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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #120 on: May 13, 2008, 11:13 AM »
Thanks Tammy.  There is some sly truth in Lureen's comment.  I paraphrase:  "Knowing Jack, it might have been some pretend place, where the bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring."

Lurren got it, at least in the sense that BBM epitomized a piece of Heaven for Ennis and Jack.  A ranch and a shared life together would have also pretty much epitomized BBM itself.

Of course; a shared life-no matter when-would be an eternal or at least prolonged continuation of the Paradise they found in BBM.
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #121 on: May 13, 2008, 11:46 AM »
Of course; a shared life-no matter when-would be an eternal or at least prolonged continuation of the Paradise they found in BBM.
for some one who doesnt speak english as their primary language that was beutiful Ali  ^f^

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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #122 on: May 13, 2008, 12:22 PM »
for some one who doesnt speak english as their primary language that was beutiful Ali  ^f^

Thank you very much,Matt¡ You're a liar,but a lovely one¡  ;D   :^^)
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #123 on: May 13, 2008, 11:10 PM »
"Home" is wherever they were togther.  The Ranch is indeed a metaphor for a life shared -- wthout reference to any specific place.



 I agree it is a metaphor for a life shared , a home after all and finally, but there's more work to be done in order for this to work out. In terms  of  themselves, before an undertaking such as this can succeed. Ennis can't be still thinking of Jack as "boys like you" and Jack cannot remain immune from compromise. This could have worked imo, but the difference between a home and a *happy* home  Jack and Ennis style,  is  the main daunting challenge.  At least they'd be together and time would heal all wounds and soothe all fears. Jack's dream come true, a ranch with Ennis , it's setting, a balance of Brokeback  in it's isolation and a reflection of their own individual  styles and as a couple.  Certainly very aware of the dangers ...but  :) :) Ennis's deer head trophys and Jack's rodeo belt buckles , side by side? now that's a life...... If only.... :cr) :c)
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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #124 on: May 14, 2008, 07:56 AM »
I agree it is a metaphor for a life shared , a home after all and finally, but there's more work to be done in order for this to work out. In terms  of  themselves, before an undertaking such as this can succeed. Ennis can't be still thinking of Jack as "boys like you" and Jack cannot remain immune from compromise. This could have worked imo, but the difference between a home and a *happy* home  Jack and Ennis style,  is  the main daunting challenge.  At least they'd be together and time would heal all wounds and soothe all fears. Jack's dream come true, a ranch with Ennis , it's setting, a balance of Brokeback  in it's isolation and a reflection of their own individual  styles and as a couple.  Certainly very aware of the dangers ...but  :) :) Ennis's deer head trophys and Jack's rodeo belt buckles , side by side? now that's a life...... If only.... :cr) :c)

And I think I did say this before: that the "ranch" was purely incidental.  It stood for what was essential: that they be together always -- and grow old in that love.   The difference between them becomes secondary to the fact that both wanted to be with each other.  But in the case of Ennis, what stopped him was his inability to see that they could be together and remain safe.  We don't question his desire to be with Jack, most certainly.  We question the dominance of fear over love.



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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #125 on: May 14, 2008, 09:36 PM »
And I think I did say this before: that the "ranch" was purely incidental.  It stood for what was essential: that they be together always -- and grow old in that love.   The difference between them becomes secondary to the fact that both wanted to be with each other.  But in the case of Ennis, what stopped him was his inability to see that they could be together and remain safe.  We don't question his desire to be with Jack, most certainly.  We question the dominance of fear over love.




 Your absolutly right as always. I love the way you said that the "dominance of fear"  shadowed them. Beautifully said.  Ennis's fear would have to be dealt with by Jack and by Ennis himself. Your right again. Being together is the main objective. Had Ennis found the courage, Fear would eventually hide it's face in the precence of a love this strong. As long as Ennis woke to Jack every morning , over a period of time, I believe fear would begin to take a back seat, and love , in it's purest form would emerge. Perhaps creating a life, side by side with Jack everyday, Ennis would eventually let it. Just, MO.
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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #126 on: May 15, 2008, 07:53 AM »
Your absolutly right as always. I love the way you said that the "dominance of fear"  shadowed them. Beautifully said.  Ennis's fear would have to be dealt with by Jack and by Ennis himself. Your right again. Being together is the main objective. Had Ennis found the courage, Fear would eventually hide it's face in the precence of a love this strong. As long as Ennis woke to Jack every morning , over a period of time, I believe fear would begin to take a back seat, and love , in it's purest form would emerge. Perhaps creating a life, side by side with Jack everyday, Ennis would eventually let it. Just, MO.

Thanks AF.  What is sad is that Ennis was willing to go by just a few brief meetings every year -- and it would seem that even the frequency of these meetings went down with the passing of time.    He didn't see what they could have had, and was too content to enjoy the bare minimum.  I agree, had he just let go and allowed more time with Jack, perhaps he would have realized how much he was losing because of those fears. 


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Re: What does having a ranch together mean to Jack? or Ennis?
« Reply #127 on: May 16, 2008, 06:49 PM »
Your absolutly right as always. I love the way you said that the "dominance of fear"  shadowed them. Beautifully said.  Ennis's fear would have to be dealt with by Jack and by Ennis himself. Your right again. Being together is the main objective. Had Ennis found the courage, Fear would eventually hide it's face in the precence of a love this strong. As long as Ennis woke to Jack every morning , over a period of time, I believe fear would begin to take a back seat, and love , in it's purest form would emerge. Perhaps creating a life, side by side with Jack everyday, Ennis would eventually let it. Just, MO.

Ennis loved Jack so deeply, but his fear kept him from living his life. He got to live in moments with Jack...but when he had the chance to live his life always with Jack, his fear killed his dreams. It kept him a prisoner in chains, and that's why it's so hard to take in the end, after Jack's death. When Ennis realized how his fear had been killing him inside, and that he should have just listened to his heart.