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Offline aintfoolin

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Re: "Jack Nasty" v. Alma or a Separate Peace?
« Reply #30 on: Jul 01, 2007, 05:10 PM »
It seems to me that "Jack Nasty" is Alma's (ill-)considered judgement of Jack, made when she saw the reunion kiss and next day, when Jack stood outside leaning on the truck while waiting for Ennis.  In her mind that's what he's been ever since - what seems to be uppermost in her mind, judging form "nasty" is the nature of their relationship, which makes me wonder if Alma isn't less naive than I used to think. She also has experience of Ennis's sexual behavior, which must make it evident to her what Jack's attraction is for Ennis. and in the end there's also plain jealousy - Jack is the man who has taken Ennis away from her, if not literally then metaphorically, and making it worse for her by offering something she can't compete with.

Exactly! During the Thanksgiving scene, Alma lets's Ennis know that he can't fool her anymore with his "once burned" comment. Not being truthful to her about the relationship, after all those years clearly contributed to her anger at Ennis and Jack both. She felt put in a position of helplessness, unable to concieve of anyway to compete with this. She had to realize why their sex life went the way it did further causing her to see that it was Jack in Ennis thoughts while making love, not her. Tying the note to the fishing line was a clever deed,proving that she was Not a complete fool. She needed *proof* of her suspicions and she got it. This realization coupled with what she saw outside their door confirmed the true nature of her husband's preference. Jack. By the way, does anyone wonder about Monroe's behavior during the Thanksgiving  scene. Alma is screaming at Ennis in the kitchen while he sits seemingly idly by watching skating!!/ What' is up with that? Is he wimpy or what? The guy never left his chair to see what all the commotion was about. :s) ???
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Re: "Jack Nasty" v. Alma or a Separate Peace?
« Reply #31 on: Jul 02, 2007, 09:31 AM »
I heard this song today, and I think it fits with the topic here.  It's by Chris Cornell:

The A.M. finds me
Home alone awake in bed
Morning blinds me
Had that dream of you again
Fog is lifting
I realize that you're not here
And how you left me
Life disappeared

Life is rejection
I know you've had your share
But this one's special
I can't compete with her
And did she tell you
Only she could know your mind
And did she sell you
I gotta say it one time

She can be your lover
She can be your friend
She can be your vision of a mother like the one you never had
She will know your troubles better than I can
But she'll never be your man
She'll never be your man
She'll never be your man

She's got you thinking
Of a world where you might fit in
A whole lot better
Than the one you've been living in
And did she tell you
Only she could understand
And did she sell you
Only time will tell

She can be your lover
She can be your friend
She can be your vision of a mother like the one you never had
She will know your troubles better than I can
But she'll never be your man
She'll never be your man
She'll never be your man

She can be your lover
She can be your friend
She can be your vision of a mother like the one you never had
She will know your troubles better than I can
But one thing's for sure
She'll never be your man

She can be your lover
She can be your friend
A vision of a mother like the one you never had
She will know your troubles better than I can
But one thing's for sure
She'll never be your man
She'll never be your man
Never be your man
She'll never be your man
Never be your man
Never be
She'll never be your man



jacks_key, thanks.  THis song is indeed quite apt.


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Re: "Jack Nasty" v. Alma or a Separate Peace?
« Reply #32 on: Jul 02, 2007, 09:39 AM »
Exactly! During the Thanksgiving scene, Alma lets's Ennis know that he can't fool her anymore with his "once burned" comment. Not being truthful to her about the relationship, after all those years clearly contributed to her anger at Ennis and Jack both. She felt put in a position of helplessness, unable to concieve of anyway to compete with this. She had to realize why their sex life went the way it did further causing her to see that it was Jack in Ennis thoughts while making love, not her. Tying the note to the fishing line was a clever deed,proving that she was Not a complete fool. She needed *proof* of her suspicions and she got it. This realization coupled with what she saw outside their door confirmed the true nature of her husband's preference. Jack. By the way, does anyone wonder about Monroe's behavior during the Thanksgiving  scene. Alma is screaming at Ennis in the kitchen while he sits seemingly idly by watching skating!!/ What' is up with that? Is he wimpy or what? The guy never left his chair to see what all the commotion was about. :s) ???

Great points. aintfoolin!

I personally suspect that long before the divorce, Alma and Ennis treated everything as an open secret between the two of them.  Ennis probably realized that Alma must have suspected or perhaps even knew more than she let on.  But as I said in a previous post, he did not care -- so long as Alma played the game of noting bringing things out in the open.

As for Monroe, he probably did not hear anything until Alma started screaming.  I wouldn't be surprised if Monroe knew something.  After the thanksgiving scene, it is possible that Alma told him, if he had not been told before.

KNowledge of this beyond Ennis, Alma, and Jack would have guaranteed that there would be no separate peace.  A separate peace in such a situation would have meant a loss of face.


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Re: "Jack Nasty" v. Alma or a Separate Peace?
« Reply #33 on: Jul 03, 2007, 08:16 PM »
jacks_key, thanks.  THis song is indeed quite apt.



As soon as I read the lyrics to that song, BBM came instantly to mind.  Of course, it does with a lot of songs nowadays.   ;)
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