Topic: Not brightest bulbs..but oh so adorable

[*Froggy*]

And actually I've also developed a very ambiguous attitude to what passes for education, or maybe the snobbery and pretension I've found among those who call themselves "academice".

<OT> SO true!!!!

There is also a knowledge and wisdom that comes from feeling - I think in some ways Jack has that, where Ennis doesn't. Those who intellectualise everything lose that instinctive ability to experience emotion, yet in the end that's what lasts.

the more I read the more I am becomming a fan!!

Jack and Ennis were lucky that they had an intense experience of love - that it was fragmentary and intermirttent in the times they were together is unimportant in relation to the fat that they found their other half, the person who completed them. Yes, it was tragic that ennis 's fears kept them apart, but at least they had what some people never do.

Wow...I so wish I could write like that...it feels like you came inside my brain..looked up at my thoughts...selected some of them and put them into words!!
Thank you x

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

Thank you so much welshwish. "There is a knowledge and wisdom that comes from feeling..."  There is so much truth to this statement.

[Sunflower79]

Jack for wanting and believing in true love, and romance
Ennis for his rare smiles..his smiles just melt me inside
Jack for showing compassion and tenderness.. very nicely stated
And together they had something lasting and true as well as tragic and sad

[Jack and Ennis were lucky that they had an intense experience of love - that it was fragmentary and intermirttent in the times they were together is unimportant in relation to the fat that they found their other half, the person who completed them. Yes, it was tragic that ennis 's fears kept them apart, but at least they had what some people never do. /quote]

[ksxks]

I think... for me what makes these two and so many others like them so appealing is the fact that they are smart even without formal education. Sometimes I don't think we give nearly enough credit for the value of wisdom gained from experience!

I also have to say that I have always found this kind of man to be very attractive... regardless of whether they have a pretty face or a gorgeous body (these things are important... but not nearly the most important). What I find attractive about them is their ability to be strong, masculine and hardworking, with callouses, blisters and work roughed hands but yet they still manage to be kind, caring, gentle, sweet and loving. So many men have trouble balancing the two... these guys were/are really good at both.  For ex. note how gently and reverently Ennis hold the shirts after he finds them. He holds them as though he is holding Jack himself and he is so gentle and loving in his embrace of them. That my friends says it all... 

Beautifully said!  This is so true, that both of these men are petty well balanced between their masculine and feminine sides.  (Of course, the characters were created by a woman.)  Both of them are overtly nurturing -- like Ennis with his daughters, which is so beautiful, sweet, such an attractive quality; and Jack is such a good comforter to Ennis, also so appealing, and sexy.

kathy

[welshwitch]

I have a feeling that what I said was pure Wordsworth or one of the Romantics, anyway. But thank you for your kind words, Froggy and
CSC. I feel so much about BBM that it's easier to put into words then writing about other things might be. don;t you think we've all found unexpected words to use to talk about our reactions? Either that, or this forum contains s random cross-section of a large number of very eloquent people.

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

I have a feeling that what I said was pure Wordsworth or one of the Romantics, anyway. But thank you for your kind words, Froggy and
CSC. I feel so much about BBM that it's easier to put into words then writing about other things might be. don;t you think we've all found unexpected words to use to talk about our reactions? Either that, or this forum contains s random cross-section of a large number of very eloquent people.

I'm sure a number of members do not feel they are eloquent in their expression, but something about this film has brought out a level of expression that may be unexpected. Just think about it...these two characters who appear to lack eloquence in their dialog have provided universal messages on how love should not be taken for granted.  They have made us aware that love is a force of nature and it often happens when we least expect it.  If any of us are lucky enough to find the love these two shared we should cherish it and fight tooth and nail to hold on to it.

[FlwrChild]

Beautiful as always CSC!

[LuvJackNasty]

I have a feeling that what I said was pure Wordsworth or one of the Romantics, anyway. But thank you for your kind words, Froggy and
CSC. I feel so much about BBM that it's easier to put into words then writing about other things might be. don;t you think we've all found unexpected words to use to talk about our reactions? Either that, or this forum contains s random cross-section of a large number of very eloquent people.

I'm sure a number of members do not feel they are eloquent in their expression, but something about this film has brought out a level of expression that may be unexpected. Just think about it...these two characters who appear to lack eloquence in their dialog have provided universal messages on how love should not be taken for granted.  They have made us aware that love is a force of nature and it often happens when we least expect it.  If any of us are lucky enough to find the love these two shared we should cherish it and fight tooth and nail to hold on to it.

Beautifully said CSC!

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

Thank you Flwchild and LJN.   All of these wonderful post have just unlocked these feelings all over again.

[Patriot1]

Just a thought here brothers, sisters and friends.

It is we who are imitating their speech and quoting their words.  Isn't it common to imitate and quote the intellectuals[/i] of our world?  LOL

[welshwitch]

Yes, we use their phrases and grammar, or rather Annie Proulx's, but I was thinking that it was all the discussion and exchange of views, plus the intense feelings the movie evokes, that had let the words flow from us like the river flowed down the mountain.

Perhaps it's that they, particularly Ennis, are so inarticulate that's made us reach into ourselves and say things we wouldn't have otherwise?

[FlwrChild]

I am humbled by your insight.

[MississaugaRed]

Just a thought here brothers, sisters and friends.

It is we who are imitating their speech and quoting their words.  Isn't it common to imitate and quote the intellectuals[/i] of our world?  LOL

Well, you bet and you ain't jokin' on that one, Patriot1, lol. 
Guess it's not always about how well you say what you mean, but how deeply you mean what you say. 

Yes, we use their phrases and grammar, or rather Annie Proulx's, but I was thinking that it was all the discussion and exchange of views, plus the intense feelings the movie evokes, that had let the words flow from us like the river flowed down the mountain.

Perhaps it's that they, particularly Ennis, are so inarticulate that's made us reach into ourselves and say things we wouldn't have otherwise?

Sweet words, welshwitch, to explain why there are so many sweet words here!   

[welshwitch]

If I were poetically inclined, I'd say we were flying on the wings of their words, but kept aloft by the goodwill and humanity of everyone here.

[FlwrChild]

If I were poetically inclined, I'd say we were flying on the wings of their words, but kept aloft by the goodwill and humanity of everyone here.

Just beautiful. Again.

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

I must say I am a bit surprised this thread has seen recent activity. Outside of a few posts in April this thread has been dormant since February.  Thank you all so much for contributing your feelings and insight on this topic.

[MississaugaRed]

CSC - apparently there is no thread so old that we can't find things to go back and say about it again.     New posters, new insights, new musings, whatever.     I missed this first time around, interesting line of thought you brought up here, friend.  Thanks. 

(OT - hope you're doing okay, cowboy  and feeling just the thing.  )

[ksxks]

I must say I am a bit surprised this thread has seen recent activity. Outside of a few posts in April this thread has been dormant since February.  Thank you all so much for contributing your feelings and insight on this topic.

That's because, as I said in my 6/3 (?) post, I was rooting around all these topics and threads and wanted to see what this one was about, and posted a reply.  Cool how a topic can get active again.  See, I came here late.  I knew there were things like this going on but I had to resist getting involved because of other-life obligations, and so when I finally got here, a lot of catching up to do!  I've got tons to explore yet.

And this thread, amazing things said, beautiful words, by all of you, especially as to this river of words about love flowin' down the mountain...

kathy

[rpmnh]

Having spent my time teaching literature I have an exaggerated respect for anyone who can do practical things...

This resonates with me. My (technical) profession requires a high degree of specialized formal education, so that is
where I have focused my attention in regard to learning. As such, I am competent in that regard. However, I
really am lacking in proficiency with respect to ordinary tasks, e.g. fixing things around the house, gardening etc.
So, I am *very* and sincerely impressed with those who are "handy" and  can do such things. I think that was the
case with Ennis and Jack - they possessed the practical  knowledge and skills required to be a cowboy. I shudder
to think how I would manage during their summer on Brokeback, for example. Don't get me wrong, I am pretty
hardy and resourceful, but I am sure that, day to day, my life in that environment would be both a struggle as
well as a comedy of errors...

[ksxks]

Having spent my time teaching literature I have an exaggerated respect for anyone who can do practical things...

This resonates with me. My (technical) profession requires a high degree of specialized formal education, so that is
where I have focused my attention in regard to learning. As such, I am competent in that regard. However, I
really am lacking in proficiency with respect to ordinary tasks, e.g. fixing things around the house, gardening etc.
So, I am *very* and sincerely impressed with those who are "handy" and  can do such things. I think that was the
case with Ennis and Jack - they possessed the practical  knowledge and skills required to be a cowboy. I shudder
to think how I would manage during their summer on Brokeback, for example. Don't get me wrong, I am pretty
hardy and resourceful, but I am sure that, day to day, my life in that environment would be both a struggle as
well as a comedy of errors...

Well, yeah -- can you imagine herding a herd of sheep of all things??  That takes an inate intelligence that no book-learning can teach.  I of course had to LOL at your "comedy of errors" in that environment -- me, too.

kathy

[welshwitch]

I never did get how to make a fire, and I didn't see them do it either. Diid they use Jack's lighter ( which never appeared after the bar scene)? Opening cans I guess I can do, but the rest, nope.Just trying to survive a couple of months on the mountain would finish me off. and they had to know something about guns and hunting, and about getting shirts ironed without ironing them - wish I knew how.