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Title: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ennisandjack on Mar 11, 2006, 12:17 AM
http://film.guardian.co.uk/oscars2006/story/0,,1727312,00.html

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Blood on the red carpet

Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash

Saturday March 11, 2006
The Guardian

Ain't no Mountain high enough ... Ang Lee with his Oscar for best director. Photograph: Kevork Djansezian/AP. More photographs
 
On the sidewalk stood hordes of the righteous, some leaning forward like wind-bent grasses, the better to deliver their imprecations against gays and fags to the open windows of the limos - the windows open by order of the security people - creeping toward the Kodak Theater for the 78th Academy Awards. Others held up sturdy, professionally crafted signs expressing the same hatred.
The red carpet in front of the theatre was larger than the Red Sea. Inside, we climbed grand staircases designed for showing off dresses. The circular levels filled with men in black, the women mostly in pale, frothy gowns. Sequins, diamonds, glass beads, trade beads sparkled like the interior of a salt mine. More exquisite dresses appeared every moment, some made from six yards of taffeta, and many with sweeping trains that demanded vigilance from strolling attendees lest they step on a mermaid's tail. There was one man in a kilt - there is always one at award ceremonies - perhaps a professional roving Scot hired to give colour to the otherwise monotone showing of clustered males. Larry McMurtry defied the dress code by wearing his usual jeans and cowboy boots.

The people connected with Brokeback Mountain, including me, hoped that, having been nominated for eight Academy awards, it would get Best Picture as it had at the funny, lively Independent Spirit awards the day before. (If you are looking for smart judging based on merit, skip the Academy Awards next year and pay attention to the Independent Spirit choices.) We should have known conservative heffalump academy voters would have rather different ideas of what was stirring contemporary culture. Roughly 6,000 film industry voters, most in the Los Angeles area, many living cloistered lives behind wrought-iron gates or in deluxe rest-homes, out of touch not only with the shifting larger culture and the yeasty ferment that is America these days, but also out of touch with their own segregated city, decide which films are good. And rumour has it that Lions Gate inundated the academy voters with DVD copies of Trash - excuse me - Crash a few weeks before the ballot deadline. Next year we can look to the awards for controversial themes on the punishment of adulterers with a branding iron in the shape of the letter A, runaway slaves, and the debate over free silver.
After a good deal of standing around admiring dresses and sucking up champagne, people obeyed the stentorian countdown commands to get in their seats as "the show" was about to begin. There were orders to clap and the audience obediently clapped. From the first there was an atmosphere of insufferable self-importance emanating from "the show" which, as the audience was reminded several times, was televised and being watched by billions of people all over the world. Those lucky watchers could get up any time they wished and do something worthwhile, like go to the bathroom. As in everything related to public extravaganzas, a certain soda pop figured prominently. There were montages, artfully meshed clips of films of yesteryear, live acts by Famous Talent, smart-ass jokes by Jon Stewart who was witty and quick, too witty, too quick, too eastern perhaps for the somewhat dim LA crowd. Both beautiful and household-name movie stars announced various prizes. None of the acting awards came Brokeback's way, you betcha. The prize, as expected, went to Philip Seymour Hoff-man for his brilliant portrayal of Capote, but in the months preceding the awards thing, there has been little discussion of acting styles and various approaches to character development by this year's nominees. Hollywood loves mimicry, the conversion of a film actor into the spittin' image of a once-living celeb. But which takes more skill, acting a person who strolled the boulevard a few decades ago and who left behind tapes, film, photographs, voice recordings and friends with strong memories, or the construction of characters from imagination and a few cold words on the page? I don't know. The subject never comes up. Cheers to David Strathairn, Joaquin Phoenix and Hoffman, but what about actors who start in the dark?

Everyone thanked their dear old mums, scout troop leaders, kids and consorts. More commercials, more quick wit, more clapping, beads of sweat, Stewart maybe wondering what evil star had lighted his way to this labour. Despite the technical expertise and flawlessly sleek set evocative of 1930s musicals, despite Dolly Parton whooping it up and Itzhak Perlman blending all the theme music into a single performance (he represented "culchah"), there was a kind of provincial flavour to the proceedings reminiscent of a small-town talent-show night. Clapping wildly for bad stuff enhances this. There came an atrocious act from Hustle and Flow, Three 6 Mafia's violent rendition of "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp", a favourite with the audience who knew what it knew and liked. This was a big winner, a bushel of the magic gold-coated gelded godlings going to the rap group.

The hours sped by on wings of boiler plate. Brokeback's first award was to Argentinean Gustavo Santaolalla for the film's plangent and evocative score. Later came the expected award for screenplay adaptation to Diana Ossana and Larry McMurtry, and only a short time later the director's award to Ang Lee. And that was it, three awards, putting it on equal footing with King Kong. When Jack Nicholson said best picture went to Crash, there was a gasp of shock, and then applause from many - the choice was a hit with the home team since the film is set in Los Angeles. It was a safe pick of "controversial film" for the heffalumps.

After three-and-a-half hours of butt-numbing sitting we stumbled away, down the magnificent staircases, and across the red carpet. In the distance men were shouting out limousine numbers, "406 . . . 27 . . . 921 . . . 62" and it seemed someone should yell "Bingo!" It was now dark, or as dark as it gets in the City of Angels. As we waited for our number to be called we could see the enormous lighted marquee across the street announcing that the "2006 Academy Award for Best Picture had gone to Crash". The red carpet now had taken on a different hue, a purple tinge.

The source of the colour was not far away. Down the street, spreading its baleful light everywhere, hung a gigantic, vertical, electric-blue neon sign spelling out S C I E N T O L O G Y.

"Seven oh six," bawled the limo announcer's voice. Bingo.

For those who call this little piece a Sour Grapes Rant, play it as it lays.
Title: Annie's being attacked for post Oscar comments
Post by: JD on Mar 11, 2006, 09:08 PM
Go to:

http://www.cinematical.com/2006/03/11/annie-proulx-to-academy-its-on/#comments


http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/

Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: septuaginarian on Mar 11, 2006, 10:59 PM

For those who call this little piece a Sour Grapes Rant, play it as it lays.


Play it as it lays, indeed! Thank you, thank you, Annie Proulx for saying this for all of us as no one else could say it!

Whip it, Sister! ("Florida Rental," in Bad Dirt: Wyoming Stories 2)

Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: CherryCake on Mar 12, 2006, 12:18 AM
Wow.  She can write anything!   
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 12, 2006, 12:20 AM

I'm very happy she wrote this commentary for The Guardian.  I love her turn of phrases - she's a true master.

"We should have known conservative heffalump [elephant] academy voters would have rather different ideas of what was stirring contemporary culture. Roughly 6,000 film industry voters, most in the Los Angeles area, many living cloistered lives behind wrought-iron gates or in deluxe rest-homes, out of touch not only with the shifting larger culture and the yeasty ferment that is America these days, but also out of touch with their own segregated city, decide which films are good."

"From the first there was an atmosphere of insufferable self-importance emanating from "the show"..."

"It was a safe pick of "controversial film" for the heffalumps."

The Academy is a self-perpetuating body with an average age estimated to be somewhere in the 60s.  Sure there are many seniors with enlightened and progressive ideas and I support them, but there are also many who look more towards conserving the past than expanding the future.  Why do we even care what a bunch of wealthy conservative Academy members think of films?  Why should their opinions on films be anymore valuable than yours or mine?  The Oscars are only important because the Academy has hyped its own importance.   

I almost feel like starting a boycott of the ABC network which airs the Oscar show.  If all the networks refused to air the Oscars then the Academy might have to make some drastic changes .  Change is a positive first step.

Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: frenchcda on Mar 12, 2006, 12:26 AM
interesting views
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: septuaginarian on Mar 12, 2006, 02:15 PM

We should have known conservative heffalump academy voters would have rather different ideas of what was stirring contemporary culture.

When Jack Nicholson said best picture went to Crash, there was a gasp of shock, and then applause from many - the choice was a hit with the home team since the film is set in Los Angeles. It was a safe pick of "controversial film" for the heffalumps.


A Heffalump is a stuffed bear in a dark hole with its head stuck in a honey pot.

The bear, Pooh*  of course, finds himself there when, by methodically missing the point, he falls into his own trap. Piglet on viewing the apparition:

"Help,  help!"  cried  Piglet, "a Heffalump, a Horrible
Heffalump!" and he scampered off as hard  as  he  could,  still
crying  out,  "Help,  help, a Herrible Hoffalump! Hoff, Hoff, a
Hellible Horralump! Holl, Holl, a Hoffable Hellerump!"


Whatever Piglet would call it.

. . . an enormous big nothing. Like a jar.
______________________

* http://winnie-the-pooh.ru/stories/english/heffalump/
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ennisandjack on Mar 12, 2006, 06:06 PM
Quote
On the sidewalk stood hordes of the righteous, some leaning forward like wind-bent grasses, the better to deliver their imprecations against gays and fags to the open windows of the limos - the windows open by order of the security people - creeping toward the Kodak Theater for the 78th Academy Awards. Others held up sturdy, professionally crafted signs expressing the same hatred.

I was unaware this was going on...that this was the welcome our crew was met with. Sounds like the start of the evening was almost as bad as the end.

Quote
As in everything related to public extravaganzas, a certain soda pop figured prominently.

Coke.

Quote
The source of the colour was not far away. Down the street, spreading its baleful light everywhere, hung a gigantic, vertical, electric-blue neon sign spelling out S C I E N T O L O G Y.

Paul Haggis is apparently a scientologist.

Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: proulxfan on Mar 12, 2006, 06:45 PM
Wow!
I guess I'm a bit surprised that she went with the "Trash-excuse me-"Crash", gambit, but maybe she's expressing outrage at the mass distribution of the DVDs to the academy voters. I guess I am still in the dark as to exactly how beyond the pale such tactics are in promoting a given film, but I think I saw that topic elsewhere, so I'll go check it out.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 12, 2006, 07:20 PM
Quote
On the sidewalk stood hordes of the righteous, some leaning forward like wind-bent grasses, the better to deliver their imprecations against gays and fags to the open windows of the limos - the windows open by order of the security people - creeping toward the Kodak Theater for the 78th Academy Awards. Others held up sturdy, professionally crafted signs expressing the same hatred.

I was unaware this was going on...that this was the welcome our crew was met with. Sounds like the start of the evening was almost as bad as the end.

Quote
As in everything related to public extravaganzas, a certain soda pop figured prominently.

Coke.

Quote
The source of the colour was not far away. Down the street, spreading its baleful light everywhere, hung a gigantic, vertical, electric-blue neon sign spelling out S C I E N T O L O G Y.

Paul Haggis is apparently a scientologist. 


I think the protesters were Fred Phelp's church group out of Kansas.  It's something his hateful members would do.  They picketed Matthew Sheppards funeral in Wyoming. 
http://www.godhatesfags.com/

I wasn't aware that Paul Haggis was a Scientologist, but that explains Annie's comment.
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_scientologist.html

Thanks
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Cowboy Cody on Mar 12, 2006, 07:25 PM
The more they hate, the more they displease the person they pretend to serve.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 12, 2006, 07:27 PM
The more they hate, the more they displease the person they pretend to serve.

Very true CC.

Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 12, 2006, 07:29 PM
The more they hate, the more they displease the person they pretend to serve.

Ditto.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 12, 2006, 07:44 PM

We should have known conservative heffalump academy voters would have rather different ideas of what was stirring contemporary culture.

When Jack Nicholson said best picture went to Crash, there was a gasp of shock, and then applause from many - the choice was a hit with the home team since the film is set in Los Angeles. It was a safe pick of "controversial film" for the heffalumps. 

A Heffalump is a stuffed bear in a dark hole with its head stuck in a honey pot.

The bear, Pooh*  of course, finds himself there when, by methodically missing the point, he falls into his own trap. Piglet on viewing the apparition:

"Help,  help!"  cried  Piglet, "a Heffalump, a Horrible
Heffalump!" and he scampered off as hard  as  he  could,  still
crying  out,  "Help,  help, a Herrible Hoffalump! Hoff, Hoff, a
Hellible Horralump! Holl, Holl, a Hoffable Hellerump!"


Whatever Piglet would call it.

. . . an enormous big nothing. Like a jar.
______________________

* http://winnie-the-pooh.ru/stories/english/heffalump/   


I had another definition Sept but it's all the same, very strange beings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heffalump

Title: Roeper and Proulx
Post by: tpe on Mar 13, 2006, 08:21 AM
Roeper published a rather ungracious critique of Annie Proulx's comments in the March 13 edition of the Chicago Sun-Times.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep131.html

I wrote him the following letter in response:

As a writer of true artistic merit who seldom minces words, Annie Proulx deserves more respect than is demonstrated in your comments published in the March 13 edition of the Sun-Times.

I am one among many Chicagoans who share her opinion and disappointment.  I think she is on target with her critical comments regarding this year's Oscars.

As I had said to numerous friends, there can be no grace without justice.  In my opinion, the Academy has been weighed in the balance and has been found wanting.  Time will bear out Annie Proulx's critique -- of this I am sure.
Title: Re: Roeper and Proulx
Post by: hidesert on Mar 13, 2006, 08:35 AM
Roeper published a rather ungracious critique of Annie Proulx's comments in the March 13 edition of the Chicago Sun-Times.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep131.html

I wrote him the following letter in response:

As a writer of true artistic merit who seldom minces words, Annie Proulx deserves more respect than is demonstrated in your comments published in the March 13 edition of the Sun-Times.

I am one among many Chicagoans who share her opinion and disappointment.  I think she is on target with her critical comments regarding this year's Oscars.

As I had said to numerous friends, there can be no grace without justice.  In my opinion, the Academy has been weighed in the balance and has been found wanting.  Time will bear out Annie Proulx's critique -- of this I am sure.
 

Thanks for the link TPE. Your response was well crafted.  Roeper shoots from the hip - you can see it in his movie commentaries on Ebert&Roeper.   

It's all history now. 

 
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 13, 2006, 08:44 AM
Thanks, tpe. Reading his commentary makes me really upset. Did he really know what he is talking about? Who is saying that a movie about two gay cowboys is more noble than others? And even with his right prediction of best picture, it doesn't make him "right" either. It just shows that he is able to *think* what the academy would think.

I am going to send him an email.
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'Brokeback' bitching

Author Annie Proulx, who penned the original short story on which "Brokeback Mountain" was based, has joined the chorus of "Brokeback" complainers. In the Guardian, Proulx writes:

"The people connected with 'Brokeback Mountain,' including me, hoped that, having been nominated for eight Academy Awards, it would get Best Picture as it had at the funny, lively Independent Spirit Awards the day before. (If you are looking for smart judging based on merit, skip the Academy Awards next year and pay attention to the Independent Spirit choices.) We should have known the conservative heffalump academy voters would have rather different ideas of what was stirring contemporary culture ..."

I guess that would be the same conservative voting body that awarded best song to "It's Hard Out There for a Pimp."

One week after the Oscars, I'm still hearing from fans of "Brokeback" who are offended and outraged by the best picture win for "Crash." Some folks are even calling me terrible names for predicting a "Crash" victory and saying I didn't believe "Brokeback" should have been nominated.

What can I say? On my list of 2005's best movies, I had "Brokeback Mountain" at No. 7, behind "Syriana," "The New World," "Crash," "Munich," "Nine Lives" and "Capote." So that means I'm homophobic? Please.

The "Brokeback" camp seems to feel their film is morally superior to the other nominated films, particularly "Crash," and that a vote against "Brokeback" is a vote against tolerance.

What a bunch of bull.

Why is a film about two gay cowboys more noble than a film about race relations? Or a movie about an Israeli hit squad avenging the massacre at the Munich Olympic Games? Or a film about an author's book about the murders of an innocent family? Or a movie about a journalist's crusade against a witch-hunting senator?

In two decades of writing about movies, I have never heard such bitching and moaning and griping about a film not winning best picture. Enough is enough. You lost. Try to handle it with some grace.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: tap on Mar 13, 2006, 09:10 AM
"Why is a film about two gay cowboys more noble than a film about race relations?"

It's not that, Roeper! It's the way BBM was submitted to derision by the mainstream media. What empowered people would want to associate themselves with a thing getting relentless derision?!

See:
A Harrowing Affair: Commentary From a Brokeback Mountain Fan

http://www.afterelton.com/movies/2006/3/affair.html
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: dirtbiker on Mar 13, 2006, 11:45 AM
That's it, I'm done with both Roeper's & Eberts childish comments.  I thought Roeper was the more reasonable of the two, but his last rant proved me wrong.  I will be switching channels when I see them on TV just like I do when I see Bush on.   >:(
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: tpe on Mar 13, 2006, 11:47 AM
That's it, I'm done with both Roeper's & Eberts childish comments.  I thought Roeper was the more reasonable of the two, but his last rant proved me wrong.  I will be switching channels when I see them on TV just like I do when I see Bush on.   >:(

dirtbiker, please write to him to express your irritation and disappointment.  I truly believe that HE must continue to know that he is not helping the situation with rants like these.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: jackie62 on Mar 13, 2006, 12:30 PM
Basically the BEST picture should have won--- regardless of topic.

It is clearly too much to hope that academy  people vote with integrity --- rather than strategically to stop another movie that some clearly lack the humanity to understand.

My belief is bbm cast, crew and fans could cope with defeat if a picture fairly judged to be at least bbm's equal had won. This can't be anything other than petty discrimination.

Makes me concerned that in the 21st century that any young actor (either gender) could come out and expect to work at top of their profession --- at least in hollywood. 
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 13, 2006, 06:53 PM
Makes me concerned that in the 21st century that any young actor (either gender) could come out and expect to work at top of their profession --- at least in hollywood. 

Good point. Thanks, jackie62. It's still got a long way to go for gay actors to portray gay characters or even straight characters without any scrutiny.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 13, 2006, 10:10 PM
If all things had been equal and all five films were fairly evaluated by Academy members and a film other than BBM was selected as Best Picture, there wouldn't have been a backlash.  It was the large number of rumors that poured out of LA (home to most Academy members) that members were voting against BBM because of the subject matter, that fanned the early backlash flames.

Roeper and the rest of his ilk are not addressing that issue, they just see it as anti-Crash.  He is entitled to his opinion on any movie, but Roeper, Ebert and the other Crash fans need to recognize that their film didn't win on its merits, it was the spoiler.


Kenneth Turan, LA Times film critic who has a vast amount of credibility in Hollywood wrote about these rumors:

"More than any other of the nominated films, "Brokeback Mountain" was the one people told me they really didn't feel like seeing, didn't really get, didn't understand the fuss over. Did I really like it, they wanted to know. Yes, I really did."   

"In the privacy of the voting booth, as many political candidates who've led in polls only to lose elections have found out, people are free to act out the unspoken fears and unconscious prejudices that they would never breathe to another soul, or, likely, acknowledge to themselves. And at least this year, that acting out doomed "Brokeback Mountain."  - Kenneth Turan, LA Times

Martin Grove of the trade paper, Hollywood Reporter heard the same rumors:

"What some insiders are saying privately is that many Academy members felt so threatened by "Brokeback's" gay cowboy romance they couldn't bring themselves to view it even on DVD. As a result, many votes reportedly were cast much later in the game than is usually the case -- by which time "Crash" was being perceived as a worthy alternative that Academy members could be more comfortable celebrating as the year's best picture. There also may have been fewer votes to count if reports are true that as many as 20% of Academy voters didn't send in their ballots." - Martin Grove, Hollywood Reporter


And Nikke Finke of the LA Weekly predicted it much earlier:

"Way back on January 17th, I decided to nominate the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for Best Bunch of Hypocrites. That’s because I felt this year’s dirty little Oscar secret was the anecdotal evidence pouring in to me about hetero members of the Academy of Motions Picture Arts and Sciences being unwilling to screen Brokeback Mountain. For a community that takes pride in progressive values, it seemed shameful to me that Hollywood’s homophobia could be on a par with Pat Robertson’s. So in the February 1st issue of LA Weekly, I warned that, despite the hype you saw in the press and on the Internet about Brokeback, with its eight nominations, being the supposed favorite to take home the Best Picture Oscar, Crash could end up winning.

Well, turns out I was right. Hollywood showed tonight it isn’t the liberal bastion it once was. That’s pitiful if you’re a progressive, and pleasing if you’re a conservative.

After my column came out, it was picked up by the Drudge Report. Hundreds of angry emailers accused me, and Hollywood, of trying to promote “the homosexual agenda” by somehow “forcing” them to see a movie they found sexually reprehensible. What those emailers failed to comprehend was that the Oscar voters shared their distaste for it."  -  Nikke Finke, LA Weekly


If there is a lot of smoke there is usually a big fire. The rumors were true.


Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 13, 2006, 10:23 PM
If there is a lot of smoke there is usually a big fire. The rumors were true.

Agree. Hidesert, another great post. Thank you very much. I am going to send another letter to the academy including these quotes from your post.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Cowboy Cody on Mar 13, 2006, 10:41 PM
That's it, I'm done with both Roeper's & Eberts childish comments.  I thought Roeper was the more reasonable of the two, but his last rant proved me wrong.  I will be switching channels when I see them on TV just like I do when I see Bush on.   >:(

DB - I think we must have the same tv set or something...mine changes channels automatically when i see dufus on.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Italian_Dude on Mar 14, 2006, 12:22 AM
Why is a film about two gay cowboys more noble than a film about race relations? Or a movie about an Israeli hit squad avenging the massacre at the Munich Olympic Games? Or a film about an author's book about the murders of an innocent family? Or a movie about a journalist's crusade against a witch-hunting senator?

In two decades of writing about movies, I have never heard such bitching and moaning and griping about a film not winning best picture. Enough is enough. You lost. Try to handle it with some grace.


Try and find someone who cares what you think.
I love how movies that weren't even nominated for best picture were ahead of BBM on your glorious list.

And its not that two gay cowboys is MORE noble, its that for once in history, its ACTUALLY talked about in a movie thats gotten wide-release and critcal acclaim. How many racist movies have there been? how many movies about jews? Racism is bad. Black people have rights. Hating jews is wrong. The holocaust ended a while ago.. Gays.. nope, still nothing really great. Maybe THATS WHY we're bitching.

If he want us to stop 'bitching' about brokeback.. its not smart to for him to tell us to 'get over it' and start telling the fans off, cuz then we'll stop bitching about it winning what it rightfully deserved and divert our bitching to him. thats right. ugh.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 15, 2006, 08:58 AM
Why is a film about two gay cowboys more noble than a film about race relations? Or a movie about an Israeli hit squad avenging the massacre at the Munich Olympic Games? Or a film about an author's book about the murders of an innocent family? Or a movie about a journalist's crusade against a witch-hunting senator?

In two decades of writing about movies, I have never heard such bitching and moaning and griping about a film not winning best picture. Enough is enough. You lost. Try to handle it with some grace.

from oscarwatch.com.

"It's worth nothing that, while my seven year-old described Brokeback as a "film about two gay cowboys," I wouldn't really describe it that way. Secondly, In two decades of his writing about the movies rarely has there ever been this much democracy both in terms of writing about movies and access to those who write about movies.

I haven't heard as much bitching and moaning either but I've never seen a film do what Brokeback did and NOT win Best Pic. What I don't get is why Roeper doesn't get it. Or Ebert for that matter. Strange days indeed. "
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: bram on Mar 15, 2006, 09:10 AM
If he's never heard that much bitching and moaning about a movie not winning, doesn't that kind of signal that it's not just because some people liked the movie and wanted it to win? I mean, people have been upset because their favorite movie didn't win before. Doesn't all this hoopla kind of show that this wasn't just some movie that didn't win like all those others?

Also, Crash blew. I would have done a lot less bitching and moaning if something like Munich or really any other one of the choices had one. I still would have been upset, but not nearly as upset as I was.
Title: "Blood on the Red Carpet"
Post by: Lightsrays on Mar 15, 2006, 12:36 PM

Hi people!

How are you. My first post here. Some of you might know me from other boards... By the way does anyone know what happened to the Annie Proulx's board? They took it down yesterday. No reasons given. Anyone knows?

It might be related to the topic of this thread. A lot of homophobic "people" went there to complain about her article (http://film.guardian.co.uk/oscars2006/story/0,,1727312,00.html) at the Guardian. Lots of recriminatory posts.

Anyhow, I was wondering the following... Since she chose as the title of her article "Blood on the Red Carpet", doesn't it imply that homophobia was the REAL reason that Jack was murdered?

So are we finally CERTAIN in what she meant when she wrote: "There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."

As Ennis "now he knew it had been the tire iron" after hearing Jack's father talk, then what he KNEW and what he tried to BELIEVE was a bit apart.

With "Blood on the red carpet" it becomes pretty clear that homophobic violence was the thing that Ennis knew, but tried to believe otherwise.

Do you all agree?



Title: Re: "Blood on the Red Carpet"
Post by: bram on Mar 15, 2006, 12:48 PM
I hadn't really thought about it, but what you said makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: chameau on Mar 15, 2006, 12:58 PM
Welcome aboard Lightsrays, I just merged your topic to this existing one.

Enjoy this forum  ;)
Title: Re: "Blood on the Red Carpet"
Post by: proulxfan on Mar 15, 2006, 01:21 PM
Hmm...
I had always interpreted that line about the open space to mean what he knew: his intense love for Jack Twist, and what he tried to believe: that he wasn't "queer", but your interpretation does open another avenue. Love this story!! And love this forum too!! ;)
Title: Re: "Blood on the Red Carpet"
Post by: tpe on Mar 15, 2006, 01:26 PM
Hi people!

How are you. My first post here. Some of you might know me from other boards... By the way does anyone know what happened to the Annie Proulx's board? They took it down yesterday. No reasons given. Anyone knows?

It might be related to the topic of this thread. A lot of homophobic "people" went there to complain about her article (http://film.guardian.co.uk/oscars2006/story/0,,1727312,00.html) at the Guardian. Lots of recriminatory posts.

Anyhow, I was wondering the following... Since she chose as the title of her article "Blood on the Red Carpet", doesn't it imply that homophobia was the REAL reason that Jack was murdered?

So are we finally CERTAIN in what she meant when she wrote: "There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."

As Ennis "now he knew it had been the tire iron" after hearing Jack's father talk, then what he KNEW and what he tried to BELIEVE was a bit apart.

With "Blood on the red carpet" it becomes pretty clear that homophobic violence was the thing that Ennis knew, but tried to believe otherwise.

Do you all agree?





Very interesting.  Thanks Lightsrays.  I did not know Proulx's site is down.  If it because it is under attack by barbarians, rhwn I hope we are not in their radar screen...
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Tom on Mar 15, 2006, 01:37 PM
You watch BBM and feel that at last thre is hope.

Then these a'holes do this and cause the site to close and you think leave us the hell alone. I for one am sick of these people. Where are their sites , lets go there (no let's not, let's be more dignified and leave bigottry and intolerance to them.

They know nothing about loving the person. I hope their gods are taking note.

Tom
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: tpe on Mar 15, 2006, 01:41 PM
tombul and Lightsrays, we can rest easy for now. The Proulx site apprears to be online again.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Tom on Mar 15, 2006, 02:02 PM
Thanks tpe, much appreciated

Tom
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Lightsrays on Mar 15, 2006, 02:36 PM

The site has been up all along. What they took off was the link to the forum.

Go to the FAQ part and then look for the Forum in there and click on it.

You are going to see.

Let me know what you find.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 15, 2006, 04:49 PM
Let me know what you find.

From her website.

"news

03/15/06: forum down

The site will be changing over the next couple of months as we move to a new host and upgrade our software. I appreciate your patience. "
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: shieldmaid on Mar 15, 2006, 06:06 PM
Here's a link to another version of this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/15/film.proulx.ap/index.html

I'm so proud of Ms. Proulx for not mincing words, for standing up for a work of art we all believe in, and for demonstrating the power of words (and cinema) to make life meaningful.  (again, I come back to my eternal question: WHY wasn't she shown on film at the Oscars???  Sorry if this was covered elsewhere--I've been swamped at work lately.  :))
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 15, 2006, 06:10 PM
I'm so proud of Ms. Proulx for not mincing words, for standing up for a work of art we all believe in, and for demonstrating the power of words (and cinema) to make life meaningful.  (again, I come back to my eternal question: WHY wasn't she shown on film at the Oscars???  Sorry if this was covered elsewhere--I've been swamped at work lately.  :))

Hello shieldmaid, thank you for your post.

I too am very proud of her and she should be proud of her works as well. Regarding your question - Although I haven't seen any discussion why she was not shown on TV, my take is that she would prefer not to be shown given that she is a very private person.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: aimi15 on Mar 15, 2006, 06:11 PM
Here's a link to another version of this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/15/film.proulx.ap/index.html

I'm so proud of Ms. Proulx for not mincing words, for standing up for a work of art we all believe in, and for demonstrating the power of words (and cinema) to make life meaningful.  (again, I come back to my eternal question: WHY wasn't she shown on film at the Oscars???  Sorry if this was covered elsewhere--I've been swamped at work lately.  :))
I agree, its refreshing to hear someone that does put her point of view across for something she believes in , irrespective of any backlash her views may create. I get sick of all the insincerity in fameland, Annie rocks for standing up to be counted!
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 15, 2006, 09:42 PM

Annie Proulx's website, www.annieproulx.com is up, but the "Forum" is gone.  Don't know if the Forum was removed temporarily or permanently.  Shame that a highly respected writer can't express her opinion without having her website trashed.  Sounds like a homophobic response to me.

   
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 15, 2006, 09:45 PM

Annie Proulx's website, www.annieproulx.com is up, but the "Forum" is gone.  Don't know if the Forum was removed temporarily or permanently.  Shame that a highly respected writer can't express her opinion without having her website trashed.  Sounds like a homophobic response to me.

From her website.

"news

03/15/06: forum down

The site will be changing over the next couple of months as we move to a new host and upgrade our software. I appreciate your patience. "
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Lightsrays on Mar 15, 2006, 09:52 PM
I too am very proud of her and she should be proud of her works as well. Regarding your question - Although I haven't seen any discussion why she was not shown on TV, my take is that she would prefer not to be shown given that she is a very private person.

I don't think that she asked not to be shown. Otherwise Diana O. would not have spoken about her.

I think what happened was that they didn't want to look like they were pandering to the "gay agenda" that conservatives have been accused Hollywood of doing.

I don't think they "votes" were even counted!

The best analisis of the loss I read on the Huffington Post. By a poster. Here it is:

I liked both movies. I read Brokeback Mountain a few years ago -- and for those of you not in the know, it was written by a straight woman. It's a slow simple story -- and part of its beauty is in what is not said really being as important as what is said. For those of you who thought it was boring, perhaps you should stay home and play video games. Deep thought is not for those who need bombs and car chases and excitment every second.

This whole argument of Crash vs. Brokeback Mountain has nothing to do with homophobia or which movie was better (they were both great), or which movie the academy members could most relate to. The whole thing comes down to a "rigged voting system" when it suits the academy and this year it suited them. Does anybody truly believe that "It's Hard Out Here Being a Pimp" was really the best song? Is it even a song that should have been nominated at all? Ugh! I think not. Look, the academy and its members have taken so much shit over the last few years for not recognizing "more people of color" or "historically unrepresented minorities". Academy members are being force fed all this PC stuff so the only thing they can do is cave into the pressure from those who feel "our community is not being recognized!" Right, as if the thing that is really holding these "communities" back, wheather it's gay, black, latino, muslim, christian or whatever is hinged on winning Academy Awards. We all know the worst thing you can accuse the academy of is not being tolerant or "inclusive." It's like all these groups are threatening Hollywood with the dreaded "B" word... bigot.

So the reality has now arrived: truly mediocre, and often bad, acheivments in film and music are being recognized as "brilliance" so that people can feel good about "representing my peeps" and along the way becoming some sort of cultural icon, as if what they have acheived in film is comparable to the contributions to humanity made by Martin Luther King Jr, Cesar Chavez, Yoyo Ma, Kiri Takanowa, Paul Williams (the architect)and all those drag queens who fought so hard during the Stonewall riots.

Now what is truly excellent has to compete with the truly mediocre. Everone needs to be pleased and represented these days or there will be a law suit or a boycott pending. It's such a bunch of bullshit and it's really, really sad.

Someone from the black community now has to win something every year (It's Hard Out Here....) Someone from the gay community has to win (BB Mountain 3 awards, and let's not forget that "the Industry" is heavily gay). The Asian community has recently been aggravated about lack of representation on screen and nominations so Memories of A Geisha took three Oscars.

Everything this year at the Oscars was nice and safe and fair and dull. An awards show designed and dedicated to offending nobody.

I think the awards for Best Song, Best Make-up and Best Visual Effects were much more contaversial that Best Movie. Who on Earth would give King Kong a nomination for anything? On second thought, who would give George Clooney an Oscar for acting?

Posted by: louisxix on March 12, 2006 at 08:00pm
 


As you can see the "votes" were STRATEGICALLY "given" so it's an IMPOSSIBILITY that they were REAL votes.

And the Associate Press - part of this whole conspiracy to keep the conservative discourse going - finishes their "article" on AP with the following:

Quote
Calls by the Associated Press to Proulx's Wyoming home and her literary agent, Elizabeth Darhansoff, were not immediately returned Tuesday.

Did they wait more than "immediate" seconds in order to publish that traparently bashing article on her?

They answer the question, don't they?






Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 15, 2006, 09:54 PM

Annie Proulx's website, www.annieproulx.com is up, but the "Forum" is gone.  Don't know if the Forum was removed temporarily or permanently.  Shame that a highly respected writer can't express her opinion without having her website trashed.  Sounds like a homophobic response to me.

From her website.

"news

03/15/06: forum down

The site will be changing over the next couple of months as we move to a new host and upgrade our software. I appreciate your patience. " 

Thanks Ethan.  The AP Forum was good, but different than this site.  Glad they'll be coming back.

   
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Lightsrays on Mar 15, 2006, 10:02 PM

Annie Proulx's website, www.annieproulx.com is up, but the "Forum" is gone.  Don't know if the Forum was removed temporarily or permanently.  Shame that a highly respected writer can't express her opinion without having her website trashed.  Sounds like a homophobic response to me.

From her website.

"news

03/15/06: forum down

The site will be changing over the next couple of months as we move to a new host and upgrade our software. I appreciate your patience. " 

Thanks Ethan.  The AP Forum was good, but different than this site.  Glad they'll be coming back.

   

Yes. Thanks Ethan! I guess they put that up just before we talked. When I looked there I could not find anything. I guess they want to "pass time" so that people will not troll much there.

And I liked her board. The simplicity of it was very appealling.

Here there are sooooooo many subdivisions. It's overwhelming.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Lightsrays on Mar 15, 2006, 11:03 PM
Another good, telling, "subtle" one:

Posted by: HollywoodFilth on March 14, 2006 at 10:26pm [/list][/color]


How come then Crash "won" after BBM won ALL the other ones??

These people are so transparent.



Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 15, 2006, 11:10 PM
These people are so transparent.

Good one. Thanks for posting this. And it says a lot, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: frenchcda on Mar 16, 2006, 12:58 AM
Dear LIGTHSRAY I understand your comment that it " Brokeback Mountain has not won at the Oscars and lost only ONE award according to your post.
   However to most of America and the millions who specially tuned in to the show,
  boosting it ratings after years of decline,
  it was in the hope to see whether the Hollywood stigma had finally eroded
  and that it had come to terms with the homophobic attitude that cursed as so to speak its peers.
  Ever since " Rock Hudson's " death Hollywood has tried to post a more liberal views of its minorities
  IE: blacks, Latinos, Chinese, and many more,
  but when it came to gays or anything in relevance to it,
  its shoved it under the carpet,
  so having had an acknowledgment for BBM receiving the best film would have diluted the suspicions of the old mantra
 " don't tell we wont speak of it"
 But no they acted like stupid fools and ignorant as any who wish to contend it was a ll fair game.
 In the other context of things
 what GOOD came of the Academy is that BBM did not have won the OSCARS for best film,
 BUT one thing is for sure it WON the hearts of millions around the world....
 and that the Academy couldn't get,
 and as for Crash well good luck and good night as we say,
 they can keep the Oscars,
 it will take a few more years to get back to the podium,
 however BBM will prevail as the Classic that put us up there in the forefront
 as the invisible majority who have been silence too long.
 That in itself is the gift form what came out of the Academy, for that alone, I say thank you
 and yet it had already wond ten times fold, no matter the outcome
 Peace
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Lightsrays on Mar 16, 2006, 11:04 AM
Dear LIGTHSRAY I understand your comment that it " Brokeback Mountain has not won at the Oscars and lost only ONE award according to your post.
   However to most of America and the millions who specially tuned in to the show,
  boosting it ratings after years of decline,
  it was in the hope to see whether the Hollywood stigma had finally eroded
  and that it had come to terms with the homophobic attitude that cursed as so to speak its peers.
  Ever since " Rock Hudson's " death Hollywood has tried to post a more liberal views of its minorities
  IE: blacks, Latinos, Chinese, and many more,
  but when it came to gays or anything in relevance to it,
  its shoved it under the carpet,
  so having had an acknowledgment for BBM receiving the best film would have diluted the suspicions of the old mantra
 " don't tell we wont speak of it"
 


You missed the subtlety of it. Only ONE recognition was not given to BBM, all the other awards gave them the Best Film. YET, the same people vote for *ALL* these other awards.

What the writer was saying was: the voting "results" were RIGGED.

Read it again. And then complain with them. Not me.

I am just pointing this out to naive people who still thinks this is about "homophobia".

This is about ECONOMICS.

They didn't want to upset the present administration. They are making sure their discourse keeps going on.. Which IS homophobic, but that's another matter.

 
Title: 'Brokeback' writer voices truth on Oscars' relevance
Post by: tpe on Mar 17, 2006, 01:07 PM
From http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/14121523.htm


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Posted on Fri, Mar. 17, 2006

KAREN HERSHENSON: CINERAMA
'Brokeback' writer voices truth on Oscars' relevance

WE HAD a spirited discussion in the newsroom this morning about comments made by Annie Proulx, author of the slender short story "Brokeback Mountain," which director Ang Lee turned into a breathtakingly nuanced big-screen picture. You may have heard of it: a couple of hunky actors, a wide-open Western backdrop, behavior many found unbefitting a cowboy.

As you may also know, the movie seemed unstoppable heading into the Academy Awards, having already swept most of the big awards ceremonies. There were whispers that the multilayered race melodrama "Crash" might come up from behind, but I for one dismissed them -- "Crash" was nowhere near the movie that "Brokeback" was. It had moments of brilliance, to be sure, but it was overly ambitious, almost ham-handed in its earnestness.

So when Jack Nicholson blurted out that "Crash" had won best picture, collective jaws dropped. I was on serious deadline at that point, helping to get our Oscar coverage into the next day's paper; still, I wandered around the office, fuming. It seemed like such a cop-out, the Academy backing away from controversy yet again.

I can only imagine what Annie Proulx was doing, because last weekend she spewed in The Guardian, a British newspaper. A 1,094-word rant, as brilliant and precise as her Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Shipping News."

The red carpet in front of the theatre was larger than the Red Sea. ... Sequins, diamonds, glass beads, trade beads sparkled like the interior of a salt mine.

And then the harsher stuff. That Jon Stewart was "witty and quick, too witty, too quick, too eastern perhaps for the somewhat dim L.A. crowd."

And of course the harsh words about "Crash":

She called them "conservative heffalump academy voters," who were "out of touch, not only with the shifting larger culture and the yeasty ferment that is America these days, but also out of touch with their own segregated city."

Cut to Wednesday morning, the day this section goes to press. A good friend at the paper came over to my desk and stated flat out: "Annie Proulx is on my list." She was appalled that even this notoriously sharp-tongued author would lash out at the Academy, which did award "Brokeback" with three high honors -- best director, best adapted screenplay, best original score. To her, Proulx's anger seemed downright tacky.

Normally, I would agree with her. But Proulx's rant hit on something those of us who love film -- really love it -- have been realizing for years now: The Academy Awards have lost their relevance. They've been upstaged by awards that are more in tune with reality, such as the Independent Spirit Awards, which Proulx cited, even the Golden Globes, which are way more fun.

Instead of being a body of professionals who consistently recognize truly great films, the Academy consistently caves in to political pressure, and the fear of public backlash. Prizes going to artists to make up for previous years' slights. George Clooney getting best supporting actor because they couldn't reward his directing talents.

Until Oscar voters find the courage to make the hard calls, their Big Night will continue to slip in our esteem and the ratings.
Movie lovers deserve better.

Karen Hershenson is the Arts and Entertainment editor of the Times. Reach her at khershen@cctimes.com or 925-943-8252.
Title: Re: 'Brokeback' writer voices truth on Oscars' relevance
Post by: ethan on Mar 17, 2006, 01:46 PM
Until Oscar voters find the courage to make the hard calls, their Big Night will continue to slip in our esteem and the ratings.
Movie lovers deserve better.


tpe, thanks for posting this article. Yes, it is time for movie lovers to do something.
Title: Re: 'Brokeback' writer voices truth on Oscars' relevance
Post by: tpe on Mar 17, 2006, 01:55 PM
Until Oscar voters find the courage to make the hard calls, their Big Night will continue to slip in our esteem and the ratings.
Movie lovers deserve better.


tpe, thanks for posting this article. Yes, it is time for movie lovers to do something.

I forsee not seeing the charade for the rest of my life -- to hell with Oscar Parties.  ;)
Title: Re: 'Brokeback' writer voices truth on Oscars' relevance
Post by: chameau on Mar 17, 2006, 01:58 PM
Until Oscar voters find the courage to make the hard calls, their Big Night will continue to slip in our esteem and the ratings.
Movie lovers deserve better.


tpe, thanks for posting this article. Yes, it is time for movie lovers to do something.

Ditto!
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: Toadily on Mar 17, 2006, 06:31 PM
I had lost interest in the Oscars years ago.  I found them to be just a big party, when someone didn't get an award they get one later (ie Paul Newman) etc.  I only watched this year cause of BBM, but that's it.
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 17, 2006, 09:57 PM
I had lost interest in the Oscars years ago.  I found them to be just a big party, when someone didn't get an award they get one later (ie Paul Newman) etc.  I only watched this year cause of BBM, but that's it. 

Same here.  They reward crap with $400.00 statuettes and fail to honor individuals and films that are outstanding.   They have made themselves irrelevant.

 

Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ethan on Mar 17, 2006, 09:59 PM
Same here.  They reward crap with $400.00 statuettes and fail to honor individuals and films that are outstanding.   They have made themselves irrelevant.

Only $400.00? OK. It makes me feel even better. BBM can skip the statuettes.  ;D
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: hidesert on Mar 17, 2006, 10:28 PM
Same here.  They reward crap with $400.00 statuettes and fail to honor individuals and films that are outstanding.   They have made themselves irrelevant.

Only $400.00? OK. It makes me feel even better. BBM can skip the statuettes.  ;D 

Yeah the latest price for the electro plated britannium statuette - I think they got stiffed.   ;D

A number of years ago I moved and needed to register to vote and a local couple were deputy registrars so I  went to their house.  While I was sitting in their living room, I spied an Oscar on the book shelf and I asked them about it.  It belonged to a friend who had died - he received it for some technical innovation.  It was heavier than I expected (presently 8.5 lbs) but very atractive.

Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: proulxfan on Mar 20, 2006, 09:59 PM
I had lost interest in the Oscars years ago.  I found them to be just a big party, when someone didn't get an award they get one later (ie Paul Newman) etc.  I only watched this year cause of BBM, but that's it.
You and I are on the exact same page. I had not watched the Oscars for many years, and watched this year only because of BBM. And I knew I was just setting myself up to be disappointed again. Well I won't make that mistake in future years, and can content myself with catching parts of other awards programs. ( I actually find them all hard to watch; I think they are-bottom line-boring.)
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: ms.bluesky on Jul 15, 2006, 01:11 PM
stupid crash
Title: Re: Annie Proulx on how her Brokeback Oscar hopes were dashed by Crash
Post by: chameau on Jul 16, 2006, 08:20 PM
stupid crash

Mhhh... not stupid.  Just made in Los Angeles, not made in Canada and for you ms.bluesky not made in Alberta  ;)  Hollywood doens't like movies made out of Hollywood, period!