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« Last post by Youbet! on Jan 19, 2022, 09:46 PM »
Why is this our unit of measurement, Ennis??
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I think that's the main tragedy of this story. Ennis needed the shock and loss of Jack's death to propel him to Lightning Flat to find the shirts in order to realize that what Jack felt for him and held onto all those years was love. In turn, Ennis was finally able to acknowledge to himself that love is what he felt for Jack, too. Without that catalyst, he probably never would have been willing to open that door in his mind and look inside. So now he finally understood what they had but too late for them to be together. Or even just to acknowledge privately what they meant to each other.   :-\\
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I like that interpretation.  :)
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Interesting question. Perhaps Jack might have said something else about staying in touch if their descent from the mountain hadn't turned dark that way. But I also think that

(1) Jack took the shirt before he knew how Ennis would behave because he wanted a part of Ennis with him even if they did see each other again (I've done this so I knew where it was as soon as Ennis mentioned it was missing, but had long forgotten about it by the end of the movie so I was still stunned by that scene in the closet).

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Yes, I almost feel haunted by this story because there isnít really a realistic way you can rework it to give them a happy ending. Even if Jack DID say something would the outcome had been different? Ennis did say in the short story that when he finally recognized his feelings (that he should have never let Jack out of his sights) that he possibly would have been willing, if only he had the awareness sooner?
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I think ENFP fits Jack pretty well but I feel like Ennis was more of an ISTJ than ISFJ.


I think I'm closest to an ISFJ (maybe with a hint of ISFP or INFP - take out the organized and INFJ fits, too). LJN would probably know better.  ;D What do you think?
Thatís what I initially picked actually, and it may be right. But I changed it after reading the full description of both personalities. I do believe Ennis does have a sensitivity to others, even though he comes off pretty hard. Him choosing soup over beans, deciding the break the rules and shoot the elk, and switching job roles could all be read as him considering Jackís needs and putting them before his own. Of course he also doesnít seem to consider Alma and definitely winds up hurting Jack several times, but I think this is more because of his inflexible thinking not because he doesnít care. I think his fears make him act in ways that may not necessarily reflect his true nature.
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I think ENFP fits Jack pretty well but I feel like Ennis was more of an ISTJ than ISFJ.


I think I'm closest to an ISFJ (maybe with a hint of ISFP or INFP - take out the organized and INFJ fits, too). LJN would probably know better.  ;D What do you think?
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Interesting question. Perhaps Jack might have said something else about staying in touch if their descent from the mountain hadn't turned dark that way. But I also think that

(1) Jack took the shirt before he knew how Ennis would behave because he wanted a part of Ennis with him even if they did see each other again (I've done this so I knew where it was as soon as Ennis mentioned it was missing, but had long forgotten about it by the end of the movie so I was still stunned by that scene in the closet).

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(2) I agree with LJN that whatever Jack said, Ennis wasn't ready or able at that time to contemplate anything between them outside of their mountain retreat. It's too bad that it took him so long to figure out that the sick feeling in his stomach was his heart telling him he shouldn't have walked away from Jack.  :-\\
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I think Jack tried to feel out Ennis once they were off the mountain and by Aguirre's trailer. He was asking if Ennis was going to do this next summer and mentioned that he might be back, if the army didn't get him. Aguirre cut their summer short and neither, especially Ennis, had time to process the end of their time together nor contemplate what would happen once they made the final descent.

I agree that Jack took the shirts as a keepsake of their time. Perhaps there was a part of him that knew/feared their departure from Brokeback would be the end of that "thing" they had going on.

I think that while Ennis resigned himself to this being a one-shot deal he was still hurt and perhaps a little betrayed by them being forced to come down early and he went into self preservation mode and there wasn't much Jack was going to say or do that would persuade him to continue on outside the confines of the mountain.
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Hi and welcome, YouBet! ^f^ I have to think a bit more on which I think they each fall under though I do agree with your assessment.
I'm a fellow INFJ :)
Hey there fellow INFJ, we are pretty rare! Iím interested in hearing otherís opinions on what the characters are.
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