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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity"

« Last post by bloodless_moon on Jul 23, 2024, 06:38 PM »

I won’t say my interpretation is the correct one, but I always saw it as Ennis admitting that he was a virgin. There’s a million little bits and pieces to the scene for me, like Jack probably implying that they were sinners because of their sexuality (or at least regarding himself), and that maybe Ennis’ response to his comment made him enough confidence to act upon his feelings during TS1. All in all, I saw that line as Ennis saying he was a virgin as they both came from religious upbringings and premarital sex would have been a sin. Especially when we see that Alma got pregnant almost immediately after being married (if they were messing around before that, she probably would have gotten pregnant before they were married). Thats how I always took the line, but I’m sure there’s other ways of reading it, too!

Oh I like this interpretation! Since Ennis is estranged from his family I’m not really sure he would be bound by the restrictions surrounding premarital sex but Alma would be. It could also be that Jack meant he ‘sinned’ by having sex with other men but Ennis hadn’t…. yet. That flirtatious wink lol.

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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity"

« Last post by choompty on Jul 23, 2024, 01:26 PM »

I won’t say my interpretation is the correct one, but I always saw it as Ennis admitting that he was a virgin. There’s a million little bits and pieces to the scene for me, like Jack probably implying that they were sinners because of their sexuality (or at least regarding himself), and that maybe Ennis’ response to his comment made him enough confidence to act upon his feelings during TS1. All in all, I saw that line as Ennis saying he was a virgin as they both came from religious upbringings and premarital sex would have been a sin. Especially when we see that Alma got pregnant almost immediately after being married (if they were messing around before that, she probably would have gotten pregnant before they were married). Thats how I always took the line, but I’m sure there’s other ways of reading it, too!

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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity"

« Last post by bloodless_moon on Jul 20, 2024, 05:30 AM »

When Ennis and Jack are talking about the Pentecost, Jack says 'fellas like you and me, we march off to hell' and Ennis responds with this: "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity" what does it mean?

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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / “Water Walking Jesus”

« Last post by choompty on Jul 12, 2024, 05:08 PM »

When first reading the book, I just assumed the song ‘Water Walking Jesus’ was a real one, especially seeing that there’s a moment of Jack singing it in the movie. I tried looking it up and realized it is NOT a real song (in the sense that it was a church hymn from back in the day) haha were there ever full lyrics of the song, or music, posted?

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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Motel Scene In Book—horseriding?

« Last post by choompty on Jul 09, 2024, 10:56 AM »

In the short story, there’s a line during the scene where Jack and Ennis meet back up after the four years of not seeing each other that confuses me a little. “Christ, it got a be all that time a yours ahorseback makes it so god damn good…” said by Jack. Is it implying that Ennis was on the receiving end that scene, or is it something else?

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In Memory of Heath Ledger / Re: Jake Gyllenhaal & Heath Ledger

« Last post by BBMsheep on Jul 09, 2024, 08:28 AM »

  I'm still here from time to time ! Thanks for answering !! 

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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: thoughts on headcanons?

« Last post by Pinky11 on Jun 22, 2024, 06:16 AM »

It's been 20 years since the movie and we're still adding new things to the personality pool of the characters 😍 that's why it's a classic, actually you can say Ennis had obsessions or something but if you want to add a word I would say ennis jacksuel

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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: What if... ?!

« Last post by Pinky11 on Jun 22, 2024, 05:46 AM »

Do you think this movie is Ennis' great love and not Jack's? Because we're not talking about who Ennis is going to choose, we're talking about who Jack is going to choose, because he's a man with a big appetite, and by the way, when it comes to Cassie etc. we think Ennis is in love with Jack, but when it comes to Jack we say he loves Randalli, but there's a saying, you grow old with what's next to you and you die with what's on your mind, and Jack Sweet lived his life that way.

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In Memory of Heath Ledger / Re: Jake Gyllenhaal & Heath Ledger

« Last post by Pinky11 on Jun 22, 2024, 04:23 AM »

I don't know if it's the right place to post my question,and maybe the subject has been talked before, but I was wondering if someone knows how Heath and Jake met each other?
Thanks!
 If you're still there, I'm answering from 2024 😂 the first date happens at the moulin rouge auditions but they actually meet at the bbm script
 

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Characters, Quotes & Scenes / Re: Pics of Ennis and Jack together

« Last post by Pinky11 on Jun 21, 2024, 12:29 PM »

Yup.
W/o going too much off topic here, it could be fantasized that both these young men used this filming experience (and I'm talking about the entire film here) as a way to live out and explore some hidden fantasizes of their own that they otherwise either didn't feel comfortable or confident with or even understand (they were still young). I suspect that this may happen often with actors and actresses who really "get into" a role that portrays behavior that otherwise would be beyond their own limits in terms of their own self perception. Both of these men were (or are  ) very secure in themselves, but this is still (even in 2016 let alone 2004) a large river to cross in many ways. The way Jake and Heath bonded during this filming experience is well documented and I guess one would need to review the filming sequence to see when this scene (SNIT) was shot and how it falls in the bigger scheme of things to really know, but the emotional attraction is surely there. One cannot but help to wonder if the idea of an actual sexual encounter did not occur to either or both of them. The glory of this is that that the real emotional content of this was captured by Ang and he saw it and felt it was important to show us this on the screen. As has been said many times here before by us "oldtimers" this is truly a movie on which "the stars fell", there is no other explanation. How lucky we are to have lived in these times!

Director Lee, in an interview in 2021, said that Heath and Jake had a character conflict and sometimes he mediated it himself, Heath was very compassionate towards Michelle and critical towards Jake, which was in his mind because Heath was very compassionate towards Michelle and critical towards Jake, which was already confirmed that after the Brokeback promotions were over, we didn't see much together, if anything, there was michelle, brokeback wasn't much of a paradise. Even in Lee's mind, he was in his mind because Heath was extremely fond of michelle. .