Author Topic: What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler) (Read 521895 times)

daveya26 · « **Reply #30 on:** Jan 15, 2006, 06:07 AM »

The scene I found awkward was the tranisition of the scenes beteen Jack and Lureen having sex in the car to her having their child - I thought the passage of time jarred here. I know it's hard to depict this and that they have 20 years to show on screen, but this just didnt feel right - this is the only scene I wasnt keen on, so thats pretty good going in my book!

Did anyone else think so?

brokebackmountain · « **Reply #31 on:** Jan 15, 2006, 06:25 AM »

Quote from: daveya26 on Jan 15, 2006, 06:07 AM

The scene I found awkward was the tranisition of the scenes beteen Jack and Lureen having sex in the car to her having their child - I thought the passage of time jarred here. I know it's hard to depict this and that they have 20 years to show on screen, but this just didnt feel right - this is the only scene I wasnt keen on, so thats pretty good going in my book! Did anyone else think so?

It does fastfoward a little bit. I didn't feel anything about the transition but in one of my viewing sitting next to a group of 4 ladies - when the transition happened, one said to the other - oh? he is married too?

Perhaps it serves a purpose - remember Jack said to Ennis - "as far as our marriage goes, we could do it over the phone."

The transition could just mean that -- insignificance.

kcristob · « **Reply #32 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 06:33 PM »

back to the scene when Elma confronts Ennis in the kitchen. It is uncomfortable to watch the almost unleashed violence (but - I really don't think Ennis would ever really hit her). For some reason I feel that not only is Ennis freaked out about her knowing - I also think there is a bit of protection there for his relationship with Jack. Ennis says something like "you don't know nothin about it." It may be wishful thinking on my part, but upon my second viewing the violence feels like it may stem from alma making what he and jack have "nasty." Not that he would fess up to it, but I think he has come to terms with it to some degree, and isn't about to give it up.

Aela · « **Reply #33 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 06:59 PM »

My least favorite scenes were with Ennis' waitress. They just didn't seem to serve any purpose that I could see.

Oh, and about Jack/Lureen and how fast it goes from them making out in the back seat to her with the baby. I think that may have been to show that Jack got her pregnant right away and they had to have a "shotgun wedding." That's just my gut feeling, but it would also explain why Jack's father-in-law resents Jack so much.

chameau · « **Reply #34 on:** Jan 16, 2006, 07:40 PM »

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My least favorite scenes were with Ennis' waitress. They just didn't seem to serve any purpose that I could see.

Oh, and about Jack/Lureen and how fast it goes from them making out in the back seat to her with the baby. I think that may have been to show that Jack got her pregnant right away and they had to have a "shotgun wedding." That's just my gut feeling, but it would also explain why Jack's father-in-law resents Jack so much.

Interesting point! Never tough of it. Thanks for sharing!

coguaro · « **Reply #35 on:** Jan 23, 2006, 05:06 AM »

If you mean the scene were Ennis is waiting for Jack (second) encounter, I think it is a very important scene!! Have you ever saw Ennis so stiff and involved as in this situation: the moment of dream coming true is arriving!

I didn't found any useless scene... i liked all the film... cant found any scene I dislike

rabjr1 · « **Reply #36 on:** Jan 23, 2006, 12:49 PM »

Quote from: brokebackmountain on Jan 02, 2006, 04:10 AM

Quote from: stationbbm on Jan 01, 2006, 10:07 PM
This is easy...I'll move conversation away from the daughters as I agree with earlier comments made about connecting Ennis to family (even despite the tragic relationship with Jack). His daughters provide hope that Ennis will NOT be lonely even after Jack.

Clearly the worst scene/s were those of Jack Twist in Texas. All of the characters, including Lureen's father were so sterotypically Texan...what with bolo ties, large-sized belt buckles, pot belly, big hair, on and on. I live in Texas and was somewhat offended that Ang Lee did not take more time and attention to be less JR Ewing about these scenes. While the story follows with Jack marrying into Texas wealth, I think the purple crush velvet dining room chairs and diamond pinky rings could have been more subtle. Thankfully this was not soooooo distracting as to take away from the depth and spirit of the film. I can only thank the editing room for that.

stationbbm

Another movie with fireworks is "Big Eden". Well at least there wasn't a champagne bottle going off, but it had a somewhat similar effect on me.

Good point and I agree that stereotypes are really the shortcomings. I can also add the 4th July scene.

monicita · « **Reply #37 on:** Jan 23, 2006, 01:22 PM »

Quote from: Toadily on Jan 06, 2006, 10:44 PM

What did the Jack trying to buy the clown a drink scene mean? Was he hitting on him or just trying to
get known or something? I wasn't clear on that.

I did notice in contrast to all his outgoing actions, Jack didn't approach Lureen.

Hi,

I asked that same question on IMDB and got some good answers. There are two different opinions: One group thinks that the scene is there to show how isolated Jack felt most of his life, how "straight" guys reacted to him and gave him a hard time. But without openly rejecting him for being gay. And that he was just trying to be friendly, have a chat. The other group thinks he was trying to put the moves on the guy and felt really threatened by his reactions (the way he whispered to the other guys around the pool table, maybe telling them jack was a "fag" or something). Whatever you think, it seems to be clear that this scene is meant to make us understand the reasons why Jack wanted to marry and lead a "normal" life. Sheer and utter loneliness.

hope this helps you,

monicita

tpe · « **Reply #38 on:** Jan 23, 2006, 01:38 PM »

Quote from: monicita on Jan 23, 2006, 01:22 PM

Quote from: Toadily on Jan 06, 2006, 10:44 PM
What did the Jack trying to buy the clown a drink scene mean? Was he hitting on him or just trying to
get known or something? I wasn't clear on that.

I did notice in contrast to all his outgoing actions, Jack didn't approach Lureen.

Hi,

I asked that same question on IMDB and got some good answers. There are two different opinions: One group thinks that the scene is there to show how isolated Jack felt most of his life, how "straight" guys reacted to him and gave him a hard time. But without openly rejecting him for being gay. And that he was just trying to be friendly, have a chat. The other group thinks he was trying to put the moves on the guy and felt really threatened by his reactions (the way he whispered to the other guys around the pool table, maybe telling them jack was a "fag" or something). Whatever you think, it seems to be clear that this scene is meant to make us understand the reasons why Jack wanted to marry and lead a "normal" life. Sheer and utter loneliness.

hope this helps you,

monicita

In the screenplay, the 'clown' is disturbed by Jack's look and a certain 'frisson'. The implication is clear. Jack was giving him very suggestive looks. And the way Gyllenhaal does this is pure magic: his eyes widen a bit and the mouth twists ever so slightly beneath a smile -- suggesting a strange hunger.

BBM Obsessed · « **Reply #39 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 05:07 PM »

It's a toss up between two:

(1) When Jack tried to buy the rodeo clown a beer, and

(2) When Jack went to Mexico for a rendevous in the shadows.

Only one of them would have been necessary to me, but that's just me.

chameau · « **Reply #40 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 05:13 PM »

I would say when Ennis takes some serious beating on the street after he left Alma's house on Thanksgiving.

bnjmn3 · « **Reply #41 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 10:07 PM »

I do not know others life experiences outside of North Carolina, but the Fireworks scene and the Thanksgiving scene (both of them) seem realistic to me..I have seen these people and these situations before.
I don't like that the 2nd tent scene ("It's alright..") is too short and feels rushed. Longer, longer, longer....

chameau · « **Reply #42 on:** Feb 01, 2006, 10:15 PM »

Quote from: bnjmn3 on Feb 01, 2006, 10:07 PM

I do not know others life experiences outside of North Carolina, but the Fireworks scene and the Thanksgiving scene (both of them) seem realistic to me..I have seen these people and these situations before.
I don't like that the 2nd tent scene ("It's alright..") is too short and feels rushed. Longer, longer, longer....

The 2nd tent scene too sho

I don't know.

This movie is haunting me for so long. I believe now Ang Lee's sensible eye was just right. There is not too many nor not enough. It's a so well crafted masterpiece. I woudn't change anything.

monicita · « **Reply #43 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 08:58 AM »

A question for all of you: When you say that you "dislike" scenes, does that mean, you dislike them because they are not true to the movie or to nature or whatever, or because they hurt?

monicita

cybernaut · « **Reply #44 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 09:31 AM »

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The other group thinks he was trying to put the moves on the guy and felt really threatened by his reactions (the way he whispered to the other guys around the pool table, maybe telling them jack was a "fag" or something).

I think its more of "Do you know that guy? Does he buy you beer too? Who is he?"
A guy stranger buys you beer is weird, usually with no good reason, especially when Jack is not exactly rich.

As for Lureen... A lot of guys hit on her, except Jack and thus caught her interest.
Ang Lee did mention that Lureen is a predator. Maybe a self-centered, egotistic power craving woman.
(Sounds like Desperate Housewives)

I laughed when she approached Jack, "What you waiting for cowboy? Your mating call?" :D
If I am Jack, I would like, "Eeeks!" :-[

cybernaut · « **Reply #45 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 09:39 AM »

The scene I found the weirdest was the part where Jack was peeling a potato and Ennis was washing up naked unfocused in the background.

I had expected Jack to turn a little and to peek a little at the corner of his eye while pretending to peel the potato. But his eyelids were so low that it seems that he was concentrating on the potato.

Did anyone able to read into the relevance of that scene?
Or was it a simple interpretation of cleaning and peeing (in the next scene) in close promixity and no borders....

monicita · « **Reply #46 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 10:11 AM »

I thought a lot about the potato scene, as well. In one review somebody says that Jack can't keep his eyes off Ennis, even though he is trying to seem to be concentrating on the potato. Maybe it's that: The beauty of the scene is, that we are expecting Jack to turn, slide his eyes, but we can see, in the way he is concentrating on the stupid potato, as if it were a mantra, how much rather he would look at Ennis. When we see it like that, the scene becomes an incredibly potent image of forbidden love/lust. Objects (potatoes and others, shirts for example) become laden with significance, they would not otherwise have, if this love/lust could express itself openly.

monicita

cybernaut · « **Reply #47 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 10:43 AM »

The frustrating thing is we couldn't tell!! :-\ All we know that the scene was inserted there for a purpose and we WOULD like to think that Jack was "privately spying / stalking" his partner. Unless Jack was thinking of peeling Ennis layer by layer?

God forbid what Jack thinks!

Concerned women of America are watching!

Brings me back the time when we are infatuated with somebody (Princess Fiona and Sir Justin Timberlake

) that we would daydream and possibly peeling potatoes at the same time! haha! :D

bnjmn3 · « **Reply #48 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 08:05 PM »

During the potato scene, Jack has trouble breathing and swallowing and seems to almost lose the cigarette between his lips...Jake is incredible here and throughout the film.

camom · « **Reply #49 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 08:42 PM »

I'd say Jack was concentrating really, REALLY hard on peeling that potato! He had feelings for Jack at that point, but wasn't ready to show his cards, so to speak.

The first time I saw BBM, I didn't really care for the scenes with Cassie, but on further viewings, I can see why those scenes are important. They show Ennis' inability to maintain relationships with women, and they needed the scenes with Cassie to demonstate that it wasn't just an Ennis/Alma thing, it was an Ennis/women/Jack thing. So in that sense, even though those scenes aren't my favorites, I can see their importance.

camom

Pierre · « **Reply #50 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 08:53 PM »

The scene where Ennis & Jack meet for the last time. I can't say I dislike, it's one of the best but their relation ending with a fight makes me so uncomfortable. And Ennis threatening Jack to
death means he is not only sad when Jack dies but also feels some terrible remorses.
...finally I like this oh so necessary scene! Wrong subjest for this post?

cybernaut · « **Reply #51 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 09:28 PM »

Quote from: bnjmn3 on Feb 02, 2006, 08:05 PM

During the potato scene, Jack has trouble breathing and swallowing and seems to almost lose the cigarette between his lips...Jake is incredible here and throughout the film.

I went back to the scene and saw it a few times.... Jack was definitely sneaking a peak at Ennis washing himself. It is very very subtle but at the split moment when he heard the pants drop and the belt cling, his eyeballs turned to the direction of Ennis.

And Jack is not very good with his can opener is he or was he distracted by Ennis?

chameau · « **Reply #52 on:** Feb 02, 2006, 09:43 PM »

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And Jack is not very good with his can opener is he or was he distracted by Ennis?

Good one!

monicita · « **Reply #53 on:** Feb 03, 2006, 08:14 AM »

Quote from: chameau on Feb 02, 2006, 09:43 PM

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And Jack is not very good with his can opener is he or was he distracted by Ennis?

Good one!

LOL. I always loved the way Jack was so confident about his being good with a can opener and then losing it completely when he tries to open a can. Very funny. But in a way also very telling. I think, what Jack is best at is loving, not living (at least not in the usual sense of organizing his life).

monicita

JerBear418720 · « **Reply #54 on:** Feb 03, 2006, 12:30 PM »

2 scenes I didn't like:

1st was way at the beginning - Jack is leaning against his truck in Aguirre's parking lot. He looks for all the world like a Halsted Street (Chicago Boystown) poser. I though, "oh no, I hope this isn't what the movie is going to be like". That evaporated fast, tho.

2nd is near the end when Ennis is in the phone booth talking to Lureen. I thought his reaction was pretty flat and most un-Ennis-like. I expected something more powerful - like a punch thru the glass or some animal-like moan.

This is all relative, tho. 99.9% of the movie is beautifully crafted.

cybernaut · « **Reply #55 on:** Feb 03, 2006, 02:23 PM »

Quote from: monicita on Feb 03, 2006, 08:14 AM

Quote from: chameau on Feb 02, 2006, 09:43 PM
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And Jack is not very good with his can opener is he or was he distracted by Ennis?

Good one!

LOL. I always loved the way Jack was so confident about his being good with a can opener and then losing it completely when he tries to open a can. Very funny. But in a way also very telling. I think, what Jack is best at is loving, not living (at least not in the usual sense of organizing his life).

monicita

God... I remember I was the only one chuckling out loud in the cinema, nobody caught that joke?? :-[ .

However I was thinking, "Jack, why did you press that silly lid?"

:D
But being cheeky Jack, I thought ha it must be one of those little silly things to catch Ennis' attention, at least to get him to smile.

One of those endearing moments.

cybernaut · « **Reply #56 on:** Feb 03, 2006, 02:39 PM »

Quote from: JerBear418720 on Feb 03, 2006, 12:30 PM

2 scenes I didn't like:

1st was way at the beginning - Jack is leaning against his truck in Aguirre's parking lot. He looks for all the world like a Halsted Street (Chicago Boystown) poser. I though, "oh no, I hope this isn't what the movie is going to be like". That evaporated fast, tho.

2nd is near the end when Ennis is in the phone booth talking to Lureen. I thought his reaction was pretty flat and most un-Ennis-like. I expected something more powerful - like a punch thru the glass or some animal-like moan.

This is all relative, tho. 99.9% of the movie is beautifully crafted.

1) I thought Jack was already flirting with Ennis then... But I guess the two of them didn't know if both of them are going to selected for the job, if they were, Ennis would probably not be so cold.
Jack said, it was cut in the movie but it was in the trailer, "If we are going to work together, we better start drinking together."

2) Notice how Ennis gripped the handset close to his heart. Fear has gripped him at this point and he felt kinda numb and a little frightened.

I remember my eariler tom-cat wasn't doing so well after a big fight. He returned after two weeks, struggling. He wasn't meowing and couldn't eat much. Took him to the vet the following day and the vet said its best to put him down. At that time I didn't know what was going on even though I saw him stick his tongue out after the lethal injection. I sat outside the vet for a few hours, feeling numb... It was only until I got home at night and suddenly I cried for hours...

I can understand why Ennis didn't react as we would expect him to until the shirt scene which was the trigger point and I thought it was also the closure point for him to accept the reality.

bnjmn3 · « **Reply #57 on:** Feb 03, 2006, 02:57 PM »

Quote from: cybernaut on Feb 03, 2006, 02:39 PM

Quote from: JerBear418720 on Feb 03, 2006, 12:30 PM
2 scenes I didn't like:

1st was way at the beginning - Jack is leaning against his truck in Aguirre's parking lot. He looks for all the world like a Halsted Street (Chicago Boystown) poser. I though, "oh no, I hope this isn't what the movie is going to be like". That evaporated fast, tho.
Seems Jack Twist had some idea of what he wanted here and wasnt afraid to go after it.

2nd is near the end when Ennis is in the phone booth talking to Lureen. I thought his reaction was pretty flat and most un-Ennis-like. I expected something more powerful - like a punch thru the glass or some animal-like moan.

He is out in public..right across from the Post Office--not a place for Ennis to be himself.

Cowboy Cody · « **Reply #58 on:** Feb 03, 2006, 07:09 PM »

two scenes I didn't like in the trailer with that schmuck boss and when Ennis gets the postcard backed marked deceased, I LOST IT.

jrfh50 · « **Reply #59 on:** Feb 03, 2006, 10:42 PM »

The buying the rodeo clown a drink scene made me uncomfortable because of the subtlety of the fear....I do not think it completely obvious that the clown dude returns to the group at the pool table and directly says something about Jack....Thing is, he doesn't HAVE to do that for Jack to be afraid...He let something out, it was rejected (I felt I saw that in the way the clown paused and looked back at him while still talking, very well done)...and Jack felt, it seemed to me, an upswelling of shame...Like we saw when Aguirre said he had no work for the likes of Jack....The sense that he's gone too far and now he's in trouble. That seems reinforced when we see Jack's miserably stiff and judgmental dad, the mocking tone about Jack's fervent desires.

Also, there's a bit in the big final confrontation scene the last time Ennis and Jack are together, Ennis is moving up to Jack and turning and the way his mouth is moving doesn't match the words we're hearing...It's a split second that looks dubbed and I've grown to hate it.