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Am I the only one who feels that the preacher who marries Ennis and Alma is creepy?
When he says "And if you don't I will." I get the chills. Isn't that a weird thing for him to say? It's so not funny and so odd that he would say that at the wedding ceremony that I can hardly look at him.
Now I'll tell you what I really feel...! ;)
Shelley
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I agree. There is something about him that you can't just quite put your finger on.
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Am I the only one who feels that the preacher who marries Ennis and Alma is creepy?
When he says "And if you don't I will." I get the chills. Isn't that a weird thing for him to say? It's so not funny and so odd that he would say that at the wedding ceremony that I can hardly look at him.
Now I'll tell you what I really feel...! ;)
Shelley
It does seem rather inappropriate doesn't it. But then, I am not a church goer so maybe people really act this way.
He almost sounded like a guy that would say, "Want some candy little girl. Come with me."
I just hope the preacher was a single man or his wife might have something to say when he gets home.
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Funny. I never saw that as creepy at all. Just kind of cute.
I think the preacher probably knew Alma pretty well - small town, close knit community, her obviously a church goer, he's probably known her since she was a little girl - and it was just a joke that he knew would get a laugh.
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Creepy is a very nice way of putting it...
U seen Braveheart? Don't remember the word for it but it is called first night.. We had it here too, the priest would get first night with the bride
I am guessing this priest would want that practise returned
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Esme - it's "prima nocte"
But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage :X
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Esme - it's "prima nocte"
But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage :X
Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. :8 Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man. :8
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Esme - it's "prima nocte"
But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage :X
Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. :8 Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man. :8
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Don't think you'd have wanted the particular husband from Braveheart, Patriot. He wasn't exactly good looking!
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Esme - it's "prima nocte"
But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage :X
Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. :8 Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man. :8
:8 :8 :clap:
Don't think you'd have wanted the particular husband from Braveheart, Patriot. He wasn't exactly good looking!
NoReins, when you are 60 years old you take what you can get. :(
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Such an creepy subject. :)
Honestly, I did not get a sense that the preacher was particularly lecherous. But I must admit that his joke about kissing the bride could rub a groom the wrong way. Ennis did seem mildly annoyed, no? Overall though, I though that he was harmless enough. Am I being a bit naive here?
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I didn't think of the preacher as creepy but did think that it was an inappropriate thing for him to say. I suppose it was a very quiet country town where everyone knew everyone very well but still I don't think the church is a place to joke around like that, especially from the preacher. Quite weird really.
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I didn't think of the preacher as creepy but did think that it was an inappropriate thing for him to say. I suppose it was a very quiet country town where everyone knew everyone very well but still I don't think the church is a place to joke around like that, especially from the preacher. Quite weird really.
And especially while officiating at a wedding...
Perhaps we are being abit harsh in our judgement here. Perhaps the preacher knew both of them since childhood, and felt close enough to both of them that he assumed he could take liberties such as these...
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I didn't think of the preacher as creepy but did think that it was an inappropriate thing for him to say. I suppose it was a very quiet country town where everyone knew everyone very well but still I don't think the church is a place to joke around like that, especially from the preacher. Quite weird really.
And especially while officiating at a wedding...
Perhaps we are being abit harsh in our judgement here. Perhaps the preacher knew both of them since childhood, and felt close enough to both of them that he assumed he could take liberties such as these...
I presume that is probably the case but still I would have thought that being a preacher he would have acted in a responsible manner.
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I presume that is probably the case but still I would have thought that being a preacher he would have acted in a responsible manner.
I can only agree with you, Asali. Perhaps not so creepy, but more than a tad out of place.
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THank u NoReins :)
And yes I know it wasn't the priest in Braveheart, I siad here, in Norway it was the priest
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"Droit de seigneur" it was called by my Norman French ancestors - if this guy wanted that with Alma, he's entirely welcome. Wonder about the guy who married Jack and Lureen?
I thought it was a really strange thing to say, but then we don't have the kissing the bride thing here anyway, or not in proper services anyway - don't know about the happy clappies, who seem obsessed with kissing one another on every possible occasion. [Went to a revivial in Texas once - dragged reluctant husband - not too bad till they started telling you to shake hands with/kiss the person next to you and tell them you were happy they were there - at this point husband came over very British.]
Actually i wondered if he knew Alma well - she seems the sort to have gone to church - and knew what Ennis was like - ie undemonstrative - and thought he needed a bit of encouragement, which he did in an inappropraite way.
He ooks like the sort who'd molest the sheep up on Brokeback if he got half a chance.
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I think the preacher probably knew Alma pretty well - small town, close knit community, her obviously a church goer, he's probably known her since she was a little girl - and it was just a joke that he knew would get a laugh.
I think NoReins pretty much sums up my opinion too, although it is a little inappropriate for a preacher. I didn't actually notice it before, so it couldn't have bothered me that much....
*o) welshwitch, I had to laugh at that bit in your post when your husband come over all 'British', I can almost visualise it.. ;D
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"Droit de seigneur" it was called by my Norman French ancestors - if this guy wanted that with Alma, he's entirely welcome.
LOL! :8
He ooks like the sort who'd molest the sheep up on Brokeback if he got half a chance.
LOL!!! :8 :8
That is SO funny! I also agree that Ennis looks quite uncomfortable after the preacher says it. Also, isn't every single moment in this divine movie purposeful for Ang Lee's grand design?
So that preacher gets my creep vote.
Shelley
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I must admit that it cracks me up everytime I see the title of this thread.
Poor preacher! Not even the sheep would be safe from you! ;)
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He ooks like the sort who'd molest the sheep up on Brokeback if he got half a chance.
:8 I never thought of him as creepy but I did think it was odd that he said that though.
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I must admit that it cracks me up everytime I see the title of this thread.
Poor preacher! Not even the sheep would be safe from you! ;)
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At first, I didn't think of it "creepy" I thought it was only humorous....I chuckled everytime he says that.
But now after reading the posts, it does seem to be creepy.
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At first, I didn't think of it "creepy" I thought it was only humorous....I chuckled everytime he says that.
But now after reading the posts, it does seem to be creepy.
I also go back to Ennis's reaction to the preacher's offer. There is indeed a note of ambivalence in his look. As for why the preacher said it: subliminal desire, perhaps?
Then again, perhaps this preacher felt so secure about his position as a moral bedrock of the community that he invariably does what a lot of preachers fall into: take liberties that they would not have done had they thought about it more carefully. A friend once described a presbyterian pastor who continually used the term "dork" in one of his sermons. My friend had to tell him later that "dork" is actually a reference to the male genitalia. The pastor was shocked when he realized this.
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So am I, tpe! I just thought it was another vague term of condemnation, like nerd, but I've never used it as it's not something said in British English.
Actually when i think about it vicars and priests ans similar often try to be folksy and "come down to the level" of "ordinary" lay people. Perhaps he was just trying to do this and got it wrong, as, in a cringe-making way, often happens.
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So am I, tpe! I just thought it was another vague term of condemnation, like nerd, but I've never used it as it's not something said in British English.
Actually when i think about it vicars and priests ans similar often try to be folksy and "come down to the level" of "ordinary" lay people. Perhaps he was just trying to do this and got it wrong, as, in a cringe-making way, often happens.
I also thought that vicars and priests nowadays try to come down to the level of the laity -- the young, in particular. I am sure that the preacher was doing this when he joked about kissing Alma. I am quite sure it was meant as a compliment to the beauty of the bride...
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I am a church goer and I did find the remark a little odd. I attend a fairly large church so our ministers do not have the same comfort level with their parishoners as one who officiates over a small congregation. I interpreted the remark as something along the line of....
"Don't be shy boy! You've got a pretty bride standing there. Kiss her before someone else does!"
In my eyes the preacher was just trying to inject a little humor. Obviously he should have left the comedy for the skilled.
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I am a church goer and I did find the remark a little odd. I attend a fairly large church so our ministers do not have the same comfort level with their parishoners as one who officiates over a small congregation. I interpreted the remark as something along the line of....
"Don't be shy boy! You've got a pretty bride standing there. Kiss her before someone else does!"
In my eyes the preacher was just trying to inject a little humor. Obviously he should have left the comedy for the skilled.
;D ;D
Completely agree...CSC. :)
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Esme - it's "prima nocte"
But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage :X
Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. :8 Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man. :8
If the preacher gets Alma, can I have Ennis? I'd be happy to share with you Patriot1!!
I was sorry to read you guys thought the preacher was creepy...I thought he was one of those well intentioned people who think they are funny (and sadly are not) and always making lame jokes.
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I am a church goer and I did find the remark a little odd. I attend a fairly large church so our ministers do not have the same comfort level with their parishoners as one who officiates over a small congregation. I interpreted the remark as something along the line of....
"Don't be shy boy! You've got a pretty bride standing there. Kiss her before someone else does!"
In my eyes the preacher was just trying to inject a little humor. Obviously he should have left the comedy for the skilled.
Good point. :)
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Esme - it's "prima nocte"
But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage :X
Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. :8 Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man. :8
If the preacher gets Alma, can I have Ennis? I'd be happy to share with you Patriot1!!
I was sorry to read you guys thought the preacher was creepy...I thought he was one of those well intentioned people who think they are funny (and sadly are not) and always making lame jokes.
You know, jesseanne21, I think you just might have hit the nail right on the head. He is just a guy who thinks he is funny and sadly is not. I've been there and done that.
You are welcome to have Ennis. I'll hold out for Jack. And no, I am NOT sharing! :8
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Esme - it's "prima nocte"
But it certainly wasn't the priest who had that right - in Braveheart it was the English lord who was in charge of the village who took the bride on the first night of her marriage :X
Did anyone get the husband? I want that part. :8 Hey! I am 60. I am suppose to be a dirty old man. :8
If the preacher gets Alma, can I have Ennis? I'd be happy to share with you Patriot1!!
I was sorry to read you guys thought the preacher was creepy...I thought he was one of those well intentioned people who think they are funny (and sadly are not) and always making lame jokes.
I don't find him as creepy now.
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*o) - there are some very selfish people on this site.
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*o) - there are some very selfish people on this site.
*o) *Patriot1 looks down at his feet, scuffs his shoe in the dirt.* Guilty as charged your honor. ;)
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The preacher is not creepy... He's just not very good at jokes... That's all lol
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"Droit de seigneur" it was called by my Norman French ancestors - if this guy wanted that with Alma, he's entirely welcome.
LOL! :8
He ooks like the sort who'd molest the sheep up on Brokeback if he got half a chance.
LOL!!! :8 :8
That is SO funny! I also agree that Ennis looks quite uncomfortable after the preacher says it. Also, isn't every single moment in this divine movie purposeful for Ang Lee's grand design?
So that preacher gets my creep vote.
Shelley
Me, too. Creepy is definitely the word I would use. I thought it an inappropriate thing to say, and only a creepy icky man would say it, even if he knew them and their families all their lives. (And then you could start thinking about how rampant child sexual abuse was during those days and nobody talked about it, certainly not the victims; the minister could have been a child molester. Unless he did indeed satisfy himself with sheep.)
About that scene, though, I love the little false move Ennis makes -- when he thinks he's supposed to turn and kiss Alma, but is a second early, and turns back to face the minister. It's just cute.
kathy
kathy
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Yes, could be "Omigod, what have I gotten into?" or "Omigod, I've got to kiss her in front of these people." Either way it's pure Ennis.
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Yes, could be "Omigod, what have I gotten into?" or "Omigod, I've got to kiss her in front of these people." Either way it's pure Ennis.
Also, didn't we talk about elsewhere, maybe in Double Meanings, about that lline of the preacher's being put in to point up Ennis's feelings that he might be found out, that his masculinity might be in question? Ennis's response to "If you don't..." could be "What do you mean, if I don't? Of course I'm going to kiss my wife. What, you think I'm queer or something, huh?"
kathy
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Yes, maybe. Ennis's expression, before and after the preacher's weird remark, isn't happy or excited - more worried or concerned or even uncertain? Maybe the guy thinks Ennis could do with a prompt.
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Or maybe the poor, innocent preacher was just doing his job?? O.O
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Or maybe the poor, innocent preacher was just doing his job?? O.O
Probably :8
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Yes, could be "Omigod, what have I gotten into?" or "Omigod, I've got to kiss her in front of these people." Either way it's pure Ennis.
Also, didn't we talk about elsewhere, maybe in Double Meanings, about that lline of the preacher's being put in to point up Ennis's feelings that he might be found out, that his masculinity might be in question? Ennis's response to "If you don't..." could be "What do you mean, if I don't? Of course I'm going to kiss my wife. What, you think I'm queer or something, huh?"
kathy
:) I must admit that when in the context of this thread, that double meaning gives an added dimension to the remark...
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Ennis is never really at ease with other people, even when he's getting married. He only ever looks happy when he's with Jack. And thee's a nice contrast between his needing to be told to kiss Alma and the way he rushes into Jack's arms in the reunion scene - shows exactly the difference in his feeling for the two.
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Ennis is never really at ease with other people, even when he's getting married. He only ever looks happy when he's with Jack. And thee's a nice contrast between his needing to be told to kiss Alma and the way he rushes into Jack's arms in the reunion scene - shows exactly the difference in his feeling for the two.
Oh -- that's a nice double-meaning type interpretation. He has to be told to kiss Alma...but nothing in the world is gonna stop him from kissing Jack into next week, right out in the open yet.
kathy
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Ennis is never really at ease with other people, even when he's getting married. He only ever looks happy when he's with Jack. And thee's a nice contrast between his needing to be told to kiss Alma and the way he rushes into Jack's arms in the reunion scene - shows exactly the difference in his feeling for the two.
Yes, that is quite a contrast, no? As if he had to be prodded to give her a kiss. What a sharp contrast!
And compare both kisses. Of course, that was a wedding cermony, where one is a bit more restrained in exhibiting affection. Still...
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Am I the only one who feels that the preacher who marries Ennis and Alma is creepy?
When he says "And if you don't I will." I get the chills. Isn't that a weird thing for him to say? It's so not funny and so odd that he would say that at the wedding ceremony that I can hardly look at him.
Now I'll tell you what I really feel...! ;)
Shelley
I didn't find it creepy.Just looked upon it as injecting a bit of humour into the ceremony.He could obviously sense Ennis' hesitancy.That's what we were supposed to see.Same as when he mutters the lines "Lead us not into temptation" It's written all over Ennis' face.He's a bag of nerves.
J.x
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Am I the only one who feels that the preacher who marries Ennis and Alma is creepy?
When he says "And if you don't I will." I get the chills. Isn't that a weird thing for him to say? It's so not funny and so odd that he would say that at the wedding ceremony that I can hardly look at him.
Now I'll tell you what I really feel...! ;)
Shelley
I didn't find it creepy.Just looked upon it as injecting a bit of humour into the ceremony.He could obviously sense Ennis' hesitancy.That's what we were supposed to see.Same as when he mutters the lines "Lead us not into temptation" It's written all over Ennis' face.He's a bag of nerves.
J.x
It is posssible that he was trying to poke Ennis a bit, as he did seem quite hesitant. I had thought that he was just oncomfortable in such social situations, but perhaps he was reacting the tail end of the Pater Noster.
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I didn't find it creepy.Just looked upon it as injecting a bit of humour into the ceremony.He could obviously sense Ennis' hesitancy.That's what we were supposed to see.Same as when he mutters the lines "Lead us not into temptation" It's written all over Ennis' face.He's a bag of nerves.
J.x
I didn't see any hesitancy on Ennis' part. As soon as the preacher said, "I pronounce you man and wife." Ennis immediately started to turn to kiss Alma and then stopped because the preacher started to talk again, to tell his not funny joke.
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Or maybe the poor, innocent preacher was just doing his job?? O.O
Probably :8
Yes! Most likely he was just doing his job and you all started thinking bad things about the poor preacher...
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I didn't see any hesitancy on Ennis' part. As soon as the preacher said, "I pronounce you man and wife." Ennis immediately started to turn to kiss Alma and then stopped because the preacher started to talk again, to tell his not funny joke.
This is quite probable. I will have to check this scene to be sure.
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I didn't see any hesitancy on Ennis' part. As soon as the preacher said, "I pronounce you man and wife." Ennis immediately started to turn to kiss Alma and then stopped because the preacher started to talk again, to tell his not funny joke.
This is quite probable. I will have to check this scene to be sure.
Yes, you are right Patriot, I have seen that one again and I have seen no hesitancy in Ennis... The preacher stops him to say his not too funny but very weird joke o.o