM is the one that will be remembered in the future. Trash ??? well that movie... I'm not sure.
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The vote on this ONE award is such a notable aberration from the preceding Best Picture votes from nearly every other source that it quite reasonably calls itself into question. We have every right to be suspicious of people's cowardly motives (and it need only be 50%+1 who chose to vote for Crash and/or against Brokeback).
The Academy simply would not allow a film about men who love each other to take its place in the pantheon. The film no one would touch for six years is still the one they won't touch. In a year when every nominated film was great, when every one of them: "Brokeback Mountain", "Capote", "Crash", "Good Night and Good Luck", "Munich", had a large group who felt it deserved the Oscar, it's simply too easy to brush it off as chance, as 'one great film among many' and 'they all stood a chance of winning or losing."
The story, as Annie Proulx has said, had one outcome, from the beginning. It was a story about the power of homophobia, and Jack, because of his openness, had a particular destiny that he was headed toward. His twenty years of happiness with Ennis had to end, but Ennis lives on, and his story lives on. That Ennis and Jack found love makes the story eternal; that their love was denied makes the story meaningful. Jack, unfortunately, got a tireiron to the face for being who he was.
Despite winning virtually every other best film award, Brokeback Mountain, the movie, was tire-ironed too, in full view of everyone, for being what it was, for speaking its truth. It had to be. The Academy members simply could not reward a film that made them so very uncomfortable, a film they could not tell others to see, a film that could make them a target.
Much of what I wrote here ^ I also sent to my local paper Sunday night. On Monday I got a call from a writer doing a story on the controversy about Brokeback losing, and this morning (Tuesday), I was quoted (about three sentences of the above) on the front page of the Scene section.
Ironically, Brokeback may now actually be more lasting and more remembered; people tend to remember great films that are snubbed, whereas a win might have capped a great run and then it would have faded from public awareness, anointed as it should have been. Instead, it was overlooked, in the most obvious way possible, and has regained a measure of celebrity.
-backtobrokeback
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I'm speechless.
I went through this thread for the first time. Ethan, thanks for starting it. Friends, thanks for your great postings, I'm really moved. BBM is the one that will be remembered in the future. Trash ??? well that movie... I'm not sure.
Charmeau, I am literally laughing hysterically at this: Trash ??? well that movie...
Hahhah I don't know why, but it's really breaking me up with hysterics!
I guess because it's so obvious now that you've said it, but I had missed it completely until then.. and I'm laughing at myself. Ohh funny!
Jack in Maine
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I'm speechless.
I went through this thread for the first time. Ethan, thanks for starting it. Friends, thanks for your great postings, I'm really moved. BBM is the one that will be remembered in the future. Trash ??? well that movie... I'm not sure.
Charmeau, I am literally laughing hysterically at this: Trash ??? well that movie...
Hahhah I don't know why, but it's really breaking me up with hysterics!
I guess because it's so obvious now that you've said it, but I had missed it completely until then.. and I'm laughing at myself. Ohh funny!
Jack in Maine
I have to be honnest, It's not my invention. Chrissy posted something yesterday in the chit chat about some Google search... I copied it in the BBM humor thread.
Try this:
http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=2101.60
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I'm speechless.
I went through this thread for the first time. Ethan, thanks for starting it. Friends, thanks for your great postings, I'm really moved. BBM is the one that will be remembered in the future. Trash ??? well that movie... I'm not sure.
umm...will be remembered like…30 seconds
here you go
rich white folk: oh look there's some bad black men, i think they are going to rob us, cross the street, quick!
black men: oh look those rich white folk think we're going to rob them.. man we don't look like bangers - they're racist.
5 seconds later the black men hold guns to the rich white folk's heads and rob them.
rich white woman to (to husband): i told you so!
cut to another story...
rich black woman: white cops are racist!
rich black man: i know but there's nothing we can do about it. that's what its like to be black!
5 seconds later drunk rich black woman pulled over by racist white police, one of whom cops a feel.
rich black woman (to husband) : i told you they were racist and you did nothing about it! *whine, cry, whine, cry*
cut to---
middle eastern guy: mexicans are thieves & vandals!
middle eastern daughter: no they're not daddy!
mexican father: i'm just tryin' make a better life for my family.
5 seconds later middle eastern guy gets gun and tries to kill mexican guy, but sympathetic middle eastern daughter has loaded gun with blanks, so the cute little mexican girl lives.
cut too---
partner of white racist cop does some good deeds so we don't think all cops are racist.
cut too---
middle class black detective fucks hispanic girlfriend for the movie's token interracial couple. then he does some good deeds so we don't think that all black people with money are whiny.
cut too---
rich black lady gets into car "CRASH" and white racist cop saves her. more whining & crying ensues.
somewhere along the way one of the bad black robbers frees some asian slaves of an ambiguous nationality, thus redeeming himself for being so hard on whitey
the end >:(
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Even though I knew it was a predicted long shot, I actually started crying when Heath lost out to PSH!
(By the way, my 90 year old Mom started crying on the phone with me this morning about BBM's losses, because she knew how important the film is to me! Isn't that the sweetest thing! She did see the film too (with my sister) and when we later spoke of it, she cried at that time too, saying how sad it was!)
Yes it was an upset, a surprise and a disappointment that we did not get Best Picture.
My own theory of that is that Crash has such a huge cast that each of them naturally had a large circle of influence with their fellow voters, so numbers did it. Also I saw a reference in the New York Times to an idea that "everyone" believed that BBM was going to win, so that gave individual voters the idea that they could vote for a different picture, ie, BBM was gonna win anyway, let me vote for this other picture to balance. And so many did that, that the balance tipped and was a surprise to even those who actually voted for Crash! I like that theory 'cuz it affirms that everyone believed BBM was the better movie!
Also, I do NOT like all the negative I read here Sunday night which automatically assumed that BBM was voted AGAINST, versus another picture voted for. I am well aware that prejudice and homophobia exist and it is also reasonable to assume that SOME of the voting academy are prejudiced and homophobic against our film, but it is unlikely and counter-productive in my opinion, to assume that anyone who didn't vote for BBM was motivated by homophobic prejudice. That just can't be so, especially since we are talking about Hollywood and the film industry, a community that is PREDOMINANTLY more liberal than conservative, though that element exists there too of course.
People have a right to their opinion, and I prefer to assume that the voting academy voted based on an objective opinion of the films and performances evaluated as films and performances and not as the subject matter of that film and performance.
Just my two cents.
Again, Ethan, let me take this opportunity to thank you for creating and maintaining this wonderful community.
I hope it is here for a long long time! BBM lives! And Ennnis and Jack live while we are here!
Jack in Maine
I think your point is well taken; we can't assume BBM lost because of homophobia.....But, to my knowledge, the Academy has never not voted as best film a film such as BBM which has garnered nearly every other major award since its release, AND earned a fortune considering its meager production cost of 14 million! Anyway, both films, Crash and BBM, are getting more attention because of the "upset" on Academy Award night.
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I am sorry. I am strongly in the opinion that the vote for the other film was truly a vote AGAINST BBM. To go against the grain of so many institutions and organizations that gave BBM the laurel -- this I can only interpret in a darker light.
I apologize, but I must say this. One can call it speculation, but one can also talk about probabilities. There is no doubt in my mind as to why BBM has been universally acclaimed, with the exception of SAG and the Oscars. I see a connection as to why these two acted the way they did.
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your point is well taken! I don't recall the SAG awards results; could you refresh my memory? Thanks.
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your point is well taken! I don't recall the SAG awards results; could you refresh my memory? Thanks.
Stephen, the SAG gave 'Best Ensemble' (the equivalent of the Oscars 'Best Picture' award) to the other film.
It is by now standard to praise the other film's ensemble of actors as the best. I beg to differ. BBM's was smaller, tighter, and the acting infinitely more beautiful.
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Yes, I agree; one critic said that the academy always gives the best acting awards and best film award to the film that's most "in your face" but with artistic merit....and that Brokeback Mountain is by far the most subtle, provocative, and sensitively made film of the decade, and that Heath Ledger's performance is one of a lifetime: more difficult to attain, more gut wrenching in its unspoken subtle power, more deeply felt than any other in years!
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Yes, I agree; one critic said that the academy always gives the best acting awards and best film award to the film that's most "in your face" but with artistic merit....and that Brokeback Mountain is by far the most subtle, provocative, and sensitively made film of the decade, and that Heath Ledger's performance is one of a lifetime: more difficult to attain, more gut wrenching in its unspoken subtle power, more deeply felt than any other in years!
Thanks again Stephen. I do not read any news these days -- out of sheer horror of what inanities I may find. But I find it comforting that several critics seem to be speaking out against the Academy's 'Monument' to Bad Taste.
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Oh my god...
Just SEEING that list of all the awards BBM got has washed my anger away! *teary eyes* I am so proud of BBM! I am so proud! Long live the love of Ennis and Jack! ;D Clearly this movie has effected a lot of people, as this website, and the tons of awards BBM got, proves. This Best Picture of our hearts didn't win THE 'official" Oscar award, but I don't care anymore - it won so many more awards than the others. It won the most.
And even if it hadn't, I love it to pieces no matter what. :)
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Saw this ad in the newspaper. Thank you to all the fans and the members of this forum for your support. Love has no bondary.
(https://ennisjack.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff266%2FSnowshoe74%2Fbbm.jpg&hash=90d9c4df54b97230eec4766d19ccc1ee4cb5445e)
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You have given me goosebump, this is an amazing photo, knowing where it came from, thanks
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Thanks so much for the picture ethan! What paper was it from? Who paid to place it, do you know?
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Wish I had the power to place that ad in every paper in the country! Thank you so much for posting it.
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Saw this ad in the newspaper. Thank you to all the fans and the members of this forum for your support. Love has no bondary.
where does this come from? who organised it?
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You are welecome. The ad is a BBM movie ad appearing in the newspaper movie section.
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That is so cool. They would never put that in the paper here. Well, maybe in the Houston Press, but never the Chronicle.
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So it's from Focus then?
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So it's from Focus then?
Yes. I have seen it in a few newspaper.
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Hey it's got our love and the worlds, just not Roger Eberts, a man with a bad rug...I think all is well in the world.
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Great ad. It makes me happy. Thanks for posting it. :)
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So wonderful! I'm glad that the movie is still very much alive and kicking! :)
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So wonderful! I'm glad that the movie is still very much alive and kicking! :)
We will do everything we can and thank you to everyone for your support.
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This is good for me to read...I am new to this Forum (thanks for offering it) and I've just been feeling melancholy since the Oscars...I know that it is just a select group of people who voted a certain way...but it felt like a personal jab. I call this my leftover pain from growing up gay in a heterosexual world. I need to seperate some people's actions from my feelings. BBM IS a movie that has won my heart. That is really what matters.
Thanks again for providing this support!
Jim
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This is good for me to read...I am new to this Forum (thanks for offering it) and I've just been feeling melancholy since the Oscars...I know that it is just a select group of people who voted a certain way...but it felt like a personal jab. I call this my leftover pain from growing up gay in a heterosexual world. I need to seperate some people's actions from my feelings. BBM IS a movie that has won my heart. That is really what matters.
Thanks again for providing this support!
Jim
Jim, it feels like I've known you forever. I also took it as a personal slap. But you are right in saying that the heart is the one that matters.
Friend, welcome to this forum.
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This is good for me to read...I am new to this Forum (thanks for offering it) and I've just been feeling melancholy since the Oscars...I know that it is just a select group of people who voted a certain way...but it felt like a personal jab. I call this my leftover pain from growing up gay in a heterosexual world. I need to seperate some people's actions from my feelings. BBM IS a movie that has won my heart. That is really what matters.
Thanks again for providing this support!
Jim
Hello Jim, welcome to this forum. I feel the same way. BBM may lose the opportunity at the Oscar as the Best Picture but it certainly is not the end. It is only the beginning. Like you said, BBM is a movie that won our hearts.
Enjoy your time here and hope to read your posts.
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This is good for me to read...I am new to this Forum (thanks for offering it) and I've just been feeling melancholy since the Oscars...I know that it is just a select group of people who voted a certain way...but it felt like a personal jab. I call this my leftover pain from growing up gay in a heterosexual world. I need to seperate some people's actions from my feelings. BBM IS a movie that has won my heart. That is really what matters.
Thanks again for providing this support!
Jim
Jim, very well said and welcome. :) Please share more whenever you feel like it.