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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #270 on: Apr 20, 2011, 09:16 AM »
I'll try and listen to it carefully. :d)  (t)
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #271 on: Apr 21, 2011, 07:36 AM »
Oh the hardship ::) :P

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #272 on: Apr 22, 2011, 12:12 PM »
Oh the hardship ::) :P

Oh,yes ¡ I don't know if I will be able to stand such a great hardship ¡  >:D  ;)
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #273 on: Apr 22, 2011, 12:23 PM »
I feel so sorry for you ::) :P

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #274 on: Apr 22, 2011, 12:27 PM »
I feel so sorry for you ::) :P

Don't be sorry;this is exactly the kind of duties I'd always like to do ¡  :P
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
("If I asked")
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You will be forever in my heart,friends.

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #275 on: Apr 22, 2011, 12:33 PM »
Tell me about it ;D

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #276 on: Apr 23, 2011, 03:47 PM »
The Water Walking Jesus scene...you know how Ennis asks about the Pentecost, and Jack says he thinks "fellas like you and me march off to hell"?

Well I didn't know what the Pentecost was, so I looked it up, and I found this:


http://www.stpaulskingsville.org/pentecost.htm

Jack's interpretation seems way off...was he just trying to create an opening, to test Ennis, see what kind of reaction he got? (Let's face it, he got a good one ;))

I think it's safe to assume, Kitty, that it's Jack's ignorance about a major event in the New Testament that is being displayed here rather than anything more devious. It certainly looks as though Jack's mother has a Pentecostalist background - I have been assured that the type of crucifix seen on her living room wall would be typical of a Pentecostalist household - but little of this seems to have been transmitted to her son. Ennis, somewhat disingenuously, claims that he wouldn't know anything about the Pentecost as his parents were Methodist but even an ordinary Methodist would certainly know the story of the Pentecost.

All in all, I suspect what we are being shown is a younger generation who have become disassociated from the beliefs and churches of their parents. They are not necessarily agnostic or atheist but simply disinterested in things religious.

However, once married, it is clear that Alma has dragged a very reluctant Ennis back to church and I suspect it's the church of Ennis's parents - the Methodists. We know that Alma Jr. is to be married not just in church but in the Methodist church, so it would make sense that that was the church the girls had grown up in. Ennis's  reluctant association with of this group comes through on a couple of occasions. On one Alma Jr. is pleading with him to take them to the church picnic which Ennis  only agrees to provided he doesn't have to sing. (What Ennis has against singing remains a mystery). On another, Alma is encouraging Ennis to get dressed up so they can go to the church social but Ennis dismisses those attending as "that fire-and- brimstone crowd".

However, if Ennis attends his daughter's wedding, there will be one thing to his advantage. He won't be called upon to sing. His younger daughter, Jenny, will be doing that.
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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #277 on: Apr 24, 2011, 06:16 AM »
I'm sorry but...half of that went over my head {b} ;D

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #278 on: Apr 24, 2011, 02:46 PM »
I'm sorry but...half of that went over my head {b} ;D

Sorry about that, Kitty. Maybe you're unfamiliar with the names of various branches of Christianity like the Pentecostals and the Methodists. (To confuse things further, my background is Anglican, or, if you live in the US, the name is Episcopalian).

Anyway, if here's anything I can do to help, let me know. However, I'm leaving on a three week trip to London and Paris on Tuesday and will be out of email range during that period.

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #279 on: Apr 26, 2011, 04:08 PM »
Okay, when Ennis pulls Jack's jeans down and spits into his hand and, well ya know :P
you hear him gasp, then Jack gasps, then Ennis gasps again and then I think Jack says F**k, then Ennis gasps again and Jack says "me", I'm sure it's there (^)
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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #280 on: Apr 27, 2011, 07:20 AM »
Absolutely. I hear that too.

I was in danger of drowning in my own drool ;D :d)

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #281 on: May 03, 2011, 12:24 PM »
I was in danger of drowning in my own drool ;D :d)

Oh MY....   Kiiiiittyyyy  ;D

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #282 on: May 03, 2011, 12:58 PM »
Oh MY....   Kiiiiittyyyy  ;D



Yeeeeeeeeees? #)

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #283 on: May 08, 2011, 12:37 PM »
Okay, the FNIT, when they're still outside. Ennis goes "I'm gonna go up to the sheep now" right? Directly after he says this, I swear that groaning noise he makes, it sounds like "Get in your ass" ::)

Probably my dirty imagination, I need to get my head out of the gutter ;D

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #284 on: May 18, 2011, 12:32 PM »
When they're rolling down the hill and Jack gets Ennis in the nose with his knee, when Ennis is knocked back, just before he wipes his nose, I dunno about you guys but I can see the blood dripping :-\\ I'm not normally squeamish about blood, but I was like "ewww" ;D

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #285 on: May 29, 2011, 08:43 AM »
 :i :i :i

Once again, utterly useless information; which magazine is Aguirre reading the next summer?



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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #286 on: May 29, 2011, 10:58 AM »
:i :i :i

Once again, utterly useless information; which magazine is Aguirre reading the next summer?



The Progressive Herder?  #)

How random ;D

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #287 on: May 29, 2011, 02:56 PM »
:i :i :i

Once again, utterly useless information; which magazine is Aguirre reading the next summer?



The Progressive Herder?  #)

What I find of interesting here is the difference between the ring Aguirre is wearing here and the ring he is wearing when he first interviews Jack and Ennis.

The ring from that first scene has been much discussed  in the past to try and establish what exactly it is. It is a rather flamboyant (vulgar?) blue stone ring, probably of a commemorative nature and maybe with a military connection

However, the ring Aguirre is wearing a year later is simply a gold band - a wedding ring, I assume, but as far as I know, this ring has never been discussed.

Is the implication of this change of rings that Aguirre has got married during the year that has passed?

I'm afraid I don't know how you transfer images from, say, Striped Wall, to this board so perhaps one of our resident experts, like rdx or Kitty could arrange a post so that both rings are displayed for comparison.
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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #288 on: May 29, 2011, 03:37 PM »
Resident expert? Me? Since when? ;D

I'll give it a shot...

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #289 on: May 29, 2011, 03:44 PM »
Okay, I found this...



This is definitely from 1963, when he first meets Jack and Ennis, and he appears to be wearing both rings :s)

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #290 on: May 29, 2011, 04:34 PM »
Okay, I found this...



This is definitely from 1963, when he first meets Jack and Ennis, and he appears to be wearing both rings :s)

Well done, Kitty! I guess we don't get to see the blue ring in 1964, only the other ring, the simple gold band. Does this look like a wedding ring to others? Is it on the customary finger?

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« Reply #291 on: May 29, 2011, 04:40 PM »
*proud* Thank you! #s}

The gold ring does appear to be on the correct finger for it to be a wedding band :)

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #292 on: Jun 12, 2011, 07:52 AM »
Here's a question...



That truck on the far right...would it happen to be Jack's red truck? :*(

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #293 on: Jun 13, 2011, 12:28 PM »
Here's a question...



That truck on the far right...would it happen to be Jack's red truck? :*(

Kitty, it certainly looks like it!

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« Reply #294 on: Jun 13, 2011, 12:30 PM »
Kitty, it certainly looks like it!

One can only imagine what went on in there...oh the mental images (t)

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #295 on: Jun 13, 2011, 01:36 PM »
In his book (page 140) "On Brokeback Mountain" Eric Patterson states that the 'placement' of the truck illustrates (Ennis's) fear: they have rented the room farthest from the motel office.
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« Reply #296 on: Jun 13, 2011, 01:39 PM »
In his book (page 140) "On Brokeback Mountain" Eric Patterson states that the 'placement' of the truck illustrates (Ennis's) fear: they have rented the room farthest from the motel office.

Hmm, that makes sense :s) I need that book ::) ;D

I've still got those images in my head by the way, we've gotta talk about it sometime :P What happened, and how hot it might have been (^)

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #297 on: Jul 25, 2011, 08:49 AM »
Know what I was thinking?

I think that the deleted scene with the hippies takes place in the same fishing trip as the deleted rifle scene (you're late/look what I brought). Jack wears his black hat in the scene in the movie, and in the script of the hippies scene it says that Jack's black hat ends up in the river and floats away. The next time we see Jack with a black hat, I think is the Texas charity dinner, and it's a Texan style, a completely different hat. I think the you're late/look what I brought scene, the rifle scene and the hippies scene all took place in the same fishing trip. They were obviously there for a few days or maybe a week, so the hippies scene could maybe be the day after they meet up? They would have a change of shirt with them, right? I know Jack wears a purple shirt at first, maybe the hippies scene is the next day, since he now wears a green shirt? :s) 

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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #298 on: Sep 25, 2011, 03:29 PM »
Know what I was thinking?

I think that the deleted scene with the hippies takes place in the same fishing trip as the deleted rifle scene (you're late/look what I brought). Jack wears his black hat in the scene in the movie, and in the script of the hippies scene it says that Jack's black hat ends up in the river and floats away. The next time we see Jack with a black hat, I think is the Texas charity dinner, and it's a Texan style, a completely different hat. I think the you're late/look what I brought scene, the rifle scene and the hippies scene all took place in the same fishing trip. They were obviously there for a few days or maybe a week, so the hippies scene could maybe be the day after they meet up? They would have a change of shirt with them, right? I know Jack wears a purple shirt at first, maybe the hippies scene is the next day, since he now wears a green shirt? :s) 
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Yes, indeed; the script excerpts on findingbrokeback.com / deleted scenes say that those scenes took place in 1973:
http://www.findingbrokeback.com/Deleted_Scenes/TheRifle.html
http://www.findingbrokeback.com/Deleted_Scenes/HippieDiscovery.html

The scenes are numbered: the rifle 107 and hippie discovery 109, but later hippie rescue is 109 107
http://www.findingbrokeback.com/Deleted_Scenes/HippieRescue.html

Could some one with better knowledge about the scripts(s) / the scene numbering explain this, please?
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Re: scenes of observation
« Reply #299 on: Sep 25, 2011, 03:45 PM »
Some nitpick observations... ;)

While the boys walk to the Signal bar, Jack walks along the pavement but Ennis makes a little 'turn' and passes a pillar from the other side:


I'd say that it was Heath, not Ennis. There is no change of rhythm in his walk..."long, calliper legs".

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