Author Topic: A Picture of Two Americas In Brokeback Mountain - Washington Post Review 2/2/06  (Read 8942 times)

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/01/AR2006020102477.html

I have some issues with it....................especially the selfish family part.  However, it is like he is reading so much into everything and trying to please everyone in America-red blue, gay, straight, bi - I hate when I read something that for moments takes the euphoria out of what I feel for this movie.  Someone else's reality should not be a problem for me.  I am getting better at ignoring or allowing all to have their own opinions without having to change mine.  This is really a review that makes all think.  And it is one person's thoughts and perhaps reading too much into things.  Let me know what you think.
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Thank you for posting this.  Yes, it's a hugely interesting read.

It's true that the movie hardly shows a sentimentalized or happy view of heterosexual family life.  The house is always a mess, the kids are always crying or demanding, it's this dark, interior, limited kind of place (in contrast, as the reviewer says, to the scenes of freedom and space when Ennis and Jack go fishing).  Especially the early scienes of Ennis and Alma's marriage reminded me greatly of when I had three children ages 4 and under at home.  The house was always a mess, the kids were always crying and demanding... etc.etc.etc.  It would have been quite dishonest to show their family life, especially on such a limited income, as sparkling clean and happy and stress-free all the time.

As I understand it, Ang Lee is himself married to a woman, with two sons.  So I do not agree at all with the suggestion that his portrayal of straight family life is part of some insidious plot to undermine it.  Had Jack and Ennis been able to marry and have children, guess what?  The house would have been a mess all the time, the kids would nave been crying.... The charm and joy of the movie was its intense romanticism.  This does not, and never will, survive intense domesticity, it is not in the nature of romanticism to do so.

Of course the movie had to show that the lives Ennis and Jack lived with their spouses were unsatisfactory in some sense.  This is because the premise of the movie was that they had this overpowering love for each other but couldn't, due to circumstances, express it.  If their lives with their spouses were shown as fulfilling and complete, a central premise of the movie would be eliminated.  I think most people who viewed the movie understood that Ang Lee was trying to show the contrast between the lives that Ennis and Jack were compelled (by whatever forces, internal or external) to live, versus the lives they would have lived had those forces not been present.  But showing that contrast was not, in my opinion, part of a plan to disrespect or downgrade straight family life.

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I'm not impressed with the article, but it does fill space in WaPo.  It's more of a literary analysis/essay not journalistic writing - ok for a WaPo blog but not a column.  It's not even focused - when I first read it I thought that it was someones first draft of a school paper.  Somehow the writer thinks that by using Marxist terms he is impressing the reader - it doesn't impress me. 




 
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Shouldn't this thread be merged with TPEs thread about symbols (based on the same article?). Made some comments about the article there...

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It was quite clear that the writer wanted to take a stance on the movie; however, along the way while writing, he lost his objectivity and, instead, his essay has deteriorated into a debacle of unauthorative rhetoric.

First, consider the tone that he sets at the beginning with the complaint that "Brokeback Mountain" will prosper and tries to equate it with the following:

    "the bitter culture war surronding the gay-themed western will continue to be fought".

Almost immediately, he presents 2 paragraphs outlining a "Liberal" viewpoint and then a "Conservative" viewpoint.  So far, the reader is being presented with a complaint that there is even a debate.  How is the reader supposed to understand this staff writer?  That he is writing this begrudgingly?  Is the reader to sympathize with the writer's complaint that he does not want to complain and further his own debate?

Next, why would the writer write:

   "Boys, boys, boys, settle down.  Put them shootin' irons away.  It's only a movie"?

Does he want to exercise his own paternal nature?  Does he only want boys to settle down, but not the girls?  No, he knew that what he wrote just before would inflame the sensibilities of some of his readers.  So what should a reader think of this writer's comment?  That he is proud that he is able to express his complaints so eloquently that it makes people angry?  That he is our daddy and we are doing something wrong?  Already, we have to start questioning whether the writer was writing this while baby-sitting his own "boys" since the tone already takes on a weak attempt to pen the reader into obeisance.

The writer continues by exaiming whether "Brokeback Mountain" has an agenda.  Again, the reader has to stop and ask themselves what does he mean by "agenda"?   All movies have agendas, otherwise, they would not be entertaining or throught-provoking.  It is not surprising that the writer's choice of words suggests a hidden agenda... since the phrase "hidden agenda" has been used ad nauseum by paranoid schizophrenics who cannot trust anyone.  So what is the reader suppose to think about the writer?  That the writer has employed secret agents and spies to collect copies of memos from the desks of "Brokeback Mountain"'s executives?  That he has seen the press releases, but interviewed them backstage in exclusives?  That he is paranoid?  What is his hidden agenda?

Later, the writer tries to separate the images from the words of "Brokeback Mountain".  Fair enough... the writer wants to look at just the images; however, we are treated with a progressively narrower scope of what these images mean.   And in the absence of an analysis of the words, the reader must realize that the writer is therefore substituting his own.  His analysis is flawed.  A proper conclusion to find out what the movie's agenda would be, is to treat the movie and its context as a whole.  His analysis is like a blind man touches an elephant's trunk and exclaims "An elephant is exactly like a snake!".

As the reader follows this writer's tour of "Brokeback Mountain"'s hidden agenda, he introduces us to his edition of the movie: "Brokeback Mountain" is about homosexual life versus hetereosexual life.  If the writer's credibility has not started to dissolve, then it is surely melting now.  He does not like the debate, but he must debate.  Is he presenting facts or interpretations?  Does he know the difference?  That would be a good question... so the reader continues to read the rest of this writer's tour of the movie.  Is he lucid or is he not?  Is he sane or is he not?

Grandly, the reader reads

    Homosexuality in Brokeback Mountain is always associated with a river.

At this point, we wonder was this writer on the wrong movie set when he interviewed the director?  Next, he proudly proclaims that

    "Metaphorically, it's the great river of homosexualilty, and safe and free
    immersion in it is utterly joyful to them [Jack and Ennis].  Indeed, most of the two men's
    squabbling and (mostly off-camera) lovemaking takes place next to the
    river."

Please excuse the reader, but just what is meant by "mostly off-camera"?  The writer seems to indicate that he has seen Jack and Ennis, mostly off-camera making love beside the river.  Now we know that he must have been the paparazzi snapping up those unofficial pictures.  Does the writer want to be know as the peeping tom or did he confuse the "Brokeback Mountain" movie set with the pornographic one that he is directing?  Should the reader inform Jake Gyllenhaal's and Heath Ledger's lawyers?

Now he contrasts the great river of homosexuality with the imagery of family and hearth. with himself in the director's chair... from here on... I think you can guess the picture... and it is not a pretty one.  Apparently, Jack and Ennis "weren't true men; they failed at the man's one sacred duty on Earth, which is to provide.".

I believe it is clear to the reader that the essay is a poorly written one and it is unfortunate that Washington Post's readers may include those that sympatize with the writer; however, it is very clear that the writer did say one truth: that the movie is not preachy, but he certainly is.

Peace,
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is this like condiments??  what does this word mean?  thanks  dummy karin  " obeisance"
p.s. wow you can sure write well.  thanks
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is this like condiments??  what does this word mean?  thanks  dummy karin  " obeisance"
p.s. wow you can sure write well.  thanks

Sorry, karin... yes, "obeisance" means "obedience" or a sign of respect.

I am not writing well enough if I am confusing people... sorry.

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I am not writing well enough if I am confusing people... sorry.

You write very well, and I enjoy reading our posts x
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I believe it is clear to the reader that the essay is a poorly written one and it is unfortunate that Washington Post's readers may include those that sympatize with the writer; however, it is very clear that the writer did say one truth: that the movie is not preachy, but he certainly is.

Thanks Frank, you said everything I meant to say and better.
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I am not writing well enough if I am confusing people... sorry.

You write very well, and I enjoy reading our posts x

Why... mighty thanks m'am.

I can only hope that I did it kindly.

Ain't it the truth... that if we don't have any respect in this little world of ours, then I can only guess that it will go to hell in a hand-basket!

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It was quite clear that the writer wanted to take a stance on the movie; however, along the way while writing, he lost his objectivity and, instead, his essay has deteriorated into a debacle of unauthorative rhetoric.


Peace,
Frank

Thank you for sharing this Frank. I enjoyed your post very much!
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It was quite clear that the writer wanted to take a stance on the movie; however, along the way while writing, he lost his objectivity and, instead, his essay has deteriorated into a debacle of unauthorative rhetoric.


Peace,
Frank

Thank you for sharing this Frank. I enjoyed your post very much!

.. why, kind sir, it's been my pleasure... mightily!!!

I just hope that the Washington Post do not hire just these kinds of writers... it would be a travesty of the freedom of the press!

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The movie also misses the deepest joy of family, which is that sense of connection to the great wheel of life. Giving birth to, educating and loving a kid are among the profound joys of human existence. "Brokeback Mountain" cannot begin to imagine such a thing; that reality simply is not on its radar, and if you looked at the story from another vantage -- the children's -- it would be a different tale altogether: about greedy, selfish, undisciplined homosexuals who took out a contract in the heterosexual world, and abandoned it. They weren't true men; they failed at the man's one sacred duty on Earth, which is to provide.

In addition to all the flaws in the article mentioned above, I also take issue with the writer's sadly narrow view of what constitutes a family. Apparently, he is unable to even comprehend the idea of a family that doesn't consist of the proverbial husband, wife, and 2.5 kids. Maybe the writer was raised in Salt Lake City, and was programmed with the inablility to see that Jack and Ennis together would have made a beautiful, loving family. And, I thought his comment about the "selfish ... homosexuals who took out a contract ... and abandoned it" to be extremly narrow-minded and offensive. It's not as if Jack and Ennis entered into those contracts of their own free will and fully informed of all their options. Reading that comment made me want to kick the writer's ignorant ass into next week! Grrr.  >:(

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The movie also misses the deepest joy of family, which is that sense of connection to the great wheel of life. Giving birth to, educating and loving a kid are among the profound joys of human existence. "Brokeback Mountain" cannot begin to imagine such a thing; that reality simply is not on its radar, and if you looked at the story from another vantage -- the children's -- it would be a different tale altogether: about greedy, selfish, undisciplined homosexuals who took out a contract in the heterosexual world, and abandoned it. They weren't true men; they failed at the man's one sacred duty on Earth, which is to provide.

In addition to all the flaws in the article mentioned above, I also take issue with the writer's sadly narrow view of what constitutes a family. Apparently, he is unable to even comprehend the idea of a family that doesn't consist of the proverbial husband, wife, and 2.5 kids. Maybe the writer was raised in Salt Lake City, and was programmed with the inablility to see that Jack and Ennis together would have made a beautiful, loving family. And, I thought his comment about the "selfish ... homosexuals who took out a contract ... and abandoned it" to be extremly narrow-minded and offensive. It's not as if Jack and Ennis entered into those contracts of their own free will and fully informed of all their options. Reading that comment made me want to kick the writer's ignorant ass into next week! Grrr.  >:(

Yes, Apollonos... perhaps the writer should beware the ides of March!!!  I often wonder if writers such as these are exactly the kinds of closet-cases with such extreme internalized homophobia that they have to get it out.  It is so unfortunate that it comes out in such an insiduous way!!

He was, indeed, a wolf in sheep's cloting!

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Yes, Apollonos... perhaps the writer should beware the ides of March!!!  I often wonder if writers such as these are exactly the kinds of closet-cases with such extreme internalized homophobia that they have to get it out.  It is so unfortunate that it comes out in such an insiduous way!!

He was, indeed, a wolf in sheep's cloting!

Peace,
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Frank, you're absolutely right! I recently saw a research study that came to just that conclusion. The people who screech the loudest against homosexuality are most likely to be closet-cases, themselves. My lady doth protest too much! LOL!

The Ides of March, eh? Well, I'm hoping that they'll all be standing there with egg on their faces when BBM walks away with 8 Oscars on March 5th!

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Couldn't agree more with the feeling that the writer is narrow minded and trying to make his idea of family values look like the only possible way of life!

Ha! Brokeback rules :o And he definitely doesn't
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Couldn't agree more with the feeling that the writer is narrow minded and trying to make his idea of family values look like the only possible way of life!

Ha! Brokeback rules :o And he definitely doesn't
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Monicita - I love your description of the writer. He certainly has no idea that 'family' these days may mean single parent families, grandparents raising grandkids, or extended family (aunts, uncles) in the same house. What a fool.
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... He certainly has no idea that 'family' these days may mean single parent families, grandparents raising grandkids, or extended family (aunts, uncles) in the same house. What a fool.

Yup, and that's exactly why we say he's narrow-minded.

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Couldn't agree more with the feeling that the writer is narrow minded and trying to make his idea of family values look like the only possible way of life!

Ha! Brokeback rules :o And he definitely doesn't
monicita

Yes... he even make it sound like single parents are not families!

Peace,
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