Ok, and here's my big question for the day.
The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking? I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.
What about you?
Ann
Ok, and here's my big question for the day.
The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking? I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.
What about you?
Ann
Ann, both story and screenplay agree on this detail. He took Ennis's hand and wrapped it around his c*ck. You can see Gyllenhaal/Jack squirming with pleasure in this scene -- right before Ledger/Ennis awakes...
I qualify. In the movie, he probably did not wrap it around it. He probably was rubbing himself...
Oh, I think I just need to get the book. I kinda wanna read it, but do you think after seeing the movie, I'll still be interested in it? Like, I'm afraid I'll start skipping through it because I've seen the movie. But, then again, I see so many things that were in the book that aren't in the movie, so I'm thinking it's well worth picking up and reading. I think it might answer some questions I have still :) Thanks!!
Is the book in paperback now, I'm sure? :)
Wonderful. Well tonight, I'll pick up the book, tonight I'll watch the DVD again, and how could I read the screenplay on this? I love reading, so I think I'll be just fine not skipping through it, honestly, especially when it's BBM. :)
Yeah, in the movie, I just thought Jack wrapped Ennis' arm around his waist and that's it and then Ennis wakes up. Must watch more closely now!! :)
Oh, I think I just need to get the book. I kinda wanna read it, but do you think after seeing the movie, I'll still be interested in it? Like, I'm afraid I'll start skipping through it because I've seen the movie. But, then again, I see so many things that were in the book that aren't in the movie, so I'm thinking it's well worth picking up and reading. I think it might answer some questions I have still :) Thanks!!
Is the book in paperback now, I'm sure? :)
Ok, and here's my big question for the day.
The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking? I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.
What about you?
Ann
oh god, I LOVE the first tent scene. I dunno why most people, when beeing asked what their fav scene is, never seem to mention that scene. personally, I think that the scene was quite beautiful actually. raw, yes but still so passionat and impulsive. and well, sex in general is a beautiful act so. I really enjoyed it :D I just....felt the tension, the chemistry, the fact that it was 'right'.
In the screenplay, Jack is described as "wide awake"; Ennis is half-asleep. So I'd say there was definitely premeditation there! What I'm wondering, though, is if Ennis had any inkling that something might happen when he came into the tent. After all, they had been getting closer and closer (and someone also pointed out on another thread today that Ennis reached out and touched Jack's shoulder when they were gathering wood in a scene just before this), and he seems to have had very friendly feelings toward him . . . perhaps alcohol gave Jack the courage to act on feelings that he already had and that he sensed in Ennis. After all, the SNIT (is that the right term?) followed soon after.
Personally, I don't think that was on his mind then... I thought that when he went inside the tent in the first night he was too drunk and tired and frozen to be thinking of anything... but once it happened, he realized how much he had wanted that himself, and what strong feelings Jack's touch had provoked in him. But he couldn't deal with these feelings at first and he was too confused and anxious, because he was brought up in such a homophobic atmosphere... I think that when he told Jack that it was a one-shot-thing and that he wasn't queer, he was more trying to convince himself of that. And then at the 2nd night, when he was sitting near the fire and Jack was inside the tent, all he knew was that he wanted to be in there with Jack and feel his touch again, and he gave in to his emotions... that's the way I see it.
and I dont think Jack was drunk at all, but he knew Ennis was. Look at the scene by the fire before they went to sleep - Jack is perfectly steady on his feet when getting Ennis a blanket, and his speech is clear. He knew what he wanted, and I say good luck to him ! ;D
.. he Ennis got liquored up and made his move... that is why this is one of my favorite pics of Jack... see how peaceful he sleeps. :D :D :D :D
In the screenplay, Jack is described as "wide awake"; Ennis is half-asleep. So I'd say there was definitely premeditation there! What I'm wondering, though, is if Ennis had any inkling that something might happen when he came into the tent. After all, they had been getting closer and closer (and someone also pointed out on another thread today that Ennis reached out and touched Jack's shoulder when they were gathering wood in a scene just before this), and he seems to have had very friendly feelings toward him . . . perhaps alcohol gave Jack the courage to act on feelings that he already had and that he sensed in Ennis. After all, the SNIT (is that the right term?) followed soon after.
Personally, I don't think that was on his mind then... I thought that when he went inside the tent in the first night he was too drunk and tired and frozen to be thinking of anything... but once it happened, he realized how much he had wanted that himself, and what strong feelings Jack's touch had provoked in him. But he couldn't deal with these feelings at first and he was too confused and anxious, because he was brought up in such a homophobic atmosphere... I think that when he told Jack that it was a one-shot-thing and that he wasn't queer, he was more trying to convince himself of that. And then at the 2nd night, when he was sitting near the fire and Jack was inside the tent, all he knew was that he wanted to be in there with Jack and feel his touch again, and he gave in to his emotions... that's the way I see it.
In the screenplay, Jack is described as "wide awake"; Ennis is half-asleep. So I'd say there was definitely premeditation there! What I'm wondering, though, is if Ennis had any inkling that something might happen when he came into the tent. After all, they had been getting closer and closer (and someone also pointed out on another thread today that Ennis reached out and touched Jack's shoulder when they were gathering wood in a scene just before this), and he seems to have had very friendly feelings toward him . . . perhaps alcohol gave Jack the courage to act on feelings that he already had and that he sensed in Ennis. After all, the SNIT (is that the right term?) followed soon after.
Personally, I don't think that was on his mind then... I thought that when he went inside the tent in the first night he was too drunk and tired and frozen to be thinking of anything... but once it happened, he realized how much he had wanted that himself, and what strong feelings Jack's touch had provoked in him. But he couldn't deal with these feelings at first and he was too confused and anxious, because he was brought up in such a homophobic atmosphere... I think that when he told Jack that it was a one-shot-thing and that he wasn't queer, he was more trying to convince himself of that. And then at the 2nd night, when he was sitting near the fire and Jack was inside the tent, all he knew was that he wanted to be in there with Jack and feel his touch again, and he gave in to his emotions... that's the way I see it.
I agree, ellyjay... Jack was perfectly steady... he got Ennis liquored up and made his move...
He made his move, but I don't think he got Ennis drunk for that purpose. Ennis seemed to like his drink pretty well on his own, lol. But, that's totally my opinion :)
BTW, I bought the short story and screenplay this weekend. Definitely opened up so much more to me now that I'm reading both of them!!
Ann
He made his move, but I don't think he got Ennis drunk for that purpose. Ennis seemed to like his drink pretty well on his own, lol. But, that's totally my opinion :)
BTW, I bought the short story and screenplay this weekend. Definitely opened up so much more to me now that I'm reading both of them!!
Ann
Yes. I don't think Jack had planned for it either. He just seized the opportunity. ;D Jack said "You ought to sleep with me in the tent"
I agree completely. Do you guys not recall Ennis saying
"You may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity"
... well, JACK SEIZED THE OPPORTUNITY!! YAY!!! ;D ;D
and I dont think Jack was drunk at all, but he knew Ennis was. Look at the scene by the fire before they went to sleep - Jack is perfectly steady on his feet when getting Ennis a blanket, and his speech is clear. He knew what he wanted, and I say good luck to him ! ;D
I agree, ellyjay... Jack was perfectly steady... he got Ennis liquored up and made his move... that is why this is one of my favorite pics of Jack... see how peaceful he sleeps. :D :D :D :D
I agree, ellyjay... Jack was perfectly steady... he got Ennis liquored up and made his move... that is why this is one of my favorite pics of Jack... see how peaceful he sleeps. :D :D :D :D
Note the expression on Ennis's face ... *Squint* He looks a little sore.
I thought he sounded kinda drunk when he said "GIven 'em hell" when Ennis says he's going up to the sheep, but it might have been more that he was sleepy, just lying there by the fire, and when he got up to get the blanket, he woke up and his speech was clearer. Donnaand I dont think Jack was drunk at all, but he knew Ennis was. Look at the scene by the fire before they went to sleep - Jack is perfectly steady on his feet when getting Ennis a blanket, and his speech is clear. He knew what he wanted, and I say good luck to him ! ;D
I agree, ellyjay... Jack was perfectly steady... he got Ennis liquored up and made his move... that is why this is one of my favorite pics of Jack... see how peaceful he sleeps. :D :D :D :D
"Too late to go out to them damn sheep," said Ennis, dizzy drunk on all fours one cold hour when the moon had notched past two. The meadow stones glowed white-green and a flinty wind worked over the meadow, scraped the fire low, then ruffled it into yellow silk sashes. "Got you a extra blanket I'll roll up out here and grab forty winks, ride out at first light."
"Freeze your ass off when that fire dies down. Better off sleepin in the tent."
"Doubt I'll feel nothin." But he staggered under canvas, pulled his boots off, snored on the ground cloth for a while, woke Jack with the clacking of his jaw.
"Jesus Christ, quit hammerin and get over here. Bedroll's big enough," said Jack in an irritable sleep-clogged voice. It was big enough, warm enough, and in a little while they deepened their intimacy considerably. Ennis ran full-throttle on all roads whether fence mending or money spending, and he wanted none of it when Jack seized his left hand and brought it to his erect c*ck. Ennis jerked his hand away as though he'd touched fire, got to his knees, unbuckled his belt, shoved his pants down, hauled Jack onto all fours and, with the help of the clear slick and a little spit, entered him, nothing he'd done before but no instruction manual needed. They went at it in silence except for a few sharp intakes of breath and Jack's choked "gun's goin off," then out, down, and asleep.
What was in the movie was somewhat different from what was in the short story.
Quote from the SS:QuoteNotice that Jack did not "Got . . . an extra blanket" for Ennis. Notice that the only one who undid his pants in the above was Ennis. Jack either had his pushed down already or he was naked in the bedroll. If one has the right kind of bedding for a bedroll, one can actually keep warmer if sleeping in the nude while camping out of doors.That makes sense... hmmm Jack was ready for Ennis. Wow i didn't catch that... explains how Jack was able to get Ennis's hand on his erect c*ck.
In the movie, it looks like they are lying in a double-sized bedroll, with Ennis lying flat on his back and Jack on his left side with his back to Ennis. It seemed rather awkward to me how Jack reached behind himself and across Ennis to grab a hold of Ennis's right hand and forcefully pull it across his own body to put it on his erection.
Knowing the fighting nature of Ennis, I think that if (Annie Proulx's) Jack had done that, Ennis would have given Jack an attitude adjustment by slugging him in the face. Ennis was not the type who would let another person force him to do something.
In the movie, it looks like they are lying in a double-sized bedroll, with Ennis lying flat on his back and Jack on his left side with his back to Ennis. It seemed rather awkward to me how Jack reached behind himself and across Ennis to grab a hold of Ennis's right hand and forcefully pull it across his own body to put it on his erection.
Knowing the fighting nature of Ennis, I think that if (Annie Proulx's) Jack had done that, Ennis would have given Jack an attitude adjustment by slugging him in the face. Ennis was not the type who would let another person force him to do something.
In the movie, it looks like they are lying in a double-sized bedroll, with Ennis lying flat on his back and Jack on his left side with his back to Ennis. It seemed rather awkward to me how Jack reached behind himself and across Ennis to grab a hold of Ennis's right hand and forcefully pull it across his own body to put it on his erection.
Knowing the fighting nature of Ennis, I think that if (Annie Proulx's) Jack had done that, Ennis would have given Jack an attitude adjustment by slugging him in the face. Ennis was not the type who would let another person force him to do something.
If you read Annie's story again, you will note that Ennis "enters" Jack with the help of "slick" and a little spit. Male anatomy being what it is, that requires Ennis to have an erection and the benefit of a little time, a minute or so. The implication being that Ennis was lying there wanting it pretty badly too, he just wasn't as consciously aware of it yet. This may be just as true in the film.
It would be interesting to time how long an interval it is between Ennis bolting upright and then undoing his belt and trousers; can't be more that 10 seconds.
And maybe OT and a little off color, but I can't help feeling a little distressed for our poor Jack on the suddenness of Ennis's entry. OWWWW!!! to put it mildly. Good thing Jack doesn't have a low startle point. OK I promise I'll stop now
If you read Annie's story again, you will note that Ennis "enters" Jack with the help of "slick" and a little spit. Male anatomy being what it is, that requires Ennis to have an erection and the benefit of a little time, a minute or so. The implication being that Ennis was lying there wanting it pretty badly too, he just wasn't as consciously aware of it yet. This may be just as true in the film.
It would be interesting to time how long an interval it is between Ennis bolting upright and then undoing his belt and trousers; can't be more that 10 seconds.
And maybe OT and a little off color, but I can't help feeling a little distressed for our poor Jack on the suddenness of Ennis's entry. OWWWW!!! to put it mildly. Good thing Jack doesn't have a low startle point. OK I promise I'll stop now
Ok, and here's my big question for the day.
The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking? I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.
What about you?
Ann
Ok, and here's my big question for the day.
The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking? I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.
What about you?
Ann
I have never seen Jack as the planning kind (getting Ennis drunk, etc. - some people seem to favour this view), imo, he was suddenly overwhelmed by Ennis, he didn't really know what he was doing, he just felt a pull he could never, never have resisted, the pull of fate maybe. I think the FNIT scene is a metaphor for the whole movie. Those two people were introduced kinda suddenly to each other, and very violently.
Ennis and Jack were not aware or not prepared to face all the conflicts the distiny have for them.
In my Dvd, when you run subtitles, Ennis slurs 'What are we doing' as he and Jack are face to face after he jerked upright. Jack just stares at him - fixing him with his stare, and says nothing but rips his jacket off. And it goes from there ..... Wow!
and I dont think Jack was drunk at all, but he knew Ennis was. Look at the scene by the fire before they went to sleep - Jack is perfectly steady on his feet when getting Ennis a blanket, and his speech is clear.
The SNIT seems to me the time when tenderness and closeness and warmth and caring come into it - Jack is making love to Ennisi then, it's not purely animalistic.
The SNIT seems to me the time when tenderness and closeness and warmth and caring come into it - Jack is making love to Ennisi then, it's not purely animalistic.
Yeah, that's my take on it too - the second night they make love, rather than just have sex.
Going by the AP story lines, I really think that the reason that Jack Twist put Ennis Del Mar's hand on his erect c*ck was that Jack had felt the rise in Ennis's Levi's which was butted against Jack's bare nekkid rear end.
It would be like Jack saying by his actions, "Oh, you got a hardon, Ennis. Let my take your hand to show you that I have one, too."
IMO, the evidence of the "clear slick" which Ennis had was due to that he was sexually aroused by Jack during their deepened intimacy in the bedroll.
To bring down the tone a notch, Shakespeare says that alcohol provokes the desire but takes away the performance - but drunk or sober they didn't appear to have any problems!
For me, the moment that confirms Ennis is interested is when he puts his hands on Jack's face, just after Jack takes his jacket off - up until that point there's just a lot of grabbing of jackets/shoulders and it's not totally clear whether Ennis is trying to hold Jack off or hold on to him. But as soon as he touches Jack's face, then holds onto his hair (badly put, but I'm sure you all know which bit I mean), it's clear that he's not going to run away. It's only after Ennis does this that Jack unbuckles his belt (tries desperately to think of something other than Jake Gyllenhaal unbuckling his belt with one hand ;D)- almost like he was waiting for confirmation that Ennis wanted this too.
I think that in those brief moments when they held each other's faces, their eyes were talking to each other, telling each other without words how much they've wanted that.
and like you said, it was only after Jack got this confirmation from Ennis's eyes that he unbuckled his belt.
I think that in those brief moments when they held each other's faces, their eyes were talking to each other, telling each other without words how much they've wanted that.
Thanks keren - that's what I was trying to say. You put it much better though.and like you said, it was only after Jack got this confirmation from Ennis's eyes that he unbuckled his belt.
(OT) Jeez, still thinking about that.... ::) ;)
In that last tent sleeping scene, I'm pretty sure it was Ennis wrapped around Jack. :)
I think Jack is totally fulfilled by Ennis and his expression conveys this
I know from reading the posts here that Jack hits the ground with Ennis's hand, but every time I've seen this scene in the theater it was too dark for me to see anything! I'm still waiting for my own private copy to check it for myself... there are quite a few things that I need to check more closely once I get it, I should make a list! ;)
I also, having entirely the wrong sort of mind, wonder what motivated Jake to hammer the ground as he did in the FNITI don't know what his motivation was, but I read somewhere that Ang Lee made the comment that he was very proud of Jake for doing that, because somehow it made the scene so realistic. Apprently it was Jake's idea, not direction from Ang. In my opinion, I think Jake was assuming that Jack would have been experiencing pain as well as pleasure. I have a question, though...WHAT was Jack/Jake doing with Ennis/Heath's hand? Was he pounding the ground with Heath's hand, or does he grab Heath's hand AFTER he pounds the ground? One thing I've noticed is that Jake is pulling Heath down a little...and Jake is arching his back a his lips look like they touch (or almost touch) Heath's hand. Anyone else notice this?
[ One thing I've noticed is that Jake is pulling Heath down a little...and Jake is arching his back a his lips look like they touch (or almost touch) Heath's hand. Anyone else notice this?
Donna
No I didn't notice that. I guess I have more "research" to do today.
I also, having entirely the wrong sort of mind, wonder what motivated Jake to hammer the ground as he did in the FNITI don't know what his motivation was, but I read somewhere that Ang Lee made the comment that he was very proud of Jake for doing that, because somehow it made the scene so realistic. Apprently it was Jake's idea, not direction from Ang. In my opinion, I think Jake was assuming that Jack would have been experiencing pain as well as pleasure. I have a question, though...WHAT was Jack/Jake doing with Ennis/Heath's hand? Was he pounding the ground with Heath's hand, or does he grab Heath's hand AFTER he pounds the ground? One thing I've noticed is that Jake is pulling Heath down a little...and Jake is arching his back a his lips look like they touch (or almost touch) Heath's hand. Anyone else notice this?
Donna
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I agree with others who said they think Jack took Ennis' hand after he pounds the floor, mainly because Jack is hitting the floor so hard, I don't think Ennis is leaning over enough for his hand to reach adequately. It looks like Ennis' hand would barely reach the floor at that point. To me, Jack is hitting the floor in a mix of pain and pleasure and then takes Ennis' hand. I'm not sure if he's trying to pull Ennis closer or he's just grasping his hand for the sake of holding onto him. I wish this scene was brighter! But even if it was, not everything is in the frame of the shot anyway, so we still might not know the details. But I'm having fun trying to figure it out. ;D
A thought struck me as I was watching the scene and I don't know if it was mentioned before or not but it seemed to me that Ennis would rather stay out there in the cold rather than voluntarily go into that tent. I mean he was freezing and he made no attempt to go in there until Jack yelled at him to get in the tent- he was so reluctant to give into his desire. That makes him going in to Jack during the SNIT on his own accord that much sweeter to me.
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Well no but if someone ask me i can say i'm searching for something, my dad is thinking in sending me to therapy i watch the movie every day in the morning like my daily break fast btw if i'm not mistaking he was holding Ennis' hand but hte screen cap would telll!!!!
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Well no but if someone ask me i can say i'm searching for something, my dad is thinking in sending me to therapy i watch the movie every day in the morning like my daily break fast btw if i'm not mistaking he was holding Ennis' hand but hte screen cap would telll!!!!
yeah, I can just imagine your dad's face when he walks in and finds you looking closely at the FNIT scene with all the breating and the grunting and rewinding it over and over again... and he asks "Carlos what's that?" and you say "oh, I'm only searching for something"... ROTFLMAO!!! Sorry, it just cracks me up... ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
As for the photo - finally it's not so dark, I can see something!! but it's not exactly clear... is he holding Ennis/Heath's hand? it seems to me more like he's grabbing his sleeve.
As for the photo - finally it's not so dark, I can see something!! but it's not exactly clear... is he holding Ennis/Heath's hand? it seems to me more like he's grabbing his sleeve.
Uhm...watching that youtube clip just made me notice something abou FNIT... Ennis lies down and Jack gets comfy, he looks up very quickly then closes his eyes...like he isn't sure he really got Ennis next to him :)
As for the photo - finally it's not so dark, I can see something!! but it's not exactly clear... is he holding Ennis/Heath's hand? it seems to me more like he's grabbing his sleeve.
Yes, I agree with you Keren_b. You can see Ennis' thumb and fingers (which are curled inward) and Jack's hand is on the outside of them near the sleeve of Ennis's coat.
I watched the movie again last night, and I couldn't hear what Ennis says right before they get it on hehe :) when they are facing each other..I had the volume turned up but and I know he said something but I missed it..I did hear alot of grunting and heaving and Jack hitting the floor of the tent with his hand..and lots of noice..:)
I watched the movie again last night, and I couldn't hear what Ennis says right before they get it on hehe :) when they are facing each other..I had the volume turned up but and I know he said something but I missed it..I did hear alot of grunting and heaving and Jack hitting the floor of the tent with his hand..and lots of noice..:)
Sunflower79 - all Ennis says is "what are you doing?", but it's very slurred (I think the phrase Annie Proulx uses is that Ennis was "sleep clogged", or am I thinking of a different bit of the story?) and it comes out like "wharryoudoin?"
Looks to me like he is holding Ennis's hand. Holding on for dear life !
This was a very realistic scene ! ;)
Looks to me like he is holding Ennis's hand. Holding on for dear life !
This was a very realistic scene ! ;)
BOO ! It's danac...taking a deep breath of fresh air ;)
For what it's worth, it looks to me like he's holding his arm and then at the moment the "gun's goin off" grabs his hand!
Can we say "gun's goin off" here? ;D
I think that is why he grabbed his hand like that. Gun going off.
I had never heard that phrase before. When I read it in the book, I of course I figured out what it meant, but
never heard it before. In the book, Jack mumbles "gun's goin off",
Pounding and arm grabbing was their way of showing it.
I think that is why he grabbed his hand like that. Gun going off.
I had never heard that phrase before. When I read it in the book, I of course I figured out what it meant, but
never heard it before. In the book, Jack mumbles "gun's goin off",
Pounding and arm grabbing was their way of showing it.
Well, I still haven't figured out what is going on and who is grabbing who. But, it only took 27 seconds! That is way too fast for me. Where is the fun in that?
I think that is why he grabbed his hand like that. Gun going off.
I had never heard that phrase before. When I read it in the book, I of course I figured out what it meant, but
never heard it before. In the book, Jack mumbles "gun's goin off",
Pounding and arm grabbing was their way of showing it.
Well, I still haven't figured out what is going on and who is grabbing who. But, it only took 27 seconds! That is way too fast for me. Where is the fun in that?
It was fast, wasn't it. I'm sure their next time lasted longer !
Uhhhh..... I play it in slow motion a lot !! Well..... okay.... everytime !! ;D
Does that make me one sick puppy? ;)
Well mayby thay did hold out longer, we see them, then the tent, then them asleep... we didn't see them finish..so to speak, and I am not sure the holding hands was anyone finishing, I think it was Jack holding on for dear life cause I have a feelling I shouldn't say what I was thinking here :)
Well mayby thay did hold out longer, we see them, then the tent, then them asleep... we didn't see them finish..so to speak, and I am not sure the holding hands was anyone finishing, I think it was Jack holding on for dear life cause I have a feelling I shouldn't say what I was thinking here :)
I thought the grunting from Ennis and the collapse from Jack meant they were finished! My god, I've long forgotten what it was like to be 19 ;)
Well mayby thay did hold out longer, we see them, then the tent, then them asleep... we didn't see them finish..so to speak, and I am not sure the holding hands was anyone finishing, I think it was Jack holding on for dear life cause I have a feelling I shouldn't say what I was thinking here :)
I thought the grunting from Ennis and the collapse from Jack meant they were finished! My god, I've long forgotten what it was like to be 19 ;)
I thought the grunting from Ennis and the collapse from Jack meant they were finished! My god, I've long forgotten what it was like to be 19 ;)
Well mayby thay did hold out longer, we see them, then the tent, then them asleep... we didn't see them finish..so to speak, and I am not sure the holding hands was anyone finishing, I think it was Jack holding on for dear life cause I have a feelling I shouldn't say what I was thinking here :)
I thought the grunting from Ennis and the collapse from Jack meant they were finished! My god, I've long forgotten what it was like to be 19 ;)
LOL !! Me too. Oh to be 19 again.
Maybe they were just finished for that round !?
I also thought that the grunting and Jack's collapse meant that they were finished, and it was way too fast - if not for them, then for me! But I don't think there were any more rounds, according to the story after the first one it was "out, down and asleep". I wonder why Larry and Diana didn't include "gun's going off" in the screenplay... Just imagine Jack/Jake saying that in the movie, WOW, that could be really really sexy... I think if he said that I would've finished... (did I just say that??! :o no, I didn't say that... ignore that one, please!!)
I also thought that the grunting and Jack's collapse meant that they were finished, and it was way too fast - if not for them, then for me! But I don't think there were any more rounds, according to the story after the first one it was "out, down and asleep". I wonder why Larry and Diana didn't include "gun's going off" in the screenplay... Just imagine Jack/Jake saying that in the movie, WOW, that could be really really sexy... I think if he said that I would've finished... (did I just say that??! :o no, I didn't say that... ignore that one, please!!)
:o :o
How can we ignore that when it's down in black and white Keren? ;D
I also thought that the grunting and Jack's collapse meant that they were finished, and it was way too fast - if not for them, then for me! But I don't think there were any more rounds, according to the story after the first one it was "out, down and asleep". I wonder why Larry and Diana didn't include "gun's going off" in the screenplay... Just imagine Jack/Jake saying that in the movie, WOW, that could be really really sexy... I think if he said that I would've finished... (did I just say that??! :o no, I didn't say that... ignore that one, please!!)
:o :o
How can we ignore that when it's down in black and white Keren? ;D
Oh.. ahmmm... well... aaaahhh.... *blushing and burrying my head in the sand*
I thought the grunting from Ennis and the collapse from Jack meant they were finished! My god, I've long forgotten what it was like to be 19 ;)
LOL !! Me too. Oh to be 19 again.
Maybe they were just finished for that round !?Quote
If I went more than one of those rounds, they'd have to pull me out of the tent by my hair the nest day! ;)
I thought the grunting from Ennis and the collapse from Jack meant they were finished! My god, I've long forgotten what it was like to be 19 ;)
LOL !! Me too. Oh to be 19 again.
Maybe they were just finished for that round !?Quote
If I went more than one of those rounds, they'd have to pull me out of the tent by my hair the nest day! ;)
Well, Jack was walking a little funny the next morning when he comes out of the tent. I always thought the way Jack grabs Ennis hand and then Ennis makes that big "AHRGGGG" sound, the fireworks went off at the same time. But that could just be my little demented mind working overtime! ;D I'd say it was a "successful" evening for sure for both of them! Ennis sure couldn't resist coming back for more the second night. ;D
I remember the first time I saw the movie at the theater. The FNIT was very dark, so I really couldn't figure out what the hell
was going on until I heard Ennis go Ahrggggg ! Then it was .... AHA......
I stayed for the next viewing and went back the next day, and the next. Just had to make sure, you see ;D
I remember the first time I saw the movie at the theater. The FNIT was very dark, so I really couldn't figure out what the hell
was going on until I heard Ennis go Ahrggggg ! Then it was .... AHA......
I stayed for the next viewing and went back the next day, and the next. Just had to make sure, you see ;D
Oh, yes, well, me, too. I only went back six (or more ;D ) times to verify what happened in the tent for purely artistic reasons *coughs.* You know, either I have better vision than I thought or the film quality was better for some reason, but I had no problems seeing the action the FNIT. It was dark, but not too dark. Or maybe it was just the fact that the ushers had to peel me off the screen at the end of the scene so others could enjoy the rest of the movie!
Or maybe it was just the fact that the ushers had to peel me off the screen at the end of the scene so others could enjoy the rest of the movie!
I'm a bit worried - you mean twenty-seven seconds is QUICK?
Actuall I'm more worried about some people who need to get a life - imagine watching FNIT more than once. The fact that the YouTube clips of this got worn out before the DVD came out in the UK has nothing to do with me...
And I've spent ages trying to get it lighter, all in the interests of fully appreciating the cinematography - finally found a thing callled ABIT which let me mess with the colour balance, contrast and brightness in synch...
I'm a bit worried - you mean twenty-seven seconds is QUICK?
Actuall I'm more worried about some people who need to get a life - imagine watching FNIT more than once. The fact that the YouTube clips of this got worn out before the DVD came out in the UK has nothing to do with me...
And I've spent ages trying to get it lighter, all in the interests of fully appreciating the cinematography - finally found a thing callled ABIT which let me mess with the colour balance, contrast and brightness in synch...
I'm a bit worried - you mean twenty-seven seconds is QUICK?
Actuall I'm more worried about some people who need to get a life - imagine watching FNIT more than once. The fact that the YouTube clips of this got worn out before the DVD came out in the UK has nothing to do with me...
And I've spent ages trying to get it lighter, all in the interests of fully appreciating the cinematography - finally found a thing callled ABIT which let me mess with the colour balance, contrast and brightness in synch...
The youtube clips are worn out? :o What am I supposed to do when I need a BBM fix at work now? ;)
Everytime I tried to watch it at work, one of the guys comes walking by and says.... what's that?
I say... whut !!!
Well, I can't help it. I love FNIT. I admit..... I'm addicted. Just wish it had been longer !
Karen, if it is hot action you are looking for, just go to your local adult bookstore and buy a video. LOL!!!!
Karen, if it is hot action you are looking for, just go to your local adult bookstore and buy a video. LOL!!!!
well patriot sweetie...NOT THE SAME THING.... the allure is the fact that you DON'T see everything ;)
(those vids are as dumb as the straight versions I hear people got)
What was that first thing he did? It looked like he was pulling a draw string or something before he unbuttons it. It happens very fast so you have to be watching for it. Just before Ennis says "what are you doing."
What was that first thing he did? It looked like he was pulling a draw string or something before he unbuttons it. It happens very fast so you have to be watching for it. Just before Ennis says "what are you doing."
I think he was pulling on a string as you say... the coat had buttons and a "flap" that you tie with a string :)
No flap, looks like he misses the button the first time :)What was that first thing he did? It looked like he was pulling a draw string or something before he unbuttons it. It happens very fast so you have to be watching for it. Just before Ennis says "what are you doing."
I think he was pulling on a string as you say... the coat had buttons and a "flap" that you tie with a string :)
Flap? What flap is this? I keep watching the first third of the movie over and over looking for hanging strings that he might have pulled on but I can't ever see anything. It looks like a normal coat with buttons to me.
No flap, looks like he misses the button the first time :)What was that first thing he did? It looked like he was pulling a draw string or something before he unbuttons it. It happens very fast so you have to be watching for it. Just before Ennis says "what are you doing."
I think he was pulling on a string as you say... the coat had buttons and a "flap" that you tie with a string :)
Flap? What flap is this? I keep watching the first third of the movie over and over looking for hanging strings that he might have pulled on but I can't ever see anything. It looks like a normal coat with buttons to me.
I've got a question about FNIT too.
When they first get up to their knees and Jack grabs Ennis's jacket, there's a brief pause before Jack goes to take his jacket off. He seems to be looking deep into Ennis's eyes and holding on to Ennis with his right hand, but what does he do with his left? It appears to me that he takes Ennis's right hand and, presumably, puts it on his crotch to leave Ennis in no doubt about what he wants. Does anyone else see this? Or does anyone have another explanation for what is happening during that pause?
Well, I just watched it a dozen times and it looks to me that he puts his hand on his hip or upper thigh. Just a guess though because his hand is so far below the frame.
Well, I just watched it a dozen times and it looks to me that he puts his hand on his hip or upper thigh. Just a guess though because his hand is so far below the frame.
I agree that it looks like this, cause it looks to far behind to be on his crotch, question is tho, where is Ennis left hand at? cause it is pretty far over on Jack...
Well, I just watched it a dozen times and it looks to me that he puts his hand on his hip or upper thigh. Just a guess though because his hand is so far below the frame.
I agree that it looks like this, cause it looks to far behind to be on his crotch, question is tho, where is Ennis left hand at? cause it is pretty far over on Jack...
Another question: Does Jack start to flip Ennis over here, before Ennis takes the lead (so to speak) and flips Jack over instead?
My goodness, this is an intriguing possibility. Research must be done immediately. :) I hadn't ever noticed their hand position before--too busy checking out their approaching kiss.
Another question: Does Jack start to flip Ennis over here, before Ennis takes the lead (so to speak) and flips Jack over instead? Is he moving toward that possibility but then quickly acquiesces to Ennis's wishes?
Another question: Does Jack start to flip Ennis over here, before Ennis takes the lead (so to speak) and flips Jack over instead?
I don't think so..I think he waits to see if he will get a kick or a ...something else in return, he started it, now gonna see if it worked
He figured he would unbuckle and unzip his
pants and see how much further it would go. LIttle did he know, he would be flipped and banged to within
an inch of his life ! ;D
I don't think either one complained afterwards. ;)
Has any scene ( about 30 seconds at that) in the history of film been analyzed as much as FNIT? :o
Has any scene ( about 30 seconds at that) in the history of film been analyzed as much as FNIT? :o
I am sure it has, but Brokeback is still young :)
I've got a question about FNIT too.
When they first get up to their knees and Jack grabs Ennis's jacket, there's a brief pause before Jack goes to take his jacket off. He seems to be looking deep into Ennis's eyes and holding on to Ennis with his right hand, but what does he do with his left? It appears to me that he takes Ennis's right hand and, presumably, puts it on his crotch to leave Ennis in no doubt about what he wants. Does anyone else see this? Or does anyone have another explanation for what is happening during that pause?
The pause you mention, NoReins, and the way Jack is looking at Ennis,is (imo) Jack daring Ennis to move his hand away. When he doesn't (well, who would?! ;D), Jack sees it as the 'green light' to go ahead ;)
Has any scene ( about 30 seconds at that) in the history of film been analyzed as much as FNIT? :o
Thinking about this I am getting to the point where I think Jack wanted Ennis to take the lead... Jack initiated it and was grascious enough to stop and wait... he holds Ennis face and looks like he wants to kiss him, but Ennis does hold Jacks head to. And wanting to kiss the guy IMO is pretty different from putting his hand on your c*ck...
I think he wanted Ennis to be slightly more comfortable ...wrong word... feel less picked up and like a woman ...really stupid way of putting it but can't figure out what is the best way to say what I mean..... but I think he deliberatly waited to see what Ennis would do, and when Ennis didn't punch his lights out he made another step forward...unbuckling his belt (btw THE most sexy thing) and then letting Ennis take over. Not so sure Ennis would have agreed to be...recieving the first time, that might have truly been a one shot thing then.
I know exactly what you mean, and it kind of sums up their whole relationship really: Jack making the moves and doing all the running, but Ennis is ultimately the one in control ::)
Ok just watched it again and noticed something... (never gonna get to bed this way :) ) Not only does Ennis flip jack around, but Jack DOESN'T pull his pants down, he unbuckles and opens the button but when we see Ennis flippning him around Jack just lies there waiting.... and Ennis has t pull Jakcs pants down as well as his own...
If Ennis in ANY way at that point didn't want this....
OK, gonna have to look again, I also just noticed Jacks hand when he pulls Ennis' onto himself in the beginning there.
i've always thought that Jack puts Ennis's hand on his crotch, but I did notice that, as others have said, that his hand didn't seem to be in quite the right place, but I put that down to Jake, when they were filming it, thinking that it was near enough to give the impression Ennis's hand was on Jack's crotch ;) (and, in fairness to him, he can't have imagined that people would be analysing it in such minute detail! :-[ :-[ :-[)
But, I've just watched it again, and seen it completely different this time: Jack doesn't take Ennis's hand, Ennis's hand is already on Jack's lower arm as a result of their struggle. All Jack does is pull his arm back, with Ennis's hand on it, then (I'm guessing here, cause you can't actually see), places his arm so that it's directly between his groin and Ennis's hand,and starts to pull his arm away. The pause you mention, NoReins, and the way Jack is looking at Ennis,is (imo) Jack daring Ennis to move his hand away. When he doesn't (well, who would?! ;D), Jack sees it as the 'green light' to go ahead ;) At that point, Jack pulls his arm away and atarts taking off his jacket, and you see Ennis's arm sort of drop(and his hand presumably landing in Jack's lap! ;)), as a result of Jack pulling his arm away.
Did someone mention housework? It's *not* getting done this week!
Wow--this is quite an impressive blow-by-blow. :)
Thanks for parsing it out for us. I will have to rewatch this on slow-motion, with headphones on. Did someone mention housework? It's *not* getting done this week!
Of course, I hated having to watch it all again, and in slow motion too, but NoReins asked the question and I felt I should try to help out ;D But that's me, selfless to a fault ::) ;D
Thanks, Esme; I agree with you. Someone mentioned the possibility that Jack intended to be "on top" elsewhere, but I haven't been able to see it when watching the film myself. Linked to the short story, I guess: "Ennis ran full-throttle on all roads whether fence mending or money spending." ;)
Of course, I hated having to watch it all again, and in slow motion too, but NoReins asked the question and I felt I should try to help out ;D But that's me, selfless to a fault ::) ;D
Your sacrifice is greatly appreciated ;)
Btw, I hadn't noticed Jack pulling Ennis onto him with his right hand until it was mentioned further up in the thread, so thanks to everyone for the POV on that :) For what it's worth, I think Jack wanted Ennis to be on top that night, I don't have any evidence to support it, just my gut feeling :)
Thanks, Esme; I agree with you. Someone mentioned the possibility that Jack intended to be "on top" elsewhere, but I haven't been able to see it when watching the film myself. Linked to the short story, I guess: "Ennis ran full-throttle on all roads whether fence mending or money spending." ;)
See, here is where my English fails me. I never understood the meaning of that line. In Hebrew it was translated literaly and it made no sense, I always felt there was another meaning to it but couldn't tell what. Any of you decent people care to help? ;)
Thanks, Esme; I agree with you. Someone mentioned the possibility that Jack intended to be "on top" elsewhere, but I haven't been able to see it when watching the film myself. Linked to the short story, I guess: "Ennis ran full-throttle on all roads whether fence mending or money spending." ;)
See, here is where my English fails me. I never understood the meaning of that line. In Hebrew it was translated literaly and it made no sense, I always felt there was another meaning to it but couldn't tell what. Any of you decent people care to help? ;)
Keren, I have always understood this bit to mean that everything Ennis did, he did 100%, never allowing someone else to be in charge of a situation that involved him. So, while Jack initiates their sexual encounter, as soon as Ennis realises (or decides) what is going to happen, he wants to be in control and not to just lie there and let Jack do whatever he wants.
Just my 2p worth, though.
Thanks, Esme; I agree with you. Someone mentioned the possibility that Jack intended to be "on top" elsewhere, but I haven't been able to see it when watching the film myself. Linked to the short story, I guess: "Ennis ran full-throttle on all roads whether fence mending or money spending." ;)
See, here is where my English fails me. I never understood the meaning of that line. In Hebrew it was translated literaly and it made no sense, I always felt there was another meaning to it but couldn't tell what. Any of you decent people care to help? ;)
Jack, however, is not one to go at any pursuit cautiously or halfway (he goes "full-throttle"); it's "all or nothing" with him. So he goes for it all.
:-[ ::) :-[
Jack, however, is not one to go at any pursuit cautiously or halfway (he goes "full-throttle"); it's "all or nothing" with him. So he goes for it all.
:-[ ::) :-[
Jack, however, is not one to go at any pursuit cautiously or halfway (he goes "full-throttle"); it's "all or nothing" with him. So he goes for it all.
:-[ ::) :-[
Well, just from the sound track a blind man can tell that he got it all!! :o :o ;D
Jack, however, is not one to go at any pursuit cautiously or halfway (he goes "full-throttle"); it's "all or nothing" with him. So he goes for it all.
:-[ ::) :-[
Well, just from the sound track a blind man can tell that he got it all!! :o :o ;D
Ain't that the trutch ! :D It's almost better listeneing to it than seeing it ! ;D
Jack, however, is not one to go at any pursuit cautiously or halfway (he goes "full-throttle"); it's "all or nothing" with him. So he goes for it all.
:-[ ::) :-[
Well, just from the sound track a blind man can tell that he got it all!! :o :o ;D
Ain't that the trutch ! :D It's almost better listeneing to it than seeing it ! ;D
There really isn't anything to see. Be honest Karen, NOT watching, just listening, can't you imagine a lot more than you can see?
Jack, however, is not one to go at any pursuit cautiously or halfway (he goes "full-throttle"); it's "all or nothing" with him. So he goes for it all.
:-[ ::) :-[
Well, just from the sound track a blind man can tell that he got it all!! :o :o ;D
Ain't that the trutch ! :D It's almost better listeneing to it than seeing it ! ;D
There really isn't anything to see. Be honest Karen, NOT watching, just listening, can't you imagine a lot more than you can see?
Most definitely.... without a doubt. Just close your eyes and let your imagination take control !
Especially with headphones. The things you hear ! Whew..... getting hot in my office now !
Of course, I hated having to watch it all again, and in slow motion too, but NoReins asked the question and I felt I should try to help out ;D But that's me, selfless to a fault ::) ;D
Your sacrifice is greatly appreciated ;)
Just as I appreciate the sacrifices of everyone else on here, pointing out all the little details of every scene, and offering different viewpoints :) It's fascinating to discover so many new aspects to the movie, and it's good to know I'm not the only one who's so obssessed about it :)
Btw, I hadn't noticed Jack pulling Ennis onto him with his right hand until it was mentioned further up in the thread, so thanks to everyone for the POV on that :) For what it's worth, I think Jack wanted Ennis to be on top that night, I don't have any evidence to support it, just my gut feeling :)
Does anyone notice how Jack, after they grab each others' faces and before Jack unbuckles, ever so slightly puckers his lips like he's either trying to say something or kiss Ennis? SEXY! Whew, haven't watched FNIT in a few days and am beginning to shake from the withdrawals! Off I Go!
Does anyone notice how Jack, after they grab each others' faces and before Jack unbuckles, ever so slightly puckers his lips like he's either trying to say something or kiss Ennis? SEXY! Whew, haven't watched FNIT in a few days and am beginning to shake from the withdrawals! Off I Go!
I think Jack definitely wanted to kiss Ennis, but he also knew that might be a step too far for Ennis - a little bit too intimate, maybe? Mind you, I guess you don't get much more intimate than what Ennis did next.... :o ;)
Does anyone notice how Jack, after they grab each others' faces and before Jack unbuckles, ever so slightly puckers his lips like he's either trying to say something or kiss Ennis? SEXY! Whew, haven't watched FNIT in a few days and am beginning to shake from the withdrawals! Off I Go!
I think Jack definitely wanted to kiss Ennis, but he also knew that might be a step too far for Ennis - a little bit too intimate, maybe? Mind you, I guess you don't get much more intimate than what Ennis did next.... :o ;)
Yes, but there are guys out there that will bend over in a second but don't try to kiss them. Kissing is queer.
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
In the screenplay, Jack is described as "wide awake"; Ennis is half-asleep.� So I'd say there was definitely premeditation there!� What I'm wondering, though, is if Ennis had any inkling that something might happen when he came into the tent.� After all, they had been getting closer and closer (and someone also pointed out on another thread today that Ennis reached out and touched Jack's shoulder when they were gathering wood in a scene just before this), and he seems to have had very friendly feelings toward him . . . perhaps alcohol gave Jack the courage to act on feelings that he already had and that he sensed in Ennis.� After all, the SNIT (is that the right term?) followed soon after.
Personally, I don't think that was on his mind then... I thought that when he went inside the tent in the first night he was too drunk and tired and frozen to be thinking of anything... but once it happened, he realized how much he had wanted that himself, and what strong feelings Jack's touch had provoked in him. But he couldn't deal with these feelings at first and he was too confused and anxious, because he was brought up in such a homophobic atmosphere... I think that when he told Jack that it was a one-shot-thing and that he wasn't queer, he was more trying to convince himself of that. And then at the 2nd night, when he was sitting near the fire and Jack was inside the tent, all he knew was that he wanted to be in there with Jack and feel his touch again, and he gave in to his emotions... that's the way I see it.
Does anyone notice how Jack, after they grab each others' faces and before Jack unbuckles, ever so slightly puckers his lips like he's either trying to say something or kiss Ennis? SEXY! Whew, haven't watched FNIT in a few days and am beginning to shake from the withdrawals! Off I Go!
I think Jack definitely wanted to kiss Ennis, but he also knew that might be a step too far for Ennis - a little bit too intimate, maybe? Mind you, I guess you don't get much more intimate than what Ennis did next.... :o ;)
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just kidding NoReins. You are no more of a pervert than the rest of us. ::)
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just kidding NoReins. You are no more of a pervert than the rest of us. ::)
Heck, no you are not a pervert! Or at least, not any more so than me ! I admit it !
This is important shit we are talking about here ;D
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just kidding NoReins. You are no more of a pervert than the rest of us. ::)
Heck, no you are not a pervert! Or at least, not any more so than me ! I admit it !
This is important shit we are talking about here ;D
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just kidding NoReins. You are no more of a pervert than the rest of us. ::)
Heck, no you are not a pervert! Or at least, not any more so than me ! I admit it !
This is important shit we are talking about here ;D
Heck yeah, all this FNIT stuff is important! I need to know every little moan, whimper, movement, and angle--in detail!!! I need those outtakes from the FNIT to complete my scientific endeavor! What I wouldn't do to get those! If we think take #7 (which they used) was hot, I can imagine just how hot it got on take #13! :o
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing the ORIGINAL film in full film lighting before thy darkened it.
You guys are killing me, I was just thinking about the other 12 takes and how much I would love to see them, and then I come in here and you're already discussing it... damn, I'd give away all my property plus some of my organs just to be on set when they filmed all the love/sex/kissing scenes!!!
Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing the ORIGINAL film in full film lighting before thy darkened it.
Even Ang Lee said he was embarrassed for them watching it !!! But, then, he doesn't know the full scale of madness that has overcome us frenziedl brokeaholics! ;D
Even Ang Lee said he was embarrassed for them watching it !!! But, then, he doesn't know the full scale of madness that has overcome us frenziedl brokeaholics! ;D
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
Hell no - if I could choose, I'd be in the motel room.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This thread is so great. I know you're not going to believe me, but I could never discuss this kind of stuff with friends who were actually sitting next to me - I'd be way too shy and embarrassed. Feels pretty natural here, though.....of course, since all this discussion is purely in the interests of fully understanding every emotion that Jack and Ennis shared (and therefore fully appreciating the beauty of Annie Proulx and Ang Lee's masterpieces) and not for any other reason at all, then I guess I'm completely comfortable with it ;D
BTW - you bet I'd like to see the other 12 takes. Don't know if I'd go as far as giving away organs though Keren ;)
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
Hell no - if I could choose, I'd be in the motel room.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This thread is so great. I know you're not going to believe me, but I could never discuss this kind of stuff with friends who were actually sitting next to me - I'd be way too shy and embarrassed. Feels pretty natural here, though.....of course, since all this discussion is purely in the interests of fully understanding every emotion that Jack and Ennis shared (and therefore fully appreciating the beauty of Annie Proulx and Ang Lee's masterpieces) and not for any other reason at all, then I guess I'm completely comfortable with it ;D
BTW - you bet I'd like to see the other 12 takes. Don't know if I'd go as far as giving away organs though Keren ;)
You have a point there. Motel room would have been very, very interesting.
I'm thinking they were stripped before that motel room door was closed good. ;)
LMAO! Keren, if you donate your left kidney to the cause, I'll donate my right one. ;) Those outtakes would be incredible. Don't know if I could make it through all 12 in one setting. I might spontaneously combust! Seriously, has anyone ever seen heat and chemistry like that on the big screen before? It's unbelievable. You can't fake chemistry like that. You either have it or you don't. They have it--big time. If they didn't this scene, this movie would never work. Because of the raw nature of the FNIT, if you will, I bet both Heath and Jake had to be pretty comfortable with each other to make it work. Whew, if they rehearsed, I hope somebody taped that as well! :o
EDIT: Just realised that makes me sound like a complete pervert, which I'm not, honest ;) I could just as easily have said the surround sound allows me to be in the kitchen with Ennis and Alma when the postcard arrives, or in Jack and Lureen's at Thanksgiving.... ;) ;D
But being the pervert that you are you naturally chose to be in the tent. We undrstand.
Hell no - if I could choose, I'd be in the motel room.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This thread is so great. I know you're not going to believe me, but I could never discuss this kind of stuff with friends who were actually sitting next to me - I'd be way too shy and embarrassed. Feels pretty natural here, though.....of course, since all this discussion is purely in the interests of fully understanding every emotion that Jack and Ennis shared (and therefore fully appreciating the beauty of Annie Proulx and Ang Lee's masterpieces) and not for any other reason at all, then I guess I'm completely comfortable with it ;D
BTW - you bet I'd like to see the other 12 takes. Don't know if I'd go as far as giving away organs though Keren ;)
You have a point there. Motel room would have been very, very interesting.
I'm thinking they were stripped before that motel room door was closed good. ;)
Well Karen - I offered up my take on the motel scene in the fanfic forum....how about you give us yours? I'm thinking it would be a fair bit hotter than mine ;D
Well Karen - I offered up my take on the motel scene in the fanfic forum....how about you give us yours? I'm thinking it would be a fair bit hotter than mine ;D
Without wishing to be too crude, perhaps Jack knew that it would be too painful for Ennis if it was any other way that first night. I think we're mostly in agreement that it wasn't Jack's first time, but Annie Proulx clearly states that Ennis hadn't done it before. Jack didn't want to do anything that might cause Ennis to back off and hurting him physically would presumably do that, at least up until the point (SNIT) where Ennis comes to Jack voluntarily.
Now, umm, about the FNIT. Jack's placing Ennis's had on his [Jack's] erection might indicate that all Jack dared hope for this first night was a little playing around, maybe mutual masturbation or some other bumping and grinding, perhaps leading to orgasm. Maybe even something more, but not full-scale an*l intercourse.QuoteQuote from: stacpJack, I think, knew Ennis would only be okay in his masculinity if he were on top that night, and I think Jack was fine with this, to say the leastQuote
All these explanations make a lot of sense to me :) I love how so many people can all agree from so many differnt perspectives :)
Wow, this thread certainly is running on full throttle, isn't it? :o ;D
Does anyone notice how Jack, after they grab each others' faces and before Jack unbuckles, ever so slightly puckers his lips like he's either trying to say something or kiss Ennis? SEXY! Whew, haven't watched FNIT in a few days and am beginning to shake from the withdrawals! Off I Go!
I think Jack definitely wanted to kiss Ennis, but he also knew that might be a step too far for Ennis - a little bit too intimate, maybe? Mind you, I guess you don't get much more intimate than what Ennis did next.... :o ;)
I'll always wonder what it was about take #7 that made Ang choose it. More importantly, I would love the see the 12 others.
Just to make sure he chose right ! ;)
You know he did, but I would like the see the differences.
Strictly for research purposes. I would only need to watch them once. :)
Does anyone notice how Jack, after they grab each others' faces and before Jack unbuckles, ever so slightly puckers his lips like he's either trying to say something or kiss Ennis? SEXY! Whew, haven't watched FNIT in a few days and am beginning to shake from the withdrawals! Off I Go!
I think Jack definitely wanted to kiss Ennis, but he also knew that might be a step too far for Ennis - a little bit too intimate, maybe? Mind you, I guess you don't get much more intimate than what Ennis did next.... :o ;)
I don't know, I would say kissing can be more intimate than actually having sex sometimes, you have to get up close and personal to kiss someone,but not neccessarily to have sex with them. Don't prostitutes have a 'no kissing' rule for that same reason?
I think Jack probably did worry that kissing Ennis would have scared him off, but he could tell he wanted it, so decided to stick to the basics for that first night and hope Ennis would come back for more, and there'd be plenty of time for kissing then ;) :)
For me, as far as intimacy goes, SNIT beats FNIT everytime :)
Is there a SNIT thread?
Jack, however, is not one to go at any pursuit cautiously or halfway (he goes "full-throttle"); it's "all or nothing" with him. So he goes for it all.
:-[ ::) :-[
I presume you mean Ennis here, edgar?
) (Don't get me wrong; Michelle Williams seems very sweet and I'm glad she and Heath are together. But still!)
When I see these elements I can't help but be amazed at the spark between them:
*kissing
*grabbing
*moaning
*panting
*floor-pounding
woooo. . . . ;D
Is there a SNIT thread?
There sure is Karen:
http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=593.0
You guys are killing me, I was just thinking about the other 12 takes and how much I would love to see them, and then I come in here and you're already discussing it... damn, I'd give away all my property plus some of my organs just to be on set when they filmed all the love/sex/kissing scenes!!!
LMAO! Keren, if you donate your left kidney to the cause, I'll donate my right one. ;) Those outtakes would be incredible. Don't know if I could make it through all 12 in one setting. I might spontaneously combust! Seriously, has anyone ever seen heat and chemistry like that on the big screen before? It's unbelievable. You can't fake chemistry like that. You either have it or you don't. They have it--big time. If they didn't this scene, this movie would never work. Because of the raw nature of the FNIT, if you will, I bet both Heath and Jake had to be pretty comfortable with each other to make it work. Whew, if they rehearsed, I hope somebody taped that as well! :o
You guys are killing me, I was just thinking about the other 12 takes and how much I would love to see them, and then I come in here and you're already discussing it... damn, I'd give away all my property plus some of my organs just to be on set when they filmed all the love/sex/kissing scenes!!!
LMAO! Keren, if you donate your left kidney to the cause, I'll donate my right one. ;) Those outtakes would be incredible. Don't know if I could make it through all 12 in one setting. I might spontaneously combust! Seriously, has anyone ever seen heat and chemistry like that on the big screen before? It's unbelievable. You can't fake chemistry like that. You either have it or you don't. They have it--big time. If they didn't this scene, this movie would never work. Because of the raw nature of the FNIT, if you will, I bet both Heath and Jake had to be pretty comfortable with each other to make it work. Whew, if they rehearsed, I hope somebody taped that as well! :o
I'll donate an organ as well! I couldn't watch all of the outtakes in one shot either! Spontaneously combust-LMAO My friend and I were watching FNIT in slo mo before {she decided to help me research} and when Ennis pulled Jack's pants off our held were tilting down to the right almost trying to look up-we were trying to get a better view of "Jack Jr" as my friend named it. Didn't we wish! LOL ;D This scene in slo-mo- that is a jackasm moment!
"Jackasm": what a great term!! Let's not forget "Ennisasm" (Ennisplosion? Ennisworks?) as well--for me it's his moan/cry at the end of the scene that really makes it explosive. ;)
I agree totally! I have read hundreds of reviews of BBM, and would you believe that there are actually some people who said their love wasn't "believable" and they found no "chemistry" between Ennis/Heath and Jack/Jake. I don't know how anyone can say that! God, that reunion kiss is so hot...no chemistry? They must be blind!
Seriously, has anyone ever seen heat and chemistry like that on the big screen before? It's unbelievable. You can't fake chemistry like that. You either have it or you don't. They have it--big time. If they didn't this scene, this movie would never work. Because of the raw nature of the FNIT, if you will, I bet both Heath and Jake had to be pretty comfortable with each other to make it work
I agree totally! I have read hundreds of reviews of BBM, and would you believe that there are actually some people who said their love wasn't "believable" and they found no "chemistry" between Ennis/Heath and Jack/Jake. I don't know how anyone can say that! God, that reunion kiss is so hot...no chemistry? They must be blind!
Seriously, has anyone ever seen heat and chemistry like that on the big screen before? It's unbelievable. You can't fake chemistry like that. You either have it or you don't. They have it--big time. If they didn't this scene, this movie would never work. Because of the raw nature of the FNIT, if you will, I bet both Heath and Jake had to be pretty comfortable with each other to make it work
Donna >:(
I agree totally! I have read hundreds of reviews of BBM, and would you believe that there are actually some people who said their love wasn't "believable" and they found no "chemistry" between Ennis/Heath and Jack/Jake. I don't know how anyone can say that! God, that reunion kiss is so hot...no chemistry? They must be blind!
Seriously, has anyone ever seen heat and chemistry like that on the big screen before? It's unbelievable. You can't fake chemistry like that. You either have it or you don't. They have it--big time. If they didn't this scene, this movie would never work. Because of the raw nature of the FNIT, if you will, I bet both Heath and Jake had to be pretty comfortable with each other to make it work
Donna >:(
What.. not believeable ? :-X
THey better shut their slop bucket mouth ! :P
"Jackasm": what a great term!! Let's not forget "Ennisasm" (Ennisplosion? Ennisworks?) as well--for me it's his moan/cry at the end of the scene that really makes it explosive. ;)
I don't know how anyone can say that! God, that reunion kiss is so hot...no chemistry? They must be blind!
I don't know how anyone can say that! God, that reunion kiss is so hot...no chemistry? They must be blind!
Or failed their chemistry class!!!
In one interview, Heath said something like, "I wasn't kissing a mule's behind, I was kissing a human being with a soul. And yes, he's a good kisser."
In one interview, Heath said something like, "I wasn't kissing a mule's behind, I was kissing a human being with a soul. And yes, he's a good kisser."
Can you send a link to this interview??
The "It wasn't kissing the butt of a mule" line is from the March or April Rolling Stone with Heath on the cover.
The "he's a good kisser" is not from that interview...and I have read and seen so many, I can't remember which it was - but at one point Heath did say that.
:P
The "It wasn't kissing the butt of a mule" line is from the March or April Rolling Stone with Heath on the cover.
The "he's a good kisser" is not from that interview...and I have read and seen so many, I can't remember which it was - but at one point Heath did say that.
:P
Hi, sorry, I knew those two quotes were from different interviews. "Yeah, he's a good kisser" is from an interview with the Fordham Observer:
http://www.fordhamobserver.com/media/storage/paper827/news/2006/02/02/ArtsCulture/More-Than.Just.the.Gay.Cowboy.Movie.Heath.Ledger.Discusses.brokeback.Mountain-1595399.shtml?norewrite200605091151&sourcedomain=www.fordhamobserver.com
Enjoy!!
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Hi, sorry, I knew those two quotes were from different interviews. "Yeah, he's a good kisser" is from an interview with the Fordham Observer:
http://www.fordhamobserver.com/media/storage/paper827/news/2006/02/02/ArtsCulture/More-Than.Just.the.Gay.Cowboy.Movie.Heath.Ledger.Discusses.brokeback.Mountain-1595399.shtml?norewrite200605091151&sourcedomain=www.fordhamobserver.com
Enjoy!!
Ang Lee says in an interview with Stewart Rose that they filmed the scene 13 times (!) then used the 7th take because the later ones lacked energy/spontaneity. This was disillusioning - I imagined their just doing it once because there is so much feeling in it, it doesn't look rehearsed. Ang also said that they left the scene till fairly late in the shooting schedule so that Jake and Heath had got to know each other better...
I shall stick with my belief that they did this as they did because they felt it and could do it no other way - to me they both seem to have identified very closely with their characters, which Ang says slightly differently in another interview. It is the most powerful love-scene I've ever seen on screen and by far the most convincing.
It is the most powerful love-scene I've ever seen on screen and by far the most convincing.
It is the most powerful love-scene I've ever seen on screen and by far the most convincing.
I couldn't agree more!
It is the most powerful love-scene I've ever seen on screen and by far the most convincing.
I couldn't agree more!
I think we fell in love with the characters. Their story of forbidden love.
The chemistry between the two made it so hot. I'll never forget Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar .
I have never hung onto a story this long. Heath and Jake made it all so real.
I don't know about the other 12 FNIT takes, but that 7th one sure was hot enough for me.
Just wasn't long enough ! ;D
I am in love with these characters and story. I'd pay good money to see the other 12 takes!
I've already paid to see Jake and Heath as Jack and Ennis in the form of movie tickets and dvds. I would love to see every bit of film from this movie. I do love the characters and the story- why can't I want to see more? The comment about paying good money was in reference to posts last night about FNIT and the other takes. Unless I stick with the SS I am seeing Jake and Heath portraying Jack and Ennis throughout the whole film.
It is the most powerful love-scene I've ever seen on screen and by far the most convincing.
I couldn't agree more!
I think we fell in love with the characters. Their story of forbidden love.
The chemistry between the two made it so hot. I'll never forget Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar .
I have never hung onto a story this long. Heath and Jake made it all so real.
I don't know about the other 12 FNIT takes, but that 7th one sure was hot enough for me.
Just wasn't long enough ! ;D
Neither have I. I am in love with these characters and story. I'd pay good money to see the other 12 takes!
It is the most powerful love-scene I've ever seen on screen and by far the most convincing.
I couldn't agree more!
I think we fell in love with the characters. Their story of forbidden love.
The chemistry between the two made it so hot. I'll never forget Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar .
I have never hung onto a story this long. Heath and Jake made it all so real.
I don't know about the other 12 FNIT takes, but that 7th one sure was hot enough for me.
Just wasn't long enough ! ;D
Neither have I. I am in love with these characters and story. I'd pay good money to see the other 12 takes!
Well, Okay..... I'll admit, I would pay good money to see the other takes too ;)
Who wouldn't ! ;)I would fight for one !
I've already paid to see Jake and Heath as Jack and Ennis in the form of movie tickets and dvds. I would love to see every bit of film from this movie. I do love the characters and the story- why can't I want to see more? The comment about paying good money was in reference to posts last night about FNIT and the other takes. Unless I stick with the SS I am seeing Jake and Heath portraying Jack and Ennis throughout the whole film.
Ok, it is obvious I missed something along the way here. Thanks.
Just in case you all are wondering, I split the topic regarding the full screen vs. widescreen debate to a separate topic in the All About DVD subboard ;)
It is the most powerful love-scene I've ever seen on screen and by far the most convincing.
I couldn't agree more!
I think we fell in love with the characters. Their story of forbidden love.
The chemistry between the two made it so hot. I'll never forget Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar .
I have never hung onto a story this long. Heath and Jake made it all so real.
I don't know about the other 12 FNIT takes, but that 7th one sure was hot enough for me.
Just wasn't long enough ! ;D
Uh, he didn't pound his chest - he pounded the floor, didn't he?
Uh, he didn't pound his chest - he pounded the floor, didn't he?
Okay... nobody laugh... but the first time I saw it at the theater, the scene was so damn dark, I really couldn't
tell what the hell was going on. I heard the "pounding", and I thought I saw Jack reach back, and I thought
he was pounding on Ennis's thigh or butt. Kind of urging him on, if you will !! ;D
Or should I say "spurring" him on ! ::)
Yee Haw.... ride that bull !!
Don't laugh at me now !!! Or , call the men in the white coats . I have a very active imagination!
Okay... nobody laugh... but the first time I saw it at the theater, the scene was so damn dark, I really couldn't
tell what the hell was going on. I heard the "pounding", and I thought I saw Jack reach back, and I thought
he was pounding on Ennis's thigh or butt. Kind of urging him on, if you will !! ;D
Or should I say "spurring" him on ! ::)
Yee Haw.... ride that bull !!
Don't laugh at me now !!! Or , call the men in the white coats . I have a very active imagination!
I won't laugh--if they send in the white coats for you, I'll already be there waiting for you! ;D I really thought he was pounding his chest (and maybe his hand goes from his chest to the floor). Jack let's out a big gasp as he's pounding, like he's sucking in air trying to catch his breath. :o Myabe that's why I thought it was his chest. But, Karen, I like your idea of slapping Ennis' booty much better. Maybe they did that on take #10 but scraped it--we can only imagine!
Played it on my mp4 player last night, earphones and REALLY loud noise... when Jack grabs Ennis hand and bring it to his jr he, Jack,breaths really heavy, the kind guys do when thay are horny and finally get some kinda skin contact :)
The two times he reaches for his coat is 1. to open the button, 2. to open the coat itself :)
ANd it does sound like he says f*** me, but f***..pause...me..... and it sounds like he says each word as he has the breath knocked out of him by Ennis
Wistful thinking, stacp?? ;D Think I'll insert your imagination into this scene next time I see it!
Great observations--I always thought the first time he reached for his coat he just missed (maybe a little nerves). I didn't know he was reaching for a button. My, he showed restraint not just ripping it off! ;D I noticed those pauses between the f**** and me and then it sounds like he says "Ennis" or "Oh Ennis," but I could be just imagining that one. ;D
Wistful thinking, stacp?? ;D Think I'll insert your imagination into this scene next time I see it!
Great observations--I always thought the first time he reached for his coat he just missed (maybe a little nerves). I didn't know he was reaching for a button. My, he showed restraint not just ripping it off! ;D I noticed those pauses between the f**** and me and then it sounds like he says "Ennis" or "Oh Ennis," but I could be just imagining that one. ;D
Played it on my mp4 player last night, earphones and REALLY loud noise... when Jack grabs Ennis hand and bring it to his jr he, Jack,breaths really heavy, the kind guys do when thay are horny and finally get some kinda skin contact :)
The two times he reaches for his coat is 1. to open the button, 2. to open the coat itself :)
ANd it does sound like he says f*** me, but f***..pause...me..... and it sounds like he says each word as he has the breath knocked out of him by Ennis
Played it on my mp4 player last night, earphones and REALLY loud noise... when Jack grabs Ennis hand and bring it to his jr he, Jack,breaths really heavy, the kind guys do when thay are horny and finally get some kinda skin contact :)
The two times he reaches for his coat is 1. to open the button, 2. to open the coat itself :)
ANd it does sound like he says f*** me, but f***..pause...me..... and it sounds like he says each word as he has the breath knocked out of him by Ennis
Great observations--I always thought the first time he reached for his coat he just missed (maybe a little nerves). I didn't know he was reaching for a button. My, he showed restraint not just ripping it off! ;D I noticed those pauses between the f**** and me and then it sounds like he says "Ennis" or "Oh Ennis," but I could be just imagining that one. ;D
Played it on my mp4 player last night, earphones and REALLY loud noise... when Jack grabs Ennis hand and bring it to his jr he, Jack,breaths really heavy, the kind guys do when thay are horny and finally get some kinda skin contact :)
The two times he reaches for his coat is 1. to open the button, 2. to open the coat itself :)
ANd it does sound like he says f*** me, but f***..pause...me..... and it sounds like he says each word as he has the breath knocked out of him by Ennis
Great observations--I always thought the first time he reached for his coat he just missed (maybe a little nerves). I didn't know he was reaching for a button. My, he showed restraint not just ripping it off! ;D I noticed those pauses between the f**** and me and then it sounds like he says "Ennis" or "Oh Ennis," but I could be just imagining that one. ;D
I heard the "Oh Ennis" too. Right before the f.... me. says it in a breathless way.
It wasn't in a smutty way at all. In the heat of the moment. He had dreamed of this for a long
time .
OK, I can't believe it took me TWO MONTHS to finally get some decent speakers for my computer, but I just got home from Best Buy and hooked them up to my headphones about 15 minutes ago, and I can't stop blushing!!!!! My husband is on the other side of the room giving me some odd looks as I keep exclaiming, "Wow! Oh my! Whoa!!! That's hot!" I think he knows what I am doing over here but even I didn't expect to have quite so strong a reaction. :P I definitely heard "Oh Ennis" and lots more grunts, gasps, sighs, heavy breathing, and the like than before.
I don't think I'm going to be able to leave this spot for the rest of the day. ::)
I just love the sound Jack makes right after he has taken Ennis hand and put it on himself... the moan... actually FNIT is every bit as much a turn on with JUST the sound and no image ;)
( who am I kidding...image it is...)
it looks really bad to be sitting no more than half a metre from the TV, with earphones in, watching that scene ;) :d)
it looks really bad to be sitting no more than half a metre from the TV, with earphones in, watching that scene ;) :d)
'course it doesn't 8)
All those moans, groans, and half uttered words could take me a lifetime to study....and I just might do that.
All those moans, groans, and half uttered words could take me a lifetime to study....and I just might do that.
All those moans, groans, and half uttered words could take me a lifetime to study....and I just might do that.
I volunteer to dedicate hours to the cause of capturing every moan and mumble in the movie. Who knows what gems await us? We might here a "ride me cowboy" in there somewhere. :c)
Well if Jack is not saying it then it must have been me that you were hearing screaming it!! Save a horse...Ride a cowboy has always been my motto. <^(
And Jack does say come here before they kiss first time SNIT ... and I am still convinced he then says on I'm sorry and two alrights....
*o)
I'm not sure Ennis would have liked Jack to say something like that...mayby on a LATER fishing trip tho...
*o)
I'm not sure Ennis would have liked Jack to say something like that...mayby on a LATER fishing trip tho...
I don't think Ennis was hearing too much of anything anyway. Maybe a ringing in his ears.
He was busy ! ;)
It is going to take me forever to see this film when I have to come and say something all the time ;D
It just occured to me that Jack is one BRAVE man... to just jump into it like that... no "uhm, you now I like you alot Ennis and ..uhm...can we hold hands?" nono... get the man by your side and put his hand on your c*ck... brave man..brave...
nono... get the man by your side and put his hand on your c*ck...
Damn, I don't have a plug to ear phones on my tv, and all this talks about moans and groans that I can't hear is driving me crazy! I'm really tempted to put on the movie now and play FNIT in full volume but I'm afraid my neighbours will not appreciate that, at 1.30 AM...
ok..hard NOT to go straight here when you catch something..
When Ennis jumps up after Jack puts his hand on him, they grab at eachother... Jack saying "come here, come here..." And indeed they are holding hands :) thats so sweet...
ok..hard NOT to go straight here when you catch something..
When Ennis jumps up after Jack puts his hand on him, they grab at eachother... Jack saying "come here, come here..." And indeed they are holding hands :) thats so sweet...
I don't think they were holding hands, I think that Jack is pressing Ennis hand onto his "erect c*ck" once again just to get the message across as to what he wants. When Ennis does not pull away or punch him, Jack takes off his coat and they go for it. This is what comes of watching this in slo-motion and zoom wat too many times, but what the hell.....I love this scene. Wish it lasted longer...*sigh*
FNIT is all about the hands...I know it's all about the two of them finally getting off ther asses (sorry ) and getting on with it, but after seeing it tonight it is all about the hands for me
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I know you can't see it in here but the hands are very important here... Jacks HAND taking Ennis' HAND and placing them both on himself...
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Stole this from Dirtbikers WS vs. FS thread...thats why it's two of them...
ok..hard NOT to go straight here when you catch something..
When Ennis jumps up after Jack puts his hand on him, they grab at eachother... Jack saying "come here, come here..." And indeed they are holding hands :) thats so sweet...
I don't think they were holding hands, I think that Jack is pressing Ennis hand onto his "erect c*ck" once again just to get the message across as to what he wants. When Ennis does not pull away or punch him, Jack takes off his coat and they go for it. This is what comes of watching this in slo-motion and zoom wat too many times, but what the hell.....I love this scene. Wish it lasted longer...*sigh*
Guys, it's getting very very hot here and it's not good for me cause I'm AT WORK!!!! The minute I get home I'm gonna play this scene full volume, and then slow mo, and then full volume AGAIN... I wanna here all the moans and the groans and I wanna hear Jack say "come on"! Only problem is, how the hell do I make it untl I finish work... :`) :`) :`)
ok..hard NOT to go straight here when you catch something..
When Ennis jumps up after Jack puts his hand on him, they grab at eachother... Jack saying "come here, come here..." And indeed they are holding hands :) thats so sweet...
I don't think they were holding hands, I think that Jack is pressing Ennis hand onto his "erect c*ck" once again just to get the message across as to what he wants. When Ennis does not pull away or punch him, Jack takes off his coat and they go for it. This is what comes of watching this in slo-motion and zoom wat too many times, but what the hell.....I love this scene. Wish it lasted longer...*sigh*
I love the way these two guys touch foreheads in this scene, and Reunion scene.
Do you guys find that as hot as I do?
This scene on my computer is dark too. I just have to go by sound ! ;D
Esme dear, thank you for the pics! you're so sweet to think of me!! <^(
Okay, I got back home and played FNIT a coupla times, full volume (I really hope my neighbors were gone), and apart from the moans and the groans I can't hear any words spoken. When does he say "come on"? and when does he say "oh Ennis"?
Also, some of you were saying that just before he took off his jacket he took Ennis's hand and put it on his groin again. I can't see that. There's this moment when they're both still, just staring at each other, and then Jack takes off the jacket - I can't see their hands before that, can't see what they're doing with them. I have a wide screen version, can you actually see their hands on the full screen version?
I also can't actually SEE Jack hitting the ground, I hear the thumps and then I can see Jack grabbing Ennis's wrist.
That whole scene is too hot for words. Although we have said 11 pages worth. I hear the come on, come on, I hear the F**k me, but I do not hear him say Ennis. I guess this means that I need to watch this scene some more and at a high volume. ***Runs off to watch FNIT over and over again.***
Esme dear, thank you for the pics! you're so sweet to think of me!! <^(
Okay, I got back home and played FNIT a coupla times, full volume (I really hope my neighbors were gone), and apart from the moans and the groans I can't hear any words spoken. When does he say "come on"? and when does he say "oh Ennis"?
Also, some of you were saying that just before he took off his jacket he took Ennis's hand and put it on his groin again. I can't see that. There's this moment when they're both still, just staring at each other, and then Jack takes off the jacket - I can't see their hands before that, can't see what they're doing with them. I have a wide screen version, can you actually see their hands on the full screen version?
I also can't actually SEE Jack hitting the ground, I hear the thumps and then I can see Jack grabbing Ennis's wrist.
Hm..I see jack moving his left hand down towards his crotch/ leg where Ennis right hand is... then stare at him... the onlytrouble I have with that excellent theoryof yours NoReins is this...
If Jack indeed puts Ennis hand back on his erection, then why does Enis wait until jack starts to take his coat off with saying whaddyadoin' ? It makes more sense for him to have said it with his hand on Jacks c*ck...??
Hm..I see jack moving his left hand down towards his crotch/ leg where Ennis right hand is... then stare at him... the onlytrouble I have with that excellent theoryof yours NoReins is this...
If Jack indeed puts Ennis hand back on his erection, then why does Enis wait until jack starts to take his coat off with saying whaddyadoin' ? It makes more sense for him to have said it with his hand on Jacks c*ck...??
Maybe he was asking Jack why he moved his hand off his c*ck? :8 :s)
Hm..I see jack moving his left hand down towards his crotch/ leg where Ennis right hand is... then stare at him... the onlytrouble I have with that excellent theoryof yours NoReins is this...
If Jack indeed puts Ennis hand back on his erection, then why does Enis wait until jack starts to take his coat off with saying whaddyadoin' ? It makes more sense for him to have said it with his hand on Jacks c*ck...??
Maybe he was asking Jack why he moved his hand off his c*ck? :8 :s)
Hm..I see jack moving his left hand down towards his crotch/ leg where Ennis right hand is... then stare at him... the onlytrouble I have with that excellent theoryof yours NoReins is this...
If Jack indeed puts Ennis hand back on his erection, then why does Enis wait until jack starts to take his coat off with saying whaddyadoin' ? It makes more sense for him to have said it with his hand on Jacks c*ck...??
Maybe he was asking Jack why he moved his hand off his c*ck? :8 :s)
That's the best interpretation I've heard yet! :t)
Hm..I see jack moving his left hand down towards his crotch/ leg where Ennis right hand is... then stare at him... the onlytrouble I have with that excellent theoryof yours NoReins is this...
If Jack indeed puts Ennis hand back on his erection, then why does Enis wait until jack starts to take his coat off with saying whaddyadoin' ? It makes more sense for him to have said it with his hand on Jacks c*ck...??
Maybe he was asking Jack why he moved his hand off his c*ck? :8 :s)
That's the best interpretation I've heard yet! :t)
Ole Ennis sure nuf weren't no fool. He couldn't get Jack's jeans down fast enuf !
Lucky pup got to see Jack's cute ass !
What the hell has happened to my grammar !! (^)
Ole Ennis sure nuf weren't no fool. He couldn't get Jack's jeans down fast enuf !
Lucky pup got to see Jack's cute ass !
What the hell has happened to my grammar !! (^)
Your Brokalized
I just notized, after we see Jack holding on to Ennis' hand, Ennis sort of collapses onto Jacks back...I'm thinkin' he's done....
Ole Ennis sure nuf weren't no fool. He couldn't get Jack's jeans down fast enuf !
Lucky pup got to see Jack's cute ass !
What the hell has happened to my grammar !! (^)
Your Brokalized
I just notized, after we see Jack holding on to Ennis' hand, Ennis sort of collapses onto Jacks back...I'm thinkin' he's done....
I love the forehead thing too... very hot! I also think they way they look into each others eyes while their foreheads are together is about the sexiest thing I have ever seen. (I particularity like the look that Jack has on his face in the reunion scene... it's like he can't decide if he wants to cry or fling Ennis to the ground and... well you get the picture... ::) ) Oh... and the way Ennis kind of bumps Jack's forehead with his and then rubs his forehead across Jack's before he goes upstairs... oh BABY!
I wonder... is that his way of reassuring Jack after he pushes his hands away? (guess that is a topic for another thread though huh? :-[)
Hm..I see jack moving his left hand down towards his crotch/ leg where Ennis right hand is... then stare at him... the onlytrouble I have with that excellent theoryof yours NoReins is this...
If Jack indeed puts Ennis hand back on his erection, then why does Enis wait until jack starts to take his coat off with saying whaddyadoin' ? It makes more sense for him to have said it with his hand on Jacks c*ck...??
Maybe he was asking Jack why he moved his hand off his c*ck? :8 :s)
That's the best interpretation I've heard yet! :t)
Or maybe he thought they were just going to "jack " each other off (sorry so graphic) but his removing his coat meant other things to come, (no pun intended).
Yeah, I think Ennis suddenly panicked that Jack might want to be on top. He starts to struggle with Jack again there,not so much to push him off,I think, but to try and keep Jack under control ;) Then Jack reassures him by telling him exactly what he wants (I am loving my new TV with a headphone socket!! :d) ;D), and Ennis is happy to oblige ;) :8
Yeah, I think Ennis suddenly panicked that Jack might want to be on top. He starts to struggle with Jack again there,not so much to push him off,I think, but to try and keep Jack under control ;) Then Jack reassures him by telling him exactly what he wants (I am loving my new TV with a headphone socket!! :d) ;D), and Ennis is happy to oblige ;) :8
Yeah, I think Ennis suddenly panicked that Jack might want to be on top. He starts to struggle with Jack again there,not so much to push him off,I think, but to try and keep Jack under control ;) Then Jack reassures him by telling him exactly what he wants (I am loving my new TV with a headphone socket!! :d) ;D), and Ennis is happy to oblige ;) :8
Yeah, Ennis had to take charge, rein Jack in. Jack was in such a state; had that wild look of passion in his eyes. Ripped that belt buckle open in .08 seconds. I wonder if Jake had to practice the one handed belt buckle opening? LOL, I would have liked to have been his teacher. :d) The FNIT is just raw passion; Jack, IMO, was willing to give or get anything Ennis was up for. :d) Ennis, by the looks of things, was sure up for the whole 9 yards (or was it 10?). :8
Yeah, I think Ennis suddenly panicked that Jack might want to be on top. He starts to struggle with Jack again there,not so much to push him off,I think, but to try and keep Jack under control ;) Then Jack reassures him by telling him exactly what he wants (I am loving my new TV with a headphone socket!! :d) ;D), and Ennis is happy to oblige ;) :8
Yeah, Ennis had to take charge, rein Jack in. Jack was in such a state; had that wild look of passion in his eyes. Ripped that belt buckle open in .08 seconds. I wonder if Jake had to practice the one handed belt buckle opening? LOL, I would have liked to have been his teacher. :d) The FNIT is just raw passion; Jack, IMO, was willing to give or get anything Ennis was up for. :d) Ennis, by the looks of things, was sure up for the whole 9 yards (or was it 10?). :8
ROFL stacp, you really crack me up sometimes :8 I would've loved to be his teacher too, but he'd have to be a fast learner,once he'd opened that belt I wouldn't be able to let him do it up to practise again :8
Ladies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers. Jack was not exactly a virgin in the butt end department I think. He knew what he wanted and lead Ennis down the road. Ennis was a virgin, but one with some sense of what he wanted and needed. As Annie wrote it, "no instruction manual needed."
Ladies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers. Jack was not exactly a virgin in the butt end department I think. He knew what he wanted and lead Ennis down the road. Ennis was a virgin, but one with some sense of what he wanted and needed. As Annie wrote it, "no instruction manual needed."
Well said 8)
Ladies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers. Jack was not exactly a virgin in the butt end department I think. He knew what he wanted and lead Ennis down the road. Ennis was a virgin, but one with some sense of what he wanted and needed. As Annie wrote it, "no instruction manual needed."
Well said 8)
Sorry :-[ Didn't mean to upset anyone,it was just a bit of banter, but I apologise if I've offended anyone :-[
Ladies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers. Jack was not exactly a virgin in the butt end department I think. He knew what he wanted and lead Ennis down the road. Ennis was a virgin, but one with some sense of what he wanted and needed. As Annie wrote it, "no instruction manual needed."
Ladies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers.
Ladies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers.
BBBoy, I can assure you that none of the girls here will toss Jake aside after using him!!! ;D
Sorry, OT. couldn't help it.
Ladies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers. Jack was not exactly a virgin in the butt end department I think. He knew what he wanted and lead Ennis down the road. Ennis was a virgin, but one with some sense of what he wanted and needed. As Annie wrote it, "no instruction manual needed."
Well said 8)
Sorry :-[ Didn't mean to upset anyone,it was just a bit of banter, but I apologise if I've offended anyone :-[
That's ok then, sorry I misunderstood you :-[ But can I just say, I wouldn't "toss Jake aside" after using him, I'd use him again and again and again ;) ;DLadies, I am shocked at the direction of this discussion. Tut, tut, tut. We men are not slabs of meat to be used and tossed aside like yesterdays lunch wrappers. Jack was not exactly a virgin in the butt end department I think. He knew what he wanted and lead Ennis down the road. Ennis was a virgin, but one with some sense of what he wanted and needed. As Annie wrote it, "no instruction manual needed."
Well said 8)
Sorry :-[ Didn't mean to upset anyone,it was just a bit of banter, but I apologise if I've offended anyone :-[
Honey, I was just pullin your leg. You didn't offend one bit. I am sorry if I offended.
That's ok then, sorry I misunderstood you :-[ But can I just say, I wouldn't "toss Jake aside" after using him, I'd use him again and again and again ;) ;D
Back on topic, I agree that Jack had experience in that department,if Ennis had needed an instruction manual, Jack probably could have written it! ;) :8 :-[
As someone pointed out either here or in another thread...you don't actually see Heath's lips moving when he says "What're you doin'"Hm..I see jack moving his left hand down towards his crotch/ leg where Ennis right hand is... then stare at him... the onlytrouble I have with that excellent theoryof yours NoReins is this...
If Jack indeed puts Ennis hand back on his erection, then why does Enis wait until jack starts to take his coat off with saying whaddyadoin' ? It makes more sense for him to have said it with his hand on Jacks c*ck...??
Maybe he was asking Jack why he moved his hand off his c*ck? :8 :s)
That's the best interpretation I've heard yet! :t)
Do we really ever see Ennis' lips moving?
I don't think ANg would send a film out where a sound was put wrong tho :)
Do we really ever see Ennis' lips moving?
I don't think ANg would send a film out where a sound was put wrong tho :)
I have watched that scene again and again and again (strictly for scientific research), and after these viewings, I don't see Ennis' lips move when he says "whatyadoin'?" Of course, Ennis is Mr. Mumbles, so his lips could've moved slightly, but I don't see it. Maybe Aguirre was hiding outside the tent and said "whatyadoin'?" when Ennis pushed Jack away. ;)
Do we really ever see Ennis' lips moving?
I don't think ANg would send a film out where a sound was put wrong tho :)
I have watched that scene again and again and again (strictly for scientific research), and after these viewings, I don't see Ennis' lips move when he says "whatyadoin'?" Of course, Ennis is Mr. Mumbles, so his lips could've moved slightly, but I don't see it. Maybe Aguirre was hiding outside the tent and said "whatyadoin'?" when Ennis pushed Jack away. ;)
EEEWWWWW!! I donn't even want the thought that Aguirre (the lech) would be near the tent. OT, I know but if he felt so strongly about "queers" that he would not hire Jack again why did he watch them for 10 minutes that day? Althought I love to watch them wrestling!
Do we really ever see Ennis' lips moving?
I don't think ANg would send a film out where a sound was put wrong tho :)
I have watched that scene again and again and again (strictly for scientific research), and after these viewings, I don't see Ennis' lips move when he says "whatyadoin'?" Of course, Ennis is Mr. Mumbles, so his lips could've moved slightly, but I don't see it. Maybe Aguirre was hiding outside the tent and said "whatyadoin'?" when Ennis pushed Jack away. ;)
EEEWWWWW!! I donn't even want the thought that Aguirre (the lech) would be near the tent. OT, I know but if he felt so strongly about "queers" that he would not hire Jack again why did he watch them for 10 minutes that day? Althought I love to watch them wrestling!
I got the (creepy) feeling Aguirre secretly enjoyed watching Ennis and Jack go at it like two rabbits (can't say as I blame him). Probably got his rocks off. Yuck, indeed! Hell, I'd set up a lawn chair and a six pack of diet coke and be in for the long haul if Jack and Ennis were rocking the tent every day like they did FNIT. That's one show I wouldn't miss. :d)
This is FNIT discussion thread, huh? ::)
May I suggest we go back to the scheduled programm plize? ;)
Darn it!! Like and idiot I asked for the widescreen version... but I have seen so many pics and heard so many comments about the fullscreen version... I wish I had known all this before I got my copy... :-[
Good point... to tell the truth I was sorta holding out... waiting to see if the people at Focus were gonna get a clue soon and release a Deluxe Director's cut or something equally as wonderful... but I may have to break down and get a fullscreen copy now... and then another when the Deluxe Edition is FINALLY released... :-\\
*sigh* The things I will do for these guys! ::)
Ok... just ordered it from Amazon.com! Will have it in my hot little hands and be feasting my eyes on it on Tuesday! &**)
Can't wait to see FNIT in fullscreen... from what I have heard it's even more amazing! :d)
Ok... just ordered it from Amazon.com! Will have it in my hot little hands and be feasting my eyes on it on Tuesday! &**)
Can't wait to see FNIT in fullscreen... from what I have heard it's even more amazing! :d)
You see more of Jack's left hand cradling Ennis' head in SNIT.
FNIT you definitely see more of Jake's butt and his thigh ! :`)
More of the hand grabbing in the throws of their action !
Uhhhh. I need some ice water ! :P
I love FNIT, but the part that makes me kind of laugh every time , is when
Ennis' head goes kathunk on Jack's backside when he finished.
I just can't help it. The boy was spent ! :8
Ennis, by the looks of things, was sure up for the whole 9 yards (or was it 10?). :8
I love FNIT, but the part that makes me kind of laugh every time , is when
Ennis' head goes kathunk on Jack's backside when he finished.
I just can't help it. The boy was spent ! :8
I love FNIT, but the part that makes me kind of laugh every time , is when
Ennis' head goes kathunk on Jack's backside when he finished.
I just can't help it. The boy was spent ! :8
I hadn't noticed that until recently... and I love the word kathunk...or is it katchunk?
I love FNIT, but the part that makes me kind of laugh every time , is when
Ennis' head goes kathunk on Jack's backside when he finished.
I just can't help it. The boy was spent ! :8
I hadn't noticed that until recently... and I love the word kathunk...or is it katchunk?
I noticed it as soon as I got headphones. I just love the sound of his head hitting Jack's
back after he orgasims. ;D
Of course, you realize, I must not have enough to do that I sit around replaying these
scenes over, and over, and over..............
Ennis, by the looks of things, was sure up for the whole 9 yards (or was it 10?). :8
Just a minor correction stacp. I believe you are confusing yards and inches. ;)
Ok... just ordered it from Amazon.com! Will have it in my hot little hands and be feasting my eyes on it on Tuesday! &**)
Can't wait to see FNIT in fullscreen... from what I have heard it's even more amazing! :d)
You see more of Jack's left hand cradling Ennis' head in SNIT.
FNIT you definitely see more of Jake's butt and his thigh ! :`)
More of the hand grabbing in the throws of their action !
Uhhhh. I need some ice water ! :P
I love FNIT, but the part that makes me kind of laugh every time , is when
Ennis' head goes kathunk on Jack's backside when he finished.
I just can't help it. The boy was spent ! :8
Ok... just ordered it from Amazon.com! Will have it in my hot little hands and be feasting my eyes on it on Tuesday! &**)
Can't wait to see FNIT in fullscreen... from what I have heard it's even more amazing! :d)
You see more of Jack's left hand cradling Ennis' head in SNIT.
FNIT you definitely see more of Jake's butt and his thigh ! :`)
More of the hand grabbing in the throws of their action !
Uhhhh. I need some ice water ! :P
I love FNIT, but the part that makes me kind of laugh every time , is when
Ennis' head goes kathunk on Jack's backside when he finished.
I just can't help it. The boy was spent ! :8
Crap, I don't think I have the full screen version! I just checked my copies. You mean I've been missing some more of Jake's butt all this time and I didn't know it? I can't get enough of FNIT. I love how both the boys seem to collapse at the same time . . . Ennis' head on Jack's back and Jack seems to almost put his head between his legs, like he can't breathe! I'd say mission accomplished indeed! :d)
Too bad that scene only lasted 27 seconds!
I find it to be ...uuhhhhhh....... horny as hell! (^)
Well unlike Jack, at least we can get it again...and again..and again....
Well unlike Jack, at least we can get it again...and again..and again....
I am pretty sure that Jack got "it" over and over again all summer long! *sigh*
I think it sounds like the same voice that says it's alright, and it makes more sense for Jack to say it... we have discussed this beofre, but just to recap.
Jack says I'm sorry *I am going to take this slow, I didn't mean to scare you, but* it's alrigh, it's alright.
And it looks like Jacks lips move... But others disagree :)
(And one of the positives about living on your own Antamburo is htat I don't have to worry about anyone knowing how often I see it or mute the sound ;) )
I always thought that Ennis was the one saying he was sorry as well... I figured he was apologizing for riding away without saying anything that morning. He had to have seen how hurt Jack was... that's the impression I got. :-\\
I always thought that Ennis was the one saying he was sorry as well... I figured he was apologizing for riding away without saying anything that morning. He had to have seen how hurt Jack was... that's the impression I got. :-\\
I'm keeping out of this one. I know what I heard but I ain't sayin' a word.
ROTFLMAO. :8
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
I just thought it was the wind that was making the tent move---this shot was after the boys had collapsed after thier tyrst
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
I just thought it was the wind that was making the tent move---this shot was after the boys had collapsed after thier tyrst
I could have sworn I saw some actual shaking, like it was coming from within. They were still collapsing and shaking somewhat when the scene cut out. But it could've been the wind, too.
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
I just thought it was the wind that was making the tent move---this shot was after the boys had collapsed after thier tyrst
I could have sworn I saw some actual shaking, like it was coming from within. They were still collapsing and shaking somewhat when the scene cut out. But it could've been the wind, too.
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
I just thought it was the wind that was making the tent move---this shot was after the boys had collapsed.
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
I just thought it was the wind that was making the tent move---this shot was after the boys had collapsed after thier tyrst
I could have sworn I saw some actual shaking, like it was coming from within. They were still collapsing and shaking somewhat when the scene cut out. But it could've been the wind, too.
I don't notice any of the plants or trees moving, so I don't think it was the wind, but then it's hard to tell cause you can't pause it to check ::) Anyway, I prefer to think it was the boys, still shaking from the experience ;) :8 If it was me, I'd still be shaking the next morning! ;D Or maybe it was Jack putting his jacket back on ??? ;)
Speaking of Jack putting his jacket back on, what's up with that? If he was cold, he should have just snuggled up to Ennis a little more. ;) I guess Ennis wasn't ready for that yet, but Ennis sure did pass out drunk after that 27 seconds.
Speaking of Jack putting his jacket back on, what's up with that? If he was cold, he should have just snuggled up to Ennis a little more. ;) I guess Ennis wasn't ready for that yet, but Ennis sure did pass out drunk after that 27 seconds.
It's strange how Jack puts his jacket back on, but Ennis doesn't even pull his jeans back up ??? Maybe, like you say, he just passed out, or maybe he was hoping Jack's hands would start wandering again, once he'd got his breath back! :8
Speaking of Jack putting his jacket back on, what's up with that? If he was cold, he should have just snuggled up to Ennis a little more. ;) I guess Ennis wasn't ready for that yet, but Ennis sure did pass out drunk after that 27 seconds.
It's strange how Jack puts his jacket back on, but Ennis doesn't even pull his jeans back up ??? Maybe, like you say, he just passed out, or maybe he was hoping Jack's hands would start wandering again, once he'd got his breath back! :8
Hell, Ennis didn't even take his jacket off before he went at it !!! Jack took his coat off !!! :8
I always thought that was strange !!! How rude of Ennis ! :) He wasn't thinking straight ! 8)
Now that I think about it.... why did Jack take his jacket completely off?
Did he expect some kissing and cuddling first.
I mean..... I would at least want the other party to take his jacket off before he pounded me
into next week ! ;)
Now that I think about it.... why did Jack take his jacket completely off?
Did he expect some kissing and cuddling first.
I mean..... I would at least want the other party to take his jacket off before he pounded me
into next week ! ;)
Maybe they tried it with the jacket on in some of the takes and it was too long and kept getting in the way? Besides it would have covered our little peek at Jack's ass. Now that is perfection.
Now that I think about it.... why did Jack take his jacket completely off?
Did he expect some kissing and cuddling first.
I mean..... I would at least want the other party to take his jacket off before he pounded me
into next week ! ;)
Maybe they tried it with the jacket on in some of the takes and it was too long and kept getting in the way? Besides it would have covered our little peek at Jack's ass. Now that is perfection.
You are right !! We wouldn't have gotten that quick peek at that nice ass. You get a better
look with the FS version too !
Now that I think about it.... why did Jack take his jacket completely off?
Did he expect some kissing and cuddling first.
I mean..... I would at least want the other party to take his jacket off before he pounded me
into next week ! ;)
Now that I think about it.... why did Jack take his jacket completely off?
Did he expect some kissing and cuddling first.
I mean..... I would at least want the other party to take his jacket off before he pounded me
into next week ! ;)
Maybe they tried it with the jacket on in some of the takes and it was too long and kept getting in the way? Besides it would have covered our little peek at Jack's ass. Now that is perfection.
You are right !! We wouldn't have gotten that quick peek at that nice ass. You get a better
look with the FS version too !
That 2 second peak at Jack's ass was real nice. Ennis ripped Jack's pants like a wild man. Speaking of Ennis, did anyone notice (and I'll attempt to say this as delicately as possible), how, after Ennis first unzips, he thrusts into Jack, then repositions himself, spits and tries again (to success)? I'm thinking, did we have a first attempt here before the second time was a success? LOL, Ennis was like in a hurry . . . (^)
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
I just thought it was the wind that was making the tent move---this shot was after the boys had collapsed after thier tyrst
I could have sworn I saw some actual shaking, like it was coming from within. They were still collapsing and shaking somewhat when the scene cut out. But it could've been the wind, too.
I don't notice any of the plants or trees moving, so I don't think it was the wind, but then it's hard to tell cause you can't pause it to check ::) Anyway, I prefer to think it was the boys, still shaking from the experience ;) :8 If it was me, I'd still be shaking the next morning! ;D Or maybe it was Jack putting his jacket back on ??? ;)
Speaking of Jack putting his jacket back on, what's up with that? If he was cold, he should have just snuggled up to Ennis a little more. ;) I guess Ennis wasn't ready for that yet, but Ennis sure did pass out drunk after that 27 seconds.
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that the tent is shaking in the shot outside right after FNIT. I somehow never noticed that before--but it greatly added to my enjoyment of this scene. I love the idea that the very landscape itself is somehow a witness to this passionate encounter. ;)
I just thought it was the wind that was making the tent move---this shot was after the boys had collapsed after thier tyrst
I could have sworn I saw some actual shaking, like it was coming from within. They were still collapsing and shaking somewhat when the scene cut out. But it could've been the wind, too.
I don't notice any of the plants or trees moving, so I don't think it was the wind, but then it's hard to tell cause you can't pause it to check ::) Anyway, I prefer to think it was the boys, still shaking from the experience ;) :8 If it was me, I'd still be shaking the next morning! ;D Or maybe it was Jack putting his jacket back on ??? ;)
Speaking of Jack putting his jacket back on, what's up with that? If he was cold, he should have just snuggled up to Ennis a little more. ;) I guess Ennis wasn't ready for that yet, but Ennis sure did pass out drunk after that 27 seconds.
Was it my imagination????????? I figured that when Jack grabs Ennis hand after Ennis finishes, it appeared tp me like Jack was pulling him closer and was that hand was going to finish Jack off...hence the continued shaking of the tent. I never looked at it as if Ennis was passing out, but Jack forcing him to him.
Hell, Ennis didn't even take his jacket off before he went at it !!! Jack took his coat off !!! :8
I always thought that was strange !!! How rude of Ennis ! :) He wasn't thinking straight ! 8)
Yes, I saw that "reach around," too. Jack did pull Ennis' hand closer to his crotch. Jack could have very well had Ennis finish the job for him. I think in the short story, Annie writes that after Ennis was through (and she could've meant with everything he had to do), he passed out and woke up the next morning with his pants down.
Yes, I saw that "reach around," too. Jack did pull Ennis' hand closer to his crotch. Jack could have very well had Ennis finish the job for him. I think in the short story, Annie writes that after Ennis was through (and she could've meant with everything he had to do), he passed out and woke up the next morning with his pants down.
No, in the short story it was "out, down and asleep" - not a chance for a handjob. However, you girls have quite a fertile imagination... I kinda like it ;) 8)
Yes, I saw that "reach around," too. Jack did pull Ennis' hand closer to his crotch. Jack could have very well had Ennis finish the job for him. I think in the short story, Annie writes that after Ennis was through (and she could've meant with everything he had to do), he passed out and woke up the next morning with his pants down.
No, in the short story it was "out, down and asleep" - not a chance for a handjob. However, you girls have quite a fertile imagination... I kinda like it ;) 8)
So, Jack's gun went off just from Ennis' velocity. Even better! Thanks, Keren. ;)
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
Good question! A 19 year old boy......? probably.....
Hmmmmm
Yes, it IS possible ;D
see, that's one of the reasons why I love this place. it's so educational. I learn new things all the time. :t)
Even if it wasnt in the story, I think Jake was improvising with the pull around!!! Sexy, Sexy, Sexy!!!!!!!!! Just like the naughty things he was saying... ;)
And me - i couldn't imagine it any other way, it had to be fast and furious - it's really needy sex, Ennis taking Jack as quickly as he can, and Jack needing to be took - very erotic!! :d)Even if it wasnt in the story, I think Jake was improvising with the pull around!!! Sexy, Sexy, Sexy!!!!!!!!! Just like the naughty things he was saying... ;)
Yep, and that was take 7 of 13 takes !
I think they improvised a lot in that scene.
Ang Lee mentioned Jake's pounding as being improvisation.
Worked for me ! ;D
And me - i couldn't imagine it any other way, it had to be fast and furious - it's really needy sex, Ennis taking Jack as quickly as he can, and Jack needing to be took - very erotic!! :d)Even if it wasnt in the story, I think Jake was improvising with the pull around!!! Sexy, Sexy, Sexy!!!!!!!!! Just like the naughty things he was saying... ;)
Yep, and that was take 7 of 13 takes !
I think they improvised a lot in that scene.
Ang Lee mentioned Jake's pounding as being improvisation.
Worked for me ! ;D
Know how you feel. What struck me most about the sex first time i watched it is like you say, the runaway train aspect of it. They weren't observing any social pleasantries or politeness before they plunged in, it was a 'i need you now' attitude, initiated by Jack, to which Ennis quickly took the hint. It blew me away. I knew something was going to happen, i expected more of a struggle from Ennis i guess, but once things got going i couldn't think anything else but 'this is SO right'. :`)And me - i couldn't imagine it any other way, it had to be fast and furious - it's really needy sex, Ennis taking Jack as quickly as he can, and Jack needing to be took - very erotic!! :d)Even if it wasnt in the story, I think Jake was improvising with the pull around!!! Sexy, Sexy, Sexy!!!!!!!!! Just like the naughty things he was saying... ;)
Yep, and that was take 7 of 13 takes !
I think they improvised a lot in that scene.
Ang Lee mentioned Jake's pounding as being improvisation.
Worked for me ! ;D
Aimi, I like the way you described this. It was a hungry sex. I think before, they both thought about it, but Ennis especially never imagined it would really happen. So when the opportunity presented itself, it was pure sexual desire and lust that would be denied no longer. A runaway train. Those touches Heath and Jake put in---the forehead touching, the pounding, the "f*ck me," and the reach around are just perfect. Whew, I'm getting all flustered talking about it! :d)
Know how you feel. What struck me most about the sex first time i watched it is like you say, the runaway train aspect of it. They weren't observing any social pleasantries or politeness before they plunged in, it was a 'i need you now' attitude, initiated by Jack, to which Ennis quickly took the hint. It blew me away. I knew something was going to happen, i expected more of a struggle from Ennis i guess, but once things got going i couldn't think anything else but 'this is SO right'. :`)And me - i couldn't imagine it any other way, it had to be fast and furious - it's really needy sex, Ennis taking Jack as quickly as he can, and Jack needing to be took - very erotic!! :d)Even if it wasnt in the story, I think Jake was improvising with the pull around!!! Sexy, Sexy, Sexy!!!!!!!!! Just like the naughty things he was saying... ;)
Yep, and that was take 7 of 13 takes !
I think they improvised a lot in that scene.
Ang Lee mentioned Jake's pounding as being improvisation.
Worked for me ! ;D
Aimi, I like the way you described this. It was a hungry sex. I think before, they both thought about it, but Ennis especially never imagined it would really happen. So when the opportunity presented itself, it was pure sexual desire and lust that would be denied no longer. A runaway train. Those touches Heath and Jake put in---the forehead touching, the pounding, the "f*ck me," and the reach around are just perfect. Whew, I'm getting all flustered talking about it! :d)
I agree. The little looks Ennis gives Jack leading up to FNIT, when Jack's showing off on the horse, on the side of the mountain etc, Ennis seems SO captivated by him - maybe because he's a lot of things Ennis isn't, more open, extroverted, and yet genuinely seems to want to get to know Ennis and get him to open up, it must have built him up, suddenly having this interest shown in him. The fires were definitely well stoked by the time FNIT came around, Ennis just needed that come on from Jack, and when he got it - no holding back, and good news for us - cos that scene is HOT! :d)Know how you feel. What struck me most about the sex first time i watched it is like you say, the runaway train aspect of it. They weren't observing any social pleasantries or politeness before they plunged in, it was a 'i need you now' attitude, initiated by Jack, to which Ennis quickly took the hint. It blew me away. I knew something was going to happen, i expected more of a struggle from Ennis i guess, but once things got going i couldn't think anything else but 'this is SO right'. :`)And me - i couldn't imagine it any other way, it had to be fast and furious - it's really needy sex, Ennis taking Jack as quickly as he can, and Jack needing to be took - very erotic!! :d)Even if it wasnt in the story, I think Jake was improvising with the pull around!!! Sexy, Sexy, Sexy!!!!!!!!! Just like the naughty things he was saying... ;)
Yep, and that was take 7 of 13 takes !
I think they improvised a lot in that scene.
Ang Lee mentioned Jake's pounding as being improvisation.
Worked for me ! ;D
Aimi, I like the way you described this. It was a hungry sex. I think before, they both thought about it, but Ennis especially never imagined it would really happen. So when the opportunity presented itself, it was pure sexual desire and lust that would be denied no longer. A runaway train. Those touches Heath and Jake put in---the forehead touching, the pounding, the "f*ck me," and the reach around are just perfect. Whew, I'm getting all flustered talking about it! :d)
So true. I think Ennis tried to fend it off, but his sexual desires took over, similar to the Reunion kiss. To me, it shows Ennis was so turned on and attracted to Jack prior to FNIT. My husband, who FINALLY watched BBM with me the other night questioned why Ennis just didn't go in the tent to sleep when he first decided to stay. I gave him the "duh" look (God bless him, it took him a while to build up to seeing the movie, so I couldn't be too harsh). Because Ennis was hot for Jack and didn't want to get too close for fear of letting go of his sexual desires---at least that's what I thought!
Sorry I know it's O/T, but I've been Jacked!!!!!! Does this mean I can join Jack and Ennis in the tent? >:D
I agree. The little looks Ennis gives Jack leading up to FNIT, when Jack's showing off on the horse, on the side of the mountain etc, Ennis seems SO captivated by him - maybe because he's a lot of things Ennis isn't, more open, extroverted, and yet genuinely seems to want to get to know Ennis and get him to open up, it must have built him up, suddenly having this interest shown in him. The fires were definitely well stoked by the time FNIT came around, Ennis just needed that come on from Jack, and when he got it - no holding back, and good news for us - cos that scene is HOT! :d)
So true. I think Ennis tried to fend it off, but his sexual desires took over, similar to the Reunion kiss. To me, it shows Ennis was so turned on and attracted to Jack prior to FNIT. My husband, who FINALLY watched BBM with me the other night questioned why Ennis just didn't go in the tent to sleep when he first decided to stay. I gave him the "duh" look (God bless him, it took him a while to build up to seeing the movie, so I couldn't be too harsh). Because Ennis was hot for Jack and didn't want to get too close for fear of letting go of his sexual desires---at least that's what I thought!
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
We'll talk private like sometime. ;) The answer is yes! In a heart beat!
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
Yes, we CAN!!
;D ;D ;D
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
Yes, we CAN!!
;D ;D ;D
Well, I guess Jack didn't need anything more to make his gun go off that night then ! ;)
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
We'll talk private like sometime. ;) The answer is yes! In a heart beat!
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
We'll talk private like sometime. ;) The answer is yes! In a heart beat!
I want the "talk" too. I know this is OT but very interesting.....
Mayby OT , mayby rude I dunnjo...but can boys come with no...extra ...help???
We'll talk private like sometime. ;) The answer is yes! In a heart beat!
I want the "talk" too. I know this is OT but very interesting.....
Still OT, but I think there are maybe some, uh, explanations in a fanfic like Somebody New.....something to do with hitting a particular spot inside? ^-^
But no-one has noticed yet! &**)Well, let's bring it back... Well, it looks like Jack got what he was after that night and in all probabilityy ready to go off quick. It was clear he was having a good time--- i didn't hear him tell Ennis no, or stop. Like the short story I think Jack was down and out after Ennis emptied himself. Ennis put the blocks to Jack good. And since Jack didn't hardly never get it, he was a hair trigger.
Hmmmmmmm...why has this become my fave thread? Naughty Little Brokies and GYLLENHAALICS!!
This has probably been mentioned before, but I only noticed last night, how when Jack grabs Ennis's hand, just before Ennis wakes up, he moves his head slightly closer to Jack's, and his eyes kind of start to open just a tiny bit, then they close properly again,just for a second, and then he wakes up and jumps away.I'm guessing he was enjoying the moment while he was still asleep, which is properly why he was so ready to go when things started happening! ;) :8 Sorry , I know this has most likely been talked about before, but I'm usually concentrating on Jack in that bit, so I never noticed Ennis's reaction before :-[
This has probably been mentioned before, but I only noticed last night, how when Jack grabs Ennis's hand, just before Ennis wakes up, he moves his head slightly closer to Jack's, and his eyes kind of start to open just a tiny bit, then they close properly again,just for a second, and then he wakes up and jumps away.I'm guessing he was enjoying the moment while he was still asleep, which is properly why he was so ready to go when things started happening! ;) :8 Sorry , I know this has most likely been talked about before, but I'm usually concentrating on Jack in that bit, so I never noticed Ennis's reaction before :-[
I had exactly the same thought! In fact, before I started reading this thread, I always concentrated on Ennis's face in this scene, trying to see how/if he was reacting before he was fully awake. I'm positive he was aroused and enjoying himself in some kind of sleepy, distant way--until he realized that he wasn't "supposed to" be doing that. Perhaps Jack too could feel evidence of Ennis's arousal pressing into his back, and was further encouraged by that . . . .
This has probably been mentioned before, but I only noticed last night, how when Jack grabs Ennis's hand, just before Ennis wakes up, he moves his head slightly closer to Jack's, and his eyes kind of start to open just a tiny bit, then they close properly again,just for a second, and then he wakes up and jumps away.I'm guessing he was enjoying the moment while he was still asleep, which is properly why he was so ready to go when things started happening! ;) :8 Sorry , I know this has most likely been talked about before, but I'm usually concentrating on Jack in that bit, so I never noticed Ennis's reaction before :-[
I had exactly the same thought! In fact, before I started reading this thread, I always concentrated on Ennis's face in this scene, trying to see how/if he was reacting before he was fully awake. I'm positive he was aroused and enjoying himself in some kind of sleepy, distant way--until he realized that he wasn't "supposed to" be doing that. Perhaps Jack too could feel evidence of Ennis's arousal pressing into his back, and was further encouraged by that . . . .
So true. I think Ennis tried to fend it off, but his sexual desires took over, similar to the Reunion kiss. To me, it shows Ennis was so turned on and attracted to Jack prior to FNIT. My husband, who FINALLY watched BBM with me the other night questioned why Ennis just didn't go in the tent to sleep when he first decided to stay. I gave him the "duh" look (God bless him, it took him a while to build up to seeing the movie, so I couldn't be too harsh). Because Ennis was hot for Jack and didn't want to get too close for fear of letting go of his sexual desires---at least that's what I thought!Quote
I read the short story, the screenplay and saw the movie...
And that was my first thougt when I saw this scene. In the SS, both Jack and Ennis stayed in the tent the first night. Ennis was the camp tender before Jack and stayed in the tent while Jack was sleeping wtih the sheep. But, after getting to know Jack, Ennis wouldn't sleep in the tent, even though he was drunnk and it was very cold becuase he was afraid of what he might do. Jack was aware of Ennis attraction to him (because he felt the same for Ennis) and when he and Ennis were in the tent togehter he made his move. It didn't take much effort on Jack's part for Ennis to respond. SIGH
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Those guys knew what the hell they wanted, and they went right for it!! FInally !!
Much to my relief. I was ready to march up that Mountain and tell them boys to quit
messing around , get on in that tent and make some sparks fly !
They did ! ;D ;DQuote
To Funny... I can just about imagine the looks on their faces (Ennis's in particular) if someone had done that... :8
He would have said..."now go on and get on outta here little darlin, and bring us back some more whiskey, then we'll talk".Quote
Those guys knew what the hell they wanted, and they went right for it!! FInally !!
Much to my relief. I was ready to march up that Mountain and tell them boys to quit
messing around , get on in that tent and make some sparks fly !
They did ! ;D ;DQuote
To Funny... I can just about imagine the looks on their faces (Ennis's in particular) if someone had done that... :8
Yeah, he probably would have said "whut", then "you know I'm not queer" then punched my
lights out !!!
Well, either that, or prove to you he 'ain't no queer' ;)Quote
Those guys knew what the hell they wanted, and they went right for it!! FInally !!
Much to my relief. I was ready to march up that Mountain and tell them boys to quit
messing around , get on in that tent and make some sparks fly !
They did ! ;D ;DQuote
To Funny... I can just about imagine the looks on their faces (Ennis's in particular) if someone had done that... :8
Yeah, he probably would have said "whut", then "you know I'm not queer" then punched my
lights out !!!
Well, either that, or prove to you he 'ain't no queer' ;)Quote
Those guys knew what the hell they wanted, and they went right for it!! FInally !!
Much to my relief. I was ready to march up that Mountain and tell them boys to quit
messing around , get on in that tent and make some sparks fly !
They did ! ;D ;DQuote
To Funny... I can just about imagine the looks on their faces (Ennis's in particular) if someone had done that... :8
Yeah, he probably would have said "whut", then "you know I'm not queer" then punched my
lights out !!!
This is the most erotic thing I've ever seen. Starting from when Jack takes Ennis's hand and places it on himself, giving Ennis his ( " oppotunity")? Ennis jumps up when he realizes what's going on . But Jack,so determined,so understanding. At this point he knows Ennins is interested so he takes a chance and goes for it. His insistance to make Ennis let go and express his feelings as he was expressing his is to be admired.Ennis is spooked at first, but when he looks deep into those gorgeous blue eyes he is completly taken .Jack is saying: It's ok Ennis ,I know how you feel ,cause I feel it too. Love to watch this in slow mo,When Jack takes off his coat ( By the way I love that coat on Jack he wears it well),the screen really comes alive . Ennis seemes to be caught between going with it and not, butJack refuing to take no for answer convinces Ennis to finally let go. shit, that's hard.
Hell, Jack was so good Ennis tried to pretend his own wife was Jack.
This has probably been mentioned before, but I only noticed last night, how when Jack grabs Ennis's hand, just before Ennis wakes up, he moves his head slightly closer to Jack's, and his eyes kind of start to open just a tiny bit, then they close properly again,just for a second, and then he wakes up and jumps away.I'm guessing he was enjoying the moment while he was still asleep, which is properly why he was so ready to go when things started happening! ;) :8 Sorry , I know this has most likely been talked about before, but I'm usually concentrating on Jack in that bit, so I never noticed Ennis's reaction before :-[
I had exactly the same thought! In fact, before I started reading this thread, I always concentrated on Ennis's face in this scene, trying to see how/if he was reacting before he was fully awake. I'm positive he was aroused and enjoying himself in some kind of sleepy, distant way--until he realized that he wasn't "supposed to" be doing that. Perhaps Jack too could feel evidence of Ennis's arousal pressing into his back, and was further encouraged by that . . . .
Ya think? I love the little groans Jack makes right before Ennis startles awake. MMMMM.....
..Hell, Jack was so good Ennis tried to pretend his own wife was Jack.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Once you go Jack, you never go back. :d)
If someone is sleeping that close to you then they get up or sit up as Ennis did would'nt that disturb your sleep too? His ass is out.
If someone is sleeping that close to you then they get up or sit up as Ennis did would'nt that disturb your sleep too? His ass is out.
Yes but such a satisftied I was just f**ked sleep.
I would have loved the next morning scene to have shown Jack 'butted up against Ennis' like in the short story. That would have said it all. Would have left no doubt that Jack got what he was after and all Ennis's.Oh!! yes I'd liked it 2!!
Still think he should have made him breakfst though. He earned it!
Has someone else speculated about why Ennis's clothing is still undone (love that shot of him pulling up his pants!), but Jack has his coat on again when they wake up? Makes me think that maybe Jack woke up again after they were finished and got a few moments to savor what they had just done while Ennis slept beside him . . . ;)
Has someone else speculated about why Ennis's clothing is still undone (love that shot of him pulling up his pants!), but Jack has his coat on again when they wake up? Makes me think that maybe Jack woke up again after they were finished and got a few moments to savor what they had just done while Ennis slept beside him . . . ;)
Well, the short story says "out, down and asleep" right after Jack's choked "gun's goin' off".....but obviously Jack did wake up again and put his coat back on (and presumably pull his jeans back up too) Remember too that Ennis was sound asleep when Jack took his hand to start with - and he was pretty groggy throughout the whole encounter - so it's not that surprising that he crashed out again straight afterwards, is it?
Like you, though, I love that shot of him pulling his jeans up, right after he's looked at Jack with a kind of puzzled expression on his face like "what did we do last night?" before the memories come back....
I read somewhere that A. Lee did about 17 takes of this scene. He's gotta know fans of this movie are salivating for more. I'm waiting for the Director's cut of this film. Is it a possibilty? It usally has alot lot of scenes that were previously cut.
Jack definily says f#$ck me in this scene. I heard it my own ears. O........M......G.!
3 or 4 times? are you kidding, i barely heard him say it once...that's hot...are the utterances spread out?
3 or 4 times? are you kidding, i barely heard him say it once...that's hot...are the utterances spread out?
I'm not kidding. I've heard it loud and clear.
3 or 4 times? are you kidding, i barely heard him say it once...that's hot...are the utterances spread out?
I'm not kidding. I've heard it loud and clear.
Yep, me too ;) I only used to hear it sometimes, but then I got a new telly, with a better sound system, and I hear it loud and clear everytime, when he unbuckles his belt, and then when he's on the floor :d)
I hear. 8)
(come here)
come on
come on - f*** me.
What are you doin'? (Ennis)
f*** me!
(pants down)
f***
-
f*** - f*** me
(entering)
oh, f*** me!
-
oh god!
-
f*** me.
I hear. 8)
(come here)
come on
come on - f*** me.
What are you doin'? (Ennis)
f*** me!
(pants down)
f***
-
f*** - f*** me
(entering)
oh, f*** me!
-
oh god!
-
f*** me.
I hear. 8)
(come here)
come on
come on - f*** me.
What are you doin'? (Ennis)
f*** me!
(pants down)
f***
-
f*** - f*** me
(entering)
oh, f*** me!
-
oh god!
-
f*** me.
I only hear the one. Jesus H. I want him to say that.....to me just once!!
If, as it appears from the screenplay, these are Jake's additions, it says a great deal about his understanding of the feelings involved in the situation.
May I say how truly impressed I am by the level of thoroughness and research included by this, the very best thread I have EVER read. **Gets choked up** After reading 17 PAGES, I must say Ang Lee, the consummate professional known and admired for his attention to the most minute detail -- would I'm certain be touched by how all of you embraced his work ethic, leaving no stone unturned in your pursuit of truth. **Wipes a tear** Even to the point of giving up organs, eardrums, etc....
This being my very first time reading this thread, and seeing some of the findings and evidence collected herein, I do make a solemn vow to of course run out and buy a FS edition ( I have WS :\'(), and supersonic earbuds post-haste in order to further advance the research started by my esteemed colleagues.
If I may add to this discussion....I thought Ennis had one of those sleep hard-ons (crude, sorry) that I hear men get and that might have "nudged" Jack awake. As for the reason why Jack takes his jacket off, I think he is deliberately giving Ennis time to either slug him or go for brokeback, as it were. Plus,the jacket toss looks like a little Jack Nasty striptease which of course leads up to the one handed belt move which has us all shaking in the nether regions. In contrast, my own research shows Ennis' less deliberate and kind of fumbling with his zipper is just so hot -- although he gets over the nerves right quick when he does that masterful bronco flip and peels Jack's jeans down. Umm...err...must do more research this very minute...maybe add more later......
headphones...good tip! is this the naughty little brokies thread???!!!Only with the headphones..you can hear it...volume on max...and enjoy...!!! #)
I only watched BBM 3 weeks ago -- and only joined here less than a week -- so you have all opened up a whole new world for me! Thank you, thank you oh Brokie Mountain Masters. I have much to learn.....must do more research........ ::)
May I say how truly impressed I am by the level of thoroughness and research included by this, the very best thread I have EVER read. **Gets choked up** After reading 17 PAGES, I must say Ang Lee, the consummate professional known and admired for his attention to the most minute detail -- would I'm certain be touched by how all of you embraced his work ethic, leaving no stone unturned in your pursuit of truth. **Wipes a tear** Even to the point of giving up organs, eardrums, etc....
This being my very first time reading this thread, and seeing some of the findings and evidence collected herein, I do make a solemn vow to of course run out and buy a FS edition ( I have WS :\'(), and supersonic earbuds post-haste in order to further advance the research started by my esteemed colleagues.
If I may add to this discussion....I thought Ennis had one of those sleep hard-ons (crude, sorry) that I hear men get and that might have "nudged" Jack awake. As for the reason why Jack takes his jacket off, I think he is deliberately giving Ennis time to either slug him or go for brokeback, as it were. Plus,the jacket toss looks like a little Jack Nasty striptease which of course leads up to the one handed belt move which has us all shaking in the nether regions. In contrast, my own research shows Ennis' less deliberate and kind of fumbling with his zipper is just so hot -- although he gets over the nerves right quick when he does that masterful bronco flip and peels Jack's jeans down. Umm...err...must do more research this very minute...maybe add more later......
Well heck...look who he was throwing down. Geez, can't get those jeans off fast enough.
Hmm, as part of my commitment to the Brokeback Research Institute I will have to pursue further investigation in order to come up with some conclusive evidence for the Ennis bronco flip vs. Jack rodeo twist. IMO there was probably a lot of momentum from both sides. Cuz Jack looked like he flopped down as a easy as a World Cup Soccer player (in an effort to be politically correct I will not mention any specific teams...) and Ennis wasn't too far behind. Uh...well...obviously...actually pretty close behind...I mean...uhhh....bucket of ice, anyone?
Hmm, as part of my commitment to the Brokeback Research Institute I will have to pursue further investigation in order to come up with some conclusive evidence for the Ennis bronco flip vs. Jack rodeo twist. IMO there was probably a lot of momentum from both sides. Cuz Jack looked like he flopped down as a easy as a World Cup Soccer player (in an effort to be politically correct I will not mention any specific teams...) and Ennis wasn't too far behind. Uh...well...obviously...actually pretty close behind...I mean...uhhh....bucket of ice, anyone?
LMAO! Yes, pass that bucket of ice so I can dump it over my head. Please continue this groundbreaking and earth shattering research on the bronco flip vs. the rodeo twist. I bet if we slo-mo'ed it and zoomed in, we could go pages on this topic alone! There was enough momentum in that tent that I'm surprised it didn't walk off the mountain under its own volition. Oh, wait, so that's why Ennis held onto Jack's back, for fear his velocity would launch Jack straight out of that tent . . . ;D
Having laid (sorry, couldn't resist) that issue to rest, can someone PLEASE ;D give me a reason to continue my research? I mean, where WAS Jack's harmonica during this whole scene??!! Inquiring minds want to know! Because, you know, I don't MIND watching FNIT a few more times frame by painstaking frame to see if I can seen an OUTLINE of it sticking out of someone's shirt or coat or ...ahem...jeans or something. No really, I don't mind. (as Smiles surreptiously gets her earphones out ......)
Lookin for a reason? Jack and aennis save us money on our gas bills by forcing us to take COLD showers. Is it hot in here or what?
Am I the only one round here who feels sorry for the cameraman in this sequence and SNIT?
Sorry he had to keep his hands steady. Sorry he had to duct tape his mouth together to keep the drool off the camera. I mean, how can ANYONE, witness the many excellent maneuvres in this scene -- the sneaky Jack hand grab, the Ennis fight or f**ck pop-up, the slinky Jack coat throw, Jack's patented one-hand belt flick, Ennis bronco flip/Jack rodeo twist, Ennis' no-reins-so-you're-shirts-gonna-have-to-do left-handed clutch, Jack's vein poppin' ggo fist on floor pound.....Uh...what was my point again? Oh yah, cameraman. Who cares about him? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME! ME!!!!!!! (goes into ugly cry, sobbing pitifully)....
Sorry he had to keep his hands steady. Sorry he had to duct tape his mouth together to keep the drool off the camera. I mean, how can ANYONE, witness the many excellent maneuvres in this scene -- the sneaky Jack hand grab, the Ennis fight or f**ck pop-up, the slinky Jack coat throw, Jack's patented one-hand belt flick, Ennis bronco flip/Jack rodeo twist, Ennis' no-reins-so-you're-shirts-gonna-have-to-do left-handed clutch, Jack's vein poppin' ggo fist on floor pound.....Uh...what was my point again? Oh yah, cameraman. Who cares about him? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME! ME!!!!!!! (goes into ugly cry, sobbing pitifully)....
Sorry he had to keep his hands steady. Sorry he had to duct tape his mouth together to keep the drool off the camera. I mean, how can ANYONE, witness the many excellent maneuvres in this scene -- the sneaky Jack hand grab, the Ennis fight or f**ck pop-up, the slinky Jack coat throw, Jack's patented one-hand belt flick, Ennis bronco flip/Jack rodeo twist, Ennis' no-reins-so-you're-shirts-gonna-have-to-do left-handed clutch, Jack's vein poppin' ggo fist on floor pound.....Uh...what was my point again? Oh yah, cameraman. Who cares about him? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME! ME!!!!!!! (goes into ugly cry, sobbing pitifully)....
You have me on the floor rolling, smilesalot. :8 I wish it would have been me holding that camera; but, if it would have been me, you all would be watching a threesome instead of a twosome FNIT. :d)
Sorry he had to keep his hands steady. Sorry he had to duct tape his mouth together to keep the drool off the camera. I mean, how can ANYONE, witness the many excellent maneuvres in this scene -- the sneaky Jack hand grab, the Ennis fight or f**ck pop-up, the slinky Jack coat throw, Jack's patented one-hand belt flick, Ennis bronco flip/Jack rodeo twist, Ennis' no-reins-so-you're-shirts-gonna-have-to-do left-handed clutch, Jack's vein poppin' ggo fist on floor pound.....Uh...what was my point again? Oh yah, cameraman. Who cares about him? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME! ME!!!!!!! (goes into ugly cry, sobbing pitifully)....
You have me on the floor rolling, smilesalot. :8 I wish it would have been me holding that camera; but, if it would have been me, you all would be watching a threesome instead of a twosome FNIT. :d)
I'd stand behind you to help you hold the camera...would that make it a foursome?
As I recall, Ang Lee held the camera for the FNIT... perhaps also for the SNIT??
I'm sure someone can check this out for us.
On the DVD's SPECIAL FEATURE sesction I thnk it is mentioned that Ang Lee held the camera himself for this scene. admitted that that Jake G. had gone to a "very private place" . That in itself has alot of implications.
I think this the most popular thread on most sites of BBM. FNIT and SNIT are both scenes with Ennis and Jack throwin down. We are some horny bastards! are'nt we ? Yes in the name of resarch, we must continue to study this some more. Classes start NOW.
Well, Ennis sure had his suspicions about that tent. Something about it just didn't look QUITE right. I know Jack said it ain't goin nowhere but it sure as hell got crowded pretty darned quick. Bodies, cameras, harmonicas flying everywhere!
Whew. Now that I've totally debased myself on this thread I feel I must move on to a more serious subject worthy of my keen observational skills and analytical mind. Soooo....where's the SNIT thread again?????
Everything they did comes under " PHYSICAL" education.
Everything they did comes under " PHYSICAL" education.
Tentology 101 LMAO...
Anybody else relate to that feeling of having someone close to you...maybe they are in the next room, sitting next to you on the couch or maybe even in the same bed...You crave them...you are hoping that they are having the same feelings or desire...You wish they would make a move and wonder if you could ever muster the confidence to make that move yourself?
Maybe you just let the moment pass or dont act on those feeling because maybe they are "just a friend" or you think it might not be appropriate or accepted? Maybe you finally did make the move or they did and it turned out fabulously!!!
Jack must have had the butterflies prior to making that first move, but all fear went out the window when he was overcome with desire for Ennis. That was such a brave and bold move...I can't get over the way that scene unfolded...shocked me initially!!!!
Now who has balls the size of camels?
You go Jack!!!
Now who has balls the size of camels?
Now who has balls the size of camels?
Uh, I think it was balls the size of apples....if that coyote had balls the size of camels then I think Ennis would have run a mile :8
Getting this slightly back on topic, I really believe that Jack knew Ennis wouldn't hit him. Don't think he knew exactly what Ennis would do, but I'm sure he wouldn't have doen anything if he thought it would end with Ennis beating him up or, worse, running off. I think there had been enough signs that Ennis was feeling something for Jack to take a chance.
is this the naughty little brokies thread???!!!
Hahaha indeed!is this the naughty little brokies thread???!!!
You can't even begin to imagine gimmejack. A most beautiful first coupling has been redused to the best porn scene ever filmed.
I will have to read the previous pages! I just dying to turn on the DVD after reading the posts just from today!!My instinct exactly, I reread,some pages only, on this thread ,wow, and it was just like I was watching the scene again..lol
BTW,has anyone notice the little devillike tail, that is behind Ennis on the tent...? ;)
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BTW,has anyone notice the little devillike tail, that is behind Ennis on the tent...? ;)
I must say that Im glad I found this thread because this scene totally surprised me at first i thought what Jack was doing was trying to warm Ennis but after seeing the movie again I saw it completely different I think Ennis didnt want to go in the tent because he was beginning to feel something towards jack attraction most likely it made no sense for him to want to freeze to death than just go in the tent, meanwhile Jack was hoping he would and after the next couple viewings I noticed Jack glance back as Ennis laid down next to him and he smiled? it was subtle but I saw it when Jack took Ennis had and squirmed I said hot damn he's making a move and then I felt a drunk Ennis finally figured out what was up and I thought oh no he's gonna punch him in the face :-\\ especially when he shoved Jack away but then all this clutching and grabbing not once is Ennis trying to hit Jack he's struggling with I want this but shouldnt want this and not with him the hands on Jacks face the eyes close very hot (:)and I'm glad Jack didnt back down at that time all this very sexy scene Jack seemed symbolically holding a mirror to Ennis trying to get him to finally face the writing on on the wall as my favorite marvin gaye song "After the dance" " I want you and you want me" :i which was pretty obvious i think Ennis said that I aint queer one shot deal as a way of running a way from his true feelings for Jack by disguising it as some well it sort of just happened no way pal they way he just shoved Jack to the floor of that tent (t) and Jack pounding his fist on the floor (t) (:)AWESOME I didnt have a problem with this scene its one of my favs because of its intensity and it was aggressive and thats always hot :d) and the unbuckling of belts (t) it wouldnt have been realistic if the SNIT happened first because this scene set up all of E&J's issues
Thanks for the comments, sportstalk23. I did feel that in this scene, we see Ennis struggling with himself more than anything else. It was also very beautifully acted out by both of them -- there is an eagerness in Jack's face ("I want you, no matter what") and Ennis is all repressed desire, IMO.
Again, would yopu find it strange that in some of the early comments about this scene in the forum, some members were taken aback by the "roughness" or abruptness of the entire thing. It was certainly meant to be so, in contrast to the SNIT.
I could understant how some may have thought the FNIT was too rough not me :d) ;D to me it was very realitistic some people dont have sex the first time with flowers candles and soft music :P or much discussion you kinda just go for it and Jack sure did I'm still curious about what happened when they finished im sure that was hot too :clap: cuz Jack sure was sleeping peacefully wasnt he ;)
I must say that Im glad I found this thread because this scene totally surprised me at first i thought what Jack was doing was trying to warm Ennis but after seeing the movie again I saw it completely different I think Ennis didnt want to go in the tent because he was beginning to feel something towards jack attraction most likely it made no sense for him to want to freeze to death than just go in the tent, meanwhile Jack was hoping he would and after the next couple viewings I noticed Jack glance back as Ennis laid down next to him and he smiled? it was subtle but I saw it when Jack took Ennis had and squirmed I said hot damn he's making a move and then I felt a drunk Ennis finally figured out what was up and I thought oh no he's gonna punch him in the face :-\\ especially when he shoved Jack away but then all this clutching and grabbing not once is Ennis trying to hit Jack he's struggling with I want this but shouldnt want this and not with him the hands on Jacks face the eyes close very hot (:)and I'm glad Jack didnt back down at that time all this very sexy scene Jack seemed symbolically holding a mirror to Ennis trying to get him to finally face the writing on on the wall as my favorite marvin gaye song "After the dance" " I want you and you want me" :i which was pretty obvious i think Ennis said that I aint queer one shot deal as a way of running a way from his true feelings for Jack by disguising it as some well it sort of just happened no way pal they way he just shoved Jack to the floor of that tent (t) and Jack pounding his fist on the floor (t) (:)AWESOME I didnt have a problem with this scene its one of my favs because of its intensity and it was aggressive and thats always hot :d) and the unbuckling of belts (t) it wouldnt have been realistic if the SNIT happened first because this scene set up all of E&J's issues
Excellent post Sportstalk. I stated earlier in another thread that the reason Ennis stayed outside the tent was because he sensed something might happen. Prolonging the inevitable. I always referred to it as a *mock struggle* because if Ennis really wanted to get away from Jack, he would've. We've seen Ennis disgusted and violent. There was none of that here. He was holding onto Jack as if he wanted something , but could'nt accept having it. He did'nt let go and niether did Jack. I've also pointed out that during the *struggle* Jack placed Ennis's hand back on himself , and this time Ennis DID'NT remove it. Jack then proceeds to take off his coat. I feel at that moment Jack knew he was gonna get Ennis to do what he wanted whatever that was , and it was gonna involve sex, cuz he sensed Ennis wanted to too. He was right.
I think that song , (speaking of songs) "Where Will You Go" ,from the "Babyface CD ( Face) describes Jack and Ennis's story to a T. Whenever I play it now I think of them. I think there's a place within the forum somewhere for this type of thing where we can quote song lyrics that we feel describe or fit Jack and Ennis's story is'nt there? Just askin. I can think of so many.
I once heard a co-worker describe FNIT as a "Rape". Needless to say I just had to straighten them out. Obviously this person was'nt watching the scene as it was intended. Unbeleivable!
Excellent points,Sportstalk,Thomas and AF¡ ^f^ For me,FNIT is an explosion of feelings and sensations that have been lightning up these fireworks at the end.Both of them knew for sure than sooner or later it occurred,perhaps in another way,but it was going to occur...I've always thought that Jack was looking for some kind of lighter approachment,maybe caresses let's say,and a quieter lovemaking,more "by its own steps".But circumstances made it as rough as it can be in these cases,as it was logical it happenned;but never,of course,becoming a rape(OMG¡).It was only the reaction of two boys needing love and sex who shared their loneliness and who wished each other as only one can do when one is 19.
I always wondered the shock of FNIT, and the aggressiveness of it could be in part that they were men letting loose that male sexual aggressiveness, (I might be wrong). No hearts no flowers, just raw passion. I don't see Jack as victim that night he was just as aggressive as Ennis that night, that tinkle of the belt buckle definitely set Ennis off. And Jack knew how to yank Ennis's chain, backing further into him, he grab his arm and pull him foward at that crtical moment he knew what to do and how to it. It made Ennis nuts.
Naw, this definitely not rape, and to think of it as that is crazy. JMO.
Thanks MPJ. I think part of it is that Jack wasn't so sure as to how Ennis would react, and this largely accounts for the "roughness" of it all. I really think that in the beginning, they were trying to grapple with whether to kiss the other or not -- instead, we just see them holding each other's heads, unsure of how to proceed.
how hot would that have been these 2 making out like that because it seems to me that with all that tussling that kissing could have been a possibility I really felt that Jack was maybe aiming for a kiss when their both just clutching each others faces :d) (t) and dammit that whole forehead touching thing that only Ennis and Jack can do :gnight: we saw that in the reunion as well it's like their way of communicating without words but we know exactly what their trying to say I agree manhattan men do let loose their aggression just like the "punch" and that was also alot of pent up sexual tension between those two its like a dam broke in that tent and there was no stopping what was going to happen
Thanks MPJ. I think part of it is that Jack wasn't so sure as to how Ennis would react, and this largely accounts for the "roughness" of it all. I really think that in the beginning, they were trying to grapple with whether to kiss the other or not -- instead, we just see them holding each other's heads, unsure of how to proceed.
and dammit that whole forehead touching thing that only Ennis and Jack can do :gnight: we saw that in the reunion as well it's like their way of communicating without words but we know exactly what their trying to say
There is one moment there Thomas, just a second, where you can see that Jack tried to kiss Ennis, but Ennis didn't let him.
Yeah, that's true, that's so Ennis and Jack, and I love it. As you say, they said to each other a lot of things just with that gesture full of love, tenderness and understanding.
it drives me nuts T when I hear critics go "oh its so lacking dialogue" ::) >:( I want to personally thank Annie, Ang, Larry, Dianna for making it just right the industry is sometimes so obessed over having a quotable catchphrase to market that they talk us to death alot of relationships especially true love that you dont need to say it with words but just a look or touch can say everything thats why I love this movie so much <^( <^(i cant beleive ive jsut found this thread now after about 5 months of being here... anyway i wanted to say sports i agree with everything you say here :)
i cant beleive ive jsut found this thread now after about 5 months of being here... anyway i wanted to say sports i agree with everything you say here :):t) matt :ghug: but i cant wait to see ur FNIT analysis ;)
:t) matt :ghug: but i cant wait to see ur FNIT analysis ;)oh you'll get it tomorow dont worry :), im a little tired now though :)
it drives me nuts T when I hear critics go "oh its so lacking dialogue" ::) >:( I want to personally thank Annie, Ang, Larry, Dianna for making it just right the industry is sometimes so obessed over having a quotable catchphrase to market that they talk us to death alot of relationships especially true love that you dont need to say it with words but just a look or touch can say everything thats why I love this movie so much <^( <^(
There is one moment there Thomas, just a second, where you can see that Jack tried to kiss Ennis, but Ennis didn't let him.
it drives me nuts T when I hear critics go "oh its so lacking dialogue" ::) >:( I want to personally thank Annie, Ang, Larry, Dianna for making it just right the industry is sometimes so obessed over having a quotable catchphrase to market that they talk us to death alot of relationships especially true love that you dont need to say it with words but just a look or touch can say everything thats why I love this movie so much <^( <^(
In think the long silences in the movie are its greatest strengths. This is especially true in FNIT, where the sounds are so raw and quasi-animalistic. Any form of dialogue would fall short...yes, i always thought the grunts and moans of FNIT were a perfect metaphor of all the pent up emotion... like the gutteral sounds being released forcefully as the emotions...sorry if that makes no sense lol
yes, i always thought the grunts and moans of FNIT were a perfect metaphor of all the pent up emotion... like the gutteral sounds being released forcefully as the emotions...sorry if that makes no sense lol
yer :)
makes plenty of sense to me matt :clap: all them grunts groans and moans painted a picture of alot of sexual tension that was going on with those 2 from the start
You know the more I watch this scene, the way Jack got things started was really non aggressive by taking Ennis' hand and putting it on him. To me it would have been more of a threat for him to touch Ennis in that way. And when Ennis jumped up and Jack went to him he put Ennis' hand on him again, a lot more non threatening than if he had touched Ennis down there. It was like Jack was saying, "this is what you do to me, I want you, do you want me too?"yer jack was alot less intrusive then he could of been, by putting ennis hand there, it gave ennis the control...him touching ennis that way would be more forceful...instead his way was jsut an invitation more then a forceful advance
I agree with this, but I'm still confused as to if Jack was asleep , in the middle of a * very sweet fantasy dream* when he reached over for Ennis's hand, or was this something he did knowingly? I mean he did have a big pleaurable smile on his face, BEFORE he reached for Ennis. I assume he was dreaming about Ennis? They both seemed shocked imo ...just sayin..
You know the more I watch this scene, the way Jack got things started was really non aggressive by taking Ennis' hand and putting it on him. To me it would have been more of a threat for him to touch Ennis in that way. And when Ennis jumped up and Jack went to him he put Ennis' hand on him again, a lot more non threatening than if he had touched Ennis down there. It was like Jack was saying, "this is what you do to me, I want you, do you want me too?"
...Unless Ennis was having what is commonly known as a *wet dream " too, then that would explain how Ennis became ...prepared... so soon even in a half-asleep, half-drunkin state in order to penetrate Jack as fast as he did. I'm not a male so I'm assuming alot. Or maybe it was Jack's excellent but short seduction that did it. I guess it does'nt really take much for a healthy young 19 yr. old guy to become aroused so quickly eh? By the way, I watched this scene with a male friend who immediatly stated it's not possible. I answered apparently it was , we just watched it happen! ;) :cr)
Good answer! ;D ;D
Well, I guess i got my answer Matt, oh the young (sigh). :) ;).
This whole scene had an ebb and flow to it which I loved. First the quiet stiil of the full moon Jack and Ennis sleeping peacfully, The slow languishing moment when Jack reached for Ennis hand, the sudden urgent grappling followed by a sort of calm, Ennis staring unbeleivably into Jack's baby bules. a challenge to resist unto itself. They know Ennis's secret he's tried so hard to conceal. ... Ennis, thinking he was alone in some newfound feelings towards Jack that went beyond just friendship, They impressed each other.There was a longing there, on both sides imo, .. He was sexually attracted to Jack as Jack was to him, but Ennis was likely going to suffer in silence until Jack made that bold move Jack already knew , and he could very well relate to those same feelings.. I don't feel Jack had any great plan , but made sure Ennis knew what he wanted.. he knew it would end in some sort of sexual expression. He was gonna take it it any way Ennis could give it.
Deep down, I think he knew. Even though he didn't want to accept it. :f)
Do you think Ennis realized what those feelings were, before that night? Yes, he had deep feelings for Jack that went beyond friendship, he felt so happy just being with him, "felt he could paw the white out of the moon"... but did he actually realize that he was sexually attracted to Jack? Did he dare admit that to himself?
Deep down, I think he knew. Even though he didn't want to accept it. :f)
I agree, as we know Ennis didn't have any qualms about punching people's lights out and he didn't even try to hit Jack. As the old saying goes, still waters run deep, and so it went for his sexual feelings toward Jack, oh yeah they were there for awhile.
I agree. We as individuals are sometime the last to acknowledge what the Heart had known all along.
That's the way I see it - he sure felt it but he didn't really acknowledge that.
So you're saying actually that when Jack took Ennis's hand and put it on himself, he had reason to believe that Ennis wouldn't hit him but would actually go along with it. It also hints that Jack was aware of what he was doing there, and made a conscious decision. Am I right?
Ennis started to make love to Jack when he tried to constantly please him, going to him at various times to be near him. Jack may have open the door all the way, but Ennis did unlock it for him.
Do you think Ennis realized what those feelings were, before that night? Yes, he had deep feelings for Jack that went beyond friendship, he felt so happy just being with him, "felt he could paw the white out of the moon"... but did he actually realize that he was sexually attracted to Jack? Did he dare admit that to himself?
I think the closeness of Ennis in a way made Jack reach over to him. Remember the view of the empty space in the tent. Neither of the made a move apparently to distance themselves any further then they wanted. That in it self makes me wonder they must have unknowingly felt something for one another. When Jack took Ennis's hand and brought it to him that was a lover's move. When they held on to each other was passion coming to the surface.
Ennis started to make love to Jack when he tried to constantly please him, going to him at various times to be near him. Jack may have open the door all the way, but Ennis did unlock it for him. JMO
I feel that though subtle, the feelings of sexual attraction were there, but Ennis would not allow himself to admit that that's what it was , sort of like unconciously ,though the possibility that he was sexually attracted kept nagging him. He tried to put the thoughts out of his mind imo. The fact that at some point he made a decision not to go up to the sheep, opting to stay in camp with Jack that night and get wasted in itself was a signal among others to Jack that Ennis felt a need to be close to him and Jack was not going to discourage or remind Ennis that it was time to go back to the sheep as the sun set. I also feel that Ennis 's decision to sleep *outside* the tent until Jack called him in was not so much a sign of "modesty" on Ennis's part, but a distrust of his own feelings concerning Jack. Those feelings along with a little "liquid courage" in him found him outright flirting with Jack with the "opportunity" statement. " Speak for yourself , you may be a sinner, but I've yet to have the opportunity" to me says * I want the opportunity ...with you* . Being Ennis, he was'nt gonna blurt it out loud, but I don't think he was thinking of Alma when he said this %( %( The way he looks at Jack at times during this whole scene ...well imo it's unmistakable what he meant and who he wanted the "opportunity" with. I think Jack read it that way. My take.
So you're saying actually that when Jack took Ennis's hand and put it on himself, he had reason to believe that Ennis wouldn't hit him but would actually go along with it. It also hints that Jack was aware of what he was doing there, and made a conscious decision. Am I right?
I agree totally with this.
When Jack removed his coat, Ennis asks "what are you doing ?" knowing by now good and well what Jack is "doing". He could've easily left or showed contempt in some way. he did'nt. I don't think Ennis expected what happened to happen the way it did, or even when it did, but I can't help but feel he wanted this to happen. (Jack making a first move on him.). Before long he clung onto Jack with both hands and did'nt let go. A signal to Jack that Ennis was willing to participate. The urgency was mutual.
Absolutely. In fact, When they jumped up, Jack whispered "come on, come on" and grabbed Ennis and took his hand and put it on himself again... you can't see it completely but it's quite obvious when you look at that scene, where his arm is going. And this time Ennis didn't pull back his hand. And then Jack took off his coat, and only then Ennis mumbled "what are you doing?" So yeah, he knew exactly what Jack was doing. But something else that occured to me, as far as Ennis knew, maybe Jack just wanted to jerk off together, bring each other off. He didn't tell Ennis what he wanted him to do - it was Ennis who chose to go all the way and have a full sexual intercourse.yeah Ennis was a virgin but he sure wasn't naive :P
Absolutely. In fact, When they jumped up, Jack whispered "come on, come on" and grabbed Ennis and took his hand and put it on himself again... you can't see it completely but it's quite obvious when you look at that scene, where his arm is going. And this time Ennis didn't pull back his hand. And then Jack took off his coat, and only then Ennis mumbled "what are you doing?" So yeah, he knew exactly what Jack was doing. But something else that occured to me, as far as Ennis knew, maybe Jack just wanted to jerk off together, bring each other off. He didn't tell Ennis what he wanted him to do - it was Ennis who chose to go all the way and have a full sexual intercourse.
Your comment about autoeroticism is intriguing. Perhaps initially? But as things progressed, it would seem that Jack was striving for a kiss. For some reason, I recall the "no kissing" rule among many rent boys (and, interestingly enough, an older generation of porn stars) -- they would be willing to do many things, but kissing was out of the question. Kissing was deemed an especially intimate act. For them (other than the usual arguments involving hygiene), a kiss humanizes the relationship, and indicates that there was more to this than just sensual gratification.
Exactly Thomas! That's what made the huge difference between FNIT and SNIT - the kissing, the tenderness. It also looked to me that Jack was going for a kiss is FNIT, and that was when Ennis resisted - sex he could deal with, but not kissing. In FNIT we see them having sex, in SNIT we "only" see them kissing (we know what followed but we can only see the kissing), and yet what happened between them at SNIT was so much more profound. The point when Ennis was willing to go beyond just having sex, and was actually ready to make love.
A little OT but since SNIT wasn't in the short story, and there wasn't any mention of kissing while they were on the mountain, do you think that the reunion was actually their first kiss?
Love your whole post Keren. It's beautiful and I agree. ^f^
About kissing, I have to say that I read somewhere that a lot of brokies thought that the reunion kiss was their first kiss, based on that SS line (..then, and as easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together...) that maybe suggests that it, that first kiss, was a easy natural thing to do even for the first time, even after 4 years, because of their love. Some people thinks that it's powerful that it's the first kiss, just then after all that time, because it shows how strong and deep their love was that after all that time separated and all those times they had only sex up in BBM, they now kiss each other without even think a minute about it, kiss each other like if they realize suddenly that it is more than sexual attraction, that they need something else, that it is love?
I'm glad that Ang filmed SNIT because I sure love it so so much, and I adore that they kissed then for the first time. <^( <^(
Somehow, I feel that they must have kiseed later on in the Mountain that summer. I think SNIT was an extrapolation of this feeling, as far as Ang Lee was concerned. But I also find the possibility of the Reunion being the first kiss quite intriguing, It would partly explain the intensity of it all. There is not explicit mention of kissing in the episodes on the Mountain, if I recall correctly. Was this deliberate, or was the intimacy that would have led to kissing implied even while they were up on BBM? Somehow, I feel that they had already kissed up on BBM...There were a lot of emotions going on up there on Brokeback so they probably kissed frequently since their relationship was more than just sex. I think the reunion kiss was so passionate and forceful because they hadn't seen or heard from each other for so long and they both still felt the same way about each other. They just couldn't contain themselves.. all the joy, longing, feeling of being whole again.
This talkin about the kissing...
That head nuzzel Ennis gives Jack just at the end. Well that makes my heart go into a gallop.
When I was young I had someone tell me not to kiss em as there hand was going down my pants. I was floored.
If your hand is in my pants I'm a kissin ya or I'm a kickin your ass.
Your discussing made me remember. Still makes me go...huh?
To me kissing IS intimate. But a hand down the pants isn't?
Perhaps I'm a prude...dam it.
"Gun's goin off!"
This talkin about the kissing...
That head nuzzel Ennis gives Jack just at the end. Well that makes my heart go into a gallop.
There were a lot of emotions going on up there on Brokeback so they probably kissed frequently since their relationship was more than just sex. I think the reunion kiss was so passionate and forceful because they hadn't seen or heard from each other for so long and they both still felt the same way about each other. They just couldn't contain themselves.. all the joy, longing, feeling of being whole again.
To me kissing IS intimate. But a hand down the pants isn't?
Perhaps I'm a prude...dam it.
"Gun's goin off!"
I've thought the scene where Aguirre was spying on them when they were wrestling showed that there was moment that they could have kissed when both were on the ground, they thought they were alone, they were being intimate and tender towards each other. When Aguirre made a point of showing Jack his binoculars, I couldn't help but feel Jack knew then they were outed, but yet he looked protectively towards Ennis's direction, as if to say to himself he couldn't let Ennis know.
The reunion kiss just showed how natural their passion, need and love was. How even after four years nothing changed, that need was still there. One of the things, to me anyway, Ennis thought had to be kept in check.
JMO.
I have understood many men, in general, go for the one night stands. The drinkin and plain loneliness played a part here. But I guess bein a dreamer I always think there had to be some spark between em already. I guess I dont want to believe it could have been just sex. I admit there is the possibility.
I have to think the wanting/needing of that release is because of the build up of what is already there.
Otherwise no work would ever get done and wed all be in the streets humpin the first thing that moved, regardless?
I have to admit I am/want to be naive.
"balls as big as apples"
Maybe I'm way off base here, but I wonder sometimes if Ennis was wringing it out thinking about Jack before FNIT even happened. There were lots of sparks flying around those two for quite some time even if most were kind of subtle.
me too mahattan i thought all that play wrestling and Ennis covering their faces with the hat could have been a good time to share a kiss frankly they could have made that scene a lil longer although sluggo aguirre spied on them >:( and, i thought too aguirre let it be known to Jack he knew what was going on between them especially when he rode up to inform Jack about the uncle, he looked towards Ennis during that convo and it seemed to me Jack got his drift. rimasworld i'm with you on the sparks thing it was quite obvious early on i believe that Ennis maybe didnt know what those feelings were that he had for Jack, but Jack understood his feelings right away, which made him act accordingly he knew when to make a move and when to pull back. The night in the tent he could hold back no more, as who the hell knows if he would have gotten that close to Ennis again, since that was the first time they shared that tent
I agree, and the irony of it all is that as much as Jack wanted them both in camp, he never was the one who just decided to take the night off, but it was Ennis, who'd been hearing Jack bitch about the rules who did it first, yes *afraid to take a chance*, proper, Ennis Del Mar made a rebellious move. Part longing for Jack's company for himself and another gesture on his part to please Jack. He was listening.
Thanks pattyjean! I try my best, even though I don't succeed in being clear sometimes... :)
pattyjean, since you watched BBM for the first time on Bravo, I would want to ask you whether you felt there was something wrong or missing when you saw the edited version of FNIT. Did you feel that there was clearly a part of the scene that was cut? Did you feel that there was clearly something missing when they edited out the "crucial" part of FNIT?
Over here Patty ...over here..
Try not to wander so far away next time.
Bring marshmallows..
Ok, and here's my big question for the day.Jack was drunk and he wantd to go with the flow....when he tried to hold Ennis and Ennis tried to go away at first, suddenly Jack felt kinda awakened and charged up...even when people r drunk they know what is going on if the situation is intense..and this defintely was an intense situation for them...
The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking? I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.
What about you?
Ann
Absolutely TPE! It mattered not to me whether E. and J. were gay, straight, purple or green: Bravo did a terrible injustice by cutting out the latter part of that scene! Maybe I am sex-challenged, but I just felt, during my first viewing, that Jack was the more masculine character, and that he would have assumed the role of dominant male! I was blithely watching the DVD for the first time, and OMG! Could not believe what I was seeing! The explosive passion and "reversed" positions were mind-altering for me! Again I say that I have never been so enlightened by a MOVIE! God--I need a "whiskey spring"!
Over here Patty ...over here..
Try not to wander so far away next time.
Bring marshmallows..
Jack was drunk and he wantd to go with the flow....when he tried to hold Ennis and Ennis tried to go away at first, suddenly Jack felt kinda awakened and charged up...even when people r drunk they know what is going on if the situation is intense..and this defintely was an intense situation for them...
smartestsonia, how interesting that we chose to use the same terminology: "go with the flow". I swear that I had not read this post until after I had written the above response to pattyjean! :)
smartestsonia, how interesting that we chose to use the same terminology: "go with the flow". I swear that I had not read this post until after I had written the above response to pattyjean! :)ya "go with the flow" makes so much sense...one thing led to another and it was mutual...even though Jack inititated it, eventually it became mutual for them both...
Our terminology is getting to be a bit serendipitous, eh? Happy, TPE, that you at first had the same take on Jake's prowess that I did--that he precipitated the intimacy, and therefore seemed to be the "in charge" guy! I bought Annie's Proulx' book and read it AFTER viewing the DVD--so FNIT is totally as the author intended it. Annie and Ang knew precisely the impact of all of this...
ya "go with the flow" makes so much sense...one thing led to another and it was mutual...even though Jack inititated it, eventually it became mutual for them both...
the FNIT was a passionate scene and in the morning it hit them even more than the night of what they have started meaning to each other...
I personally love the SNIT scene and ofcourse the renuinion after 4 years scene :)
Going with the flow also happens to be something we can all identify, especially when it comes to magtters of the heart, which can be so unpredicatble, no?ya if we love someone, whoever it is and whatever is the relation going with the flow allows us to follow our heart and just be ourselves with that person...
And yes, SNIT and the reunion also show them going with the flow -- or seizing the moment.
ya if we love someone, whoever it is and whatever is the relation going with the flow allows us to follow our heart and just be ourselves with that person...
and ya they did seize the moment in the SNIT and reunion scene...it was well reciprocated (the intensity as well as tenderness)
FNIT was raw, pure sex, and it was good. But SNIT, and the reunion, that where the trouble starts, it shows that they were something was growing between them, and the reunion establish it. That there was something that did get a hold of both of them, But then this great battle of trying to rein it in, of not letting overcome you, with Ennis anyway. It reminds me of Justin and Brian in QAF. A great fear of love and falling into it, of even saying it. It goes so far beyond the sex.
Also, going with the flow illustrates a willingness to adapt oneself to the needs of the other. It is a necessity in love.When one loves someone he will understand him ..what makes him happy and what does not...so he will adapt to see that the other person is happy....Jack and Ennis throughout the film understood each other and made each other comfortable..thats true love..Ennis and Jack never had to tell each other that “don’t do this” or I don’t like it?”
The FNIT was just the opening, to be sure. Although I must admit that even in that scene, I did see love peeping underneath all the passion.
I really think Jack was certainly versatile, as the name of the brand of the tractor he was shown driving suggested later on. ;) My personal opinion (not shared by everyone) is that he did take the dominant role sometimes, after the FNIT.
But TPE: This a movie, remember? There were no other "acts" to refer to. HOWEVER, in SNIT, when Jack passionately kissed Ennis while lying on top of him, perhaps dominance was implied...very astute, TPE...its true that there were no otehr acts to refer too techniqually... but ennis and jack are so far from 2 dimensional characters its almost like they are real, the way i see it the movie hows us a window to parts of there lives...but its not like those are the only parts that happeneded...if you understand. which no one probably can cos ive jsut made no sense what so ever.
its true that there were no otehr acts to refer too techniqually... but ennis and jack are so far from 2 dimensional characters its almost like they are real, the way i see it the movie hows us a window to parts of there lives...but its not like those are the only parts that happeneded...if you understand. which no one probably can cos ive jsut made no sense what so ever.
LOL Matt Nasty! My point was that Jake and Heath are actors and what actually occurred in the movie between Jack and Ennis is, unfortunately, all we have to work with. We can't say things like "Deep in his heart he felt such and such", because these are fictional characters. But never fear, face value is good enough for me! The way Jake and Heath looked at each other (in the movie) was acting at its most brilliant...and those glances were phenomenal! I'll take one "Jack gaze" over 1000 spoken "I love you's"! :)ahh i see sorry for that miss interpretation %&). i see what you mean now.
But TPE: This a movie, remember? There were no other "acts" to refer to. HOWEVER, in SNIT, when Jack passionately kissed Ennis while lying on top of him, perhaps dominance was implied...very astute, TPE...
its true that there were no otehr acts to refer too techniqually... but ennis and jack are so far from 2 dimensional characters its almost like they are real, the way i see it the movie hows us a window to parts of there lives...but its not like those are the only parts that happeneded...if you understand. which no one probably can cos ive jsut made no sense what so ever.
LOL Matt Nasty! My point was that Jake and Heath are actors and what actually occurred in the movie between Jack and Ennis is, unfortunately, all we have to work with. We can't say things like "Deep in his heart he felt such and such", because these are fictional characters. But never fear, face value is good enough for me! The way Jake and Heath looked at each other (in the movie) was acting at its most brilliant...and those glances were phenomenal! I'll take one "Jack gaze" over 1000 spoken "I love you's"! :)
Pattyjean...I don't think Jack was drunk in FNIT. I think he purposely let Ennis get drunk so his guard would be down. However, Ennis was really drunk!
I would say Jack was what you call buzzed yall know the one you get during afterwork happy hour :cr) :8 but Ennis was drunk off his ass like new years ;) maybe it was done purposely to have more inhibriated than the other? would there be the same results in the FNIT if both were really stumbling drunk? I always wondered about
Actually Jack's buzz and Ennis' drunkeness contributed greatly to making the scene so beautiful and perfectly executed: "No instruction manuel needed"! :cr)ya thats there...it all led to the FNIT.......even though Jack initiated it , eventually it became very mutual...it was so meant to be
Some other Brokies had mentioned that, after sitting up, Jack places his Ennis'left hand on his fly--just to show him how enormously aroused he is--and Ennis does not remove his hand! Having viewed this masterpiece infinite times, I cannot believe I finally noticed this erotic mini-scene just yesterday! :*(
Yes¡ And even it seems as if Ennis is making some "movements" with his left hand,after having jumped by noticing Jack's touch.He doesn't refuse this touch,but he has an active role in it,or at least is what I've always thought about... :d)
Another move I love in this venue: Jack's left arm is underneath Ennis' right arm when they are sparring. Then Jack abruptly moves his right arm on top so that he can hold Ennis' adorable face! Waaay too sweet! %)
Another move I love in this venue: Jack's left arm is underneath Ennis' right arm when they are sparring. Then Jack abruptly moves his right arm on top so that he can hold Ennis' adorable face! Waaay too sweet! %)
Sorry: I posted this backwards, but hope you got the drift anyway! Jack's left arm ended up under Ennis' right arm so that Jack could lovingly hold his "lil darlin's" head...sooo sweet and sexy! 8)
Don't worry,Pattyjean¡ I don't understand English,neither if you write properly nor if you write it backwards ¡ :8
For someone who doesn't understand English, you post VERY well! AND you fully grasped the lovely caressing of face and head during "what we got going on here"! LOVED the way both Jack and Ennis gently (or voraciously) held each other's heads during the passionate and/or romantic love scenes. %)
Thanks friends for continuing the interesting discussion this weekend. ;)
personally, I thought Jack deliberately didn't get himself get that drunk, whereas Ennis deliberately got himself that drunk.
In the case of Jack, it was clear that he wanted Ennis to be in the camp all along, so that perhaps one thing would lead to another.
In the case of Ennis, I thinkl that subconsciously, he wanted to be in the camp with Jack. although his scrupples usually got the better of him...
My 2 cents...Jack wanted to be sober enough to entice Ennis into the tent. Whether he purposely got Ennis drunk or whether Ennis did it on purpose I'm not sure. I do believe, though, that if Ennis got drunk on purpose, his inhibitions would be down and he'd have an excuse. JMOYeah I think the fact that Ennis kept sticking around when he should have gone to the sheep, drinking and revealing to Jack he ain't had the opportunity yet told me he kind of wanted something to happen even if he wasn't quite aware of it yet. He was attracted to Jack by this time so he wanted to be there and the drinking sure helped him along.
I think that both of them wanted to be together in the camp,maybe being aware of what could happen and playing hard.But what I don't understand is why you say that Jack didn't get himself drunk deliberately and Ennis did.What makes you think in this way,please?. ???
My 2 cents...Jack wanted to be sober enough to entice Ennis into the tent. Whether he purposely got Ennis drunk or whether Ennis did it on purpose I'm not sure. I do believe, though, that if Ennis got drunk on purpose, his inhibitions would be down and he'd have an excuse. JMO
Yeah I think the fact that Ennis kept sticking around when he should have gone to the sheep, drinking and revealing to Jack he ain't had the opportunity yet told me he kind of wanted something to happen even if he wasn't quite aware of it yet. He was attracted to Jack by this time so he wanted to be there and the drinking sure helped him along.
I'll wish right being between their two short and hot breaths…. (t) <^( <^(
I'll wish right being between their two short and hot breaths…. (t) <^( <^(
There is a definite change in Ennis between FNIT and SNIT, and the playfulness is part of it -- learning to be himself, and be willing to face up to one's desires.
Nonetheless, I also suspect that guilt was very much present the morning after FNIT -- especially as far as Ennis was concerned. I do agree that the feelings from FNIT were bursting out of him at that moment, but it looked to me that there was internal conflict between these feelings and this sense of guilt. I guess this was one reason why he couldn't face jack the morning after -- it was hard to read his face, because he was so confused at that moment.
Actually tpe: IMO, Jack is the one who LOOKS extremely guilty--the morning after FNIT. Then that evening during, "It's nobody's business but ours", he looks worried and a bit remorseful for his actions the previous night, because that "one-shot thing" changed everything! Ennis appears quite stoic...hiding his feelings.
Good point. I would say that both of them felt guilty. Jack looked apologetic for what he had done or started, whereas Ennis looked guilty because it seemed that he couldn't face up to what he just did.
I would say that Jack was defiant rather than guilty in that scene where he says "It's nobody's business but ours"...
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Back to FNIT: it was certainly more about the sex and raw desire, but I think there was much more than that. It also hadm, guilt, fear, and -- yes, I also think -- the beginnings of all-consuming love.
Well, I do think that the morning after, jack was probably more concerned with whether Ennis will repudiate everything that had happened the night before -- and shun him (Jack) altogether.ugh...turning him gay...oh yer cos that can be done... how childish to use that as an excuse for something thats perfectly natural.
I knew someone in real-life who was actually "seduced" by an acquaintance with Ennis-like problems, and the acquaimtance later blamed my friend for turning him gay!
Well, I do think that the morning after, jack was probably more concerned with whether Ennis will repudiate everything that had happened the night before -- and shun him (Jack) altogether.
I knew someone in real-life who was actually "seduced" by an acquaintance with Ennis-like problems, and the acquaimtance later blamed my friend for turning him gay!
Well, I do think that the morning after, jack was probably more concerned with whether Ennis will repudiate everything that had happened the night before -- and shun him (Jack) altogether.
I knew someone in real-life who was actually "seduced" by an acquaintance with Ennis-like problems, and the acquaimtance later blamed my friend for turning him gay!
Just wanted to say..
Matt even today its only natural to some people. I would have to say I was brought up and to some extent feel it is unnatural. You just don't get away from your upbringin so easy. Something bashed in your skull over and over and reinforced by social attitudes. I know of the fear and shame first hand. Always in the back of my mind. As some of you know my feelings about male affection in general.
I didn't see the dead ol' bird on in the drainaged ditch with his pecker pulled clean off but I might as well of. In a way I feel people been tryin to turn me straight all my life. Never worked. So I don't sees how someone turns gay all a sudden.
I can see Ennis confused about what happened. I don't know if Ennis would a been resentful. I think that was more where Jack was headed. Ennis didn't have to go back for more after the first night. He knew it felt right for the first time ever. Couldn't stay away after that. Like finally findin your way home. But just cause you find home don't mean you cant as easily get lost again.
Well, I do think that the morning after, jack was probably more concerned with whether Ennis will repudiate everything that had happened the night before -- and shun him (Jack) altogether.
I knew someone in real-life who was actually "seduced" by an acquaintance with Ennis-like problems, and the acquaimtance later blamed my friend for turning him gay!
I don't know if it was so much guilt from Jack, as it was more a feeling of concern with Ennis reaction to him the next morning. Jack had guided Ennis through this, that's why Jack "waited" for Ennis to come to him on that hill.
By "topping from the bottom", Jack enabled Ennis to explore this part of him, and by letting him know, "Its nobody business but ours" , "You're not queer, OK fine", "This is a one shot thing, you got it." It was all safety nets.
Jack had to ensure that trust Ennis apparently needed in order for him to go to Jack that second night. It was about trust. IMO.
ugh...turning him gay...oh yer cos that can be done... how childish to use that as an excuse for something thats perfectly natural.
Do you think Ennis felt that way about Jack at times? During that time period so many gay people were in the closet afraid to be who they really were. Ennis or even Jack didn't have any positive gay role models to identify with, so neither one of them felt they really fit into the queer mode they were brought up to believe was the only way a person was who was attracted to someone of their own gender. Maybe sometimes Ennis resented Jack for starting that first time even though he "loved" him.
Just wanted to say..
Matt even today its only natural to some people. I would have to say I was brought up and to some extent feel it is unnatural. You just don't get away from your upbringin so easy. Something bashed in your skull over and over and reinforced by social attitudes. I know of the fear and shame first hand. Always in the back of my mind. As some of you know my feelings about male affection in general.
I didn't see the dead ol' bird on in the drainaged ditch with his pecker pulled clean off but I might as well of. In a way I feel people been tryin to turn me straight all my life. Never worked. So I don't sees how someone turns gay all a sudden.
I can see Ennis confused about what happened. I don't know if Ennis would a been resentful. I think that was more where Jack was headed. Ennis didn't have to go back for more after the first night. He knew it felt right for the first time ever. Couldn't stay away after that. Like finally findin your way home. But just cause you find home don't mean you cant as easily get lost again.
Sure we all have that fear of rejection when we sleep with someone for the first time. Ennis wasn't going to stop sleeping with Jack. But he had to let Jack know where he stood on this "thing". Jack was smart enough to know for them to continue to sleep with each other he had to yeild to the rules Ennis put down. Remember they weren't "queer", but damn neither of them was going give it up.
I never thought Ennis blamed Jack because he , (Ennis) fell in love with him. I think he did blame Jack for his inability to move no further in his life. Ennis spent most of the twenty years living for that one week a year to be with his lover, and gave up so much for it, and Jack "seemed" not to care. JMO
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Ennis also blamed Jack, later, in the final meeting...it's because of you that I'm like this.
Yup. It's about trust. And to certain degree, a matter of moral responsibility. It was Ennis' first time. That's always special. Jack cannot, must not, and did not take it lightly. He respected Ennis to let him take the lead, without pressure, manipulation or mind games. He simply opened up himself, to be vulnerable to Ennis' rejection ridicule or even physical violence. Once he let Ennis knew how he felt, by grabbing his hand to show his arousal, he left the rest up to Ennis. As you said, manhattangirl, that was the only way Ennis would even consider SNIT, and with considerable deliberation by the fire, before opening up himself to Jack.
Jack had a responsibility to be genuine and gentle with Ennis at this point in their relationship. His, at least according to his own claim, was the position of experience and to certain extent, power. Ennis was the vulnerable child that he could have hurt easily.
Trust is never easy in any relationship. Once burned...
That last statement is quite enigmatic, I must say...
I also don't think Ennis blamed Jack for what happened in FNIT -- although Jack must have thought of this as a possibility.
And yes, Ennis did sacrifice a lot to be with Jack -- but perhaps he was unmindful of the sacrifices jack made, and was perhaps not undertanding that it was Jack who was trying to make him move on -- by taking the risk of living a sweet life.
Wow, this forum is constantly coming up with new treasures to understand the movie. <^( Thank you everyone for yet another wonderful thread.
Ennis also blamed Jack, later, in the final meeting...it's because of you that I'm like this.
Yup. It's about trust. And to certain degree, a matter of moral responsibility. It was Ennis' first time. That's always special. Jack cannot, must not, and did not take it lightly. He respected Ennis to let him take the lead, without pressure, manipulation or mind games. He simply opened up himself, to be vulnerable to Ennis' rejection ridicule or even physical violence. Once he let Ennis knew how he felt, by grabbing his hand to show his arousal, he left the rest up to Ennis. As you said, manhattangirl, that was the only way Ennis would even consider SNIT, and with considerable deliberation by the fire, before opening up himself to Jack.
Jack had a responsibility to be genuine and gentle with Ennis at this point in their relationship. His, at least according to his own claim, was the position of experience and to certain extent, power. Ennis was the vulnerable child that he could have hurt easily.
Trust is never easy in any relationship. Once burned...
I was just thinking to make it possible for Ennis to even sleep with Jack that second night, he had to declare that he wasn't "queer" and for Jack not to challenge but to concede in order to get the same thing.
As far as sacrifice I agree with you, both made them, and both were unaware to the extent of the other's sacrifice. It wasn't the sacrifice that was important to them in the end, (I don't think), but the acknowledgement of love for each other, I feel they might still of had a problem with that one point, "Do you love me enough to understand where I'm coming from?". JMO.
Wow, this forum is constantly coming up with new treasures to understand the movie. <^( Thank you everyone for yet another wonderful thread.
Ennis also blamed Jack, later, in the final meeting...it's because of you that I'm like this.
Yup. It's about trust. And to certain degree, a matter of moral responsibility. It was Ennis' first time. That's always special. Jack cannot, must not, and did not take it lightly. He respected Ennis to let him take the lead, without pressure, manipulation or mind games. He simply opened up himself, to be vulnerable to Ennis' rejection ridicule or even physical violence. Once he let Ennis knew how he felt, by grabbing his hand to show his arousal, he left the rest up to Ennis. As you said, manhattangirl, that was the only way Ennis would even consider SNIT, and with considerable deliberation by the fire, before opening up himself to Jack.
Jack had a responsibility to be genuine and gentle with Ennis at this point in their relationship. His, at least according to his own claim, was the position of experience and to certain extent, power. Ennis was the vulnerable child that he could have hurt easily.
Trust is never easy in any relationship. Once burned...
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I so adore this picture , you cannot stop thinking, it looks so sincere and natural, sigh....,
they are already in love... <^(
Notice how in that picture, Jack's hand is open caressing Ennis's face, but Ennis's hand is closed. It may symbolize the reluctance Ennis was feeling at what was happening. In the back of his mind is the fear, the inner turmoil, nagging at him, with Jack's love trying to break him out of that. In the SNIT, on the other hand, Ennis becomes much more relaxed about it, he lets the love more freely, he is less afraid of what's happening, and Jack comforts him, and reassures him by being so gentle with him, and saying "It's alright" so tenderly and lovingly.
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I so adore this picture , you cannot stop thinking, it looks so sincere and natural, sigh....,
they are already in love... <^(
this picture reminds me of.......... "Latter Days" -- a feeling of trying to hold back, but failing to keep it all in. I think this is what makes the picture so compelling.You absolutely right of course!!! O0
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I so adore this picture , you cannot stop thinking, it looks so sincere and natural, sigh....,
they are already in love... <^(
Jack needed to take the approach he did. I'm sure Ennis's appreciated it .Well Ennis was a 'bit' drunk but Jack was not, not as much as Ennis anyway, so he knew what he was doing and all is so raw, but still so passionate and impulsive... and well, you can feel the tension, the chemistry, the fact that it was 'right'. <^(
You absolutely right of course!!! O0
They want to but are afraid.. then it all explodes...
Thanks hpv. It is the mixture of reticence and naked desire that I find most compelling.
Naked desire? :P :P :P
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You wicked girl! *SPANK!* ;D #)
By that, I meant something like "out-in-the-open", or "undisguised"! :)
Well Ennis was a 'bit' drunk but Jack was not, not as much as Ennis anyway, so he knew what he was doing and all is so raw, but still so passionate and impulsive... and well, you can feel the tension, the chemistry, the fact that it was 'right'. <^(
I believe that the things were already clear and the relationship between them open enough for any pretending. Both knew that, and both were vexed as expected! That made them even more lovely and sexy! <^( <^( <^(
Well, it certainly turned out that way. Ennis certainly never denied it. And he certainly didn't bring up any excuses. I guess it's pretty much an obvious point: that he enjoyed it -- in spite of his not being queer and all that...
What you say it's right... I just have a feeling that both of them put a little more blame on Jack!
Well, who wouldn't? >:D
Ups, sorry! %&)
Yeah, there was no pretending there, Ennis was just embarrassed for doing it and even more - for enjoying it. #s}
And Jack... oh, Jack... I saw my baby yesterday... ha was sooo cute when leaving the tent the next morning. I have a feeling that he felt like a culprit a bit, in front of Ennis, knowing that he had been planning to seduce Ennis for quite a while... "s;"
I have the feeling that both of them felt as pleased as guilty the morning after;in Ennis case,the first sensation was a little more hidden than for Jack,and viceversa in the second case.But,at the end,I do believe that it was kind of new experience for both of them;because,even if Jack had had these kind of relationships before,it was the first time he had fallen in love with another man.So,they felt like it was going to be something very special in their life,something that would get that life never was the same for them...
Jack certainly looked sheepish in front of Ennis that morning, didn't he? :) He looked like a little boy caught taking a cookie from the cookie jar. #)
But did you sense what I think was almost a vague smile on Ennis's lips when Jack came out of the tent (Ennis's back towards Jack)? Don't know if this was my imagination...
Jack certainly looked sheepish in front of Ennis that morning, didn't he? :) He looked like a little boy caught taking a cookie from the cookie jar. #)
But did you sense what I think was almost a vague smile on Ennis's lips when Jack came out of the tent (Ennis's back towards Jack)? Don't know if this was my imagination...
Did you say cookie? :*(
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it was some cookie... ::)
Yeah, Jack looked so guilty there, but at the same time stubborn to fight for what he thought it was right! <^( <^( <^(
I don't see that smile... I believe that they were both puzzled, but both believing that Jack is a more guilty one!
I haven't seen his smile,but I'll be more attentive next time...It wouldn't be strange to me,however,because he was in that moment a mixture of feelings and reactions,even if the basis was different from Jack's one.Maybe this last one was afraid of Ennis running away,but Ennis was doubtful about running or staying but pleased too.
I didn't catch a smile from Ennis the next morning. I thought of it as confusion more than anything.
I didn't catch a smile from Ennis the next morning. I thought of it as confusion more than anything.
To be sure, there was certainly a lot of confusion -- you defintiely see it on his face. Perhaps I am wrong to interpret the look as a "smile" -- but I wish I could find a picture of that scene and show you what I really mean...
I know that one never sees the pic of Ennis that morning at his horse, but how I love the pic of Jack on my Screensaver!! (Red faced & all)!!! I'm a Jack girl!
I know that one never sees the pic of Ennis that morning at his horse, but how I love the pic of Jack on my Screensaver!! (Red faced & all)!!! I'm a Jack girl!
I wonder whether Jack half-expected that Ennis would use the "I was drunk" excuse the next morning? Or perhaps Jack half-assumed that Ennis would claim that he remembered nothing of the previous night because he was drunk...
Either "half" assumption wouldn't have been off base. Let's face it....Ennis quickly pointed out "You know I ain't queer." Ennis wasn't the first man to make it with another guy and still see himself as straight. Jack actually came out pretty good here. A third possible outcome from that morning after could have resulted in Jack getting his butt kicked. I'm pretty sure it's happened before in similar situations. In this case Jack was safe because Ennis obviously felt something for him.
Either "half" assumption wouldn't have been off base. Let's face it....Ennis quickly pointed out "You know I ain't queer." Ennis wasn't the first man to make it with another guy and still see himself as straight. Jack actually came out pretty good here. A third possible outcome from that morning after could have resulted in Jack getting his butt kicked. I'm pretty sure it's happened before in similar situations. In this case Jack was safe because Ennis obviously felt something for him.
Hm... :s)... hadn't Jack already gotten his butt kicked the night before (in a way)... ;)
I don't see how Ennis could be doing what he did in the tent, and in the morning kick Jack's but... ???
But yes, Ennis felt something for jack, and Jack sensed that. <^(
You'd be surprised at how conflicted some people are, especially when it comes to such feelings. I would say that contradictory reactions are quite common, although I only know of one instance where an acquaintance wencountered such contradictory behavior (the other guy was a seminarian-to-be!)
thomas
I've always thought that this was another marvel of how clever Proulx, McMurtry, and Ossana are. Jack's the instigator, but then in a surprising reversal, he's the one that gets, ahem, "imposed" upon (even if willingly). If FNIT had been more one sided, one man doing the instigating and forcing the action, then there would be much more reason for one or the other of the men to feel either hostile or embarrassed towards the other. As it was, the "blame" or reward is seemingly equally divided. As Jack instigated the action, maybe he did feel a little guilty, but he was also concerned that Ennis might feel even more guilt for being so forceful and making Jack submissive. Jack's "See you for supper " comment is just a way to assure Ennis (as he does again SNIT) that it's alright. JMHO
thomas
I've always thought that this was another marvel of how clever Proulx, McMurtry, and Ossana are. Jack's the instigator, but then in a surprising reversal, he's the one that gets, ahem, "imposed" upon (even if willingly). If FNIT had been more one sided, one man doing the instigating and forcing the action, then there would be much more reason for one or the other of the men to feel either hostile or embarrassed towards the other. As it was, the "blame" or reward is seemingly equally divided. As Jack instigated the action, maybe he did feel a little guilty, but he was also concerned that Ennis might feel even more guilt for being so forceful and making Jack submissive. Jack's "See you for supper " comment is just a way to assure Ennis (as he does again SNIT) that it's alright. JMHO
Yes,a very interesting point of view,Jackster ¡.In this way,the feeling of guilt remains a little more divided and equilibrating between the both of them; in Jack case,for having been the instigator who woke up a desire that was there,only waiting for someone to do it.And in Ennis case,because he had token the initiative,developing in a whole what has been only a "sketch",and,moreover,for having made Jack feeling a little dominated and submissive in the relationship.
Nevertheless,someone has said that this last one surely didn't want to arrive so far away that night,that maybe he felt even surprised and overflowed by Ennis impetus...I disagree partially;Jack clearly had more experience in sex matters,at the point that maybe Ennis wasn't his first man in the complete sense of the word.He knew,consequently,how to play seduction game much better than a shy and afraid of his own feelings and reactions country boy.So,from the very moment he took Ennis hand he knew for sure that he was going to play that game until the end,no matter what this end was and developed.(Speaking clearly,he knew for sure that he was going to f*** or being f***ed...).A rather different thing is that he thought that there was going to be more foreplay,more kisses and caresses that,contradictorily,Ennis wasn't willing to give so easily; IMO,we see in a moment of this scene,how Jack seems to want kissing Ennis,and this one rejects it.maybe because it's too much intimacy for it-or,let's say,intimacy in another greater and deeper sense than simply f*** someone).In this sense,then,I don't think that Jack got surprised for what happenned,but only a little confused before Ennis so strong and direct reaction.JMHO.
It seems to me as if Ennis did'nt trust his own feelings insisting on sleeping outside in the icey cold when he could've taken Jack's offer to sleep in the tent in the first place. Why sleep outside if his feelings toward Jack were simply of a platonic nature, just two two good "buddies" bedding down for the night? Maybe his feared Jack would know if he became aroused sleeping in such close quarters?
Very thoughtful comments here.
Yes, I did notice how Jack seemed to have just reached out for Ennis hand, as if he knew where it was before-hand. I have always been intrigued by this detail. And the comment about Jack having something like a good dream is close to what I had also surmised about this.
As for Ennis no wanting to share the tent with Jack initially, I must admit that I did assume that he did this as a way to gurard himself againt "possibilities". In short, I also interpreteted this in such a way that Ennis probably didn't trust himself or even Jack if they slept in close physical proximity with each other...
Halito, all. FNIT...as I was watching the movie I knew something was going to happen sooner or later, just from what I had heard about it. But the FNIT, when things DID start happening, I said to my Mom, "Jack's getting ready to do somethin' here", and he did. The whole scene made me recoil at first. I had expected something different I suppose. Love BBM, Hawaii (I could live there) and these forums.
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