Author Topic: stray nail polish and other details - possible spoilers (Read 80791 times)

chameau · « **Reply #90 on:** Feb 06, 2006, 10:20 PM »

Your guess is a good of mine...

Good point by the way.

I'm sure now It's not a blooper.

Cowboy Cody · « **Reply #91 on:** Feb 06, 2006, 11:17 PM »

I did notice where the (whatever it was) was on Ennis face, then not, then again, then not, drove me nuts trying to concentrate on the words with that happening.

CherryCake · « **Reply #92 on:** Feb 07, 2006, 12:09 AM »

Quote from: romeshvr on Feb 06, 2006, 10:19 PM

ok. is that supposed to mean something...like blood on her hand?

It can be interpreted that way. It certaintly is something that makes you go hmmmmm

tpe · « **Reply #93 on:** Feb 26, 2006, 04:17 PM »

I just saw the movie again yesterday, and I could not help notice another haunting detail. I was wondering if anyone out there has also noticed that when Ennis enter's Jack's closet during the visit to Jack's room, you actually see three 'ghostly' finger stains on the door frame as Ennis enters the closet.

It is perhaps a trivial detail that was not planned, but the appearance of the finger markings on the closet door frame brought Jack's presence strongly to the fore in this scene (at least for me.)

Very haunting detail, IMO.

ethan · « **Reply #94 on:** Feb 26, 2006, 05:54 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Feb 26, 2006, 04:17 PM

I just saw the movie again yesterday, and I could not help notice another haunting detail. I was wondering if anyone out there has also noticed that when Ennis enter's Jack's closet during the visit to Jack's room, you actually see three 'ghostly' finger stains on the door frame as Ennis enters the closet.

It is perhaps a trivial detail that was not planned, but the appearance of the finger markings on the closet door frame brought Jack's presence strongly to the fore in this scene (at least for me.)

Very haunting detail, IMO.

tpe, hope your trip goes well. It is really haunting based on your description. Another reason to see BBM again. Thanks!

tpe · « **Reply #95 on:** Feb 26, 2006, 06:22 PM »

Quote from: ethan on Feb 26, 2006, 05:54 PM

tpe, hope your trip goes well. It is really haunting based on your description. Another reason to see BBM again. Thanks!

Hi ethan!

Nice to be back. The trip was great, but kept me away from the forum for too long!

I'll get back to my regular duties as quickly as I can.

ethan · « **Reply #96 on:** Feb 26, 2006, 06:25 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Feb 26, 2006, 06:22 PM

Hi ethan!

Nice to be back. The trip was great, but kept me away from the forum for too long! I'll get back to my regular duties as quickly as I can.

Welcome back. The forum missed you. :D

bnjmn3 · « **Reply #97 on:** Feb 26, 2006, 07:51 PM »

Looking out Jack's window, what is the symbol painted on the barn in Ennis's view?

romeshvr · « **Reply #98 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 12:31 AM »

Quote from: bnjmn3 on Feb 26, 2006, 07:51 PM

Looking out Jack's window, what is the symbol painted on the barn in Ennis's view?

There was an old car in the bard. The sing was the spare tire. At least that is what I saw... I think I saw.

jimmypage · « **Reply #99 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 04:20 AM »

Quote from: bnjmn3 on Feb 26, 2006, 07:51 PM

Looking out Jack's window, what is the symbol painted on the barn in Ennis's view?

I see a white star inside a circle.

Jürgen · « **Reply #100 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 11:30 AM »

I haven't seen much mentioned about Lureen's splotch of nail polish (only some notes in the "Lureen's teeth" thread). Having read all the comments in the thread "Oprah question: Did Lureen know", I missed the nail polish symbol. It's not only that everybody of the film team had this "Lureen did know for sure" attitude. Ang Lee gave us a subtle, but obvious visual hint of his point of view. Everything in Lureen's home was so perfectly arranged, but: There was this tiny little splotch of nail polish on her finger, in the color red. Certainly not the color of love in this scene, but the color of blood. She did know for sure, that Jack has been killed and had participated, although we'lll never know how. She was part of the system.

JT · « **Reply #101 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 12:53 PM »

Quote from: Jürgen on Jan 13, 2007, 11:30 AM

I haven't seen much mentioned about Lureen's splotch of nail polish (only some notes in the "Lureen's teeth" thread). Having read all the comments in the thread "Oprah question: Did Lureen know", I missed the nail polish symbol. It's not only that everybody of the film team had this "Lureen did know for sure" attitude. Ang Lee gave us a subtle, but obvious visual hint of his point of view. Everything in Lureen's home was so perfectly arranged, but: There was this tiny little splotch of nail polish on her finger, in the color red. Certainly not the color of love in this scene, but the color of blood. She did know for sure, that Jack has been killed and had participated, although we'lll never know how. She was part of the system.

Interesting thought. I did notice the blotch of red nail polish on her finger, but didn't know if there was any significance to it. Could it mean "blood stain on her hand"? I don't know either.

welshwitch · « **Reply #102 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 01:00 PM »

It has overtones of Lady Macbeth, who after inciting her husband to murder the king and seeing his blood-covered hands, said !A little water clears us of this dee," but at the end of the play when she sleepwalks is seen still trying to wash a spot of blood from her hand.

My feeling is that Lureen has some idea that Jack's death was murder, though she is a Southern lady in a place where men acted and women were often protected from the knowledge of what they had done. And as has been said, she is part of the system.

ethan · « **Reply #103 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 03:08 PM »

You may find the following thread interesting and related to this thread.

http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=1247.0

Stray nail polish and other details.

BBM Fan · « **Reply #104 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 08:48 PM »

Quote from: gjz24 on Jan 28, 2006, 03:32 PM

Anyone noticed that the clock on the desk in Jack's childhood room. The time stopped at 8:45. It remind me the song" a quarter to nine" it may just a coincidence. I love that song.

The clock: 8:45 - add up the numbers = 17. Also, Brokeback Mountain = 17 letters

BBM Fan · « **Reply #105 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 08:53 PM »

Quote from: Toadily on Jan 23, 2006, 03:05 PM

I never thought of where Ennis is at the end, interesting...I mean *do* they have oil fields in Wyoming?

Ennis' sis, "married a roughneck - moved to Casper (Wy.)" -

tpe · « **Reply #106 on:** Jan 16, 2007, 10:39 AM »

Quote from: ethan on Jan 13, 2007, 03:08 PM

You may find the following thread interesting and related to this thread.

http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=1247.0

Stray nail polish and other details.

Would there be any objection if I merge these 2 threads into one?

Jürgen · « **Reply #107 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 03:13 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Jan 16, 2007, 10:39 AM

Would there be any objection if I merge these 2 threads into one?

Sure, that makes sense.
Jürgen

Jürgen · « **Reply #108 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 03:23 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Jan 13, 2007, 01:00 PM

It has overtones of Lady Macbeth, who after inciting her husband to murder the king and seeing his blood-covered hands, said !A little water clears us of this dee," but at the end of the play when she sleepwalks is seen still trying to wash a spot of blood from her hand.

My feeling is that Lureen has some idea that Jack's death was murder, though she is a Southern lady in a place where men acted and women were often protected from the knowledge of what they had done. And as has been said, she is part of the system.

Wonderfull! I love your Macbeth analogy. My feeling is that Lureen made for herself an active decision not to know. That means: She knew it, of course, even the details, but she decided for herself not to know. That's a common way to manipulate yourself. It makes life so much easier.

Jürgen

aintfoolin · « **Reply #109 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 03:47 PM »

I got the feeling that Lureen knew alot more than she let on. This " explaination" from her to Ennis of Jack's death seemed so rehearsed to me that she could have had it written down in front of her. Jack traveled alot, and I'm sure he could change a tire without killing himself. She seemed arrogant and fake. The only redeeming value she had was telling Ennis to go to LF where he found the shirts. I'm sure she knew alot more and had "blood" on her hands because of it. And what's up with the "cotton candy" hair? I never cared for her that much anyway. My take.

tpe · « **Reply #110 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 03:50 PM »

Merging with another thread...

tpe · « **Reply #111 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 03:52 PM »

Merge successful.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #112 on:** Jan 17, 2007, 05:05 PM »

Excellent!

JT · « **Reply #113 on:** Jan 20, 2007, 02:37 PM »

Did anyone notice Heath's tatoo on his wrist during the reunion kiss scene?

stephan · « **Reply #114 on:** Jan 20, 2007, 02:41 PM »

Quote from: JT on Jan 20, 2007, 02:37 PM

Did anyone notice Heath's tatoo on his wrist during the reunion kiss scene?

No, I didn't notice, JT

Twisted · « **Reply #115 on:** Jan 21, 2007, 12:44 PM »

Quote from: JT on Jan 20, 2007, 02:37 PM

Did anyone notice Heath's tatoo on his wrist during the reunion kiss scene?

I did, and it shows also in the last meeting, when Ennis falls into Jack's arms.

JT · « **Reply #116 on:** Jan 21, 2007, 01:10 PM »

Quote from: stephan on Jan 20, 2007, 02:41 PM

No, I didn't notice, JT

His tatoo looks like a bracelet or a piece of twine tied around his wrist. If you don't pay close attention, you may think it's just a crease on his wrist. It's weird that some of the scenes, you don't see it. I wonder if the digitally remove some, or just block it with make-up.

Quote

I did, and it shows also in the last meeting, when Ennis falls into Jack's arms.

Good eyes, Twisted. I didn't notice that one. I'll watch it again. Maybe that scene was too moving that I pay more attantion to the boys interactions than anything else.

tpe · « **Reply #117 on:** Jan 22, 2007, 10:01 AM »

edgar · « **Reply #118 on:** Jan 28, 2007, 02:13 AM »

Quote from: JT on Jan 21, 2007, 01:10 PM

His tatoo looks like a bracelet or a piece of twine tied around his wrist. If you don't pay close attention, you may think it's just a crease on his wrist. It's weird that some of the scenes, you don't see it. I wonder if the digitally remove some, or just block it with make-up.

There is a special kind of makeup especially to cover tatoos.

I guess after three or four takes in a scene as .... friction-intense as the reunion scene, some of the makeup would come off.

tpe · « **Reply #119 on:** Jan 29, 2007, 09:59 AM »

Quote from: edgar on Jan 28, 2007, 02:13 AM

There is a special kind of makeup especially to cover tatoos.

I guess after three or four takes in a scene as .... friction-intense as the reunion scene, some of the makeup would come off.

Interesting. I don't know if a character such as Ennis would have sported tattoos. We have already noted in a previous post the heavily tattood lady who was at the dance floor with Cassi and Ennis during the double date with Alma Jr. It is not that tattoos are unknown or rare in Ennis's world; rather, I am not sure if it was in keeping with his subdued, unassuming character.