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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2070 on: Feb 16, 2008, 02:59 PM »
No need to have the goosebumps hon' where he is, he is in peace.  :ghug:
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2071 on: Feb 16, 2008, 03:03 PM »
No need to have the goosebumps hon' where he is, he is in peace.  :ghug:

Thank you Chameau, that is true.  ^f^
We know he is gone, but never too far away and now in peace from the world around us..
"The day I stop having fun, I'll just walk away." -- Heath Ledger

"For a moment in our lives, forever in our hearts." -- Heath Ledger, 1/22/08

"In the dark, I really felt like I could escape to anywhere.
To a place where anything could happen at any time.
Where chaos could reign but the world would never end."
-- Noah Mayer

As the World Turns -- April 2, 1956 - September 17, 2010

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2072 on: Feb 16, 2008, 03:10 PM »
Howdy Fellow Brokies...

Just under 5 hours till my visit with the boys.  Can't wait.  It's been a long time since I've seen the film. 

I was thinking of logging on to ennisjack.com, and posting a time sequence "log" of my viewing ... but, and I hope you'll forgive me ... I want to devote myself totally to my emotions and feelings, and to Ennis.

Wonder how I'll feel when Ennis gets the "DECEASED" postcard.

Well, that stings.

 :c) :\'(
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2073 on: Feb 16, 2008, 03:14 PM »
I keep having this thought, and it won't let go.

After I've seen Brokeback, a part of why I was so devastated was because I identified so much with Ennis and I felt this fear, to end up my life like him. I have a lot of things I regret in my life. I feel like I've missed out on a lot, and it was like Ennis was sending me a message, "don't live your life like this", only I was still too scared to do something about it. Maybe I just don't know how to change things, and I feel chained to the life I have.

And now, when I think of Heath... especially since I've read Barb's post, about how Heath has lived his life, and realised that he taught me the same lesson Ennis did, only from the opposite direction: This is how you should live your life. You have to enjoy it, otherwise there's no point. You have to love, passionately, and you have to do the things that make you happy - don't compromise, even if it involves hard choices. I feel like he's forcing me to take a look at my life - again - and I think, "you idiot, he's trying to make you see something. He's trying to deliver you this message in every way possible and you're just too coward to do anything about it".
The truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2074 on: Feb 16, 2008, 03:30 PM »
Thank you for sharing it LJN, this is beautiful. :\'(

I know what you mean about denial. My mind knows he's gone, my heart refuses to accept it. I don't believe in God or heaven or the afterlife, which probably makes it harder for me to find comfort. I keep thinking about his death, but what the mind understands, the heart doesn't. Sometimes I feel like he just decided to disappear, to hide somewhere so we can't see him, but he must be somewhere on this planet... he can't be gone. It can't be that he doesn't think anything anymore, doesn't feel anything anymore... that his mind and his heart don't work anymore. I'm not stupid, I know what death is, it's just too hard to accept. There is some open space between what I know and what I try to believe, but nothing can be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

 :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: I know this is going to sound wrong- but I am so glad I am not alone. I was starting to think that aside from a few people I chat with behind the scenes that I was one of the only ones left struggling with this. I don't want any one of us to be hurting so I'm not glad for that. I keep waiting for some breaking news that he did exactly what you said- just wanted to get away and he is still here. It is too hard to accept- impossible even. I have moments where I feel "okay" and then something triggers and I feel that punch in the gut and each time that punch hits, it's like finding out all over again. I have so many thoughts in my head about all of this but I can't write them all out- so they'll be coming in waves in the weeks/months to come.

And yeah we've got to stand it- how I don't know. I know there is nothing to fix it. Nothing that will ever make it "right" because everything is so wrong about this. I don't understand how this can be true. I just don't get it at all. I know there is no rhyme or reason to it all but this just can't be possible. I don't understand how this can be real. It makes no damn sense. I believe in a "heaven" and an "afterlife" but I don't know if I've ever truly defined what they are exactly to myself and I don't find much comfort in those things right now because to think of him up in heaven means that this is real and my mind just goes into complete shutdown when that thought enters in.

When I have my "okay" moments I think of what he gave to all of us. People bonded and formed real friendships because of his movies and who he was and that is an amazing thing for someone to bestow upon people-wether they intended to or not. So I try to keep with me that as long as everyone who has been blessed with this that he will live in each of us. Does that bring comfort? Not much, not yet. It's too soon for any real comfort, at least for me.

 :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: to you.
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2075 on: Feb 16, 2008, 03:34 PM »

Just a few minutes ago I was looking outside my living room window and saw a beautiful bird. I have no idea what kind but it was small, with a light brown and white-ish color. It was one I have never seen before, at least I don't think. I grabbed my camera and tried to focus in on it, only to find out that when I took it and looked back at the picture, the bird wasn't there. I zoomed in onto the picture and all I could see was this white smudge on the camera. I decided to take a few more, thinking it might have been a smudge from the window. I took 4 more, in the same position and there was no white mark again.
What does this mean? I have no idea. I don't believe in reincarnation but I do believe in spirits and signs. Was this a sign for me? Since I do not dream vivid dreams, was this a sign to tell me that Heath is at peace? I will never know, but all I know is now I have the goosebumps  :(

Don't question it, sweetie. I believe in signs, fate etc so it is very possible that it was a sign- you never know when, where or how they will manifest themselves.  :ghug:
“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one ~ Imagine- J. Lennon

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2076 on: Feb 16, 2008, 03:45 PM »

Just a few minutes ago I was looking outside my living room window and saw a beautiful bird. I have no idea what kind but it was small, with a light brown and white-ish color. It was one I have never seen before, at least I don't think. I grabbed my camera and tried to focus in on it, only to find out that when I took it and looked back at the picture, the bird wasn't there. I zoomed in onto the picture and all I could see was this white smudge on the camera. I decided to take a few more, thinking it might have been a smudge from the window. I took 4 more, in the same position and there was no white mark again.
What does this mean? I have no idea. I don't believe in reincarnation but I do believe in spirits and signs. Was this a sign for me? Since I do not dream vivid dreams, was this a sign to tell me that Heath is at peace? I will never know, but all I know is now I have the goosebumps  :(

It's entirely possible. It's up to you to decide if you want to open your mind enough to let the thoughts through. Before all of this started I really was a big skeptic, but now I see things differently. The sun was shining on the side of my face while I was driving yesterday and it made me smile. Normally, it'd just get on my nerves but I enjoyed it yesterday.

I mentioned my weird encounter with my printer a few days after it happened. Update on that: It's happened about 3 other times since then. Now I just laugh when it happens. I like it. One day last week my cable box went crazy. Just the one I was watching, not any of the others so I laughed again and it stopped. That same night, I was playing Nintendo Wii and I got up to get something to drink. When I came back, the game was playing itself. This is 100% truth, no lies at all. So again I laughed and said "Come on, I want to play too." And it stopped.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2077 on: Feb 16, 2008, 04:01 PM »

I was playing Nintendo Wii and I got up to get something to drink. When I came back, the game was playing itself. This is 100% truth, no lies at all. So again I laughed and said "Come on, I want to play too." And it stopped.


Ok, now that made me smile!!  ;D
"Heath, you can't play forever, you have to share"  ;)
"The day I stop having fun, I'll just walk away." -- Heath Ledger

"For a moment in our lives, forever in our hearts." -- Heath Ledger, 1/22/08

"In the dark, I really felt like I could escape to anywhere.
To a place where anything could happen at any time.
Where chaos could reign but the world would never end."
-- Noah Mayer

As the World Turns -- April 2, 1956 - September 17, 2010

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2078 on: Feb 16, 2008, 04:03 PM »
Don't question it, sweetie. I believe in signs, fate etc so it is very possible that it was a sign- you never know when, where or how they will manifest themselves.  :ghug:

I know what you mean. I've heard so much from all of you, telling of your dreams and your signs and I always wondered what my sign was. Maybe this was just a coucidence or maybe it was a true sign. All I know is that one, I'm saving the picture, and two, now I feel he really is at peace  #)
"The day I stop having fun, I'll just walk away." -- Heath Ledger

"For a moment in our lives, forever in our hearts." -- Heath Ledger, 1/22/08

"In the dark, I really felt like I could escape to anywhere.
To a place where anything could happen at any time.
Where chaos could reign but the world would never end."
-- Noah Mayer

As the World Turns -- April 2, 1956 - September 17, 2010

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2079 on: Feb 16, 2008, 04:06 PM »
Ok, now that made me smile!!  ;D
"Heath, you can't play forever, you have to share"  ;)

Exactly ;) You never know, so I always make sure to acknowledge it.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2080 on: Feb 16, 2008, 04:10 PM »
Exactly ;) You never know, so I always make sure to acknowledge it.

You should, I don't think usually games like that, if they malfununtion, actually PLAY itself  ;D
Unless you got a Heath virus ;)
"The day I stop having fun, I'll just walk away." -- Heath Ledger

"For a moment in our lives, forever in our hearts." -- Heath Ledger, 1/22/08

"In the dark, I really felt like I could escape to anywhere.
To a place where anything could happen at any time.
Where chaos could reign but the world would never end."
-- Noah Mayer

As the World Turns -- April 2, 1956 - September 17, 2010

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2081 on: Feb 16, 2008, 04:51 PM »
You should, I don't think usually games like that, if they malfununtion, actually PLAY itself  ;D
Unless you got a Heath virus ;)

I've been contemplating talking to my aunt about it. She's very much into spiritualism and things like that and has said to me on many occasions that I am an "Indigo Child." Maybe I should go see what all of this means since I've finally opened my mind to allow it.  :s)

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2082 on: Feb 16, 2008, 05:07 PM »
     Well, here's a strange thought.  If Heath had not been one of the actors who helped create BBM, would he have been....a Brokie?  The
answer, I think, is how you define "Brokie".  If you mean relentlessly holding on to that film,  I'd say---no.
    But, hey, now---look again at a broader definition of a Brokie.  We are waving the battle standard for tolerance.  That was Heath.  So many
are creative (look at the poetry section).  We like music enough to be constantly quoting lyrics---and Heath was mad for music.  We are said
to be over-emotional, and you need only remember his weeping all night after the abuse in Sydney, and his extreme sentiment for his little
daughter.  And as far as indifference to age (we are a wild mixture there), he kept as friends very nearly every age group, which is rare.
  So maybe it's not going too far to say, the characteristics of our little community were very similar to his,  and so, if we are a family, broadly
defined---yes, he was one of us.  Maybe we spotted that, dimly, and that's why the pain keeps on.  If you really look closely, where he
was different roughly coincides with where we differ from outsiders.
  He loved poetry, and would have fitted in with ayashae, Cynical21, Tpe and Lance, and Jessi and the gentleman from Vancouver.  He loved
photography, and he and Keren would have made a team, not to mention the other contributors in the photo section.  He loved sweetness,
so LD would have been high on his list.  As for the ladies, I kind of sort of think he would have chased after some of you.  And he always
accepted gays as friends.
  So, Carbyville, if your electronics are acting up, playfully---dunno.  LD, the bird you saw---dunno. But we ARE a small family, so, if anyone
would have loved US, it would have been Heath.
  The ONLY area we don't have in common is....skateboarding.  If Dirtbiker refuses, well, we could TRY Chameau, but am a little dubious, there.
Was Heath a Brokie?  Narrow definition--no.  Was he one of our small tribe?   You bet he was.  We lost one of our own.


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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2083 on: Feb 16, 2008, 06:28 PM »
keren-b

I don't know who, or where, you are.  What you've posted recently struck a chord (no musical pun intended) in me ... and I am compelled to respond.

Regret.  Gosh, I feel like my life is defined by it.  Choices I should have made but didn't; Choices I never made but wish I had. 

You'll notice that my "tag" is Ennis del Mar is my hero.  Ennis, as written by A. Proulx, and as breathed by H. Ledger, is a simple man.  There's been a lot of posting here regarding how complicated he is.  Yes, in some ways ... but aren't we all complicated to some degree?

I am complicated.

Ennis was simple.  He saw things in black and white.  He had high moral values.  He was a guardian to his own needs and desires.  He is my hero simply because he survived.  One of the most powerful scenes in the movie, for me at least, is Ennis del Mar standing at the fairgrounds with fireworks going off over his shoulder.  Wow!  Well, don't I fall in love with him every time I see THAT?!  Who wouldn't??

My great sadness is that he never actually got what he deserved.  Happiness.  He loved Jack, no doubt.  But he couldn't bring himself to say it.  Regret.  Ennis knew what love was.  Watch how he asks Alma, junior, if Curt loves her?  He ain't foolin'.

As Ang Lee told us the story of Ennis and Jack, we never know if Jack's death was caused by what that awful Lureen said, or if it was, in fact, murder.  I don't know myself.  It's as if Ennis felt Jack would always be alive - because Jack represented that hidden part of Ennis that would always be there.  It never occurs to Ennis that his sexuality might be something he either has to come to terms with or deny for ever.  Neither option seems available to him.  This is his regret.

Someday I'll have the courage to post my sequel short story here.  It starts with Ennis folding Alma's sweater and puting it in the closet with the shirts.  In many ways it's my story.  And, in my heart, it's Ennis' story too.  I want Ennis to have happiness, find true love, feel safe, have his life validated (it wasn't by Alma and that really hurt him - remember the Thanksgiving scene). 

I was in Wyoming last February.  I looked everywhere for Ennis ... well, not everywhere - I was only in Laramie, but still... I tried to look at every face.  Are you Ennis del Mar?

I'm rambling.  Sorry. 

In the end, I think regret is a sensitive, thoughtful, loving teacher.  He helps us remember things with a gentle nudge, a distant pain.  To deny regret in one's life is to give in to the notion that life happens twenty four hours at a time.  It doesn't.  Regret is my constant companion, my guide.

Ennis del Mar found a way to live through it and with it.  Because of him, so will I.  Ennis del Mar is my hero.

Never forget.

 :c) ^f^

Ennis Del Mar is my hero!

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2084 on: Feb 16, 2008, 06:45 PM »
Once again I'm in awe reading all of your posts, and so grateful that you're all here sharing your thoughts and feelings. :ghug:

I'm a big believer in signs and tend to take the position that however they're intended, I have the choice to interpret them as my instincts tell me to and that's what I do. I like the bird picture and Carby's electronic antics.  :)

Keren, big big hugs to you. You made a beautiful post and I don't think that you're a coward at all. Look at where you are now compared to two years ago. Is it the same or have you made some changes? Do you see the world the same way or is your heart more open? No one should be expected to make all of the important changes in their life overnight. I'm in a somewhat similar position where I know some of the things I need to do, but have been putting them off, for all the same reasons - being scared of the big changes, reluctant to make the hard choices, etc. For me, the time is now, and maybe Heath had something to do with that, I don't know. It's hard to ignore some of the messages he's sent us by his own example. But don't look at where you are as any kind of a shortcoming. As long as you're still open to the message, as long as you can still learn the lessons, you're heading in the right direction. And I am quite confident that you will get to where you want to be. I have faith enough for both of us. :ghug:

Tony, I don't know if he would have been a Brokie, under the strictest terms of the definition, either, but by bringing Ennis Del Mar to life and caring enough to do it so well, he automatically became a member of our family. You got that right. And our family will always be a little bit fuller for having had him in it, and a little bit smaller for having lost him.

LJN, hang in there. :^^) All we really have is time. How we feel is how we feel. And there's not much more we can do than let those feelings process as they need to. Meanwhile, I'm awfully glad we're all in this together. :ghug:
For a moment in our lives. Forever in our hearts.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2085 on: Feb 16, 2008, 06:48 PM »
guyinjax, I just saw your post.  :ghug: to you as well. I liked what you said here:

"In the end, I think regret is a sensitive, thoughtful, loving teacher.  He helps us remember things with a gentle nudge, a distant pain.  To deny regret in one's life is to give in to the notion that life happens twenty four hours at a time.  It doesn't.  Regret is my constant companion, my guide."

It allows us to put a positive spin on it because, after all, as long as we're still here, we always have a chance to learn from our regrets and make things better.
For a moment in our lives. Forever in our hearts.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2086 on: Feb 16, 2008, 08:17 PM »

Well, here's a strange thought.  If Heath had not been one of the actors who helped create BBM, would he have been....a Brokie?


We know that he probably most likey wouldn't be a Brokie but as you and FC has said, he does share a lot of similar characteristics that we Brokies all seem to posses.
What I always wondered and we might never know but it could've happen...did he ever visit our site?  :s)
We would never know...I came on this site and checked it out before I became a member. I was hesistant but once I joined, I was taken in by this loving family. So could he have been on the computer one day and been searching through some sites and stumble upon this site?? I will always wonder...

Regard to guyinjax, your post was amazing and so true. Ennis was something else and everytime I see the movie or read the Short story, I always am sad that he never got what he really wanted, to be with the man he loved. And that always hurts me the most. Sometimes I watch it and pray that the ending is different, that somehow Jack is just away, like how James Whitcomb Riley said in his poem that I found through this forum:

I cannot say, and I will not say
That he is dead. He is just away.
With a cheery smile, and a wave of the hand,
He has wandered into an unknown land


Ennis Del Mar is strong, and your right, he is a hero, that many sadley, do not see at 1st. Someone who is still pressing on, after death, divorce, and regret hit him hard. He will always be somewhere deep in my heart and I am glad, he has kept you strong and became your true hero. 
« Last Edit: Feb 16, 2008, 09:17 PM by lil_dwarf_611 »
"The day I stop having fun, I'll just walk away." -- Heath Ledger

"For a moment in our lives, forever in our hearts." -- Heath Ledger, 1/22/08

"In the dark, I really felt like I could escape to anywhere.
To a place where anything could happen at any time.
Where chaos could reign but the world would never end."
-- Noah Mayer

As the World Turns -- April 2, 1956 - September 17, 2010

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2087 on: Feb 16, 2008, 10:06 PM »
Hey Lil Dwarf 611

Thank you for your comments.  It means so much to have my "hero worship" validated. 

ENNIS, WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I HAD A CHOICE?

...

... moving on ...

I officially hate the following:
Willie Nelson
Rufus Wainwright
Ang Lee

... of course I don't...

I just finished watching our movie, Brokies.  I'm a wreck.  A total, snivelling, sniffing, sobbing wreck.

If you haven't seen our movie ... word of advice: it still hurts a lot.  I can hardly see my dumb computer screen.

I'm hoarse from yelling.

My eyes sting.

Honestly, for me, the fact that Heath Ledger has passed away didn't affect me as much as his portrayal of Ennis del Mar.  My God, the Adacemy got it so very wrong.  So sad that it's an uncorrectable mistake.  So wrong. 

A few random... very random thoughts (you all know how you feel after watching Brokeback Mountain):

I have never heard music that sounded more lonely.

Even when you know what's coming you are not prepared for it.

I honestly think that all of us who have been so profoundly moved and touched by this story will never get over it - we've all learned (or, in my case, still learning how) to live with it.

No bridge high enough from which to jump ...
No bus fast enough in front of which to stand ...

Long days, longer nights.

... damn.

 :\'(
Ennis Del Mar is my hero!

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2088 on: Feb 16, 2008, 10:13 PM »

Hey Lil Dwarf 611

Thank you for your comments.  It means so much to have my "hero worship" validated. 

ENNIS, WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I HAD A CHOICE?

...

... moving on ...

I officially hate the following:
Willie Nelson
Rufus Wainwright
Ang Lee

... of course I don't...

I just finished watching our movie, Brokies.  I'm a wreck.  A total, snivelling, sniffing, sobbing wreck.

If you haven't seen our movie ... word of advice: it still hurts a lot.  I can hardly see my dumb computer screen.

I'm hoarse from yelling.

My eyes sting.

Honestly, for me, the fact that Heath Ledger has passed away didn't affect me as much as his portrayal of Ennis del Mar.  My God, the Adacemy got it so very wrong.  So sad that it's an uncorrectable mistake.  So wrong. 

A few random... very random thoughts (you all know how you feel after watching Brokeback Mountain):

I have never heard music that sounded more lonely.

Even when you know what's coming you are not prepared for it.

I honestly think that all of us who have been so profoundly moved and touched by this story will never get over it - we've all learned (or, in my case, still learning how) to live with it.

No bridge high enough from which to jump ...
No bus fast enough in front of which to stand ...

Long days, longer nights.

... damn.

 :\'(



I know it's hard guyinjax but hang in there. I have yet to watch our movie, BBM, from beginning to end. It's hard, thinking that the ending won't change and we have lots our beloved maker of Ennis, Heath, has 'left the stage'. Yes you are right, we are strong people, and we have been able to live with this, no matter how hard it may be. We are Brokies of course, thats what we do  :ghug:


"The day I stop having fun, I'll just walk away." -- Heath Ledger

"For a moment in our lives, forever in our hearts." -- Heath Ledger, 1/22/08

"In the dark, I really felt like I could escape to anywhere.
To a place where anything could happen at any time.
Where chaos could reign but the world would never end."
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2089 on: Feb 16, 2008, 11:07 PM »
I just finished watching our movie, Brokies.  I'm a wreck.  A total, snivelling, sniffing, sobbing wreck.

If you haven't seen our movie ... word of advice: it still hurts a lot.  I can hardly see my dumb computer screen.

I'm hoarse from yelling.

My eyes sting.

Honestly, for me, the fact that Heath Ledger has passed away didn't affect me as much as his portrayal of Ennis del Mar.  My God, the Adacemy got it so very wrong.  So sad that it's an uncorrectable mistake.  So wrong. 

A few random... very random thoughts (you all know how you feel after watching Brokeback Mountain):

I have never heard music that sounded more lonely.

Even when you know what's coming you are not prepared for it.

I honestly think that all of us who have been so profoundly moved and touched by this story will never get over it - we've all learned (or, in my case, still learning how) to live with it.

No bridge high enough from which to jump ...
No bus fast enough in front of which to stand ...

Long days, longer nights.

... damn.

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guyinjax  :ghug:

I watched our movie too... for the nth time... Unlike you it was a peaceful, relaxing experience.  Don't get me wrong, I had the usual tears but now... I feel relaxed.  I just appreciated this gift Heath gave to us... he gave us Ennis, period.  Don't be scared to watch Brokeback Mountain, it's OK to cry at such beauty but don't be scared.  Watching this movie and others with Heath is the best tribute to his memory we could do, he gave a lot... our tears are a little payment back to his talent and dedication, huh? 

Don't get me wrong, I cried, I cry, I will cry again  :\'(  :\'( :\'(

I'm just out of words to say thank you to my best cowboy ever.
La dictature c'est ''ferme ta geule'', la démocratie c'est ''cause toujours''
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2090 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:51 AM »
Thank you for sharing it LJN, this is beautiful. :\'(

I know what you mean about denial. My mind knows he's gone, my heart refuses to accept it. I don't believe in God or heaven or the afterlife, which probably makes it harder for me to find comfort. I keep thinking about his death, but what the mind understands, the heart doesn't. Sometimes I feel like he just decided to disappear, to hide somewhere so we can't see him, but he must be somewhere on this planet... he can't be gone. It can't be that he doesn't think anything anymore, doesn't feel anything anymore... that his mind and his heart don't work anymore. I'm not stupid, I know what death is, it's just too hard to accept. There is some open space between what I know and what I try to believe, but nothing can be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

 :\'(   :\'(

I do accept it, heart and all.  I think I've had enough devastating death close to me, and I am after all rather a realist.  But pain, heartbreak, grief, suffering, loss...those I feel acutely.

I don't mean heaven or anything, but I do believe in spirit life, that there is so much more than we can normally be aware of, whether we are here in this apparent world, or not here.  So somehow, in the big picture, this is as it is.  But for us mere mortals, we are left to deal with such a loss...

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2091 on: Feb 17, 2008, 12:54 AM »

Just a few minutes ago I was looking outside my living room window and saw a beautiful bird. I have no idea what kind but it was small, with a light brown and white-ish color. It was one I have never seen before, at least I don't think. I grabbed my camera and tried to focus in on it, only to find out that when I took it and looked back at the picture, the bird wasn't there. I zoomed in onto the picture and all I could see was this white smudge on the camera. I decided to take a few more, thinking it might have been a smudge from the window. I took 4 more, in the same position and there was no white mark again.
What does this mean? I have no idea. I don't believe in reincarnation but I do believe in spirits and signs. Was this a sign for me? Since I do not dream vivid dreams, was this a sign to tell me that Heath is at peace? I will never know, but all I know is now I have the goosebumps  :(

Certainly anything like this, if it speaks to you, especially with goosebumps, then that it what it means.  I love this happenstance -- bird, or Heath, or whatever.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2092 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:01 AM »
I keep having this thought, and it won't let go.

After I've seen Brokeback, a part of why I was so devastated was because I identified so much with Ennis and I felt this fear, to end up my life like him. I have a lot of things I regret in my life. I feel like I've missed out on a lot, and it was like Ennis was sending me a message, "don't live your life like this", only I was still too scared to do something about it. Maybe I just don't know how to change things, and I feel chained to the life I have.

And now, when I think of Heath... especially since I've read Barb's post, about how Heath has lived his life, and realised that he taught me the same lesson Ennis did, only from the opposite direction: This is how you should live your life. You have to enjoy it, otherwise there's no point. You have to love, passionately, and you have to do the things that make you happy - don't compromise, even if it involves hard choices. I feel like he's forcing me to take a look at my life - again - and I think, "you idiot, he's trying to make you see something. He's trying to deliver you this message in every way possible and you're just too coward to do anything about it".

This is so beautiful, Keren.  First Ennis, then Heath.  Maybe you'll get it this time!  Maybe we'll all get it, if we haven't yet acted upon what we have learned.  And yes, Barb pointing out what a vibrant liver Heath was really touched me, too.  And he had a good balance between when to do and when not to do.  (To everything, turn, turn, turn...  A time to every purpose...)  To do what he was doing with gusto, but not worrying about when he wasn't doing "work."  Very zen, he was extremely happy making breakfast for his girls, as much as when in his intense film-character mode.

This just popped into my head and I hope no one thinks it's disrespectful, but the Klingons say, "Today is a good day to die."

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2093 on: Feb 17, 2008, 01:04 AM »
I've been contemplating talking to my aunt about it. She's very much into spiritualism and things like that and has said to me on many occasions that I am an "Indigo Child." Maybe I should go see what all of this means since I've finally opened my mind to allow it.  :s)

I'm glad you brought this up, carbyville, the "Indigo Child" thing.  Was Heath an Indigo Child?  I haven't followed up too much from when I first read in some depth about this, but it seems it certainly could be that he was one of the very special ones...

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2094 on: Feb 17, 2008, 02:03 AM »
It never ceases to amaze me when I read all the posts here, the amount of creative, sensitive, perceptive talent in this forum.

Tony, you ask the most interesting of questions: would Heath have been a brokie if he didn't portrayed the role of Ennis.

Keren_b, your view of Heath and Ennis as two sides of the same coin, how to and how not to live life without regrets.

GuyinJax, your statements, that "regret is a sensitive, thoughtful, loving teacher.  He helps us remember things with a gentle nudge, a distant pain.  To deny regret in one's life is to give in to the notion that life happens twenty four hours at a time.  It doesn't.  Regret is my constant companion, my guide." is wisdom distilled from experience.

To answer Tony's question, I dare speculate that Heath would be definitely a brokie because he would connect with the story, just as he connected with Adam Sutton, and Ennis Del Mar. He would understand the pain of regret, the pain of love unexpressed. And I disagree, Tony, that Heath would not be obsessed with Brokeback Mountain, like us. He has that passion about him, like his passion for Drake's music. When you are this connected, there is no arguing. Heath would love the movie as much as we do. All his movies has the theme of the individual struggling against all odds, society, circumstance, himself, to express love. Brokeback Mountain was Heath's destiny, and if he didn't take part in it, he would be forever a part of us. Born of their love, Bound by ours, including Heath's.

For Keren_b, I have only this to say: fast or slow, Jake would love the direction you are going. Do not worry how fast you can change your old habits. The fact is, you have decided to change, that is the first step. Once you pick up speed, and momentum, nothing can stop you. I have faith in you.  :ghug:

Guyinjax, I understand what you feel, and I have also watched Brokeback Mountain again, feeling the same pain in the last few scenes. The pain was not just for Ennis, and myself, but now, also for Heath. For I see not only Ennis on the screeen, as I used to do before that tragic day. I now see also Heath on the screen with Ennis, and the tears are for him, too...for his not being around to play another role, to show his skills as director, to sing another lullaby to Matilda, to ...  :\'( BUT I also feel the same peace, when Heath/Ennis touch the two shirts, and brush his thumb along the postcard of Brokeback Mountain, and say to Jack, I swear. Because, now it is not only Ennis saying it to Jack, but also I, saying it to Heath. The road may be long and lonely ahead, but there is bittersweet remembrance, and hope for the future, and MOST OF ALL, there is friendship, and family, not only in this forum, but also in real life.  Each and every regret is a gentle nudge, a distant pain, that reminds me to seize the day, and not let another opportunity goes to waste, to say and express how I feel, to not be afraid.

I never cared much for formality, so the Academy Awards were interesting to watch, but not that life-shatteringly important. The fact that they did not give Heath the Best Actor Award that year, said more about them, than him. His work speaks for itself. Their action will always be questioned by future generations. How they attempt to correct this, will be interesting to watch as well. For me, it is but a minor footnote in Heath's life. His awards are more than just the tangible ones.

To everyone who contributed to this amazing thread...In Loving Memory, you are ALL amazing.

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And most of all,

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Heath, you are loved, like this, always.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2095 on: Feb 17, 2008, 03:44 AM »
I'm glad you brought this up, carbyville, the "Indigo Child" thing.  Was Heath an Indigo Child?  I haven't followed up too much from when I first read in some depth about this, but it seems it certainly could be that he was one of the very special ones...

kathy

It's totally possible. From what I've been reading he seems to fit the descriptions.

One of the reasons I was (am?) so drawn to Heath is because I felt like I could relate to him and that I understood him and things he did even if I had never met him. A few months ago I was bored, messing around online and came across some stuff about numerology. Turns out, Heath and I have both the same Life Path Number (7) and Soul Urge Number (4). If there's any truth to numerology, that might be why I always felt like I understood/related to his personality.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2096 on: Feb 17, 2008, 09:26 AM »
My favorite song for you dear brokies in memory if him  ^f^

It could be like this, always like this....
Sometimes I miss you so much, I can't understand it.

As you get old you begin to wonder-
what was all that lightning and thunder
actually about ? (Gavin Ewart)

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2097 on: Feb 17, 2008, 10:18 AM »
guyinjax

Never apologize for rambling - what you wrote was beautiful.  :ghug:
The truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2098 on: Feb 17, 2008, 10:23 AM »
Quote from: keren_b link=, topic=12653.msg687705#msg687705 date=1203261534
guyinjax

Never apologize for rambling - what you wrote was beautiful.  :ghug:

 :h) Keren, hope you begin to feel much better... :s) :^^)
It could be like this, always like this....
Sometimes I miss you so much, I can't understand it.

As you get old you begin to wonder-
what was all that lightning and thunder
actually about ? (Gavin Ewart)

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2099 on: Feb 17, 2008, 10:36 AM »
What I always wondered and we might never know but it could've happen...did he ever visit our site?  :s)
We would never know...I came on this site and checked it out before I became a member. I was hesistant but once I joined, I was taken in by this loving family. So could he have been on the computer one day and been searching through some sites and stumble upon this site?? I will always wonder...

Well, actually... yes, he did.

Funny how I never thought about it until now, but Heath sent a message to all of us.

After the movie Candy was released, Heath's friend Theresa (who ran Heath Ledger Central and was also a member here) opened a website called "addicted to the movie Candy", and did a lot to promote the movie and it's distribution because it was a low-budget movie with limited release. Anyway, some members here were active on her site, and apparently, one day when Heath was visiting Theresa, she told him about people's involvement and he took the time to write personal thanks to some of the people here. Theresa had also introduced him to ennisjack.

I saw the post that he sent to one of my friends. I can't share his full message here since it wasn't sent to me personally, it's up to the members whom he addressed if they wanna share it. But this part, I believe, is for all of us:

I also wanted to tell you how nice it is to see a Brokeback Mountain site like ennisjack. T took me there earlier today and I was really pleasantly surprised to see something so different from the rest. It's a very cool place and you should be very proud of it.

He signed his message with -

Be well and happy

Peace
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