I think you're refering to Jack saying "You are too much for me Ennis, you sonofawhoreson b**ch"!!!
The only word I listen is " G***dam"
Patriot 1 - he does say something after G*ddamn - i've tried and tried, but can't make out what it is!!! Its going to drive me crazy - anyone else have the answer?? ??? ???The only word I listen is " G***dam"
Yes, the words, "G*d damn" are quite audible but I hear something after that but can't make it out.
All I can really understand is the "G*d damn" but he mutters something else like he does the time the horse threw him (after picking up the supplies) he brushes past Jack muttering inaudibly. I can't wait to get my "Story to Screenplay" book. Maybe it will be in there. :)The only word I listen is " G***dam"
Yes, the words, "G*d damn" are quite audible but I hear something after that but can't make it out.
Just looked in S/S - can't find it in there either :(. Very frustrating... :PAll I can really understand is the "G*d damn" but he mutters something else like he does the time the horse threw him (after picking up the supplies) he brushes past Jack muttering inaudibly. I can't wait to get my "Story to Screenplay" book. Maybe it will be in there. :)The only word I listen is " G***dam"
Yes, the words, "G*d damn" are quite audible but I hear something after that but can't make it out.
Donna
All I can really understand is the "G*d damn" but he mutters something else like he does the time the horse threw him (after picking up the supplies) he brushes past Jack muttering inaudibly. I can't wait to get my "Story to Screenplay" book. Maybe it will be in there. :)The only word I listen is " G***dam"
Yes, the words, "G*d damn" are quite audible but I hear something after that but can't make it out.
Donna
Was this an adlib by Ledger? Whoever has the screenplay on hand, could you check that this "G*d damn.." said by Ledger is not in the screenplay? I think Jack's speech was continuous in the screenplay, but I have to check...Can't see it in screenplay. :(
Was this an adlib by Ledger? Whoever has the screenplay on hand, could you check that this "G*d damn.." said by Ledger is not in the screenplay? I think Jack's speech was continuous in the screenplay, but I have to check...Can't see it in screenplay. :(
Absolutely, Tpe, it's the ring of truth in that speech that makes it so powerful.
It occurred to me this morning, after reading some of these wonderful posts, to wonder if Ennis's claim at the end, when he tells Jack "It's because of you Jack, that I'm like this ... I'm nothing ... I'm nowhere", couldn't as easily have been said by Jack to Ennis.
Has Ennis considered that maybe Jack isn't everything he wanted to be either, because he's choosen to put his love for Ennis before everything else? Jack may have an easier life materially, having married a well-to-do woman. But for a man like Jack, who yearns for emotional closeness and fulfillment, isn't this life half lived just as damaging to him as it was to Ennis?
I haven't fully thought this through, so maybe not making much sense, but it seems to me that as much as they may appear to be in vastly different positions in life, for the one thing that should count the most, their emotional completeness, they aren't so very different. :-\
here is part of the argument I found on IMBd..maybe someone can find the rest of it
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Ennis Del Mar: I'm gonna tell you this one time, Jack f***in' Twist, an' I ain't foolin'. What I don't know - all them things I don't know - could get you killed if I come to know them. I mean it.
Jack Twist: Yeah well try this one, and I'll say it just once!
Ennis Del Mar: Go ahead!
Jack Twist: Tell you what, we coulda had a good life together! f***in' real good life! Had us a place of our own. But you didn't want it, Ennis! So what we got now is Brokeback Mountain! Everything's built on that! That's all we got, boy, f***in' all. So I hope you know that, even if you don't never know the rest! You count the damn few times we have been together in nearly twenty years and you measure the short !@#$ leash you keep me on - and then you ask me about Mexico and tell me you'll kill me for needing somethin' I don't hardly never get. You have no idea how bad it gets! I'm not you... I can't make it on a coupla high-altitude f***s once or twice a year! You are too much for me Ennis, you sonofawhoreson bitch! I wish I knew how to quit you.
Ennis Del Mar: [crying] Well, why don't you? Why don't you just let me be? It's because of you that I'm like this! I ain't got nothing... I ain't nowhere... Get the f*** off me! I can't stand being like this no more, Jack.
During the last argument Jack and Ennis have, immediately after Jack says, "It's all we got, boy, f**kin' all, so I hope you know that if you don't never know the rest." Ennis turns away from Jack. As he turns he say something. What did he say? It sounds like G*d damn _____ (son of a b*tch)? Can't tell.
During the last argument Jack and Ennis have, immediately after Jack says, "It's all we got, boy, f**kin' all, so I hope you know that if you don't never know the rest." Ennis turns away from Jack. As he turns he say something. What did he say? It sounds like G*d damn _____ (son of a b*tch)? Can't tell.
OK...I don't have the short story in front of me...but...as I remember...the short story says something to the effect.."ennis said something only the horses could hear". I guess this particular line...according to Annie Proulx...was not meant to be audible...something Ennis muttered under his breath.