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The Movie & Story => Characters, Quotes & Scenes => Topic started by: tpe on Jun 12, 2006, 04:05 PM
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There are very very few scenes in the movie where you don't see either Ennis or Jack (such as the scene between Cassie and Alma Jr., although Ennis was not very far away).
Name the scene with Ennis (without Jack) that impressed you the most, or touched you somehow.
Name the scene with Jack (without Ennis) that your found most wonderful (whether happy or sad).
For me, The most wonderful Ennis scene is when he waits for Jack in anticipation of the reunion. His impatience and anticipation is beautiful to behold. The smile we see when he realizes that Jack has arrived -- a treasure.
For Jack, it is when he drives the truck to Mexico after being turned away by Ennis. It is painful to an infinite power.
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Jack dreaming up on the dark mountain, watching the fire that's both a sign of Ennis's camp and a symbol of Ennis's meaning to him.
Ennis on the phone to Lureen, confronting the death of Jack and the loss of love.
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oh my tpe, what a difficult one! I think the one Ennis scene that affected me the most was the one where he broke down in the alley, after leaving Brokeback. I near enough broke my heart watching him breaking his own.....heartbreaking, and incredible acting.
I think I'll have to agree with you on the Jack one.....leaving Ennis after being rejected, to go to Mexico for solace. Heartbreaking. I keep using this word, but it is so true.
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oh my tpe, what a difficult one! I think the one Ennis scene that affected me the most was the one where he broke down in the alley, after leaving Brokeback. I near enough broke my heart watching him breaking his own.....heartbreaking, and incredible acting.
I think I'll have to agree with you on the Jack one.....leaving Ennis after being rejected, to go to Mexico for solace. Heartbreaking. I keep using this word, but it is so true.
Christie, you have a wonderful sense of balance in your selection of scenes.
I can't change my choices, but I wish yours were mine!
Not that the Ennis scene I selected was wanting! :)
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With Ennis: The scene where ennis leaves after the FNIT, taking his own "via dolorosa" and searching his feelings and thoughts.
With Jack: When hi is on the mountain, smoking, and looking down on the camp, where Ennis is.
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With Ennis: The scene where ennis leaves after the FNIT, taking his own "via dolorosa" and searching his feelings and thoughts.
So full of dark foreboding... The "death" music is also quite effective here in prefiguring what is to come.
With Jack: When hi is on the mountain, smoking, and looking down on the camp, where Ennis is.
I love this scene -- so early on into the movie. The eyes and the smile. Gentle.
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Ennis waiting for Jack! does that count...Alma appears a little too..but Ennis is mainly on his own...if not,..then ennis going to the post office to post the "You bet" card
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Ennis waiting for Jack! does that count...Alma appears a little too..but Ennis is mainly on his own...if not,..then ennis going to the post office to post the "You bet" card
Ennis can be with other characters, and same with Jack. The only criterion is that they don't appear together. :)
All the scenes where they appear together -- they are all memorable.
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Ennis waiting for Jack! does that count...Alma appears a little too..but Ennis is mainly on his own...if not,..then ennis going to the post office to post the "You bet" card
Ennis can be with other characters, and same with Jack. The only criterion is that they don't appear together. :)
All the scenes where they appear together -- they are all memorable.
So for me these two are the most memorable..building up to that kiss!!!
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Ennis waiting for Jack! does that count...Alma appears a little too..but Ennis is mainly on his own...if not,..then ennis going to the post office to post the "You bet" card
Ennis can be with other characters, and same with Jack. The only criterion is that they don't appear together. :)
All the scenes where they appear together -- they are all memorable.
So for me these two are the most memorable..building up to that kiss!!!
Even these two do not prepare us for the power of that kiss!
They are wonderful!
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My choices :
The hopefull look on Jack's face when he asks Aguirre: "Ennis del Mar ain't been around, has he?"...
Like he was holding his breath, thinking of how would be seeing Ennis again.
Ennis' waiting for Jack. I love how anxious he is to see Jack, the way he paces, sits staring out the window, worries that Jack won't show and then the almost palpable excitement when he hears the truck pull in. Lovely
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Loved the Ennis pacing scene before the reunion..
but how can anyone leave out the whole final scene(s) with Ennis and Alma Jr. and the "closet" WOW!! I just got it!! Both of the boys had the shirts in the closet
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One of the scenes with Ennis that makes me cry every time is after they leave brokeback for the first time and Ennis goes into the shaded area and breaks down..
Ennis waiting for Jack at the first reunion ..the anticipation
Jack remembering after that last horrible fight..and Ennis driving away..the tears flow then too
Jack driving up to Ennis after Ennis divorce and then driving to Mexico after he feels rejected..one scene full of hope and the other full of pain and sadness..
Ennis holding the shirts at the end of the movie and when he sitting in Jack's room..that whole scene is so heartbreaking
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tpe, what a wonderful idea for a thread!!
Ennis: waiting for Jack to arrive, nervously snapping his lighter open and closed, pacing, and drinking. Contrasted with that smile when he finally arrives!!
Jack: dancing with Lureen. There's one moment when he's looking over her shoulder and you can just see the desolation in his eyes. He wishes she were Ennis. For me, Jack never looks more alone than in this scene--it epitomizes the way he always longs for Ennis, in every situation.
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My choices :
The hopefull look on Jack's face when he asks Aguirre: "Ennis del Mar ain't been around, has he?"...
Like he was holding his breath, thinking of how would be seeing Ennis again.
frances, you just reminded me that I would want a screencap of this scene... Beautifully said.
Ennis' waiting for Jack. I love how anxious he is to see Jack, the way he paces, sits staring out the window, worries that Jack won't show and then the almost palpable excitement when he hears the truck pull in. Lovely
The smile always fills me with happiness. How can one not share in his happiness?
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Loved the Ennis pacing scene before the reunion..
but how can anyone leave out the whole final scene(s) with Ennis and Alma Jr. and the "closet" WOW!! I just got it!! Both of the boys had the shirts in the closet
Welcome mrskutz.
You are right here. These scenes are powerful. They disprove the contention that BBM is a sentimental love story. It is a love story with sentiment -- and power.
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One of the scenes with Ennis that makes me cry every time is after they leave brokeback for the first time and Ennis goes into the shaded area and breaks down..
Ennis waiting for Jack at the first reunion ..the anticipation
Jack remembering after that last horrible fight..and Ennis driving away..the tears flow then too
Jack driving up to Ennis after Ennis divorce and then driving to Mexico after he feels rejected..one scene full of hope and the other full of pain and sadness..
Ennis holding the shirts at the end of the movie and when he sitting in Jack's room..that whole scene is so heartbreaking
Sunflower79 , like Christie, you show a sense of beautiful balance in these choices.
In both scenes: pain and sadness. Deep pain. Infinite sadness.
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Jack: dancing with Lureen. There's one moment when he's looking over her shoulder and you can just see the desolation in his eyes. He wishes she were Ennis. For me, Jack never looks more alone than in this scene--it epitomizes the way he always longs for Ennis, in every situation.
God.
Indeed, it is the abomination of desolation. The eyes tell all. You know that at that moment, HE IS ALONE.
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jack: after aguirre telling him that his uncle is in the hospital, agiurre looks threw his binocular up to ennis, who is on the mountain at that time. jack seemes to be confused, what aguirre is looking at or why he is looking at ennis, so he turns around a bit a follows aguirres view. i don't know.. i love the way he looks here and the way he moves..
(hope you know what i mean, was a bad explaination)
ennis: the first scenes, waiting outside the trailer; waiting for jack; the little smile to cassie when they get to know each other and the way he says his name to her: ennis... del mar!
and of course all the others you alredy mentioned. ;)
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oh my tpe, what a difficult one! I think the one Ennis scene that affected me the most was the one where he broke down in the alley, after leaving Brokeback. I near enough broke my heart watching him breaking his own.....heartbreaking, and incredible acting.
I think I'll have to agree with you on the Jack one.....leaving Ennis after being rejected, to go to Mexico for solace. Heartbreaking. I keep using this word, but it is so true.
I agree :)
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I love all of the scenes mentioned here.
Jack: That look of love in his eyes after Ennis rides away in the flashback scene. He was so content in that love-so very much in love with Ennis.
Ennis- it's a sad one. When he finds the shirts. To me when he realizes what they are it looks like he could vomit- like so many emotions come surging through him all at once and it's too much for him. The way he puts his hand on the shirt and then embraces his Jack. :\'(
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Ennis, the scene when he's waiting for Jack after 4 years, smoking, drinking beer and being more and more depressed by the waiting until he hears Jack's truck, he looks at the window, smiles, and rush outside to yell Jack F*ckin Twist :-\\
Jack, feeling rejected and crying after the divorce scene, driving to Mexico... and when he picks up this male prostitute, he looks so sad :-\\ :\'(
Looks like we have another killer thread :\'( :\'( :\'(
I'll never cure from Brokeback Mountain :(
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You're all right. It's too hard to choose officially. But I'll go with:
Jack - the drive to Mexico (heartbreak you could actually physically feel)
Ennis - finding the shirts (ditto)
How could anyone not love them?!
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Just when I thought I might go one day without a tear shed for our boys, you all bring up again the most moving moments, little bruises to the heart. :\'( I love all your choices and they've brought back the sweetest and most bitter-sweet of memories. ^f^
My choices (at this moment, anyway :-\\ )
Ennis: I have to agree with everyone who picked the waiting for Jack before the reunion kiss scene. His nerves and anticipation just vibrate out of his body. Has a lover ever been awaited with such intense longing before??? All possibilities are before him at this moment and all possibilities start and end with his Jack.
Jack: The Thanksgiving scene. It's like watching the fall out of the divorce misunderstanding and his going to Mexico. I think here we see the way Jack has been irreversibly altered by those events. He has been tempered like steel, and now will not bend to the world at every push; he's learned to push back. It's heartbreaking but inevitable.
And FlwrChld, you speak such truth .. how could anyone not love them???
Tpe ... you have again started us on another emotional path. Thank you! :-*
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jack: after aguirre telling him that his uncle is in the hospital, agiurre looks threw his binocular up to ennis, who is on the mountain at that time. jack seemes to be confused, what aguirre is looking at or why he is looking at ennis, so he turns around a bit a follows aguirres view. i don't know.. i love the way he looks here and the way he moves..
(hope you know what i mean, was a bad explaination)
Hanna, I think I do know what you mean here (you said it beautifully). To me, he looked puzzled and a bit helpless.
ennis: the first scenes, waiting outside the trailer; waiting for jack; the little smile to cassie when they get to know each other and the way he says his name to her: ennis... del mar!
and of course all the others you alredy mentioned. ;)
Yes, the smile he gives Cassie is quite interesting, no? Thank you for mentioning that. It is so quizzical. The same with Ennis's smile when he says "No more dancing for me I hope.".
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oh my tpe, what a difficult one! I think the one Ennis scene that affected me the most was the one where he broke down in the alley, after leaving Brokeback. I near enough broke my heart watching him breaking his own.....heartbreaking, and incredible acting.
I think I'll have to agree with you on the Jack one.....leaving Ennis after being rejected, to go to Mexico for solace. Heartbreaking. I keep using this word, but it is so true.
I agree :)
Yes, I do think these represent a perfectly matched set of choices. Beautifully balanced.
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I love all of the scenes mentioned here.
Jack: That look of love in his eyes after Ennis rides away in the flashback scene. He was so content in that love-so very much in love with Ennis.
Ennis- it's a sad one. When he finds the shirts. To me when he realizes what they are it looks like he could vomit- like so many emotions come surging through him all at once and it's too much for him. The way he puts his hand on the shirt and then embraces his Jack. :\'(
Interesting. Because these are the two scenes in the movie when I invariably shed tears.
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Ennis, the scene when he's waiting for Jack after 4 years, smoking, drinking beer and being more and more depressed by the waiting until he hears Jack's truck, he looks at the window, smiles, and rush outside to yell Jack F*ckin Twist :-\\
Jack, feeling rejected and crying after the divorce scene, driving to Mexico... and when he picks up this male prostitute, he looks so sad :-\\ :\'(
Looks like we have another killer thread :\'( :\'( :\'(
I'll never cure from Brokeback Mountain :(
Pierre, did you notice that we chose exactly the same scenes here? Thank you. :)
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You're all right. It's too hard to choose officially. But I'll go with:
Jack - the drive to Mexico (heartbreak you could actually physically feel)
Ennis - finding the shirts (ditto)
How could anyone not love them?!
You are right, FlwrChild. It is hard for me to think of how anybody would not love them at movie's end -- in spite of all their faults (perhaps it is more accurate to say: BECAUSE of their faults.)
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Just when I thought I might go one day without a tear shed for our boys, you all bring up again the most moving moments, little bruises to the heart. :\'( I love all your choices and they've brought back the sweetest and most bitter-sweet of memories. ^f^
My choices (at this moment, anyway :-\\ )
Ennis: I have to agree with everyone who picked the waiting for Jack before the reunion kiss scene. His nerves and anticipation just vibrate out of his body. Has a lover ever been awaited with such intense longing before??? All possibilities are before him at this moment and all possibilities start and end with his Jack.
Jack: The Thanksgiving scene. It's like watching the fall out of the divorce misunderstanding and his going to Mexico. I think here we see the way Jack has been irreversibly altered by those events. He has been tempered like steel, and now will not bend to the world at every push; he's learned to push back. It's heartbreaking but inevitable.
And FlwrChld, you speak such truth .. how could anyone not love them???
Tpe ... you have again started us on another emotional path. Thank you! :-*
Your Jack scene is quite beautifully articulated. "He has been tempered like steel...". This is quite beautiful. Perfect.
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frances, you just reminded me that I would want a screencap of this scene... Beautifully said.
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The smile always fills me with happiness. How can one not share in his happiness?
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frances, you just reminded me that I would want a screencap of this scene... Beautifully said.
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The smile always fills me with happiness. How can one not share in his happiness?
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Dear Patriot1. Although I cannot see the pix at the moment, I thank you and am hoping to enjoy these later!
So many beautiful scenes in this movie. So many impossible choices...
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I love all of the scenes mentioned here.
Jack: That look of love in his eyes after Ennis rides away in the flashback scene. He was so content in that love-so very much in love with Ennis.
Ennis- it's a sad one. When he finds the shirts. To me when he realizes what they are it looks like he could vomit- like so many emotions come surging through him all at once and it's too much for him. The way he puts his hand on the shirt and then embraces his Jack. :\'(
Interesting. Because these are the two scenes in the movie when I invariably shed tears.
Oh me too! The same goes for the divorce scene when Jack is driving away. It's hard to pick one scene because they all speak for themselves and so powerfully.
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Just when I thought I might go one day without a tear shed for our boys, you all bring up again the most moving moments, little bruises to the heart. :\'( I love all your choices and they've brought back the sweetest and most bitter-sweet of memories. ^f^
My choices (at this moment, anyway :-\\ )
Ennis: I have to agree with everyone who picked the waiting for Jack before the reunion kiss scene. His nerves and anticipation just vibrate out of his body. Has a lover ever been awaited with such intense longing before??? All possibilities are before him at this moment and all possibilities start and end with his Jack.
Jack: The Thanksgiving scene. It's like watching the fall out of the divorce misunderstanding and his going to Mexico. I think here we see the way Jack has been irreversibly altered by those events. He has been tempered like steel, and now will not bend to the world at every push; he's learned to push back. It's heartbreaking but inevitable.
And FlwrChld, you speak such truth .. how could anyone not love them???
Tpe ... you have again started us on another emotional path. Thank you! :-*
Your Jack scene is quite beautifully articulated. "He has been tempered like steel...". This is quite beautiful. Perfect.
I agree- perfect!
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I love all of the scenes mentioned here.
Jack: That look of love in his eyes after Ennis rides away in the flashback scene. He was so content in that love-so very much in love with Ennis.
Ennis- it's a sad one. When he finds the shirts. To me when he realizes what they are it looks like he could vomit- like so many emotions come surging through him all at once and it's too much for him. The way he puts his hand on the shirt and then embraces his Jack. :\'(
Interesting. Because these are the two scenes in the movie when I invariably shed tears.
Oh me too! The same goes for the divorce scene when Jack is driving away. It's hard to pick one scene because they all speak for themselves and so powerfully.
I really found it surpsiring that I am most moved by these two scenes when I was at the theatres. Because, they are so quiet -- in a certain sense. No big dramatics. No big emotional outpourings. And yet... And yet...
The first is so beautifully contented. The second is so serene in deep sadness.
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tpe, I think it's the quieter scenes I tend to respond to more. So many times, the loud, overdramatic ones feel forced. Whereas nothing felt forced in this movie and they both expressed so much through their eyes and their posture. Sheer gold across the board.
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tpe, I think it's the quieter scenes I tend to respond to more. So many times, the loud, overdramatic ones feel forced. Whereas nothing felt forced in this movie and they both expressed so much through their eyes and their posture. Sheer gold across the board.
Pure gold. :)
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To a degree it was a movie about silence, which in itslef makes it unusual. When Jack or Ennis were alone on the mountain there was always the mountain and the wind, and even when they were together. Ang managed to identify them with forces and manifestations of nature, which made them universal to us.
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To a degree it was a movie about silence, which in itslef makes it unusual. When Jack or Ennis were alone on the mountain there was always the mountain and the wind, and even when they were together. Ang managed to identify them with forces and manifestations of nature, which made them universal to us.
The silences are so eloquent that they are more beautiful than words. A look is pregrant with meaning. A gaze becomes greater than any termof endearment.
I agree, silence is what makes BBM so universal. If words were to replace this, it would become more restrictive, more narrow.
With silence, their love is made palpable to the exigencies of the heart.
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Thomas I did not realized we picked up the same scenes but you for sure created some killer thread
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And I also like the scenes where they're looking to (toward) each other on the mountain; Jack from above and Ennis from camp. I thought Ang Lee beautifully brought to life this passage from the book:
"During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain."
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Thomas I did not realized we picked up the same scenes but you for sure created some killer thread
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In a way, I am glad that I do not see these pictures now.
They will overwhelm me with feeling.
Thanks Pierre. I await the dreaded pleasure you award us here.
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Heartbreakingly beautiful Pierre!
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With all the insightful words and beautiful screencaps in this thread, it's like seeing BBM all over again, with the usual teary response. And this is WITHOUT the scenes of them together! As FlwrChld said earlier ... pure gold!
<^(
And I love what you said about those scenes of them looking off toward each other in the distance, FlwrChld ... there is a poignancy to those scenes that is so very sweet. Good choice and description, thank you!
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Jack - after the divorce scene.
Ennis - eating his pie alone.
All i can really say is that i find the sadness of both these scenes so intense, and so heartbreakingly real it is almost impossible to watch, but even more impossible to tear eyes away.
:\'( :\'( :\'(
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Thanke everyone.
That Pie scene: and to think it was meant as a "relief" scene after the confrontation of the last meeting!
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Thanke everyone.
That Pie scene: and to think it was meant as a "relief" scene after the confrontation of the last meeting!
I felt sadder for having seen it!
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Jack - after the divorce scene.
Ennis - eating his pie alone.
All i can really say is that i find the sadness of both these scenes so intense, and so heartbreakingly real it is almost impossible to watch, but even more impossible to tear eyes away.
:\'( :\'( :\'(
The pie scene: it is affecting to see the utter lack of appetite with which Ennis eats the pie... Perhaps he resorts to eating sweets because he can't talk himself into eating anything more substantial... He is in dire straits.
Concerning the silences that welshwitch brought up: Remember when JG was on Leno. The clip chosen was the goodbye outside the trailer after the summer on Brokeback. JG said that the movie was as much about what they don't say to each other as about what they do say.
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Jack - after the divorce scene.
Ennis - eating his pie alone.
All i can really say is that i find the sadness of both these scenes so intense, and so heartbreakingly real it is almost impossible to watch, but even more impossible to tear eyes away.
:\'( :\'( :\'(
The pie scene: it is affecting to see the utter lack of appetite with which Ennis eats the pie... Perhaps he resorts to eating sweets because he can't talk himself into eating anything more substantial... He is in dire straits.
Concerning the silences that welshwitch brought up: Remember when JG was on Leno. The clip chosen was the goodbye outside the trailer after the summer on Brokeback. JG said that the movie was as much about what they don't say to each other as about what they do say.
Yes, I rememeber. It is all about the things left unsaid. It is all about the things left unfinished, unfulfilled, unsuspected...
It is the poetry of silence.
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Jack - after the divorce scene.
Ennis - eating his pie alone.
All i can really say is that i find the sadness of both these scenes so intense, and so heartbreakingly real it is almost impossible to watch, but even more impossible to tear eyes away.
:\'( :\'( :\'(
The pie scene: it is affecting to see the utter lack of appetite with which Ennis eats the pie... Perhaps he resorts to eating sweets because he can't talk himself into eating anything more substantial... He is in dire straits.
Concerning the silences that welshwitch brought up: Remember when JG was on Leno. The clip chosen was the goodbye outside the trailer after the summer on Brokeback. JG said that the movie was as much about what they don't say to each other as about what they do say.
Yes, I rememeber. It is all about the things left unsaid. It is all about the things left unfinished, unfulfilled, unsuspected...
It is the poetry of silence.
Sigh I shall just sadly sit here and soak it all in. Quite beautiful.
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Great thread, thanks tpe :)
My favourite Jack without Ennis scene is quite an easy choice for me, but it might be a bit controversial for some. It's the whole bit where he meets Lureen. I think they would have made a really good couple if they had met in some sort of parallell universe where Jack wasn't gay, they look good together,and there's definitely a spark of chemistry between them. I know part of the attraction for Jack was her dad's money, but he was still interested enough to ask the barman about her in the first place. Of course, Lureen falls under his spell the minute she sets eyes on him, but Jack must have been used to having women fall at his feet, so I think it was more than just being flattered that she fancied him,there was definitely an attraction there, maybe not in a totally sexual way, and certainly not even comparable to Ennis, but Jack is drawn to her. Another thing I like is how Jack goes, as someone summed it up perfectly on another thread, from "predator" to "prey", with Lureen. They both have the same go-get-'em approach to men,which is probably part of the attraction for Jack, and it's so sweet, but also kind of funny and sad (not to mention seriously sexy! :d) ;)) all at once,to see him looking so nervous and unsure of himself,but still managing to cover it up and come across as Mr Stud-you-like, with that "fast or slow..." line <^(
But as much as I love these scenes, the one that gets me is the one of Jack looking desolately into the distance when he's dancing with Lureen. I can't get over how brilliantly shot that scene is, with Lureen gazing into Jack's eyes, mentally screaming at him to kiss her, Jack tilting his head slightly, the back of Lureen's head, and then, when you expect to see them kissing, instead you see Jack staring into the distance, wishing it was Ennis he was holding :\'( :\'( :\'(
Sorry to go on about that scene,but you did ask... ;) :)
I'll keep my Ennis choices brief, mainly because it's all been said already, and far better than I ever could :)
I can't choose between waiting for Jack before the reunion kiss, and finding the shirts. Just thinking about the latter can bring tears to my eyes, and the former is just adorable from start to finish :)
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There's a Byron poem that contains the lines:
When we two parted
In silence and tears,
Half broken-hearted
To sever for years
that i think of when they are parting after the summer of Brokeback.
The eloquent communication that comes from silence is oneof the pardoxes the movie exemplifies superbly.
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My favourite Jack without Ennis scene is quite an easy choice for me, but it might be a bit controversial for some. It's the whole bit where he meets Lureen. I think they would have made a really good couple if they had met in some sort of parallell universe where Jack wasn't gay, they look good together,and there's definitely a spark of chemistry between them. I know part of the attraction for Jack was her dad's money, but he was still interested enough to ask the barman about her in the first place. Of course, Lureen falls under his spell the minute she sets eyes on him, but Jack must have been used to having women fall at his feet, so I think it was more than just being flattered that she fancied him,there was definitely an attraction there, maybe not in a totally sexual way, and certainly not even comparable to Ennis, but Jack is drawn to her. Another thing I like is how Jack goes, as someone summed it up perfectly on another thread, from "predator" to "prey", with Lureen. They both have the same go-get-'em approach to men,which is probably part of the attraction for Jack, and it's so sweet, but also kind of funny and sad (not to mention seriously sexy! :d) ;)) all at once,to see him looking so nervous and unsure of himself,but still managing to cover it up and come across as Mr Stud-you-like, with that "fast or slow..." line <^(
But as much as I love these scenes, the one that gets me is the one of Jack looking desolately into the distance when he's dancing with Lureen. I can't get over how brilliantly shot that scene is, with Lureen gazing into Jack's eyes, mentally screaming at him to kiss her, Jack tilting his head slightly, the back of Lureen's head, and then, when you expect to see them kissing, instead you see Jack staring into the distance, wishing it was Ennis he was holding :\'( :\'( :\'(
Sorry to go on about that scene,but you did ask... ;) :)
I have always found Jack's face superlatively beautiful and vulnerable at that moment when he hands Lureen her hat ("ma'am...") And who does not melt when he look's at the aggressive Lureen approach him and demand a dance (the "who, me?" type of look.) Who can miss the deep significance in his look when he dances with Lureen? And what about the controlled desire that informs his face when he makes love to her in the car? Finally, who does not feel the wound and isolation when he is left out by Lureen's family when Bobby is born?
These scenes define Jack as much as Lureen. They are spendid sequences. They inform us of Jack's inner life. What we see is gentle, unsure, and wanting so much to love and be loved.
Splendid.
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There's a Byron poem that contains the lines:
When we two parted
In silence and tears,
Half broken-hearted
To sever for years
that i think of when they are parting after the summer of Brokeback.
The eloquent communication that comes from silence is oneof the pardoxes the movie exemplifies superbly.
Is it not so very ironic that in this parting scene, they are seen together, BUT THEY ARE REALLY NOT TOGETHER. They do not connect. They refuse to connect. It is ironic that each one is alone when they are together in this one scene...
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And I always thought there was just something so perfect about the posture (for lack of a better descriptive?) of both of them as well as the timing in the way they turned from each other to go; Jack to get in his truck and Ennis to walk away. I don't really know how to describe what I mean, but it catches me every time.
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And I always thought there was just something so perfect about the posture (for lack of a better descriptive?) of both of them as well as the timing in the way they turned from each other to go; Jack to get in his truck and Ennis to walk away. I don't really know how to describe what I mean, but it catches me every time.
Let me define then these two scenes of a painful, so exquisite balance.
For Jack: When he drives away and looks at the receding Ennis from the rear-view mirror. Eyes of infinite regret...
For Ennis: When he crumples in the alley, full of repressed love and desire.
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And that's what it is to deny what you are, or be afraid to try to attain what you know is what you most need. One can't confront himself, and the other doesn't know how to confront him. They're each sealed in their own little capsule, hurtling through the darkness of space, with only emtiness and cold outside.
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I think I need to watch this again tonight. I think they need me to watch over them when they're hurting.
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I so love the separation scene.
For all that is left unsaid, the heart cannot help but see. The heart cannot help but understand. The heart cannot help but love them.
The heart cannot help but love.
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And I always thought there was just something so perfect about the posture (for lack of a better descriptive?) of both of them as well as the timing in the way they turned from each other to go; Jack to get in his truck and Ennis to walk away. I don't really know how to describe what I mean, but it catches me every time.
Oh I am so loving reading everyone's choices of Ennis and Jack scenes....I think I will still stick with mine, but that's not to say I dont agree with the descriptions of the others everyone here has chosen....they are all wonderful too.
I love what you say flwrchild about this scene, because I have often been struck by how they stood, or held themselves, in certain scenes (the outside aguirre's trailer being a prime one, but that is for another thread), and wasnt it incredible how their posture defined who they were? Jack was looking at Ennis head on, he was the one who instigated the "gonna do this again next summer". Whereas contrast that to Ennis, who is leaning on Jack's truck, side on to Jack, head down, hardly looking at Jack. And then the timing as you say when they get to go.....Ennis, obviously not wanting to go, but not knowing what to do, pulls himself up from the truck and walks away, and once Ennis has done that, Jack follows suit by getting in to the truck, because again, what else can he do?
Sorry, I dont know if I have explained myself well here either flwrchild, but basically, I get what you were saying and it gets me every time...its the utter heartbreak of the situation.
This is probably o/t to, tpe...sorry. ~)
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Remember Forster? Only connect.
But it wasn't enough for Ennis and Jack.
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I'm also sorry if we've gone OT, but yes, you do get exactly what I was trying to say. Thank you.
And to get back on topic, if I were to pick another two 'alone' scenes, they would be:
Jack: On the way to Ennis after the divorce (which is so sad to watch now, knowing his heartbreak to come)
Ennis: Waiting for Jack the first time he visits. I too Love that smile when he sees Jack's truck!
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FlwrChild, we thank you. :)
In the scene with Jack you selected, you add the twist of the knife: he is so happy before the fall... I did not expect this at all...
Christie and welshwitch, there are digressions that make a journey meaningful, if only to add depth. Thanks.
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I think I need to watch this again tonight. I think they need me to watch over them when they're hurting.
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Now I will think of you, thinking of them, as they think of each other from afar ... #)
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So many great choices, here, and I agree with the "controversial" choice of Jack meeting Lureen as a favorite. I could just eat him up with a spoon in that scene he's so irresistible.
Among my very favorite Jack-only and Ennis-only scenes are adjacent ones.
Jack's whole face smiles so broadly as his in-laws come to visit his wife and new son, but it's clear as the scene goes on how it's going to be. He's nothing in their eyes. It's right after this that the post card arrives in Riverton, and I've always seen this scene as a turning point for Jack. He understands he belongs with Ennis.
The following scene when Ennis gets that first postcard holds so much to me. How his lips move unconsciously as he re-reads the card. How his thumb -- still damp from having just washed his hands -- frays the back of the postcard as he rubs it. How he instinctively knows to hide the truth of Jack by calling him a fishing buddy. And finally how he replies in true Ennis nature with two simple words "You bet" on a plain postcard. I find this scene among my favorites.
I definitely agree with many others posted here...in particular how Ennis acts waiting for Jack to come to Riverton and when he hears the truck. But I think these two scenes are somewhat underrated.
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Wonderful choices, dalemidex! You've given me renewed appreciation for them. ^f^
And congratuations on posting 200!!! :cr)
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So many great choices, here, and I agree with the "controversial" choice of Jack meeting Lureen as a favorite. I could just eat him up with a spoon in that scene he's so irresistible.
Among my very favorite Jack-only and Ennis-only scenes are adjacent ones.
Jack's whole face smiles so broadly as his in-laws come to visit his wife and new son, but it's clear as the scene goes on how it's going to be. He's nothing in their eyes. It's right after this that the post card arrives in Riverton, and I've always seen this scene as a turning point for Jack. He understands he belongs with Ennis.
The following scene when Ennis gets that first postcard holds so much to me. How his lips move unconsciously as he re-reads the card. How his thumb -- still damp from having just washed his hands -- frays the back of the postcard as he rubs it. How he instinctively knows to hide the truth of Jack by calling him a fishing buddy. And finally how he replies in true Ennis nature with two simple words "You bet" on a plain postcard. I find this scene among my favorites.
I definitely agree with many others posted here...in particular how Ennis acts waiting for Jack to come to Riverton and when he hears the truck. But I think these two scenes are somewhat underrated.
Jack's realization that he is an outsider in his own family -- yes, that face is priceless. The expression, so willing initially to please and to accomodate, quickly realizes where his place is among his in-laws.
And the quiet build-up of Ennis's exceitement at Jack's renewed appearance in his life? The almost impreceptible tinge of delight that peeps out at us in that singular scene -- a quiet joy to behold.
I join MississaugaRed in congratulating you on your 200th post. Every single one of these is a gem. Every single one.
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I join MississaugaRed in congratulating you on your 200th post. Every single one of these is a gem. Every single one.
Thank you both! I knew I was teetering on the brink of becoming an "Alma". Tom, If I think of it I'll drop you a line the next time I have a Chicago client and perhaps we can meet in person sometime.
I really like this thread. There are so many scenes between them we focus on that sometimes we overlook great material in others.
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Thank you both! I knew I was teetering on the brink of becoming an "Alma". Tom, If I think of it I'll drop you a line the next time I have a Chicago client and perhaps we can meet in person sometime.
I really like this thread. There are so many scenes between them we focus on that sometimes we overlook great material in others.
The pleasure will be mine. :)
Wish you could come to Montreal...
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What an excellent thread...and what a hard choice to make, so I'm going to cheat and pick one happy and one sad scene from Ennis and two bitter sweet ones from Jack if that's ok.
Ennis
Waiting for Jack's arrival after four years (damn), particularly once he hears the truck and he rushes to the window. I can't help but smile when he does, and it's such a beautiful smile, his eyes full of love, so happy to be seeing Jack again. <^(
Finding the shirts in the closet at Lightning Flat. The build up to the moment is heart breaking enough, but then when he holds the shirts, realising how much Jack loved him, and breathes in, hoping to get even the merest scent of him from them, I just come undone every time. :\'(
Jack
Singing along to King of the Road on his way to see Ennis after the divorce. He's so excited, truly believing that this is their chance to have that sweet life, so sure that it's all going to work out :-\\
Bobby's birth, when he's pushed out of the picture by the arrival of Lureen's parents, made to feel like an insignificant extra at his own son's birth. So sad, but I guess there's a slightly happy undercurrent, because it's this moment that makes him seek Ennis out by sending the postcard. :-\\
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Ennis: the scene which he cries and throw up against the wall, that was so sad ><
Jack: well can I choose two? the scene that Jack came to Ennis after hearing about the devorce, singing "Kind of the Road" and the crying scene when he leaves, they are contrasting,
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What an excellent thread...and what a hard choice to make, so I'm going to cheat and pick one happy and one sad scene from Ennis and two bitter sweet ones from Jack if that's ok.
Ennis
Waiting for Jack's arrival after four years (damn), particularly once he hears the truck and he rushes to the window. I can't help but smile when he does, and it's such a beautiful smile, his eyes full of love, so happy to be seeing Jack again. <^(
Finding the shirts in the closet at Lightning Flat. The build up to the moment is heart breaking enough, but then when he holds the shirts, realising how much Jack loved him, and breathes in, hoping to get even the merest scent of him from them, I just come undone every time. :\'(
Jack
Singing along to King of the Road on his way to see Ennis after the divorce. He's so excited, truly believing that this is their chance to have that sweet life, so sure that it's all going to work out :-\\
Bobby's birth, when he's pushed out of the picture by the arrival of Lureen's parents, made to feel like an insignificant extra at his own son's birth. So sad, but I guess there's a slightly happy undercurrent, because it's this moment that makes him seek Ennis out by sending the postcard. :-\\
NoReins, I am happy that many of the posters (myself included) agree with you about Ennis waiting for Jack at the beginning of the reunion scene. In his excitement and his impatience -- his eyes, constantly gazing out the window -- and especially in that smile... 4 years was a lifetime of waiting, it seemed.
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Ennis: the scene which he cries and throw up against the wall, that was so sad ><
Jack: well can I choose two? the scene that Jack came to Ennis after hearing about the devorce, singing "Kind of the Road" and the crying scene when he leaves, they are contrasting,
Those scenes with Jack: one of the saddest of bookends in the entire movie.
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Ennis : I like the scene where he has just gotten the supplies and is riding back to the camp right before the bear. He is heard humming a song. Sounds like "streets of Laredo: It give me a different side to his personality, which up to thispointoint has been bottled up.Seems very relaxed too. Jack: Where he's doing the laundry in the nude, shows he cares enough about Ennis to wash his clothes . does he use Tide or Cheer? Smiles.
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The Ennis scene that touches me the most is when he is in the coffee shop with the apple pie.I have said it before on other threads,so probably no surprise there.Heath's face as Ennis,so depressed,not really caring if he eats or not.I almost get the impression he is forcing it down.This scene touches me inside.I can feel his suffering even though i think it's self inflicted.
The Jack scene that impresses me(I am choosing impresses rather then touches,as so many Jack scenes get me) is the thanksgiving dinner.
To see Jack finally snap at LD is pure Gyllenhaal gold.All that pent up frustration,the shifting up and down in his seat,the hand to the head,that says "How much more of this can i take?" i find it all pure genius on Jake's part.He plays it perfectly.
Jennis.x
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Good picks Jennis! Ennis is just so...broken in that scene. And though it is self-inflicted (or maybe because it is self-inlicted) it's utterly heartbreaking.
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Good picks Jennis! Ennis is just so...broken in that scene. And though it is self-inflicted (or maybe because it is self-inlicted) it's utterly heartbreaking.
It is :(...It might seem odd,but it gets me as much as the shirts,if not more.I think it's because he looks so lonely :(
J.x
P.S.You worded it beautifully...Broken :\'(
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Yep, I know Cassie is crying and all, but it's Ennis I really weep for there.
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ennis: my fav is when is when its close to then end of the movie and ennis is putting away alma jr sweater and sees jack and his shirts and said "i swear jack"
jack:is probaly when hes all sad at ennis and is heading off to mexico
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ennis: my fav is when is when its close to then end of the movie and ennis is putting away alma jr sweater and sees jack and his shirts and said "i swear jack"
jack:is probaly when hes all sad at ennis and is heading off to mexico
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ennis: my fav is when is when its close to then end of the movie and ennis is putting away alma jr sweater and sees jack and his shirts and said "i swear jack"
jack:is probaly when hes all sad at ennis and is heading off to mexico
awww these scenes are so sad :-\\
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jack:is probaly when hes all sad at ennis and is heading off to mexico
In this scene, I feel it as if my heart would break.
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jack:is probaly when hes all sad at ennis and is heading off to mexico
In this scene, I feel it as if my heart would break.
I usually find myself talking to the tv at this point, saying:
"I'm sorry, honey. I'm so sorry."
I just can't help myself. :\'(
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jack:is probaly when hes all sad at ennis and is heading off to mexico
In this scene, I feel it as if my heart would break.
I usually find myself talking to the tv at this point, saying:
"I'm sorry, honey. I'm so sorry."
I just can't help myself. :\'(
That scene is all too familiar, I suspect. I think many of us cannot help but relate to the pain. Getting rejected sometime in life is a universal experience. In a sense, one has not learned the true meaning of love without having gone through the fire of rejection.
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Yep, I know Cassie is crying and all, but it's Ennis I really weep for there.
Funny...I definitely like the character of Cassie (I know she's not everybody's favorite) and when I watch that scene I do sometimes cry, and I think it's for her. But in my like for Cassie I think I've failed to really hook up with Ennis in that scene, and just thinking about it right now it feels like a weight in the pit of my stomach.
I think about the pie. What's the point of getting pie? It's not something you eat because you're hungry. It's not hot on nutrition. It's not usually included in a meal (like a roll might be included with a meal at a diner) It's not something people generally even crave. It's not something you *should* eat. No, you get pie as a treat. Because it tastes good. Because it will make you happy.
Ennis is clearly not happy. He probably ordered the pie hoping to enjoy it. That the treat would pick him up. That he'd get some pleasure or happiness out of it. But he simply isn't getting any happiness out of it.
Many of us know the feeling of sub-consciously getting something to eat in the hope it will make us feel better when clearly something other than hunger is wrong. And the hollow feeling of realizing it doesn't help. Even without the important confrontation with Cassie...the thing I've always focused on...an underlying current of the scene is Ennis failing to find happiness even in one of the most basic, simple pacifiers we have: food. In a very base way it speaks volumes about the state of Ennis. Even *before* the confrontation (which itself could lead one to lose one's appetite) Ennis is clearly just going through the motions with that pie.
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dalemidex, that was beautifully put!
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I love the scene when Jack and Ennis have set up camp and we see Jack (the first night alone) sitting up smoking looking down on the camp most likely thinking about Ennis. It is at this point so full of hope, so ripe with possibilities and so laden with thoughts of how the story might develop......and above all...so peaceful...
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I love the scene when Jack and Ennis have set up camp and we see Jack (the first night alone) sitting up smoking looking down on the camp most likely thinking about Ennis. It is at this point so full of hope, so ripe with possibilities and so laden with thoughts of how the story might develop......and above all...so peaceful...
And it is quite a pendant to the scene where Ennis looks up at Jack as Ennis washes the coffee pot by the stream. This is not as peaceful as the Jack scene, but you see Ennis with an anxious look in his face as he sees Jack high up with the sheep. You know from that look that Ennis is starting to care for Jack.
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I love the scene when Jack and Ennis have set up camp and we see Jack (the first night alone) sitting up smoking looking down on the camp most likely thinking about Ennis. It is at this point so full of hope, so ripe with possibilities and so laden with thoughts of how the story might develop......and above all...so peaceful...
And it is quite a pendant to the scene where Ennis looks up at Jack as Ennis washes the coffee pot by the stream. This is not as peaceful as the Jack scene, but you see Ennis with an anxious look in his face as he sees Jack high up with the sheep. You know from that look that Ennis is starting to care for Jack.
great point.........ah if only the movie stayed there........
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I love the scene when Jack and Ennis have set up camp and we see Jack (the first night alone) sitting up smoking looking down on the camp most likely thinking about Ennis. It is at this point so full of hope, so ripe with possibilities and so laden with thoughts of how the story might develop......and above all...so peaceful...
And it is quite a pendant to the scene where Ennis looks up at Jack as Ennis washes the coffee pot by the stream. This is not as peaceful as the Jack scene, but you see Ennis with an anxious look in his face as he sees Jack high up with the sheep. You know from that look that Ennis is starting to care for Jack.
great point.........ah if only the movie stayed there........
Yes, sometimes I wish that the first part of the movie never ended...
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I love the scene when Jack and Ennis have set up camp and we see Jack (the first night alone) sitting up smoking looking down on the camp most likely thinking about Ennis. It is at this point so full of hope, so ripe with possibilities and so laden with thoughts of how the story might develop......and above all...so peaceful...
And it is quite a pendant to the scene where Ennis looks up at Jack as Ennis washes the coffee pot by the stream. This is not as peaceful as the Jack scene, but you see Ennis with an anxious look in his face as he sees Jack high up with the sheep. You know from that look that Ennis is starting to care for Jack.
great point.........ah if only the movie stayed there........
Yes, sometimes I wish that the first part of the movie never ended...
Then again...no one would have had anything to cry about....would they???
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I love the scene when Jack and Ennis have set up camp and we see Jack (the first night alone) sitting up smoking looking down on the camp most likely thinking about Ennis. It is at this point so full of hope, so ripe with possibilities and so laden with thoughts of how the story might develop......and above all...so peaceful...
And it is quite a pendant to the scene where Ennis looks up at Jack as Ennis washes the coffee pot by the stream. This is not as peaceful as the Jack scene, but you see Ennis with an anxious look in his face as he sees Jack high up with the sheep. You know from that look that Ennis is starting to care for Jack.
great point.........ah if only the movie stayed there........
Yes, sometimes I wish that the first part of the movie never ended...
Then again...no one would have had anything to cry about....would they???
I know I am a bit OOT here, but would you believe I already cry in the scenes up on the Mountain?
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I love the scene when Jack and Ennis have set up camp and we see Jack (the first night alone) sitting up smoking looking down on the camp most likely thinking about Ennis. It is at this point so full of hope, so ripe with possibilities and so laden with thoughts of how the story might develop......and above all...so peaceful...
And it is quite a pendant to the scene where Ennis looks up at Jack as Ennis washes the coffee pot by the stream. This is not as peaceful as the Jack scene, but you see Ennis with an anxious look in his face as he sees Jack high up with the sheep. You know from that look that Ennis is starting to care for Jack.
great point.........ah if only the movie stayed there........
Yes, sometimes I wish that the first part of the movie never ended...
Then again...no one would have had anything to cry about....would they???
I know I am a bit OOT here, but would you believe I already cry in the scenes up on the Mountain?
REALLY OOT but isn't that because you KNOW what is coming?????
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Note from the moderator, that's a lot of quoting within a quote and so and so, no? ??? We should be more carefull about this.
That was my 10 seconds of b*tchin'
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Just remembered another Ennis scene that I love. It's just before Alma comes into their bedroom and they have the "can't we move to town" chat when Ennis first comes into the bedroom in his pjs and vest ( :d) ), flexing his neck 'cos he's had a really hard day at work and then he sits down on the edge of the bed, worn out. I love it because he's working so hard to try to make ends meet and provide for Alma and the girls, when we all know his heart is hundreds of miles away.
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Just remembered another Ennis scene that I love. It's just before Alma comes into their bedroom and they have the "can't we move to town" chat when Ennis first comes into the bedroom in his pjs and vest ( :d) ), felxing his neck 'cos he's had a really hard day at work and then he sits down on the edge of the bed, worn out. I love it because he's working so hard to try to make ends meet and provide for Alma and the girls, when we all know his heart is hundreds of miles away.
:\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(
You just got me with that one Lindsey....every time I see him in this scene, I just know he's thinking about Jack. Probably hoping and wishing that the arms wrapping around him are Jack's, not Alma's.
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every time I see him in this scene, I just know he's thinking about Jack. Probably hoping and wishing that the arms wrapping around him are Jack's, not Alma's.
You bet he is
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Just remembered another Ennis scene that I love. It's just before Alma comes into their bedroom and they have the "can't we move to town" chat when Ennis first comes into the bedroom in his pjs and vest ( :d) ), felxing his neck 'cos he's had a really hard day at work and then he sits down on the edge of the bed, worn out. I love it because he's working so hard to try to make ends meet and provide for Alma and the girls, when we all know his heart is hundreds of miles away.
:\'( :\'( :\'( :\'(
You just got me with that one Lindsey....every time I see him in this scene, I just know he's thinking about Jack. Probably hoping and wishing that the arms wrapping around him are Jack's, not Alma's.
THe pendant to this scene is Jack's dance with Lureen, where Jack's blank stare most probably indicates that he is thinking of Ennis. So many wonderful bookends in this film... Thanks all.
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okay, so I'm a little late replying to this thread *^)
Just watched BBM again last night, so I'm fresh...my favorite scenes with Only-Ennis or Only-Jack are:
Ennis: The scene where Ennis is in Jack's room at his parents ranch BEFORE he finds the shirts. That whole scene just tore my heart out. When Ennis is sitting looking out the window always makes me cry buckets.
Jack: The scene the year after Brokeback where Jack goes to Aguirre for a job. After Aguirre tells Jack, 'ain't got no work for you," Jack turns back and asks Aguirre if Ennis had been by. Jack Twist is my hero. &**)
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Jack Twist is my hero. &**)
Ditto. :)
Very nice scene choices.
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One of the wcenes no-one ever talks about is the short one where Ennis is working on the road. It shows him fdoing an uncongenial job, presumably to support his family, and working with a boring character who talks incessantly about nothing much in an attempt to be funny - nothing like Ennis and the greatest possible contrast with Jack. If this is the kind of steady work Alma wanted Ennis to do, no wonder he wasn't very keen.
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Oddly, too, while I'm a Jake fan, I don't see Jack as anything like as heroic as Ennis. sure, Jack nearly starved, according to his own account, while he was rodeoing for a couple of years, but after he married Lureen, his material needs were well catered for, and as can be seen in his scenes with Ennis he always had good clothes, recent trucks, etc. ennis, by contrast, stuck with his wife and children, stuck with the badly-paid tiring temporary jobs so that he could see Jack periodically, stuck with his child-support payments, and apart from meeting Jack appears never to have had much pleasure or even comfort in his life - even from Cassie.
*o) Don't care.
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Oddly, too, while I'm a Jake fan, I don't see Jack as anything like as heroic as Ennis. sure, Jack nearly starved, according to his own account, while he was rodeoing for a couple of years, but after he married Lureen, his material needs were well catered for, and as can be seen in his scenes with Ennis he always had good clothes, recent trucks, etc. ennis, by contrast, stuck with his wife and children, stuck with the badly-paid tiring temporary jobs so that he could see Jack periodically, stuck with his child-support payments, and apart from meeting Jack appears never to have had much pleasure or even comfort in his life - even from Cassie.
*o) Don't care.
For me, Ennis is a great anti-hero. And Jack is ... a sort of great anti-beloved.
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If you put anti-hero and anti-beloved together, what do you get? Anti-matter?
*o) again.
It's true that the two of them have some sort of effect on each other - the scenes where either is alone/with other people are much less powerful than those where they are together, even those early scenes where they're doing mundane things like making a camp.
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If you put anti-hero and anti-beloved together, what do you get? Anti-matter?
*o) again.
It's true that the two of them have some sort of effect on each other - the scenes where either is alone/with other people are much less powerful than those where they are together, even those early scenes where they're doing mundane things like making a camp.
I do agree. But there is so much beauty in many of the scenes where one is absent. IN a sense, even in those scenes, you FEEL the other is present...
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Oddly, too, while I'm a Jake fan, I don't see Jack as anything like as heroic as Ennis. sure, Jack nearly starved, according to his own account, while he was rodeoing for a couple of years, but after he married Lureen, his material needs were well catered for, and as can be seen in his scenes with Ennis he always had good clothes, recent trucks, etc. ennis, by contrast, stuck with his wife and children, stuck with the badly-paid tiring temporary jobs so that he could see Jack periodically, stuck with his child-support payments, and apart from meeting Jack appears never to have had much pleasure or even comfort in his life - even from Cassie.
*o) Don't care.
Welshwitch - I think they're both heroic (love them both to pieces)...I just like the fact that Jack, after Aguirre verbally slapped him, TURNED back and asked for what he really wanted. In term s of personality, I am more like Ennis, but I wish I had more of Jack's determination.
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Another one-on the mountain..when they really started to feel/miss each other IMHO...
"During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain. "
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One of my favorite lines from the SS hpv. :)
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One of my favorite lines from the SS hpv. :)
Oh, yes sweetie,I quoited it on the SS favorite line thread, and it occurred to me ,that it belongs here as well
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Another one-on the mountain..when they really started to feel/miss each other IMHO...
"During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain. "
Yes. The movie realized this beautifully.
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Another one of those moments that was so perfectly transformed from written word to visual image in this movie in a way that is so rarely (if ever?) achieved in film.....
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Another one of those moments that was so perfectly transformed from written word to visual image in this movie in a way that is so rarely (if ever?) achieved in film.....
And I thought they did it in such a naturalistic fashion. They did not put the two scenes back to back. And the fact that they showed Jack first was consistent, given that the movie seemed to represent Jack as the more obviously interested of the two.
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Yep, just perfect.....wonderful film....
And hope it's not too OT: I was very moved by the film the first time but my brain took a while to absorb it. It wasn't till the second viewing that I realized there are no wasted moments in this movie. None! Every car, every line, every person, every tree is there for a reason! Amazing.
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Yep, just perfect.....wonderful film....
And hope it's not too OT: I was very moved by the film the first time but my brain took a while to absorb it. It wasn't till the second viewing that I realized there are no wasted moments in this movie. None! Every car, every line, every person, every tree is there for a reason! Amazing.
It ran for more than 2 hours, but I doubt that you can cut that much from the current version without losing a sense of balance such as the one illustrated here, where Jack and Ennis express longing for each other.
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I wouldn't cut a moment! You don't mess with perfection. :)
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I wouldn't cut a moment! You don't mess with perfection. :)
OOT: unless I had just forgotten that we already had such a thread, it would be interesting to start a new topic on what scenes do you think (if any) could be removed or added to the movie. But this may go into dangerous/contentuous new ground. :)
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I'll have to check that thread out. I may need to be restrained first though, just in case. ;)
And to get back on topic, the scenes with Jack at the rodeo are fun for me. Watching his disappointment with that first ride they show him doing. Then the contrast of how pleased he is with the second one. Enthusiastic like a kid. You just can't help being happy for him.
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I'll have to check that thread out. I may need to be restrained first though, just in case. ;)
And to get back on topic, the scenes with Jack at the rodeo are fun for me. Watching his disappointment with that first ride they show him doing. Then the contrast of how pleased he is with the second one. Enthusiastic like a kid. You just can't help being happy for him.
Yes, I love those rodeo scenes. And I do love the contrast. But I love the happier one best of all!
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Always! :)
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I'll have to check that thread out. I may need to be restrained first though, just in case. ;)
And to get back on topic, the scenes with Jack at the rodeo are fun for me. Watching his disappointment with that first ride they show him doing. Then the contrast of how pleased he is with the second one. Enthusiastic like a kid. You just can't help being happy for him.
So true- he's just like a little boy there. :)
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I'll have to check that thread out. I may need to be restrained first though, just in case. ;)
And to get back on topic, the scenes with Jack at the rodeo are fun for me. Watching his disappointment with that first ride they show him doing. Then the contrast of how pleased he is with the second one. Enthusiastic like a kid. You just can't help being happy for him.
So true- he's just like a little boy there. :)
I also thought he was most wonderfully shy and boyish at the bar when Lureen approaches him for a dance. What a wonderful expression in that face -- you sense that he is abashed and speechless -- like a little boy, most certainly. Thinking of it right now fills me with admiration for that singular look of shyness and pleasure combined.
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This will not please you, tpe, but I also see an element of calculation in the expression while he is waiting for Lureen to come over.
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This will not please you, tpe, but I also see an element of calculation in the expression while he is waiting for Lureen to come over.
It may not please me, but it is a valid opinion, nonetheless. This is what makes these exchanges more interesting.
I clearly read it a bit differently, although I did sense a hint of calculation. I thought the way I did because he clearly did not have the guts (as Lureen had) to approach Lureen like the other cowboys, even though he was certainly interested... He seemed to have lacked a great deal of self confidence with women. Perhaps we know why...
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He may also have felt diffident about approaching the local little rich girl, having just been told that her father was wealthy. Or he may have been nervous about approaching her anyway - I can't imagine his upbringing had brought him into contact with many wealthy people.
He doesn't appear exactly nervous in the car and he got her pregnant quickly enough, so his expression could just be a reflection of his social uncertainty rather than of his lack of interest in women.
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Another old topic I just discovered...
The best Ennis-only scene for me would have to be when he finds the shirts. I defy ANYONE to watch that scene and not be affected emotionally.
A Jack-only scene is harder for me to choose, 'cause I'm such a "Jack girl" :) - but I do like the scene where he dances with Lureen; you can tell his mind is a thousand miles away, as he closes his eyes and moves to the song... :(
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Another old topic I just discovered...
The best Ennis-only scene for me would have to be when he finds the shirts. I defy ANYONE to watch that scene and not be affected emotionally.
A Jack-only scene is harder for me to choose, 'cause I'm such a "Jack girl" :) - but I do like the scene where he dances with Lureen; you can tell his mind is a thousand miles away, as he closes his eyes and moves to the song... :(
Very good choices.
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A Jack only scene:
In the beginning, when he was alone with the sheep at night, smoking a cigarette. He looks down the mountain where he see the small flicker of light from the camp fire. He strain to look closer. Yeah, he must have said to himself, "He still there."
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A Jack only scene:
In the beginning, when he was alone with the sheep at night, smoking a cigarette. He looks down the mountain where he see the small flicker of light from the camp fire. He strain to look closer. Yeah, he must have said to himself, "He still there."
Here is the excact line from the SS , when they really started to feel/miss each other IMHO...
"During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain. "
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Here is the excact line from the SS , when they really started to feel/miss each other IMHO...
"During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain. "
I like that, "started to feel each other", they did, didn't they? And you got this impression without a word being spoken. It was quiet, so unexpected.
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I like that, "started to feel each other", they did, didn't they? And you got this impression without a word being spoken. It was quiet, so unexpected.
Oh, yeah, for sure, it was like magic,as all the time up in the mountain was ,
I prefer to call it mountain time.
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A Jack only scene:
In the beginning, when he was alone with the sheep at night, smoking a cigarette. He looks down the mountain where he see the small flicker of light from the camp fire. He strain to look closer. Yeah, he must have said to himself, "He still there."
And don't forget the trace of a smile on Jack's face when he catches sight of Ennis's fire. That smile was enough to light up the whole world.
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And don't forget the trace of a smile on Jack's face when he catches sight of Ennis's fire. That smile was enough to light up the whole world.
well...he definitely light up my world....that's definitely my favourite jack scene too. as for ennis, it will have to be the beginning where they were supposed to meet aguirre for the first time. he look so vulnerable then...sometimes i just feel like hugging him
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well...he definitely light up my world....that's definitely my favourite jack scene too. as for ennis, it will have to be the beginning where they were supposed to meet aguirre for the first time. he look so vulnerable then...sometimes i just feel like hugging him
That certainly was a beautiful look. And I do like his "nonlook": when he tried to avoid Jack's gaze the first time they set eyes on each other outside the trailer...
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That certainly was a beautiful look. And I do like his "nonlook": when he tried to avoid Jack's gaze the first time they set eyes on each other outside the trailer...
oh man, u're so right! i love that too...and i love it when jack looked at ennis from the mirror. its like he's checking him out, there was an unspoken attraction then, i guess....jack is always the bolder one. he continue looking at ennis long after he looked away. jack caught my attention from the very first scene
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oh man, u're so right! i love that too...and i love it when jack looked at ennis from the mirror. its like he's checking him out, there was an unspoken attraction then, i guess....jack is always the bolder one. he continue looking at ennis long after he looked away. jack caught my attention from the very first scene
Technically, the opening scene is a scene involving Jack AND Ennis. But I would claim that they should really be set apart in that opening scene. They seem to be lostt in their own worlds even as they try to figure out each other.
For Ennis: his shuffling nervously and hiding himself under his hat at the first sign of interest on Jack';s part.
For Jack: his looking at the mirror -- seemingly engrossed in shaving, but actually trying to fathom Ennis.
THis is a scene where both are together, and yet apart.