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I find this article a very odd observation.One minute they are trying to impose upon us their views that two masculine men together will not work and in the next sentence they say this:
(“When men and women are attracted to each other, fall in love and enter into lasting relationships, they are choosing partners who differ from themselves,”)
Jack and Ennis 'WERE' complete opposites personality wise,so i'm not sure what this person is trying to impress upon us about them being too similar to work?
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Sydney Star Observer - Issue 813 - Published 27/04/2006
SAME SEX, DIFFERENT TYPES by Stacy Farrar
A CONTROVERSIAL SCIENTIST ARGUES SAME-SEX COUPLES CAN ONLY SURVIVE BY BEING DIFFERENT.
Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger may shatter some stereotypes in Brokeback Mountain, but they’re a pretty unlikely match-up, according to controversial neuroscientist Simon LeVay.
LeVay, famous for identifying a possible “brain difference” between gay and straight men in 1991, believes a more realistic representation can be found in the butch/ femme relationship between Robin Williams and Nathan Lane in 1996’s The Birdcage.
Writing in this week’s New Scientist, LeVay argues that similarities in a same-sex relationship – like the equal masculinity of Ennis Del Mar and Jack Swift in Brokeback – can lead to boredom and bed death.
“When men and women are attracted to each other, fall in love and enter into lasting relationships, they are choosing partners who differ from themselves,” he writes.
“Men and women may not be from different planets, but they are much more alien to each other, on average, than are two men or two women.”
Same-sex couples could be “too similar” for stable relationships, the gay neuroscientist writes. “They have nothing to trade, as it were. In addition, it may be difficult for a person to see their partner as sufficiently ‘other’ or ‘exotic’ for romantic passion to exist.”
LeVay believes this need for opposition explains some of the sub-sections of the gay and lesbian community, including butch/ femme relationships in lesbians and gay men who date much older or younger partners or partners of a different race.
“Some degree of difference between partners is probably necessary for the establishment and maintenance of loving sexual relationships,” he writes.
“With a man and a woman, this essential difference is supplied automatically by the very fact that the union crosses the sex divide. Differences between that, in age, race and so forth, may tend to overload a couple’s capacity for mutual understanding, or may provoke social intolerance, which would explain why most stable heterosexual partnerships are between fairly similar people.”
LeVay became famous in 1991 when he announced he had found a potential biological marker for homosexuality in the brains of gay men.
See the full article on the New Scientist website.
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Submitted by Lawrence, from North Attleboro, MA,on the 28/04/2006 11:13:58 AM
What an inaccurate observation and analysis! Same sex couples divorce rates are well over 50%. The notion of men and women remaining partners because of love is a concept that was not the norm prior to the mid 19th century for those that study history. The portrayal of same sex relationships back in the 1960s is quite accurately portrayed in Brokeback Mountain." I know, for I lived it.
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One more thing.He must of watched the film/read the book and done his homework so well.
Jack SWIFT ::)
Jennis.x
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Thanks Jennis.
Somehow, I am about wary about potential oversimplifications. As for Ennis and Jack in the movie, I do think they are portrayed successfully as different types -- but not sterotypically. That's the beauty of it, IMO.
:)
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Annie Proulx's Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist had lots of differences.
Ennis was long-legged tall with a small body while Jack was short with large thighs and hips.
The way they were raised was different, too.
They certainly were nothing like the lead characters of "The Bird Cage."
But, for a same-sex couple to have a lasting relationship, they do have to have lots of things in common and those might be simple minor things.
A "gay couple" does not have to be the mirror of a "straight couple." One guy does not have to be feminine while the other is masculine; they both can be masculine but different in their masculinity.
Neither of the two story/movie characters fit gay "stereotypes."
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I find this article a very odd observation.One minute they are trying to impose upon us their views that two masculine men together will not work and in the next sentence they say this:
One word, HOGWASH! Another attempt at generalization. Him being gay doesn't make him any more an expert on the matter.
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They are very complimentary characters in my opinion, just similar enough and just different enough to be a perfect match. Or as Jake said, "they are a ying and a yang that together makes a whole". I think this researcher needs to broaden the scope of his study.
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They are very complimentary characters in my opinion, just similar enough and just different enough to be a perfect match. Or as Jake said, "they are a ying and a yang that together makes a whole". I think this researcher needs to broaden the scope of his study.
Yes the ying and the yang. Jack was a dreamer, Ennis was more cautious. They had a lot of differences personality wise but they had the most basic thing in common- they loved each other.
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That is the dumbest thing i've ever read.. two masculine men wouldnt last or work because they are too similar? give me a break. That makes me laugh, because its just sooooooooooooo dumb. ugh.. whatever.. ::)
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That is a steaming pile of former bull feed.
Similarities help you understand the other person and create a bond very difficult to achieve with someone very different. Too many similarities can create blind spots.
Differences can be appealing in an opposites-attract kind of way. Too many differences can create maddening conflict and "you just don't understand me".
Either end of the spectrum presents particular challenges.