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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2340 on: Feb 25, 2008, 12:49 PM »
That's just the problem, huh? We can't fix it and we can't stand it. :\'( :\'( Will this pain ever go away?

I'm sorry to bring you down guys, I'll go.

dont go, you are not bringing us down we are all sad for heaths dath i think all that can be done is to wait time has away of healing the heart we will never forget and it will never be right but it will get easier some day im sure of it.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2341 on: Feb 25, 2008, 01:05 PM »
Well said zankou. And it can hurt like hell to get to that point, but I do believe it's there for all of us. And Keren, if it takes a little longer for you, then that's the amount of time your heart needs to heal. Meanwhile, though none of us have the magic words to ease that pain, we can share our hugs and our love and support, and stick together until everyone makes it through to the other side. :ghug:
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2342 on: Feb 25, 2008, 01:13 PM »
I'm kind of in a catch 22 situation, in a way. While my world isn't consumed with BBM anymore, I can still read fics (and do) and, I feel even more for Ennis now, which I didn't think was possible. I think I've mentioned before how finding out about Heath almost instantly made me think and relate to Ennis getting that postcard.

Sometimes now I'll sit around and think about how I thought it was sad before what became of Ennis and how he had to live the rest of his life without Jack, and now I know what Ennis felt like after Jack passed away and I understand him even more and I am even sadder for him. Whether we had met Heath or not the fact remains that we all cared about him like we had, and while the pain isn't crippling as it was those first couple of weeks, it is still hard when you face the facts.

I have decided that I will be getting a tattoo for him sometime in the next few months. Remember his "Sun, Earth, Moon" tattoo he had on his upper arm/shoulder? I am going to get that and perhaps the quote "I'll miss all the things you'll never do." All of my tattoos mark a time in my life where I've changed, so there is no way I can let this go without acknowledging it.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2343 on: Feb 25, 2008, 01:37 PM »
I just can't stand it anymore...  :\'( :\'( :\'(

Keren I understand, I felt that way before and I took a walk, It didn't help much I cried almost the hole time. I was trying to think about something else but I couldn't........ :\'(
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2344 on: Feb 25, 2008, 02:06 PM »
The countdown is underway...

What will the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have to say about Heath Ledger?
How will the AMPAS honor Mr. Ledger's amazing talent, and the vacuum caused by his death?
How will the AMPAS acknowledge Mr. Ledger's definitive performance as Ennis del Mar in Brokeback Mountain?
... a posthumously presented BEST ACTOR award is the only possible correction...

... these are the questions for which I await answers.


Score Card:
Memorial:
Honor:
Brokeback:

Be well, all....  I'm so proud to part of this family.

S in FreakShow (Jacksonville) Florida





Scorecard:
memorial: D- ... at least his image showed up during the annual Memorial Tribute.

honor: F ... Jon Stewart? Please!  ... he only did one decent thing last night in allowing the girl to come back to the stage to give the most moving speech of the evening.  Did they honor Heath Ledger?  Of course not.  They should have, honestly.  When it was announced that Nicole Kidman was going to give a special honor - my eyes filled instanly "they're going to do something."  And then they didn't.

brokeback: D ... the photo they used of Heath Ledger was as Ennis del Mar.  They mentioned Brokeback Mountain when they showed Ang Lee accepting the award for best director in 2006.

Gosh, I'm still so sad... and yet, glad ... glad that we have each other to lean on, a place to rant and rave, a place to feel safe.  Our little out of the way place ... our very own Brokeback Mountain ... right here.

So, keren_b, you go right on posting what ever you need to.  All of you write what your heart tells you to.  Open your mind to the reality that we are all here!
Ennis Del Mar is my hero!

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2345 on: Feb 25, 2008, 02:16 PM »
Please forgive me for posting this two places, and please feel free to move it. I wrote this before reading any comments on last night's award show.  I rarely watch the thing, but I do know a little about about the industry.  As i said, I don't enjoy the Oscars, never have, but I do realize it is a celebration for many people, the awards.  'Hollywood' has been shaken by heath's death.  Anyway my next post is a poem responding to pain and Hollywood trying to say goodbye to one of their finest.  One of their greatest losses.  and again, mods, feel free to delete, it's at the poem's thread.

jessi
I'm like one tiny insignificant star,
where your wonder shines on.
 
No thunder, not a storm
just rain, soft as tears wetting a cheek,
wiped with the ground. Mountain, heart stomped,
moans.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2346 on: Feb 25, 2008, 02:56 PM »
This is one of these days when the pain is too much... I just spent the last hour crying like crazy. My heart is broken because of him and I feel that something is definitely wrong with me because I can't get over it. I feel now like I did when I first found out. Please tell me this is just a nightmare.

Oh Keren... :ghug:
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2347 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:00 PM »
That's just the problem, huh? We can't fix it and we can't stand it. :\'( :\'( Will this pain ever go away?

I'm sorry to bring you down guys, I'll go.

Keren and everyone....  :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: :ghug:  :ghug: :ghug: :ghug:
Danny and me, Danny and me,  Danny and me and the sea,
Bobbing out of Pleasure Bay, the islands on our lee;
Spectacle, Georges, Gallops, the sun-wash on the brine
Castle Island where Skovo danced a bear-dance in bear-time.
The Golden Boy has chosen, I know what I will be
Danny and me, seanchai, Danny and me and the sea.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2348 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:06 PM »
some times when im sad like now i go and see the sheep, its kind off a thing ive done since watchinng BBM it makes me even sadder but is some how soothing. today i wont bother nothing can get me out of my sadness i just have to do my best to go on.  im glad when im on this forum i can show all sides of me i can be hear sad over heath or in the jake section drooling over jake pictures. im just glad that this place is hear it truely is like a second home to me and all you guys probably agree we are all just like family but instead of being bound by blood we are bound by the love that jack and ennis showed us, the love heath worked so hard to promote and the love that will stop us from going over board in times like this.
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sorry if i rambled a bit.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2349 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:10 PM »
There have been so many thoughts running through my head and I don’t know if my mind stopped going long enough to capture them all. I guess I'm having one of those clarity type moments- I hate this ping ponging back and forth between being "okay" and destroyed. This will probably be yet another inane ramble as I try to figure it all out. I was thinking back to my first BBM viewing- 1/20/06. That viewing was all Ennis- I had him on my mind 24/7  and wept for him and all that was lost. The second viewing was all Jack and all subsequent ones belonged to both of them. Anyway, two years later and that numb, raw, stunned feeling came back but much worse.

I know there is a light at the end of the tunnel but I’m not even sure if I've arrived at the tunnel. I know deep down inside he'd want us to move on and not be sad. It seems brazen I guess to assert that kind of authority over his thoughts, but I know I wouldn’t want anyone who cared for me to be so sad. He didn't give this to us for us to let go of. I keep thinking that out of the sadness from BBM so much good came from it in the form of family and friends found here. There's a part of me that is "scared" to go back to normal because what is normal now? Whatever comes next will have an undercurrent of sadness to it; maybe not right at the surface but it will be there. I/we just have to find our way to some form of acceptance and keep him in that safe place in our hearts so we'll never forget him or truly lose him.

All of this here is a gift. It is one of his legacies. All of us being friends and sharing the way we do is such a tribute to him and it makes me feel good that I was a part of that while he was still alive and will continue to be a part of it in his memory. I believe in my heart that he is looking down upon us smiling at all that he accomplished without ever meaning to.

To borrow from “Latter Days”: Sometimes it all still feels like a mass of dots. But more and more these days, I feel like we're all connected. And it's beautiful... and funny... and good I don't know the "good reason" Heath was taken from us. I suppose in the grand scheme of things there is one- not that it'd bring an ounce of comfort if I did know. I’m trying to shift my focus more on the fact that while he was here he gave us all of this and we accepted his gift. I know we have lived it with grace and appreciation and will do it even more so. He lived long enough and made the choice to take on Ennis and in turn, all of those dots (us) connected.

There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can’t fix it you’ve got to stand it. I know there's no way to fix it and trying to stand it has been proving almost impossible. I don't think I will ever truly accept that “our boy” is gone. But I think I need to start accepting "the rest". I’ve read references to the two shirts, the postcard and feeling how Ennis felt when he received it and I echo and understand those sentiments completely. Is moving forward from this our version of the two shirts? Or were they something we had all along? I think that we are down now; still on the ground not quite sure how to get up. But when we do, we will cling harder to this movie because of what it means, what it gave us. This movie is our two shirts in a sense- all we have left and even though we may look at it alone in the quiet it makes us feel closer. Right? Something unexpected, sad, yet comforting.  I’m not sure But what I do know is that they stand for so many things: loss, regret but most of all love. And even though that person is no longer there to fill that shirt it doesn't negate his existence or all that came before. They aren't hanging there empty; they have a story to tell. And where Brokeback ended we began and there is so much left to be said.

I keep thinking about how fleeting it all really is. You can stop and admire a beautiful flower: enjoy its scent, admire its beautiful colors but you leave it where it is- its beauty is not meant for the enjoyment of one but rather for all who stop and take the time to truly look at it. But it won’t always be there; it doesn’t last, nor is it meant to. Eventually its petals will be scattered to the winds. But the beauty it gave and the memory of it are something that can never be lost.

Now I’m going to borrow from LOTR- The Two Towers:

Sam: (crying) I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here, but we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end, because how could the end be happy. How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened?
Sam: (voiceover) But in the end, it’s only a passing thing. This shadow, even darkness must pass.

Sam: A new day will come, and when the sun shines it’ll shine out the clearer. Those are the stories that stayed with you, that meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now, folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t. They kept going, because they were holding onto something.

I think we will one day find solace in this film again and see it as visiting with some old, very good, very special friends. And we’ll return as close as we can to "normal" to laugh and play again in those mountain fields, splash in the stream, drink and laugh by the fire. Because all of that is so worth holding onto.



“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2350 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:13 PM »


When all has been said,
what could be said,
never enough, words not,
not much,
tears and chokes
gasps, nothing enough,
not near,
no hugs or flowers or
sunset goodbyes,
loss far too great...
but when it's been given
all we've got
he's in our vision, acutely in our heart
stop the world,
a minute,
with an image,
seared painfully
burning moving picture,
timeless, never enough, now always
a moment,
quiet, stark pin drop
silence
when it seems all has been said
breaths are held,
cries swallowed
hearts broken
our moment of silence
all we have, our best.
Our goodbye.

jessi
2-25-08

I'm like one tiny insignificant star,
where your wonder shines on.
 
No thunder, not a storm
just rain, soft as tears wetting a cheek,
wiped with the ground. Mountain, heart stomped,
moans.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2351 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:15 PM »
There have been so many thoughts running through my head and I don’t know if my mind stopped going long enough to capture them all. I guess I'm having one of those clarity type moments- I hate this ping ponging back and forth between being "okay" and destroyed. This will probably be yet another inane ramble as I try to figure it all out. I was thinking back to my first BBM viewing- 1/20/06. That viewing was all Ennis- I had him on my mind 24/7  and wept for him and all that was lost. The second viewing was all Jack and all subsequent ones belonged to both of them. Anyway, two years later and that numb, raw, stunned feeling came back but much worse.

I know there is a light at the end of the tunnel but I’m not even sure if I've arrived at the tunnel. I know deep down inside he'd want us to move on and not be sad. It seems brazen I guess to assert that kind of authority over his thoughts, but I know I wouldn’t want anyone who cared for me to be so sad. He didn't give this to us for us to let go of. I keep thinking that out of the sadness from BBM so much good came from it in the form of family and friends found here. There's a part of me that is "scared" to go back to normal because what is normal now? Whatever comes next will have an undercurrent of sadness to it; maybe not right at the surface but it will be there. I/we just have to find our way to some form of acceptance and keep him in that safe place in our hearts so we'll never forget him or truly lose him.

All of this here is a gift. It is one of his legacies. All of us being friends and sharing the way we do is such a tribute to him and it makes me feel good that I was a part of that while he was still alive and will continue to be a part of it in his memory. I believe in my heart that he is looking down upon us smiling at all that he accomplished without ever meaning to.

To borrow from “Latter Days”: Sometimes it all still feels like a mass of dots. But more and more these days, I feel like we're all connected. And it's beautiful... and funny... and good I don't know the "good reason" Heath was taken from us. I suppose in the grand scheme of things there is one- not that it'd bring an ounce of comfort if I did know. I’m trying to shift my focus more on the fact that while he was here he gave us all of this and we accepted his gift. I know we have lived it with grace and appreciation and will do it even more so. He lived long enough and made the choice to take on Ennis and in turn, all of those dots (us) connected.

There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can’t fix it you’ve got to stand it. I know there's no way to fix it and trying to stand it has been proving almost impossible. I don't think I will ever truly accept that “our boy” is gone. But I think I need to start accepting "the rest". I’ve read references to the two shirts, the postcard and feeling how Ennis felt when he received it and I echo and understand those sentiments completely. Is moving forward from this our version of the two shirts? Or were they something we had all along? I think that we are down now; still on the ground not quite sure how to get up. But when we do, we will cling harder to this movie because of what it means, what it gave us. This movie is our two shirts in a sense- all we have left and even though we may look at it alone in the quiet it makes us feel closer. Right? Something unexpected, sad, yet comforting.  I’m not sure But what I do know is that they stand for so many things: loss, regret but most of all love. And even though that person is no longer there to fill that shirt it doesn't negate his existence or all that came before. They aren't hanging there empty; they have a story to tell. And where Brokeback ended we began and there is so much left to be said.

I keep thinking about how fleeting it all really is. You can stop and admire a beautiful flower: enjoy its scent, admire its beautiful colors but you leave it where it is- its beauty is not meant for the enjoyment of one but rather for all who stop and take the time to truly look at it. But it won’t always be there; it doesn’t last, nor is it meant to. Eventually its petals will be scattered to the winds. But the beauty it gave and the memory of it are something that can never be lost.

Now I’m going to borrow from LOTR- The Two Towers:

Sam: (crying) I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here, but we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end, because how could the end be happy. How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened?
Sam: (voiceover) But in the end, it’s only a passing thing. This shadow, even darkness must pass.

Sam: A new day will come, and when the sun shines it’ll shine out the clearer. Those are the stories that stayed with you, that meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now, folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t. They kept going, because they were holding onto something.

I think we will one day find solace in this film again and see it as visiting with some old, very good, very special friends. And we’ll return as close as we can to "normal" to laugh and play again in those mountain fields, splash in the stream, drink and laugh by the fire. Because all of that is so worth holding onto.








When all has been said,
what could be said,
never enough, words not,
not much,
tears and chokes
gasps, nothing enough,
not near,
no hugs or flowers or
sunset goodbyes,
loss far too great...
but when it's been given
all we've got
he's in our vision, acutely in our heart
stop the world,
a minute,
with an image,
seared painfully
burning moving picture,
timeless, never enough, now always
a moment,
quiet, stark pin drop
silence
when it seems all has been said
breaths are held,
cries swallowed
hearts broken
our moment of silence
all we have, our best.
Our goodbye.

jessi
2-25-08



beautiful posts both of you :(
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2352 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:43 PM »
Michelle and Kristin - I hardly know what to say. Your posts have upset me so much - thinking about you both feeling this is the end of something. Maybe it's because for me, it's had the opposite effect: I watched BBM again and it felt almost like the first time. Then, I was discovering something - someone - new, Heath's incredibly portrayal capturing my heart completely, making me thirst for knowledge of him and search for others who felt the same way about an amazing actor and an incredible movie. Now I find that I'm clinging on even more strongly because that's it - Brokeback is the connection to the man and that will never be broken, despite his passing. I want to discuss the movie more than I have for months, I want to look at photos because they keep him alive in my mind and heart and I want to read fics because I still see Heath when I read about Ennis.

I know we're all different...but I wish there was something I could do or say to help you come back to us. I don't want to lose this community, and it breaks my heart to think of some of us coming down the mountain early :\'(

I totally agree with you. I watched Brokeback Mountain when i felt ready again (for ages i knew if i watched it id just cry cry cry! :\'( )and it at times made me smile, at times i felt sad, it took me on the same emotional rollarcoaster it always has, i went back to Brokeback. I saw my boys again and felt their love and emotions more than i ever have felt them and i saw Heath living on in my heart and soul, always doing so as he and the other actors do too, who made this masterpiece for us to treasure forever and they will always be with us :^^) It does feel different now because of his passing and it still hurts, but he will live on through the films he made for us.  #)
I agree we're all different and i understand why some feel like they wont be able to feel the same about BBM now but i hope everyone stays around and eventually, again, can feel the love in the film, smile, cry, celebrate, write, paint, talk, watch, whatever you do that this film inspires you to do...its what Heath would have wanted. <^(

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2353 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:50 PM »
I totally agree with you. I watched Brokeback Mountain when i felt ready again (for ages i knew if i watched it id just cry cry cry! :\'( )and it at times made me smile, at times i felt sad, it took me on the same emotional rollarcoaster it always has, i went back to Brokeback. I saw my boys again and felt their love and emotions more than i ever have felt them and i saw Heath living on in my heart and soul, always doing so as he and the other actors do too, who made this masterpiece for us to treasure forever and they will always be with us :^^) It does feel different now because of his passing and it still hurts, but he will live on through the films he made for us.  #)
I agree we're all different and i understand why some feel like they wont be able to feel the same about BBM now but i hope everyone stays around and eventually, again, can feel the love in the film, smile, cry, celebrate, write, paint, talk, watch, whatever you do that this film inspires you to do...its what Heath would have wanted. <^(

beautiful is all i can say about your post cowgirl.

you all have such away with words were i put a few lines that are barely strung together you put huge poetic posts that really involve eberyone well done

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2354 on: Feb 25, 2008, 04:00 PM »
This is one of these days when the pain is too much... I just spent the last hour crying like crazy. My heart is broken because of him and I feel that something is definitely wrong with me because I can't get over it. I feel now like I did when I first found out. Please tell me this is just a nightmare.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2355 on: Feb 25, 2008, 04:05 PM »
OMG. What can I say? I've never seen such beautiful words from such beautiful people, expressing so many feelings from sorrow to love.

Michelle, Kristin, my heart aches for you, and for all of us that are still struggling with how to fit this reality and our feelings about it into our hearts and minds as we go forward.

Tammy, such encouragement from someone who has had so much trouble processing her own grief is just incredible to me.

Lindsey and Keren, your love and support, well, I'm just blown away.

And to all of you who have posted such supportive, loving, and understanding things, with words that I could never have conjured up, I'm humbled.

What strikes me the most is the environment that allows us to share such raw and difficult emotions, and the amazing safety net of the responses that have been posted, which tells me more than anything that we truly are a family. And a really unique and special family on top of it. And that is so worth holding onto. Our family, the boys that inspired us to come here and open ourselves up like that, the men who brought them to life and gave them to us in such a gracious and inspiring way - these are all worth fighting for, and they are all part of Heath's legacy.

So please don't go down the mountain. As Tammy said, crawl into that old tent, cry for as long as you need to, don't feel like you have to swim in the river or tend to the fire. Just take care of you. And when you're ready, there will always be a warm fire to light your way, and a comfortable place to rest your head. Because, like Jack in his infinite patience, we can wait as long as it takes for your heart to find its way back.



Oh flwrchild, that is just so beautiful, and what amazing words, I'm stunned by them. I have been overwhelmed by the beautiful and heartbreaking posts here over the last few days....to everyone here  :ghug:

I wish I could offer some magic words, some healing power to make us all feel okay again, but only time can do that, and time is measured differently for everyone.  In one way, I don't want to stop grieving, because I worry - does that mean that I won't love Heath the way I used to anymore?  Will I forget his face, his smile, his laugh? But then I know that that is not the way it should be - as much as it hurts, a time will come when the grieving will stop.  Like luvjacknasty said, I will never really accept that our boy has gone from us, but I will begin to deal with it.  Being here is, for me, one of the ways I am able to deal with it. If I didn't have this place, didn't have all of you, I'd be in a worse place than I am already.  Just being here, just knowing that all of you feel the same, helps.  But I know there is no magic wand to make us all feel okay again.  

But I do feel glad that this magical place is here for us all to help us deal with the fact that we wish there was a magic wand to make all this pain and hurt and sadness to go away.  
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2356 on: Feb 25, 2008, 05:33 PM »
 
But I do feel glad that this magical place is here for us all to help us deal with the fact that we wish there was a magic wand to make all this pain and hurt and sadness to go away.  


Beautiful Christie. I feel the same way. :ghug:
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2357 on: Feb 25, 2008, 05:36 PM »

Beautiful Christie. I feel the same way. :ghug:

ditto

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2358 on: Feb 25, 2008, 05:47 PM »
Thank you so much for many posts which have made me in tears. I am probably the one described by Tammy as "crawling into that old tent and crying as hard as I can." I am not good at expressing my emotion but many of you took the words out of my mouth. Your wisdom and comfort mean a lot of me and I know for others. They have helped me grieve and come out the lurking to offer my two cents.

Let me quote this paragraph from Baby Tammy which I think is just brilliant and a true Brokie spirit that captures so well of what we got here and what Brokeback Mountain taught us. Ennis and Jack have never left their mountain. If BBM really taught me anything - just like Ennis, let's put a number on the mailbox and be ready for the world again.

So please give yourself time, put your things in a box if you want, hide yourself in an old tent in the most dark place of the mountain, cry rivers ‘cause you need it, but never, never, never come down off the mountain, ‘cause Ennis and Jack taught us not to make the same mistake as them, ‘cause Heath deserve more than that, sweetie. They were so brave, Jack with all those damn broken dreams, Ennis with a life full of regret in from of him, and Heath, so tired, so sick, but so in love with life, wanting go on, wanting to life in that mountain made of dreams and love the rest of his life. Now it’s our turn to be brave, to stand for everything we love. You can’t leave behind the thing that made you understand your previous life (remember that letter to Annie?), the treasure that cured you heart like no other medicine did. Like Heath, you deserve more than that.

I don't have the words like many of you do but I know I feel your pain and sorrow. I just wish I can just hug you each, especially LJN, Carby and Keren.  :ghug:

Is there a deadline for grief?
Does it last longer because we love more?
Or it ends faster because we don't love the way we used to?

In fact, it is not so.
Grief never ends. It is all because time tricks us.
It is temporarily stored somewhere deeply in our heart.
All of the sudden, it hits us right back full swing.

We are deeply hurt by our sorrow and loss. It is a human nature and all we can do is to accept the facts.
At the same time, what we have lost the most has transcended to the memories that remain in our heart forever. It is cruel but eternally beautiful. 

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All of us love you more than you believe. I can’t stand the idea of you being so shattered. You know when people die, they keep leaving in the hearts of those who loved them, so if you keep living with a smile in your face, Heath keeps smiling too. You recognize love in the facts of those who love, so don’t let the pain and sadness speaks in the name of your love for Heath, ‘cause love, true love is stronger than death, and all the love Heath gave when he was alive never will dies, and that is a thing to celebrate, not a thing to hide in a box with every beautiful thing that made you smile just once month ago. Michelle, let’s bury that beloved body, but please let’s save all the beauty and all those marvelous things he gave us to treasure in our hearts. BBM was one of them, the most precious thing. In time, I know, that old cold time in the mountain will cure your soul, ‘cause one day, long time ago, that same mountain cured millions of hearts, when all that people thought they were alone with they suffering in the world.
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2359 on: Feb 25, 2008, 06:00 PM »
Thank you so much for many posts which have made me in tears. I am probably the one described by Tammy as "crawling into that old tent and crying as hard as I can." I am not good at expressing my emotion but many of you took the words out of my mouth. Your wisdom and comfort mean a lot of me and I know for others. They have helped me grieve and come out the lurking to offer my two cents.

Let me quote this paragraph from Baby Tammy which I think is just brilliant and a true Brokie spirit that captures so well of what we got here and what Brokeback Mountain taught us. Ennis and Jack have never left their mountain. If BBM really taught me anything - just like Ennis, let's put a number on the mailbox and be ready for the world again.

I don't have the words like many of you do but I know I feel your pain and sorrow. I just wish I can just hug you each, especially LJN, Carby and Keren.  :ghug:

Is there a deadline for grief?
Does it last longer because we love more?
Or it ends faster because we don't love the way we used to?

In fact, it is not so.
Grief never ends. It is all because time tricks us.
It is temporarily stored somewhere deeply in our heart.
All of the sudden, it hits us right back full swing.

We are deeply hurt by our sorrow and loss. It is a human nature and all we can do is to accept the facts.
At the same time, what we have lost the most has transcended to the memories that remain in our heart forever. It is cruel but eternally beautiful. 


you say you dont have words like other people but thats not true, your words are just as inspiring as anyothers ive heard here. your piece about grief is amazing and so true.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2360 on: Feb 25, 2008, 06:41 PM »
:h) welcome to the board. On here you will find such love, warmth and support and a general sense of togetherness of our love for BBM the film that caught our hearts attention, and of course now Heaths untimely passing. :\'(  Your post was lovely and yes "theres a new star up in heaven"  #)  Thankyou for sharing your feelings with us, how you have been effected. It still is so hard to take in and i know exactly how you are feeling and what you mean in your post as will everyone else on the board. Hope you enjoy this site as much as i have so far.  ^f^

Hello Cowgirl! :)
I know you all understand me  :ghug: that's why I wrote you. I found so beautiful messages about Heath here  <^( lovely and touching!  :\'(
Because I'm completely crazy about BBM, I think this is the right place for me.  ;)
Thank you  :t) Megalyn08
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2361 on: Feb 25, 2008, 06:56 PM »
im going to try my hardest to compress my feelings for heath into one messages and actually try and make it worth posting here i cant promise this will happen though.

well where to start. first of all im glad all of you amazing people are here for me to share my thoughts with it means alot to me you guys are here to speak to. i was just wanting to say for all we are grieving for heath with good reason his shocking and un-timely death has shuck us all to our cors and im sad to say has even caused certain members to feel they cannot stay here now and that it doesnt feel the same :(. i feel grief is a neccesary in times like this what kind off people would be if we just tried to forget i know i will never stop grieving for heath nor would i want to grief should never dissapear it would be a crime against heath to forget.
    i truely beleive heath lives on in the people he met or other wise affected by films interviews etc. it is extreamly important to me we honour heaths memorie and never try or wish to forget.
heath tought me love is extreamly important no matter what form it is a friendly love or an admiration of one teachings and it is important for me to stand up for what i beleive in. with out heath i would most deffinatly be a different person the way he accted and the things he said tought me so much about hummanity and yes i grieve for him just as we all do, but im sure we will meet him again after we to have left this life and when we do i would not like to be the person who tried to forget him.

heath is the gone this is true but only when we forget about him will he be truely gone thats why i refuse to do this.

sorry for rambling its probably non-sense i have a problem when im wrighting from the heart i dont listen to the head much thanks for listening.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2362 on: Feb 25, 2008, 07:47 PM »

 i know i will never stop grieving for heath nor would i want to grief should never dissapear it would be a crime against heath to forget.
    i truely beleive heath lives on in the people he met or other wise affected by films interviews etc. it is extreamly important to me we honour heaths memorie and never try or wish to forget.
heath tought me love is extreamly important no matter what form it is a friendly love or an admiration of one teachings and it is important for me to stand up for what i beleive in. with out heath i would most deffinatly be a different person the way he accted and the things he said tought me so much about hummanity and yes i grieve for him just as we all do, but im sure we will meet him again after we to have left this life and when we do i would not like to be the person who tried to forget him.

heath is the gone this is true but only when we forget about him will he be truely gone thats why i refuse to do this.

sorry for rambling its probably non-sense i have a problem when im wrighting from the heart i dont listen to the head much thanks for listening.

Beautiful post, Zankou!  :\'(  :\'(
I understand what you mean, and I agree. Yes, things are different now that he's gone, but there's no reason to forget him. I haven't any intention of doing it. Of course he will be alive until  one single person will remember him. The terrible pain for his loss can't wipe out all the emotions he gave us. We have to remember his face, his eyes, his smile, his messages, his characters, in a word the part of his life he shared with us. It's our way to say: "Thank you for all, see you later, cowboy." Miss him doesn't mean close him out of our hearts. Do we really want to live like he had never crossed our own path? I don't want this, it's too late, he's engraved on my heart.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2363 on: Feb 25, 2008, 07:54 PM »
Beautiful post Megalyn.  :ghug:
Thank you so much, LuvJackNasty.  :ghug: Megalyn08
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2364 on: Feb 25, 2008, 08:31 PM »
:ghug: Megalyn08  :ghug: many others have already praised your post. I am a little late. There have been so many wonderful posts

 Heath spoke to us emotionally, and emotionally we responded to him as family.

 it is better to have loved and lost, than to never love at all. I have been play one of my favorite songs from Garth Brooks for this very reason, to remind myself what Heath stood for all his life, to live life to the fullest without regrets. Here is the song's lyrics:

"Standing Outside The Fire"

We call them cool
Those hearts that have no scars to show
The ones that never do let go
And risk the tables being turned

We call them fools
Who have to dance within the flame
Who chance the sorrow and the shame
That always comes with getting burned


But you've got to be tough when consumed by desire
'Cause it's not enough just to stand outside the fire

We call them strong
Those who can face this world alone
Who seem to get by on their own
Those who will never take the fall

We call them weak
Who are unable to resist
The slightest chance love might exist
And for that forsake it all

They're so hell-bent on giving, walking a wire
Convinced it's not living if you stand outside the fire

Standing outside the fire
Standing outside the fire
Life is not tried, it is merely survived
If you're standing outside the fire

There's this love that is burning
Deep in my soul
Constantly yearning to get out of control
Wanting to fly higher and higher
I can't abide
Standing outside the fire


Standing outside the fire
Standing outside the fire
Life is not tried, it is merely survived
If you're standing outside the fire

Standing outside the fire
Standing outside the fire
Life is not tried, it is merely survived
If you're standing outside the fire

Hello Lance!  :h)
As you can see I'm a little late too, so don't worry.  O0 You're right, there are so many beautiful and touching posts about Heath, and your post is one of them.
Thank you for the song, it made me think.  :t)
In my opinion, life is always worth living, and is worth living inside the fire. That's the way of not wasting it. This is particularly true talking about love: yes, you can hurt yourself, even seriously, but your heart will sure be filled with warmth, memories, voices, hugs, smiles.....I am absolutely sure it worth the risk. Every scar in your heart means you have loved, and every time you loved, your heart become bigger and you become a better person. What more do you want?  :)

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2365 on: Feb 25, 2008, 08:41 PM »
I also am at a loss of what to do now.  I came to BBM late, in December of 2006, so I missed the whole first year. Yet from the moment I first saw it, BBM has become the focus of my life, mostly through my writing and in my thoughts. I have not met any Brokies, but it has always been in my mind.

For me, BBM was about Ennis finally realizing his mistakes, and what I dreamed of was for Ennis to go on in his life in a meaningful way. Ennis shared so many of my thoughts and feelings, and I guess I always thought that if there was hope for Ennis, then there was hope for me to have the life that had always just been in my dreams.

Also, I always felt that Heath was Ennis, and shared his pain. That comforted me too somehow.  But now it hurts so bad to think of how Heath really felt, but of course we don’t really know.

But now, I don’t know how to think about BBM anymore, or really any of it at all. I still think about Heath all the time, and I am still getting very sad. I haven’t watched BBM again, I don’t know when I can, I am too scared to in a way.

I don’t know how to move on from thinking about Heath, and even though I still have been writing, I don’t know what BBM means to me anymore.  To me Heath is Ennis, and Ennis is Heath, and with Heath gone, then Ennis is also in many ways.

I just don’t really know how to find the hope in BBM anymore, so I really just don’t know.  I am still thinking about BBM, but I am afraid none of this can never be the same anymore. I wish it could, but I just don’t think it can.

I hope it is okay that I am posting this here, but I guess I just had to get these thoughts out and this seemed like a good place to do so

M. (Cameron)

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2366 on: Feb 25, 2008, 09:37 PM »
Hello Brokies..

The posts I've seen recently, I can't describe the beauty, the comfort, yet sadness in everybody that has now given me goosebumps. I've also gone through a rough day..A girl, a couple of days ago (Feb. 22) got killed in a car crash from a man under the influence of drugs. What many of the kids in my school didn't know is she was one of our students. I couldn't believe it! She was ONLY 14 years old!! It made me stop, dead in my tracts. How could this happen to her? I never knew her, maybe saw her in the hallway, but never spoke a word to her, and yet I feel the pain and wish I could give something back. Soon, I started to think about Heath, how he was taken away from us, yes, he was older than her, much older, but he was still young. People still shouldn't die in their 20s and defiantly shouldn't be taken away from us at 14! These two people didn't deserve to die, both had so much going for them. But why? Maybe it was their time to go, that god meant for these two people to go beyond the sunshine, I will never truly know. But today, made me think how short life really is and how a person you didn't even know (both of them) could make you feel SO much pain. "Why do the good die young?" - God only knows... I'm sorry I don't have much else to say, my mind is just, blank..So I say, good night to all and the sweetest dreams  :^^)

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Heath Ledger 1979-2008 
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"For a moment in our lives, forever in our hearts." -- Heath Ledger, 1/22/08

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To a place where anything could happen at any time.
Where chaos could reign but the world would never end."
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2367 on: Feb 25, 2008, 09:49 PM »
I also am at a loss of what to do now.  I came to BBM late, in December of 2006, so I missed the whole first year. Yet from the moment I first saw it, BBM has become the focus of my life, mostly through my writing and in my thoughts. I have not met any Brokies, but it has always been in my mind.

For me, BBM was about Ennis finally realizing his mistakes, and what I dreamed of was for Ennis to go on in his life in a meaningful way. Ennis shared so many of my thoughts and feelings, and I guess I always thought that if there was hope for Ennis, then there was hope for me to have the life that had always just been in my dreams.

Also, I always felt that Heath was Ennis, and shared his pain. That comforted me too somehow.  But now it hurts so bad to think of how Heath really felt, but of course we don’t really know.

But now, I don’t know how to think about BBM anymore, or really any of it at all. I still think about Heath all the time, and I am still getting very sad. I haven’t watched BBM again, I don’t know when I can, I am too scared to in a way.

I don’t know how to move on from thinking about Heath, and even though I still have been writing, I don’t know what BBM means to me anymore.  To me Heath is Ennis, and Ennis is Heath, and with Heath gone, then Ennis is also in many ways.

I just don’t really know how to find the hope in BBM anymore, so I really just don’t know.  I am still thinking about BBM, but I am afraid none of this can never be the same anymore. I wish it could, but I just don’t think it can.

I hope it is okay that I am posting this here, but I guess I just had to get these thoughts out and this seemed like a good place to do so

M. (Cameron)


Hi Cameron and welcome. This is the place to post your thoughts  :ghug:

You said you're still writing- maybe that holds the key for you- to write, even if it doesn't feel the same or whatever. Maybe one day it will all click back. I wish I had better words or "advice". But feel free to share here as often as you wish.  :ghug: :ghug:
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2368 on: Feb 25, 2008, 09:50 PM »
Oh Lis, I'm so sorry to hear that. :ghug:

You've given them both some beautiful words in a lovely send off. Perhaps they'll meet there beyond the sunshine. :\'(  <^(

n.h, of course this is where you should voice your thoughts, and this is why we're all here. :^^)

megalyn, so good to have you here too. ^f^


It's been a very teary day, some of it from sadness, much of it from the awe of reading all the beautiful things pouring out of all the beautiful souls here. It's just a little overwhelming on my heart. Thank you, everyone, for sharing. :ghug:
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #2369 on: Feb 25, 2008, 09:52 PM »
This is a very difficult thread for me to read. I am sorry all. But you have posted some truely remarkable things here.
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken darken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.