Topic: Ennis and Jacks mum

[Kindred]

I just honetly can't see Ennis opening up at all, even to Mrs. Twist.  I think Mrs. Twist might have reached out initially to Ennis, suspecting his true relationship with her son.  However, Ennis' typical response would have to become defensive, to deny anything beyond a typical friendship.  Ennis keeps his emotions close to his heart in a tight ball.  I also think that Mrs. Twist would have quickly sensed this and respected Ennis' fear of opening up to her. 

I don't doubt that they would have formed an unspoken bond, but I think that already happened in the original movie scene.

[tpe]

I just honetly can't see Ennis opening up at all, even to Mrs. Twist.  I think Mrs. Twist might have reached out initially to Ennis, suspecting his true relationship with her son.  However, Ennis' typical response would have to become defensive, to deny anything beyond a typical friendship.  Ennis keeps his emotions close to his heart in a tight ball.  I also think that Mrs. Twist would have quickly sensed this and respected Ennis' fear of opening up to her. 

I don't doubt that they would have formed an unspoken bond, but I think that already happened in the original movie scene.

I don't think your position is problematic at all. Kindred.  On the contrary, as I had implied in one of my previous posts, that they would not have opened up to each other would be more typical in real life.

But I must admit that I live and dream by the exceptions.  Am I a hopeless dreamer?  Perhaps...




 

[Kindred]

But I must admit that I live and dream by the exceptions.  Am I a hopeless dreamer?  Perhaps...

No, I think you are just more Jack, the dreamer, the openly loving person, while I am more an Ennis.

[tpe]

But I must admit that I live and dream by the exceptions.  Am I a hopeless dreamer?  Perhaps...

No, I think you are just more Jack, the dreamer, the openly loving person, while I am more an Ennis.

Thanks kindred.  Ennis loves in silence. 

[edgar]

This is a really great thread.

I tend to agree with those who say that Ennis would never have completely opened up to Mom; he would leave most things unstated. But they could still have shared plenty of memories. Mom especially could open up and tell most everything she remembered...stories of Jack's childhood, how Jack acted whenver he would visit them after the "fishing trips" etc.

Ennis, on the other hand, could tell about the harmonica (maybe ask how he got started with that), about the sheep, about the elk, about Jack's singing.

And (not opening that whole can of beans, I mean worms) if Mom is a Pentacostal Christian, I really don't see them having a frank discussion of Jack's sexuality. Even if Ennis wanted to, which he didn't. They both labored under their own limitations they had partially created for themselves.

And, I mean really, I have no life experience upon which to base this question, but maybe somebody does.... you don't really discuss the intimate and sexual side of your relationship with your  lover with the  lover's mother do you? I don't see that as commonplace even in today's society. (And especially if the lover is dead. No way.)

[tpe]

I don't see that as commonplace even in today's society. (And especially if the lover is dead. No way.)

Indeed, I have to agree.

But to connect intimately with the mother of a departed beloved -- it is as if God came down and kissed you on both cheeks...

It this would have happened to Ennis and Mrs. Twist, it would have alleviated so much of their pain.

[MississaugaRed]

And, I mean really, I have no life experience upon which to base this question, but maybe somebody does.... you don't really discuss the intimate and sexual side of your relationship with your  lover with the  lover's mother do you? I don't see that as commonplace even in today's society. (And especially if the lover is dead. No way.)

So true, Edgar.   Can't imagine anyone entering into that kind of conversation voluntarily, least ways not anyone I know!  Some things are meant to be private between two people, but as you say, that still leaves so much to share and connect over. 

But to connect intimately with the mother of a departed beloved -- it is as if God came down and kissed you on both cheeks...

Lovely words as always, Thomas.  You undo me.  :'(

[matron]

This is a very good thread and I think I'm not able to add many words since I agree with most of them.

I personally think that Ennis wouldn't talk even with Mrs. Twist about their relationship between him and Jack. I think Mrs. Twist had already got the point and she understood it perfectly. In my opinion Mrs. Twist respected Ennis very much and that's no wonder since Ennis was the biggest (and the only) love of her son.

I think Mrs. Twist and Ennis' connection was just like Ennis had had with Jack.. I mean; non-verbal. After all, the words are only 5% of communication, the rest 95% are something else.