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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #270 on: Oct 13, 2006, 07:11 AM »
The scene in Mexico  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(



Jack clearly doesn't want to be there. But want and need are two entirely different things.


I have never liked the Mexico scene and it is one of two scenes I fast forward through when watching the movie. The other scene being Jack's death.

It is interesting that I do like the Juarez scene.  I think it has a great deal to do with the music, which is wonderfully apt...


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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #271 on: Oct 13, 2006, 05:03 PM »
The scene in Mexico  :\'(  :\'(  :\'(



Jack clearly doesn't want to be there. But want and need are two entirely different things.


I have never liked the Mexico scene and it is one of two scenes I fast forward through when watching the movie. The other scene being Jack's death.

It is interesting that I do like the Juarez scene.  I think it has a great deal to do with the music, which is wonderfully apt...


I don't dislike it, either.  At least, I don't FF through it.  I do think it's sad, and Jack looks so defeated in that scene.  It hurts me, but then, the scene of Ennis turning Jack away hurts me.  But I find it kind of interesting, Jack going down the line of men and picking one (one who is taller than him, I notice, not one of the shorter guys).

And I don't know that a bit of time with the Mexican man is really going to make Jack feel any better, not really.  Oh, this just breaks my heart...

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #272 on: Oct 14, 2006, 02:34 PM »


Agreed.  I don't dislike the scene,even though it is sad.  I guess the same thing holds true for their last meeting.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #273 on: Nov 03, 2006, 12:17 AM »
This scene is just too disturbing for my liking . . .


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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #274 on: Nov 03, 2006, 12:47 AM »
This scene is just too disturbing for my liking . . .



Yes, I would have to say this is the worse scene (except for Jack being beaten up).  This scene is the start of poor little Ennis's life of internal conflict and suffering and fear.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #275 on: Nov 03, 2006, 01:43 PM »
This definitly had a lasting affect on Ennis.It's a cruel thing to do to any child.

I also disliked the scene where Jack comes back to Aguirre's trailor to inqire about Ennis. Aguirre treated him so bad and the shock anger and humiliation was so evident in Jack's eyes.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #276 on: Nov 04, 2006, 02:40 AM »
This definitly had a lasting affect on Ennis.It's a cruel thing to do to any child.

I also disliked the scene where Jack comes back to Aguirre's trailor to inqire about Ennis. Aguirre treated him so bad and the shock anger and humiliation was so evident in Jack's eyes.

Yes, true about Aguirre.  But I thought Jack handled it well -- he was "brave," didn't let Aguirre make him feel like a worm.  I was proud of him.  Even after being put down like he was, he squared his shoulders and turned back and asked about Ennis del Mar.  Not an easy thing to do, after what Aguirre had just said.  He might as well have painted a sign on his forehead that said, yeah, Ennis Del Mar and I fell in love up on Brokeback.

We've talked elsewhere about Jack always being put down.  This is so sad.  He is such a beautiful person.  And somewhere he did find it in himself to not let the b*stards get him down.  To not lead a small life.  So he usually could only stay on the bull four seconds, but damnit, he was going to keep trying.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #277 on: Nov 05, 2006, 12:06 AM »
It's what I love about Jack. He took shit all through the movie but he always had hope of something better .Gawd! I wish the ending could've been different.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #278 on: Nov 05, 2006, 01:41 AM »
The scene I dislike the most is the entire end of the movie! 

Seriously, I am so enthralled and so into the fanfiction such as Somebody New and Force Of Nature by Jenna Sinclair, as well as Shades Of Grey by Amy, that the movie's ending doesn't even register with me anymore.

I was desperate for some healing after seeing the movie numerous times and our fan fiction has done that for me. I just couldn't go on crying every time I even thought of the movie's ending.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #279 on: Nov 05, 2006, 02:05 AM »
That's why we are so addicted to them I believe. Jack lives out his sweet life with Ennis. Thank goodness for these sites too. It's like Jack got stolen from us unexpectedly too soon when we were'nt ready to let him go yet. He was so full of life that when the end of the movie came I was like WHAT??!!!!! when Ennis pulled out the postcard. I could hardly accept it.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #280 on: Nov 28, 2006, 01:48 PM »
I understand what you mean about the ending. But seen another way: There wouldn't be any fanfic, probably no ennisjack either, if there had been a happy ending. The movie is a great movie, not just a good one, because of the ending. So I think it has to be there. Without the last scene, without "Jack, I swear" something would definitely be missing.

More and more I've come to believe that what I dislike the most are certain "missing" scenes: The "brilliant spark of their coupling", that is mentioned in the short story, many years into their relationship. I get the feeling that we don't really know how sexual their relationship remains up to the very end. I would have liked that to be in there somewhere: That their love for each other was always passionate and physical.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #281 on: Nov 28, 2006, 04:42 PM »
I understand what you mean about the ending. But seen another way: There wouldn't be any fanfic, probably no ennisjack either, if there had been a happy ending. The movie is a great movie, not just a good one, because of the ending. So I think it has to be there. Without the last scene, without "Jack, I swear" something would definitely be missing.

More and more I've come to believe that what I dislike the most are certain "missing" scenes: The "brilliant spark of their coupling", that is mentioned in the short story, many years into their relationship. I get the feeling that we don't really know how sexual their relationship remains up to the very end. I would have liked that to be in there somewhere: That their love for each other was always passionate and physical.

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And I certainly agree that we were deprived of seeing, in the movie, that they still had that "brilliant spark of their coupling" in the later meetings.  I really wanted to see, at the very least, a beautiful passionate kiss when they were older.  I wonder if there was one, that they took out...  All we have is their sleeping (chastely, to all appearances) in the tent.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #282 on: Dec 10, 2006, 08:06 AM »
i absolutley hated the scene in which Ennis had to call Lureen to try and confirm Jack's death and listen to her do just that. I became frustrated when it sort of seemed like she was'nt telling him the whole truth about it. I'm still confused even now.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #283 on: Jun 17, 2007, 01:05 PM »
I dislike the scenes with alma and laureen
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #284 on: Jun 17, 2007, 03:43 PM »
I dislike the scene when Jack goes back to Signal and sees Aquirre, wondering if Ennis came back to work.   This is a painful scene to me.   The way Aquirre spoke to him, and the "stemming the rose" thing.   Jack actually is subjected to prejudice, and  bears the pain and cruelty the straight world causes him, unlike Ennis.  Maybe this is the reason he went to Texas.   In the film he never mentions it, or complains about it. 

Jack's wanting the "sweet life", with Ennis was stronger than his fears.  I love Jack Twist. 

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #285 on: Jun 24, 2007, 06:37 PM »
I dislike the scene when Jack goes back to Signal and sees Aquirre, wondering if Ennis came back to work.   This is a painful scene to me.   The way Aquirre spoke to him, and the "stemming the rose" thing.   Jack actually is subjected to prejudice, and  bears the pain and cruelty the straight world causes him, unlike Ennis.  Maybe this is the reason he went to Texas.   In the film he never mentions it, or complains about it.   

Since aquiring the cd, this is the scene that I have FF over the most often.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #286 on: Jun 24, 2007, 09:36 PM »
I dislike the scenes with alma and laureen

I agree! IMO, they represent not only the "outside world" full of hatred and intolerance, but of course, also one of the major blocks to allowing Ennis and Jack to get together. They're not bad persons, but they do tie our men down, symbolically at least, and further exacerbate the problems Jack and Ennis must endure in order for them to get together.
Besides, we know that even if Jack or Ennis is getting along great with their "wafs," [Texan pronunciation]there is someone and something much greater, a way of living more pleasing to them. They know it too, and it seems that all they want is to go on their next "fishing trip."
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #287 on: Jun 24, 2007, 09:49 PM »
I FF through the scene where Lureen has just had the baby, and LD and Mrs. Newsome are there in her room, and LD treats Jack so condescendingly.  Besides, I just don't like them.  Or LD anyway, and the Mrs. goes along with him.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #288 on: Jun 26, 2007, 10:45 AM »
I dont dislike any of the scenes enough or find them useless for the movie.But there are some scenes that make me feel uncomftable like the scene with the clown cause Jack is beeing humiliated. And in someway I dont like the scene with Lureen in car with Jack, somehow it seem like she is totally dominating him there on top of him, he  dont seems like his heart is with in it.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #289 on: Jun 26, 2007, 12:36 PM »
I dont dislike any of the scenes enough or find them useless for the movie.But there are some scenes that make me feel uncomftable like the scene with the clown cause Jack is beeing humiliated. And in someway I dont like the scene with Lureen in car with Jack, somehow it seem like she is totally dominating him there on top of him, he  dont seems like his heart is with in it.

It's like you hit on scenes when Jack was at his most vulnerable.   I had to laugh at the scene when Lureen takes off her shirt, and Jack says "you are in a hurry",  what a contrast from the FNIT.  The scene with the clown shows us how Jack may have tried and fail at making a connection, and you fear for his safety, but he takes that chance.   I think of the way Randall approaches him, and how caught off guard Jack was, but how exciting it must have been for him.   

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #290 on: Jun 30, 2007, 06:10 PM »
I FF through the scene where Lureen has just had the baby, and LD and Mrs. Newsome are there in her room, and LD treats Jack so condescendingly.  Besides, I just don't like them.  Or LD anyway, and the Mrs. goes along with him.

This scene usually ticks me off. "Rodeo can get it!"  "F" him! >:(
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #291 on: Jul 01, 2007, 09:44 AM »
It's not just the words, either; it's also the fact that he doesn't even look at Jack when he says them. No wonder Jack was driven to sending the postcard to Ennis when he could get away the next summer.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #292 on: Jul 01, 2007, 11:41 AM »
I dont dislike any of the scenes enough or find them useless for the movie.But there are some scenes that make me feel uncomftable like the scene with the clown cause Jack is beeing humiliated. And in someway I dont like the scene with Lureen in car with Jack, somehow it seem like she is totally dominating him there on top of him, he  dont seems like his heart is with in it.


I agree, goblondie.  Every scene really is important because each scene tells us something about the characters that we would not have known without that scene.  I hate what happens in the scenes described above because I hate to see Jack humiliated, put down.  But, we would not know Jack if we didn't see what he livved with.  I also agree that Jack did not seem to enthused about Lureen and what they were doing in the car.  He went along for the ride ( no pun intended), but we all know where his heart was.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #293 on: Jul 01, 2007, 04:19 PM »
I hate the scene where Jack gets rejected in the divorce debaucle. He is crying in the truck as he heads to Mexico. Jack's hopes were so high that the let down was devastating to him. Especially when it did'nt have to happen that way IMO. Ennis's shame and fear overtook him causing a sad realization in Jack that Ennis was the one who put the brakes on their sweet life, not Alma. Here I feel his behavior was totally unacceptable. Why could'nt he have Jack wait till he returned later from his weekend with the girls and at least talked it out with Jack or some other comprimse? To send Jack away, knowing why Jack had driven all the way from Texas to be with him is inexcusable, IMO  fears be damned!.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #294 on: Aug 06, 2007, 07:05 PM »
This is still a very uncomfortable scene for me.  Jack drove such a long distance.  Perhaps Jack did jump to conclusions but Ennis could have given him something? Although I am drawn towards Ennis, this is one scene where I really hurt for Jack. :\'(

Every time I watch this scene I am reminded of a particular day where I traveled an hour to meet someone away from the meat market bar scene.  It amounted to me sitting quietly while he and his buddies watched a football game. >:(
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #295 on: Aug 06, 2007, 09:09 PM »
Why could'nt he have Jack wait till he returned later from his weekend with the girls and at least talked it out with Jack or some other comprimse? To send Jack away, knowing why Jack had driven all the way from Texas to be with him is inexcusable, IMO  fears be damned!.

That notion has been bothering me on and off since I first saw this film. Ennis doesn't seem able to show Jack the consideration most people would give an acquaintance or even a stranger in similar circumstances. It marks one of at least a half dozen instances where I feel like yelling or throwing things at the screen to wake Ennis up! :h)
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #296 on: Aug 07, 2007, 08:48 AM »
I can't say there are scenes I actively dislike, but when I watch it on the DVD, I usually skip over the scene where Jack shows up after the divorce and Ennis sends him away. The heartbreak in Jack's face is just too difficult to watch, and this is pretty much the point where their lives start going downhill fast.

Only other criticism is over the scenes that aren't there -- IMO it would have benefitted hugely from an erotic or even just affectionate scene in the second half of the movie. It almost started to look like they really were were just on a fishing trip, and it made the first half of the movie and the second half unbalanced in a way.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #297 on: Aug 07, 2007, 01:33 PM »
I agree with CSC - I once travelled several hundred miles to meet someone, who greeted me and set off to where he was going anyway, me in tow. En route he met a friend - stopped and talked for some time, didn't introduce me, then went on to where he'd been going. It was the beginning of the end of a beautiful friendship. There's nothing worse than being treated as though you hardly exist, specially by someone who's supposed to love you - I can't see how Jack got over that dismissal by Ennis.

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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #298 on: Aug 08, 2007, 06:42 AM »
 Yeah, I still find it inexcusable. I just wish Jack had called him on it. I understand Ennis's fear, and that he had his girls there , but this behavior is indefensible.  It's not  like Jack had driven from  just around the corner or just up the road.   He drove all the way from Texas for chrissake!!! This was a blow to Jack's emotional well-being as well as the relationship as a whole . This sucked.
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Re: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
« Reply #299 on: Aug 08, 2007, 07:57 AM »
Ok, Ok. I’ll set myself up for this one. Now just imagine - it’s Thanksgiving Day at the Twist’s with the Newsome’s an’ all. Doorbell rings and - surprise it’s Ennis, “Hi Jack, just came down to see if we can get together over the holiday and pretend were not queer”. What would Jack do? It’d be a tough situation, even for Jack who’s not one to hide. “Come on in Ennis have a seat here with my prick of a father in-law, who by the way thinks I’m not much of a man anyway. We can talk about all the good times we’ve had campin' and fishin’ together” (See, L.D. we don’t go up there to fish . . )

So here’s Ennis, first time he’s seen his daughters in a month or more, we’ve no idea what he’s planned for today or tomorrow, and pop – out of the blue here’s Jack. Ennis is seems genuinely glad to see him, but is bewildered as to what to do. He doesn’t send him away, doesn’t ask him to stay either. I think he’s like a deer caught in the headlights, completely at a loss of satisfactory action. Ennis’s “uncommonly quick reflexes” don’t suit him to these type situations when’s there’s no one to punch or somethin’ to catch. He sees potential exposure and harm to himself and Jack at every turn. So he just shuffles around, looking hopeless. (Too bad Jr. didn’t pipe up with a suggestion – Come on, get in Jack you can sit next to me!!  :d))

Jack can’t stay at his place with the girls there, too small. He could shack up at the Siesta until the girls are gone, I don’t know why neither one thinks of this obvious solution. Jack doesn’t seem too bright here either.

Anyway, to me this scene really shows the limitations both men had on how to think about their relationship. Jack too impulsive, Ennis too recalcitrant.
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