Topic: scenes of observation

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      I got this idea from the donnie darko thread someone said they wanted to make a observation but it wasnt worth starting a new thread.cant remember who said it .

  So i thought it might be a idea to do that here something you observed in the film but doesnt warrant a whole new thread . What do you all think?

          I have quite a few but i will start with three.
              Have you noticed how jack and ennis have progressed from sitting on logs in 1963 and 1967
                to folding chairs at their last meeting      


        The fly on ennis.s right cheek when he is standing face to face with jack in the confrontation scene.

             After the FNIT in the morning  jack comes out of the tent that is the only time throughout the whole film that jack HAS NOT got his shirt tucked in his jeans. hmm

            

[Tony]

   Great idea- odds and ends that don't need a whole thread!!! How about the confrontation scene, their last time together----
looks like they spliced two takes together, to make the full argument.  And Alma. jr. having silver hair as a child.  And what WAS
Ennis address, that he was pasting on the mailbox of his trailer at the end (can't see my DVD again just right now), and why all the
flies in other scenes- no bug spray?  Great idea---the knick-knacks we all can't forget, but don't know where to put.

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   Great idea- odds and ends that don't need a whole thread!!! How about the confrontation scene, their last time together----
looks like they spliced two takes together, to make the full argument.  And Alma. jr. having silver hair as a child.  And what WAS
Ennis address, that he was pasting on the mailbox of his trailer at the end (can't see my DVD again just right now), and why all the
flies in other scenes- no bug spray?  Great idea---the knick-knacks we all can't forget, but don't know where to put.

 

           Yea i noticed alma jr hair colour, not sure about the two takes to make full argument  havnt noticed that.Ennis was putting numbers on the mail box.

[lamusica]

Everytime I see the scene where Ennis is putting the numbers on the mailbox, I think of the impermanence of his life.  He has moved around a lot.  Here he is, moving into another lonely, old, worn-out trailer.  The way he is standing, the cough, the way he puts the stick-on numbers on the box -- these little details, to me, make this scene very poignant and real.

[tpe]

       The fly on ennis.s right cheek when he is standing face to face with jack in the confrontation scene.

             After the FNIT in the morning  jack comes out of the tent that is the only time throughout the whole film that jack HAS NOT got his shirt tucked in his jeans. hmm            

Yes, I remember some discussion about thees two!

I also remember talking about the speck on Ennis's cheek -- the speck that "fell" to his shirt collar when he threatened Jack and pushed him in that scene.  We were debating whether it was a fly or a speck of dust.  I do think it was a fly.

LF, there are one or two old threads here that deal with all the little details about the film.  Do take a look at those.  I'll post the links here later, for easier reference.


 

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Yes, I remember some discussion about thees two!

I also remember talking about the speck on Ennis's cheek -- the speck that "fell" to his shirt collar when he threatened Jack and pushed him in that scene.  We were debating whether it was a fly or a speck of dust.  I do think it was a fly.

LF, there are one or two old threads here that deal with all the little details about the film.  Do take a look at those.  I'll post the links here later, for easier reference.


 

            Thank you TPE i thought something along these lines might have been done in the past but wasnt sure

[aintfoolin]

 I was fascinated by their creative refridgerating after shooting the elk. The steaks were displayed on the old makeshift rack. I guess it was cold enough up there for this to work, but for how long?

 I got kind of nervous when Jack is leading the sheep along that REALLY high jagged cliff . I thought a sheep would walk right off into the ravine below.!!

And lastly, How much salt DID Ennis put on that steak he was cooking for Jack?!!!  Jeez.

[lamusica]

Hanging the meat out as they did after shooting the elk is the Native American way.  It does not have to be cold.  It can be smoked if you want.  It just needs to be sliced rather thin, so it will dry quickly. The meat will dry ( cure) and then can be kept stored for quite awhile.  Nowadays, with our hypersensitivity to germs and spoilage, I doubt many people still cure their meat in this fashion, but it was the way of the Indians and served them well.

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         Jack has a gorgeous neck but in the confrontation scene when he is blasting ennis he has some serious veins going on there.

[welshwitch]

Jerky's OK as long as you have a strong set of teeth!

I couldn;t work out what was beoing cooked in the frying pan at some points - potatoes once certainly and of course there were the beans in the cans but what else did they have?

[tpe]

I was fascinated by their creative refridgerating after shooting the elk. The steaks were displayed on the old makeshift rack. I guess it was cold enough up there for this to work, but for how long?

 I got kind of nervous when Jack is leading the sheep along that REALLY high jagged cliff . I thought a sheep would walk right off into the ravine below.!!

And lastly, How much salt DID Ennis put on that steak he was cooking for Jack?!!!  Jeez.

I guess that such a rack is used for drying the meat, as well as for keeping it off the ground. 

[aintfoolin]

Hanging the meat out as they did after shooting the elk is the Native American way.  It does not have to be cold.  It can be smoked if you want.  It just needs to be sliced rather thin, so it will dry quickly. The meat will dry ( cure) and then can be kept stored for quite awhile.  Nowadays, with our hypersensitivity to germs and spoilage, I doubt many people still cure their meat in this fashion, but it was the way of the Indians and served them well.

 I suppose that pulley contraption Jack was raising had to do with food too. I think Jack put some  bacon in it. I don't know , I may be wrong. Not much of a camper. Maybe to keep animals at bay from it is my guess, But thanks so much lamusica for enlightening me about this. It's very interesting stuff!

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   Another thing i noticed at the reunion scene how dirty jacks nails were and he wasnt doing a dirty job was he ?   

And how clean ennis,s nails were and he was working on a ranch so you would expect his to be dirty.
 

[manhattangirl]

  
   Another thing i noticed at the reunion scene how dirty jacks nails were and he wasnt doing a dirty job was he ?  

And how clean ennis,s nails were and he was working on a ranch so you would expect his to be dirty.
 

Ennis really spruced up for the occasion.  The only other time he was all decked out  was his wedding.  Jack may have looked a little scruffy, after all he "Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."

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Ennis really spruced up for the occasion.  The only other time he was all decked out  was his wedding.  Jack may have looked a little scruffy, after all he "Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."

   Yea thats true apart from his nails i thought jack looked ok and he was in one hell of a hurry to get to riverton.

[welshwitch]

I assumed ( and the idea of me as a camper would render all my friends hysterical) that the pulley thing shown in the first scene where they made camp was designed to keep their food out of the way of animals - of course I thought bears because I always do.
  Every visitor book in every national park has "Wot,no bears?" in my writing.) And I have a vague meory of ranger instructions to put food up in trees hanging from the far end of branches above the reach of animals of some sort - not elks, surely!?

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Jerky's OK as long as you have a strong set of teeth!

I couldn;t work out what was beoing cooked in the frying pan at some points - potatoes once certainly and of course there were the beans in the cans but what else did they have?

         
           Dont know what was cooking W.W but at one point it looked burnt to a sinder.

[welshwitch]

Yes, don't think either of them was in for chef of the year - I always wondered how Ennis manageed once Alma wasn't around. there again, her cooking looked like a heart attack on a plate, and I can't see Lureen in her clothes and jewellery geting into food preparation. Monroe's supermarket didn't look stacked to the rafters with gourmet treats either.

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   Another thing i noticed at the reunion scene how dirty jacks nails were and he wasnt doing a dirty job was he ?   

And how clean ennis,s nails were and he was working on a ranch so you would expect his to be dirty.
 

Hey, did I miss this one?  How interesting... 

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                When ennis got divorced it was 1975 and he had to pay one hundred and twenty five dollars each child that seems rather a lot for all those years ago doesnt it . I am not sure though as i dont live in the U.S perhaps its not to much i dont know?

[aintfoolin]

                When ennis got divorced it was 1975 and he had to pay one hundred and twenty five dollars each child that seems rather a lot for all those years ago doesnt it . I am not sure though as i dont live in the U.S perhaps its not to much i dont know?

 I believe it's decided according to income.  That's only $250 dollars a month. If Ennis works a month doing ranch work in 1975, this is not unreasonable. These things are worked out between the two parties and their lawyers.alot of times.

Some of these ranches paid once a  month at the time , is my understanding. So maybe  he was getting paid in lump sum . It was the court order to pay $125 dollars per child, but  in terms of years he could pay a great deal of money, as the girls were still young. Ennis seems a very private individual who takes such matters personally was in tears at the impersonal way the whole thing was handled concerning his loss, but I think he knew it was for the best. He was in love with Jack.


Ennis could have challenged this amount in court I think,, after Alma married Monroe, but I cannot see Ennis doing this. He loved and felt responsible for his girls.

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I believe it's decided according to income.  That's only $250 dollars a month. If Ennis works a month doing ranch work in 1975, this is not unreasonable. These things are worked out between the two parties and their lawyers.alot of times.

Some of these ranches paid once a  month at the time , is my understanding. So maybe  he was getting paid in lump sum . It was the court order to pay $125 dollars per child, but  in terms of years he could pay a great deal of money, as the girls were still young. Ennis seems a very private individual who takes such matters personally was in tears at the impersonal way the whole thing was handled concerning his loss, but I think he knew it was for the best. He was in love with Jack.


Ennis could have challenged this amount in court I think,, after Alma married Monroe, but I cannot see Ennis doing this. He loved and felt responsible for his girls.

         
         It just seemed rather a lot for 32 years ago yea i know they go by what you earn your are right ennis wouldnt shirk his responsibilitys he thought to much of his daughters.I didnt know if ranch money was well paid or not. :t)aintfoolin

[jackster]

 It just seemed rather a lot for 32 years ago yea i know they go by what you earn your are right ennis wouldnt shirk his responsibilitys he thought to much of his daughters. I didnt know if ranch money was well paid or not.

I agree ain't, it seems a lot, in the mid 70s workers in Ennis line of lowpayin' ranchwork wold be making about $6,000 to $8,000 A YEAR tops. That $500-$700 a month. $250's half his pay, no wonder he couldn't take off in August!

[jackster]

Ennis’s Ear

Did ya’ ever notice how, in the motel scene close-up of Jack with Ennis’s head lying on his shoulder and we’re in so close all we see is Jack's face and the side of Ennis’s head, his ear and hair. A really “tight” shot. When Jack first lies “. . . I didn’t know we was gonna get into this again . . . “ then fesses up about redlining it to see Ennis and jokes: “Couldn’t get here fast enough” – Ennis’s ear makes a little move, just like ears do when someone smiles. You can imagine Ennis smiling at Jack’s simple confession of his passion and eagerness to see Ennis in this “post coital” exchange. One of those very little things that showed how into it Heath was with the scene, and how confident Ang was that just an ear could say more than words.

[lamusica]

Oh, the lovely little subleties.......

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Ennis’s Ear

Did ya’ ever notice how, in the motel scene close-up of Jack with Ennis’s head lying on his shoulder and we’re in so close all we see is Jack's face and the side of Ennis’s head, his ear and hair. A really “tight” shot. When Jack first lies “. . . I didn’t know we was gonna get into this again . . . “ then fesses up about redlining it to see Ennis and jokes: “Couldn’t get here fast enough” – Ennis’s ear makes a little move, just like ears do when someone smiles. You can imagine Ennis smiling at Jack’s simple confession of his passion and eagerness to see Ennis in this “post coital” exchange. One of those very little things that showed how into it Heath was with the scene, and how confident Ang was that just an ear could say more than words.

 

          Yes i noticed the ear move 

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Ennis could have challenged this amount in court I think,, after Alma married Monroe, but I cannot see Ennis doing this. He loved and felt responsible for his girls.

Yes, I thought about this too, but I guess he wasn't the type who would excuse himself to his own kids...

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Hello everyone.  For your enjoyment, check out the threads under the section "All the Little Things" in

http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=1504.msg21865#msg21865

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Hello everyone.  For your enjoyment, check out the threads under the section "All the Little Things" in

http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=1504.msg21865#msg21865

 
           Thank you tpe i have looked through that list before  but so many to look at. 

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           Thank you tpe i have looked through that list before  but so many to look at. 

You're most welcome, LF. 

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