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Title: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 28, 2006, 03:51 PM
Heath Ledger And Ang Lee Brokeback Mountain interview with Charlie Rose Video - 12/7/05

http://www.heathledgercentral.com/bbcharlieroseinterview.html

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Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: ethan on Jan 28, 2006, 03:54 PM
Heath Ledger And Ang Lee Brokeback Mountain interview with Charlie Rose Video - 12/7/05

http://www.heathledgercentral.com/bbcharlieroseinterview.html

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Me me me...(I am raising my hand). Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 28, 2006, 04:08 PM
So many great answers from Ang! Wow...
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: ethan on Jan 28, 2006, 04:14 PM
Did it take long to load the file? I have waited it to load since you posted the link. Maybe it is traffic jam?
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: ennisandjack on Jan 28, 2006, 04:17 PM
Who loves me now??


Awww we always loved you  :)
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 28, 2006, 04:19 PM
Did it take long to load the file? I have waited it to load since you posted the link. Maybe it is traffic jam?

No it is working fine, but i cannot forward it to Heath's interview yet...it's loading gradually, am still at Ang's interview...its a really long interview!!!
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 28, 2006, 04:20 PM
Ok, I've got Heath now...he is gorgeous with his little tie..
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 28, 2006, 04:43 PM
Didn't I hear someone mention Tiffany's???

stationbbm...take your time...I'm browsing the Tiffany's web site at mo! I like the 1837 range! LOL ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: stationbbm on Jan 28, 2006, 05:35 PM
Didn't I hear someone mention Tiffany's???

stationbbm...take your time...I'm browsing the Tiffany's web site at mo! I like the 1837 range! LOL ;D ;D ;D

Froggy:  O my goodness!  You have taken on sainthood. You and Ethan should make sure to put this Charlie Rose interview as a headline on the front of the forum website.  This makes Oprah's segment seem trivial.  Word of advice...Lead all the BBM regulars to this amazing, amazing interview. I cannot believe that this slipped through the cracks in all the pre-release material that was going around.  Ang Lee and Heath Ledger are captivating in their response to Rose's questioning.  Please make sure that the BBM forum audience is pointed directly to the link. Awesome in its content.  This is marvelous to watch; I was fixated on every word they said.  Also, be sure to tell folks that there is some loading time to get the interview to show up on most computers.  Patience will payoff for the gem of an interview that this is. 

Brilliant find, Froggy!  All kidding aside, you and Ethan are doing a marvelous job in reaching those who have been so profoundly impacted by this film.  This whole forum is a HUGE, HUGE SUCCESS.  I hope that there are others who will be equally blessed by your great effort.

stationbbm
Title: Re: Charlie rose
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 28, 2006, 05:57 PM
Word of advice...Lead all the BBM regulars to this amazing, amazing interview. I cannot believe that this slipped through the cracks in all the pre-release material that was going around.  Ang Lee and Heath Ledger are captivating in their response to Rose's questioning.  Please make sure that the BBM forum audience is pointed directly to the link. Awesome in its content.  This is marvelous to watch; I was fixated on every word they said.  Also, be sure to tell folks that there is some loading time to get the interview to show up on most computers.  Patience will payoff for the gem of an interview that this is. 

Yeah..it sure is a great interview..Ethan's changed the thread's title to make sure more members see it!


Brilliant find, Froggy!  All kidding aside, you and Ethan are doing a marvelous job in reaching those who have been so profoundly impacted by this film.  This whole forum is a HUGE, HUGE SUCCESS.  I hope that there are others who will be equally blessed by your great effort.stationbbm

thank you stationbbm, Ethan's forum is indeed amazing...I'm just glad I came upon it one day!
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: hidesert on Jan 28, 2006, 08:49 PM
ALL HAIL FROGGY THE GREAT !!!!!!!

I went out for a few hours and Froggy works this miracle while I was gone.   

Add another 2 grand to that Tiffany order, my contribution for an outstanding job!

Vintage Charlie Rose interviews - his oak table can be intimidating to new interviewees but Ang is used to it.  Charlie's interviews are almost like intimate talks with celebrities and politicos mostly.  He's able to get inside of the people he interviews like they are telling him their secrets. 

I wish Charlie would do an interview with the whole BBM cast like the Oprah one. 
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 28, 2006, 08:51 PM
Well people keep talking about Tiffany's but ain't seen nuttin yet! ;D
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: hidesert on Jan 28, 2006, 09:27 PM


The check is in the mail Froggy. It'll be there any day.  ;D


Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: karind1 on Jan 29, 2006, 03:31 AM
that charliae rose show was an unbelievable find?  how did you do that--it was fu%k*ng unreal it was so good.  wow...thanks
karin
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 29, 2006, 03:44 AM
that charliae rose show was an unbelievable find?  how did you do that--it was fu%k*ng unreal it was so good.  wow...thanks
karin

I had a great motivation!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: glacier1 on Jan 29, 2006, 09:03 AM
After Oprah's very disappointing show, I hoped Charlie Rose or some other competent journalist would focus on the film.   Studios audiences almost always adversely affect the tone and quality of the interview.   Thanks for the link!   I'm hoping for a follow up with Mr. Rose, perhaps exploring the film's impact.
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: hidesert on Jan 29, 2006, 09:27 AM
TRIVIA:  While I was searching in vain for the Charlie Rose interview, I discovered on the charlierose.com website that they also have a forum discussing BBM: 

http://boards.charlierose.com/board/topic.asp?ti=16113

Different type of discussion than this board - interesting but different - more a literary discussion.

       
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: Sanne on Jan 29, 2006, 12:28 PM
Thanks !  :-*
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: monicita on Jan 30, 2006, 10:30 AM
Wow, totally blown away by the interviews. I love Ang. And Heath is a darling. So unhollywoodian...

Froggy, I salute you!

monicita
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: sweetlilg on Jan 30, 2006, 06:15 PM
thank u froggy! u're the best!!  ;)

Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Jan 31, 2006, 01:55 PM
Wow, totally blown away by the interviews. I love Ang. And Heath is a darling. So unhollywoodian...

Froggy, I salute you!

monicita

 ;D

thank u froggy! u're the best!!  ;)



I know I know! Hehehe!
LOL
 ;D
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: frenchcda on Feb 13, 2006, 10:25 PM
Thank's Frogg123 for the Charlie Rose interview, quite awesome. I know now they never tought one moment thsi movie would have that kind of effect, that is such a great achievement of their part, they deserve every honor they can muster. Bravo.
 
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: backtobrokeback on Feb 15, 2006, 04:17 PM
Froggy HELP!  I get nothing from that site - only a black screen.  Nothing ever loads, not even a few seconds.  What's up??  Is it the site maybe?  Did they take it down?  Or my browser?  (I'm at work, so it should be lightning fast).

-btb
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Feb 15, 2006, 05:01 PM
Froggy HELP!  I get nothing from that site - only a black screen.  Nothing ever loads, not even a few seconds.  What's up??  Is it the site maybe?  Did they take it down?  Or my browser?  (I'm at work, so it should be lightning fast).

-btb

When you open the page, first clic on play/pause, and let the file upload, it does take a very long time, coz it is a very big file...be patient..it will work!!
 ;)
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: backtobrokeback on Feb 15, 2006, 05:32 PM
OMG you are magic!  I got about one second of music and could see CHARLIE RO--- on the screen and then it stopped.  I hope after it loads it will continue.  Before that, I was getting nothing at all, honestly.

-btb
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: jeddd on Feb 16, 2006, 03:24 PM
Funny inconsistancy.  Ang is convinced Jack is murdered.  According to McMurty's Advocate interview, you cannot assume anything regarding Jack's death.  It's Ennis' fear that leads him to believe it was murder.  Odd how filmmakers on the same project interpret the same material differently.

Thanks for the video post.
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: backtobrokeback on Feb 16, 2006, 06:28 PM
Got it!  What a great interview, of both of them. 

***

As for the ambiguity, I think that remained quite well in the film, in particular in Anne Hathaway's careful performance of that scene.  I could speculate that as a director, Ang Lee maybe had to find a way for the story to unfold in his own mind, so that he could proceed with decisions about tone and give direction to Anne, and put the flash of the murder in the right context.  Ambiguity may be the context, but just as we feel a need to decide one way or the other here on this board, I'm SURE he and the actors needed to find a way out of that ambiguity too; if no one really has a clear belief of what happened, the scene could very well slip from ambiguity to confusion or irrelevance.  It didn't, thank goodness.  It was brilliantly done, in part because Heath knew that Ennis *believed* in the tire iron, regardless of what Ang himself believes.

-backtobrokeback
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Feb 16, 2006, 06:35 PM
Got it!  What a great interview, of both of them. 

I'm glad you could see the interview!

x Froggy
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: azur on Feb 17, 2006, 10:39 PM
Like backtobro, I've tried several times to watch this interview online and it just ran a little while and then stopped.   Troubled by this, I did a google search and found a link where you can download it via BT...In such a way, you don't have to be interrupted by stops and stars...and can save it into your collection of BBM Interviews.  I already did since this interview is the best one I've ever seen so far...very detailed and to the point.

The quality of the clip is high and about 232 MB.  Enjoy~~

http://www.mininova.org/tor/172079
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: ethan on Feb 17, 2006, 10:41 PM
Like backtobro, I've tried several times to watch this interview online and it just ran a little while and then stopped.   Troubled by this, I did a google search and found a link where you can download it via BT...In such a way, you don't have to be interrupted by stops and stars...and can save it into your collection of BBM Interviews.  I already did since this interview is the best one I've ever seen so far...very detailed and to the point.

The quality of the clip is high and about 232 MB.  Enjoy~~

Hello azur, thanks so much for posting this link. Welcome to the forum and enjoy your time here.
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: Bronco on Feb 22, 2006, 05:20 PM
Heellluuuooooo...

i opened the link for the Rose interview, but only get a black box for quicktime.  I'm using a mac, and nothing happens.  i tried hitting PLAY, but still nothing, even reloaded the page doesn't help....

i saw the interview in dec. and i have been looking for a copy every since.  So any suggestions?

thanks
bronco
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Feb 22, 2006, 05:21 PM
Heellluuuooooo...

i opened the link for the Rose interview, but only get a black box for quicktime.  I'm using a mac, and nothing happens.  i tried hitting PLAY, but still nothing, even reloaded the page doesn't help....

i saw the interview in dec. and i have been looking for a copy every since.  So any suggestions?

thanks
bronco


yep, once its open, clic on play/pause and wait for the file to upload, it is a very long file and takes its time, even with broadband!
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: frenchcda on Mar 06, 2006, 07:50 PM
Like backtobro, I've tried several times to watch this interview online and it just ran a little while and then stopped.   Troubled by this, I did a google search and found a link where you can download it via BT...In such a way, you don't have to be interrupted by stops and stars...and can save it into your collection of BBM Interviews.  I already did since this interview is the best one I've ever seen so far...very detailed and to the point.

The quality of the clip is high and about 232 MB.  Enjoy~~

http://www.mininova.org/tor/172079
I cas you haven't notice there is no one to seed this file, is there any other pace where one can download this awesoem file for KEEP SAKE   please and thank you for your effort, still bawlling my eyes out after seeing too many music montage!
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: androphile on Mar 11, 2006, 03:15 PM
I desperately want to see or read this interview. Been a fan of Charlie Rose for years and am hopelessly in love with BBM, story and film. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with a dial-up Web connection for the time being and downloading this interview would probably literally take all day. Does anyone know of a text-only transcript of the interview available online? Thanks for your time. Love to all my fellow Brokies!
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: chameau on Mar 11, 2006, 03:19 PM
I desperately want to see or read this interview. Been a fan of Charlie Rose for years and am hopelessly in love with BBM, story and film. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with a dial-up Web connection for the time being and downloading this interview would probably literally take all day. Does anyone know of a text-only transcript of the interview available online? Thanks for your time. Love to all my fellow Brokies!


Here we go:

http://www.heathledgercentral.com/bbcharlieroseinterview.html
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: androphile on Mar 11, 2006, 04:36 PM
Thanks, chameau, but this link just goes to the regular (i.e., visual) interview. I tried searching around on the rest of the heathledgercentral.com website but couldn't find anything. I'm just looking for plain text, no pictures.
Thanks!
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: chameau on Mar 11, 2006, 04:38 PM
I never heard of anything in writing aount this.  When our Queen of Brokeback will be on line, she may have something.
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Mar 12, 2006, 11:28 AM
I'm just looking for plain text, no pictures.
Thanks!

Not sure about that...I looked around but could not find anything...maybe someone will be able to help ??? Anyone ???
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: pichayaaznbabe on Mar 12, 2006, 09:11 PM
frog123, Jack Nasty loves ya! ;)
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: *Froggy* on Mar 13, 2006, 05:59 PM
frog123, Jack Nasty loves ya! ;)

;)
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: ennis_lover on Jul 09, 2006, 11:35 PM
Heath Ledger And Ang Lee Brokeback Mountain interview with Charlie Rose Video - 12/7/05

http://www.heathledgercentral.com/bbcharlieroseinterview.html

Who loves me now??
thanxssssssssssssssssssssssss sooooooooooooooo much ur awesome
                                                 ennis_lover
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: Nikita111 on Dec 09, 2007, 11:42 AM
the site is down   ^*)
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: freetraveller on Dec 11, 2007, 12:24 PM
the site is down   ^*)

Unfortunately Heathledgercentral closed down a long time ago.
But I think you can still watch the interview on youtube:
try this link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb3xU4nrz10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb3xU4nrz10)


(I found it with google but I can't try if it works, because I'm at work, and youtube is disabled on my work PC).


If you're interested, there is also a way to download clips from youtube. You need to install the FLV player on your PC, then go to http://keepvid.com (http://keepvid.com), enter the youtube link for the video clip you want in the field on keepvid home page, under "Download videos DIRECT from most video sites" & follow the instructions on the keepvid site.

I love that Charlie Rose interview, by the way!!!
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: chameau on Dec 11, 2007, 03:41 PM
Looks like the youtube link is good.  Thanks Paola  ^f^
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: freetraveller on Dec 11, 2007, 05:00 PM
No problem, Pierre  8)  :)
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: Nikita111 on Dec 12, 2007, 04:37 AM
Unfortunately Heathledgercentral closed down a long time ago.
But I think you can still watch the interview on youtube:
try this link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb3xU4nrz10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb3xU4nrz10)


(I found it with google but I can't try if it works, because I'm at work, and youtube is disabled on my work PC).


If you're interested, there is also a way to download clips from youtube. You need to install the FLV player on your PC, then go to http://keepvid.com (http://keepvid.com), enter the youtube link for the video clip you want in the ield on keepvid home page, under "Download videos DIRECT from most video sites" & follow the instructions on the keepvid site.

I love that Charlie Rose interview, by the way!!!


 Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     ^f^  I am dowloading it now
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: freetraveller on Dec 12, 2007, 09:22 AM
You're welcome, Nikita.
Happy viewing,
Paola
Title: Charlie Rose Show: Heath Ledger Remembered (1/22/2008);
Post by: jetzenpolis on Jan 28, 2008, 08:29 PM
You can also see the show on the Charlie Rose website, too:


Charlie Rose Show: A remembrance of Heath Ledger 1/22/2008
(excerpts from 12/07/2005 interview)
www.charlierose.com/guests/heath-ledger



Charlie Rose Show: A conversation about the film "Brokeback Mountain" 12/07/2005
(interviews: Ang Lee, Heath Ledger)
www.charlierose.com/shows/2005/12/07/1/a-conversation-about-the-film-brokeback-mountain


If you can't download the Flash player, you can watch it on YouTube, on the link freetraveller gives.

...you can still watch the interview on youtube:
try this link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb3xU4nrz10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb3xU4nrz10)


Thank you, freetraveller, for saying you can find the interview on YouTube.  I could only watch it on YouTube.  I can't get the Flash player from the Charlie Rose Show on the computer at my local public library Internet terminal.

"A remembrance of Heath Ledger" 1/22/2008 provides a short excerpt of Heath Ledger's comments on the earlier 12/07/2005 Charlie Rose interview


Title: A remembrance of Heath Ledger 1/22/2008: "Be Still" advice to Heath Ledger
Post by: jetzenpolis on Jan 28, 2008, 08:47 PM
In the remembrance interview (taken from the longer 12/05/2005 Brokeback Mountain Ang Lee, Heath Ledger interview), Heath Ledger talks about Ang Lee's response to his nervous use of his hands while gesturing while he struggles to speak.  Ang Lee told him: "be still."

Heath Ledger said the advice helped him.  He also said that being in the Rocky Mountains also stilled his mind because of their natural beauty.

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Charlie Rose Show: A remembrance of Heath Ledger 1/22/2008
(excerpts from 12/07/2005 interview)
www.charlierose.com/guests/heath-ledger
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: chameau on Jan 28, 2008, 09:12 PM
Thanks for the links jetzenpolis   ^f^
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: tpe on Jan 29, 2008, 09:48 AM
Thanks for the links jetzenpolis   ^f^

I echo this.  Thanks, jetzenpolis!
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: jetzenpolis on Jan 29, 2008, 08:51 PM
A couple of more points taken from the Charlie Rose Ang Lee/Heath Ledger interview (shown on YouTube):

about 12 minutes into the interview: Ang Lee discusses how he sees the characters of Ennis and Jack

about 47 minutes into the interview: Heath Ledger describes how he had to "mature" as both actor and human being to play Ennis

Ang Lee sees Ennis as representing the "masculine" Old West but not as a John Wayne type hero.  Ennis has the "melancholy" of the post nineteenth century West which is no longer a wild, wide open frontier.  As a result of this melancholy, Ennis is "vulnerable."  Jack, who is a completely different character, is the other great American hero, the "romantic dreamer."


I'm glad you like the links chameau and tpe!


Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: tpe on Jan 30, 2008, 08:53 AM
The link and (more so) your comments are greatly appreciated, jetzenpolis. 

I love this one the most -- so endearing.

Ang Lee told him: "be still."
Title: Re: A remembrance of Heath Ledger 1/22/2008: "Be Still" advice to Heath Ledger
Post by: Raisa on Jan 30, 2008, 01:01 PM
Charlie Rose Show: A remembrance of Heath Ledger 1/22/2008
(excerpts from 12/07/2005 interview)
www.charlierose.com/guests/heath-ledger

Thank you jetzenpolis! This truly is 'must see'!
Title: "Stillness": Charle Rose Show 12/07/2005 Ang Lee; Heath Ledger interviews
Post by: jetzenpolis on Jan 31, 2008, 08:14 PM
The link and (more so) your comments are greatly appreciated, jetzenpolis. 

I love this one the most -- so endearing.

Ang Lee told him: "be still."

Thank you jetzenpolis! This truly is 'must see'!

Yes, tpe, Ennis, I love that thought about "stillness", too.  It's one more perspective that Heath Ledger took toward Brokeback Mountain (and perhaps life, too) that makes me stop.  I simply admire it and the sort of person he must be for having been able to see things that way.

Ennis seems to have had so little "stillness."  (Perhaps Heath Ledger, too, it seems.) 

Carmilla, I completely agree with you that the Charlie Rose interview with Ang Lee and Heath Ledger is a "must see" interview.  It provides a lot of perspective on how the director and one of its two lead male actors saw the characters, themselves, in their interpretations of them.  (Annie Proulx thought that Heath Ledger's performance was outstanding.  She said that when she first saw Heath Ledger on the screen, in the movie, she felt she was seeing Ennis come to life before her very eyes.  She's also reported as having said that she learned new things from Heath Ledger about Ennis that she had never thought of before.  She admitted having the "sour grapes" of bitterness toward the Oscars for not having awarded Heath Ledger an Oscar for "best male actor.")

I'm still amazed Heath Ledger's portrayal of Ennis del Mar continues to be so moving.  Even just listening to his voice (as Ennis), I hear emotions in it that I'm simply not able to pin down precisely. 

Ennis fears this "thing" between him and Jack.  The "thing" for Ennis, of course, is the strong spontaneous emotion that moved Ennis - whom he had not seen for four years since they came down from Brokeback Mountain - to suddenly, with a look to see if no one was watching, to "risk" kissing Jack while they were at the bottom of the landing steps leading up to Ennis's & Alma's apartment over the laundromat in Riverton, WY.

It's as if Ennis can't excuse himself for having "let go" of himself long enough to let himself follow his emotions for Jack.  He tells Jack later, when they are together alone, that if the "thing" ever catches them in the wrong place, at the wrong time, they are "dead."  (Ennis literally fears that if their homosexuality is discovered - especially at an intimate moment - homophobic vigilantes will identify them and they will become targets marked for death.)

Listening to Heath Ledger says these words, the "vulnerability" in his voice can be heard.  The tone of it envelops me in the sudden poignancy of his emotions at the moment he says them to Jack.

Ennis cares about Jack.  He cares about staying alive.  He cares about their being able to have as much of a life together as he thinks they will be able to ("realistically") have - while remaining safe, hidden from the suspicions of eagerly homophobic "vigilantes" - who will have an overexcited, rapacious willingness to chase them down, torture and, finally, murder them. 

There are some people who like to be vigilantes.  Anger stirs their blood.  Such people always know who it is whom society doesn't care about.  Society usually doesn't care very much about what happens to those it finds "deviant" (or even those it finds merely a "nuisance").  No questions will be asked if they are gone.  The killers are seen as trash collectors who have come in the darkness to remove the trash.

It is perhaps because Ennis is so torn between wishing to be happy, wishing to be with Jack, and wishing to remain within the "safe" confines of conformity (to heterosexual social norms, if not all social "norms"), that his emotions are so poignant. 

Or, are they "poignant" because he feels (fears?) Jack won't "understand"?  Ennis seems to be asking Jack to "prove" that he cares about them by simply accepting his (Ennis's) fears at face value.

Perhaps Jack's emotions can never be as "vulnerable," as "poignant," as Ennis's (with Ennis perhaps interpreting, misinterpreting his emotions as more "beautiful" because of their vulnerability, poignancy).  But Jack's emotions can't possibly be as "vulnerable."  Jack is less afraid.

In American culture, a "romantic dreamer" is often criticized for a lack of "realism."  Ennis sees Jack as a "romantic dreamer."  But when it comes to matters of the heart, who is the "realist," who is the "dreamer"?  Jack is a dreamer with the realism of the need to be a rebel (against the rules as they are).

In Ennis's dreams of Jack, at the end of Annie Proulx's short story, Ennis dreams of the young Jack, as he was on Brokeback Mountain, with wavy hair and buck teeth.  A "can of beans with a dirty spoon sticking out of it" sitting on a log mars the reverie of Ennis's dreams with its "garish" appearance.  Did the mature Jack mar Ennis's dreams of what Ennis thought his life should be?)  Annie Proulx finds Ennis - in his dreams and memories of Jack at the end of the story -  somewhere in between what he wishes to "believe" and what he "knows."

"Stillness" might have brought Ennis to a realization of the decisions he had to make.  It might have given him the clarity - and, thus, the courage - to make the right ones.

 
Title: Re: MUSTSEE - Charlie rose interviewed with Heath & Ang
Post by: Qrious on Dec 13, 2015, 11:27 AM
Hi, hi

Guess I'm 10 years late. Not that I had just seen this movie, I'm a huge Ang Lee fan - had seen BBM ten years ago, but I'm just discovering to my amazement the huge Internet posts, forums and resources devoted just to this movie. Awesome!

I'm trying to read all reviews, articles, interviews, media coverage etc on the film and its creators and casts. Stumbled on this thread on the Charlie Rose interview and I'm very keen to watch or read a transcript of the interview. Unfortunately the various links here now don't seem to work as they all lead me to a page that says the page or server does not exist. Very disappointed. Is there any way I can get the interview without having to buy the DVD from Amazon?