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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #510 on: Jan 23, 2008, 12:59 PM »
pierralex, that was beautifully said. :^^)


Paola, come and join in the group hug here. :ghug: There are many in RL that don't understand, but everyone here does.
For a moment in our lives. Forever in our hearts.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #511 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:01 PM »
Friends, it does not matter to me whether or not Heath died due to an intentional overdose, or whether or not he had drug problems.

My brother had serious drug problems for years -- don't think that I ever stopped loving him because of it.

The same with Heath.  I don't care what the autopsy says or what causes are unearthed in the coming days.

Even without the autopsy, even without final facts as to cause of death or personal problems, I know I love him and his work. 

Let this be your anchor, and not anything else that he may or may not have done.


Aww, that's it exactly. And that's all we need to hold onto right now. Thank you. <^(


Hang in there Tony. We'll all get through it together. :^^)
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #512 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:02 PM »
Friends, it does not matter to me whether or not Heath died due to an intentional overdose, or whether or not he had drug problems.

My brother had serious drug problems for years -- don't think that I ever stopped loving him because of it.

The same with Heath.  I don't care what the autopsy says or what causes are unearthed in the coming days.

Even without the autopsy, even without final facts as to cause of death or personal problems, I know I love him and his work. 

Let this be your anchor, and not anything else that he may or may not have done.



Well said, Thomas. Nothing changes my feelings for him. Nothing.  :ghug:

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #513 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:09 PM »
Tammy sweetie, we don't know anything. Please don't upset yourself with these thoughts right now. I hate to see you so upset. Let's just be together and wait for the answers as they come in. I give you my love and as many of these  :ghug:  :ghug:  :ghug: as you can hang onto. :^^)

Friends, it does not matter to me whether or not Heath died due to an intentional overdose, or whether or not he had drug problems.

My brother had serious drug problems for years -- don't think that I ever stopped loving him because of it.

The same with Heath.  I don't care what the autopsy says or what causes are unearthed in the coming days.

Even without the autopsy, even without final facts as to cause of death or personal problems, I know I love him and his work.  

Let this be your anchor, and not anything else that he may or may not have done.



Thank you so much Barb!! You have a big heart. And Thomas, if there were drugs or not, it was never going to change my feelings!!
But Barb, Thomas, I can't help suffer and being worried 'cause what if I was messing 'round his pix saying stupid things like he was so hot and hell and while he had problems, he was so sad and broken? What about it, huh? I'll feel like the most superficial and disgusting person in the whole world, saying dumbass things about him and his beauty when he was suffering so bad.... :\'(  :\'( My poor baby....
Don't you see it? I need to know that he was not in pain, that he died in peace!!!

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #514 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:09 PM »
Aww, that's it exactly. And that's all we need to hold onto right now. Thank you. <^(


Hang in there Tony. We'll all get through it together. :^^)

Exactly  I will remember him as the fine actor and human being he was.   

Aren't we at the stage these days when it just doesn't ... matter? It's a story of love and it's a story between two people. If people can't get over that and just accept it as a story, then that's their problem. I'm big enough and brave enough to do it. - Heath Ledger on doing BBM

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« Reply #515 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:13 PM »
But Barb, Thomas, I can't help suffer and being worried 'cause what if I was messing 'round his pix saying stupid things like he was so hot and hell and while he had problems, he was so sad and broken? What about it, huh? I'll feel like the most superficial and disgusting person in the whole world, saying dumbass things about him and his beauty when he was suffering so bad.... :\'(  :\'( My poor baby....
Don't you see it? I need to know that he was not in pain, that he died in peace!!!

We said those things because we did honestly adore him.  Adoration takes on many levels, some of them superficial.   But it doesn't change the way we really feel inside.

If there is a possible tragedy here, perhaps it was Heath never fully realized how much he was loved.  Or even if he did have an inkling, perhaps he didn't draw strength from it.


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« Reply #516 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:14 PM »
I don't believe that death is an ending.  That our loved ones live on, certainly within our hearts.

I wanted to share this poem by Dylan Thomas with you all.


And Death Shall Have No Dominion
     
     And death shall have no dominion.
Dead mean naked they shall be one
With the man in the wind and the west moon;
When their bones are picked clean and the clen bones gone,
They shall have stars at elbow and foot;
Though they go mad they shall be sane,
Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again;
Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.

And death shall have no dominion.
Under the windings of the sea
They lying long shall not die windily;
Twisting on racks when sinews give way,
Strapped to a wheel, yet they shall not break;
Faith in their hands shall snap in two,
And the unicorn evils run them through;
Split all ends up they shan't crack;
And death shall have no dominion.

And death shall have no dominion.
No more may gulls cry at their ears
Or waves break loud on the seashores;
Where blew a flower may a flower no more
Lift its head to the blows of the rain;
Through they be mad and dead as nails,
Heads of the characters hammer through daisies;
Break in the sun till the sun breaks down,
And death shall have no dominion.

Dylan Thomas
Aren't we at the stage these days when it just doesn't ... matter? It's a story of love and it's a story between two people. If people can't get over that and just accept it as a story, then that's their problem. I'm big enough and brave enough to do it. - Heath Ledger on doing BBM

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #517 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:14 PM »
Heath, you will be sorely missed! Thanks for using your incredibly talented skills to portray such compelling and real characters! I will miss your presence, and all that could have been :\'( There aren't enough of these smileyfaces to represent my feelings.
Thanks to everyone here for showing me that others also will truly miss our "Ennis Delmar" :c)
And thanks Ethan for those cards. It comforts some to know someone else can demonstrate our love.
Right now, I'll just go back to remembering, dreaming and crying.
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #518 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:27 PM »



From: http://www.slate.com/id/2182669/nav/tap3/

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10 Things I Loved About Heath Ledger
What made him irreplaceable.
By Dana Stevens
Posted Wednesday, Jan. 23, 2008, at 1:09 PM ET


Heath Ledger in Brokeback Mountain

Obituaries—especially obituaries for the young, beautiful, and unexpectedly dead—are a hopeless genre to write. The deadline is, by definition, past, and you know you've already been scooped countless times. So rather than research a tribute to Heath Ledger by watching the ghoulish three-minute-long video of Ledger's body being wheeled out on a gurney, or clicking through photos of his 2-year-old daughter (just three months older than mine), I stayed up most of the night watching and re-watching a few of his movies. I wanted to understand, without resorting to gushy and imprecise phrases like "most promising actor of his generation," the particular quality he had that will be missing from movies now. There are plenty of promising actors in his generation, but there's no one who can do that Heath Ledger thing. What was it, exactly?

For one thing, there was the novelty of a guy that effortlessly good-looking—who in his or her right mind wouldn't want to get next to Heath Ledger?—gravitating to eccentric, even flamboyant, character roles. In Lords of Dogtown (2005) Ledger plays not one of the blond skate rats but Skip Engblom, the middle-aged and perpetually drunk surf-shop owner who coaches the skateboarding team to greatness. This scruffy, inspirational sports picture, a fictionalized remake of the skateboarding documentary Dogtown and Z-Boys, can barely contain Ledger's gonzo performance. He's fresh from Val Kilmer College, comically unhinged and unprecedentedly ugly. Late in the movie, after the Z-Boys skate their way to juicy endorsement deals and desert Skip one by one, he hurls surfboards off the roof of his store in a self-destructive rage, then sprawls on the roof's edge, guzzling from a bottle of whiskey while the crowd below gasps for fear he'll throw himself off. Hard to watch on the night he presumably died of an overdose? A little bit.

Then again, so was the sheerly goofy scene from the 1999 romantic comedy 10 Things I Hate About You, in which a 19-year-old Ledger belts out "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" to Julia Stiles over the school PA system during soccer practice. This is Ledger in straight-up teen-heartthrob mode—throwing paintballs, going to the prom—but, once again, he doesn't quite fit in the movie. It's not that he's ill at ease in the role, quite the contrary. His graceful physicality and loose-limbed charm point up the artificiality of the whole proceedings and make the rest of the actors look stiffly conventional. Like Brando and James Dean—actors to whom he's no doubt now being compared, and whom he was clearly referencing as the tormented movie star in I'm Not There—Ledger was an actor whose sheer physical charisma seemed at times to jut out from the surface of his movies.

But then there's Brokeback Mountain, a movie in which Ledger belongs so completely that, in the end, the movie belongs to him. That's not to discount Jake Gyllenhaal's fine performance as the volatile, openly needy Jack Twist. But it's the recalcitrance of Ennis Del Mar, Ledger's more deeply closeted cowboy, that drives the story forward. Brokeback Mountain isn't just about the impossibility of two men loving each other; it's about the impossibility of anyone loving this particular man. Not only Jack Twist, but Ennis' wife (Michelle Williams, who fell in love with Ledger during the filming) and a dime-a-dance bar girl (Linda Cardellini) all hack away unsuccessfully at Ennis' shell. I remember, when Brokeback came out, two friends telling me separately that the flinty, secretly tender, intermittently rageful Ennis reminded them painfully of their own shut-down fathers. An impressive achievement for an actor who was 26 at the time.

I'm Not There, last year's addiction drama Candy, and the tantalizingly creepy trailer for this summer's The Dark Knight all suggest that Ledger was learning to choose roles that took advantage of that peculiar quality he had of seeming at once larger than life and inwardly focused. In the years to come, I'm sure there'll be movies that make audiences think, damn, Heath Ledger could have nailed that role. So I won't opine on how sad it is that a gifted young man, someone's father and someone's son, lost his life at the threshold of a great career. I'll just say that the movies themselves will miss Heath Ledger.


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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #519 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:28 PM »
Thank you so much Barb!! You have a big heart. And Thomas, if there were drugs or not, it was never going to change my feelings!!
But Barb, Thomas, I can't help suffer and being worried 'cause what if I was messing 'round his pix saying stupid things like he was so hot and hell and while he had problems, he was so sad and broken? What about it, huh? I'll feel like the most superficial and disgusting person in the whole world, saying dumbass things about him and his beauty when he was suffering so bad.... :\'(  :\'( My poor baby....
Don't you see it? I need to know that he was not in pain, that he died in peace!!!

In my heart, I believe this is true. :ghug:

And as Thomas says, adoration takes on many levels. All of your silliness was a part of your affection and admiration of Heath and that can only be a good thing. :^^)
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #520 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:31 PM »
   BabyTammy, don't ever think you were superficial for loving those photos.  I used to kid you about them, but I loved them, too.  It's just that
I saw  several that didn't look right, and the news has firmed up---he was exhausted and couldn't sleep, and that's probably what I saw, although
I did worry it ran deeper.  As far as anything "bad" about him, whatever was the cause of death (and it is important that we know- it is our right),
there could never be anything "bad" there.  He was human, and he was never known to be spiteful or harsh and so, therefore, they will never
find anything of that kind.
  Tpe, my mind is not working well, but if you said you hoped he knew, at least a little, how much he was loved, am sure he did.  But the worst
tragedy, yes, would be if he didn't, or could not bring himself to believe it was for himself, not as a celebrity.  It's still that 24 hour mark that has
me up against a wall.  The news reports  said he was in a coma, or unconscious, around 3 P.M., and died soon after that. After that 24 hours
has passed, for me, it's like there's no turning back, and he's really gone.

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« Reply #521 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:32 PM »
I think I'm so broken 'cause for me Heath will be Ennis Del Mar forever. I've cried rivers for Jack during the last two years, but in a very strange way I feel that today I'm crying not only for Heath but also for Ennis. It was horrible, a true nightmare to have Jack dead, but now is painfully unbearable to have Ennis too. Where is then hope? BBM always gave me hope, letting me know that always it is possible to change and have a better life. But now, I just cannot separate the movie and Heath. I don't think it is possible to feel that message anymore now at all. I don't know how it will be possible to find hope in BBM knowing that Heath is gone.

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« Reply #522 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:37 PM »
Dear Brokies, my hugs are not enough but your words give comfort. Thank you for stopping by and expressing your thoughts. Together we will be strong.

 :ghug: :ghug: :ghug:

I am going to Broome Street in a few hours and pay respect to Heath with flowers, a button and a card from the forum



On the card, I wrote

"Dear Heath, anything interesting up in the heaven? We miss you."

I know you all will be with me.  :\'( :ghug: :ghug:

Thank you Ethan.  :ghug:
Danny and me, Danny and me,  Danny and me and the sea,
Bobbing out of Pleasure Bay, the islands on our lee;
Spectacle, Georges, Gallops, the sun-wash on the brine
Castle Island where Skovo danced a bear-dance in bear-time.
The Golden Boy has chosen, I know what I will be
Danny and me, seanchai, Danny and me and the sea.

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #523 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:39 PM »
Too young to leave us ... hope heaven brings him the relief he looked for  :(

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« Reply #524 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:41 PM »
Baby Tammy, I understand completely where you're coming from.  I too feel as though we have lost both Heath and Ennis.  There are no words to describe the grief I am still feeling today.
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« Reply #525 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:41 PM »
And tonight, I think a part of each of us here died with him...



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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #526 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:43 PM »
There are so many pages to read through - does anyone know if Jake has made a comment?

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« Reply #527 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:46 PM »
Tony ,Thomas and Barb, thank you so much!! I love you. But I'm still feeling so bad.....

Tony and Barb, you know both some little things about my story, about my aunt and so. She died so alone. Heath too, and my heart doesn't stand to think about that utterly sad way of die. Alone. And when I thought about my aunt I used to wonder if she had been scared, if she had been cold, and then pain was just too much. Now I feel the same, I wonder if he was cold, if he was scared, if he felt something....and I just wanted myself to be there, holding his hands, I don't know what the hell......, helping, or saying something sweet or just hugging him. I don't want people to die alone. No more dusty roads, no more dark rooms....
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« Reply #528 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:47 PM »


Ethan sent me this picture on my cellphone, he just took it front of Heath's flat :\'(
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« Reply #529 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:48 PM »
 :\'( :\'( :\'( I hope many more will come to show how much he was loved
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« Reply #530 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:49 PM »
thank you cham for bringing it  to us...  :ghug:
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« Reply #531 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:49 PM »
I think I'm so broken 'cause for me Heath will be Ennis Del Mar forever. I've cried rivers for Jack during the last two years, but in a very strange way I feel that today I'm crying not only for Heath but also for Ennis. It was horrible, a true nightmare to have Jack dead, but now is painfully unbearable to have Ennis too. Where is then hope? BBM always gave me hope, letting me know that always it is possible to change and have a better life. But now, I just cannot separate the movie and Heath. I don't think it is possible to feel that message anymore now at all. I don't know how it will be possible to find hope in BBM knowing that Heath is gone.

Yes,Tammy,Heath will be Ennis Del Mar forever,but the bitter contradiction is that Ennis really stays, and Heath is who has gone...But I think that the message in BBM remains the same than before this tragedy,I think really it's greater than then.Why? Simply because we have learned from it that we must fight for what we want,never hanging on,always going ahead,no matter how many problems we find.And seeing life's fragility must encourage us to fight in this way more than ever.I don't know how the other Brokies see it,but it's really how I feel,still feel even if Heath has gone-or precisely for this reason...-. :ghug:
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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« Reply #532 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:52 PM »
  

    I havnt been on here for a couple of months but it was the first place i thought about    

       when i heard about heaths death such a loss.
if time were not a moving thing if i could make it stay this hour of love we share would allways be
there would be no coming days to shine a morning  light make us realise our night is over.

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« Reply #533 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:52 PM »
There are so many pages to read through - does anyone know if Jake has made a comment?

The only reference about Jake is from a UK article.

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"His close friend and Brokeback co-star, Jake Gyllenhaal has been worried about him for months. And he knew Heath was sinking further into a depression. Jake is Matilda's godfather, and he and Heath had become really close since they did the film Brokeback together.

"Jake wanted Heath to get help, but he refused...



As I said, unless the press corners Jake, he will probably NOT make a public statement, especially when there are so many things left unaswered as of now.  But I don't doubt he is very much informed as to the events, given that Maggie is in NYC, and the fact that he is Matilda's godfather.

  

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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #534 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:53 PM »
I want to hug my friends, cry with them x
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« Reply #535 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:55 PM »


Ethan sent me this picture on my cellphone, he just took it front of Heath's flat :\'(

 :\'( :\'( :\'(
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« Reply #536 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:55 PM »
I want to hug my friends, cry with them x

Froggy, it's a catastrophe.


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« Reply #537 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:56 PM »
The only reference about Jake is from a UK article.


As I said, unless the press corners Jake, he will probably NOT make a public statement, especially when there are so many things left unaswered as of now.  But I don't doubt he is very much informed as to the events, given that Maggie is in NYC, and the fact that he is Matilda's godfather.
  

And above all, Jake was a great friend of Heath.

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« Reply #538 on: Jan 23, 2008, 01:57 PM »


A Spanish song says that something dies in your soul when a friend is gone...Our souls today and for many time will be uncomplete,almost ill.        A great hug for everybody in the distance,that sometimes is the better place to feel love and friendship.     :ghug:     %)   all.
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Heath Ledger - In Loving Memory
« Reply #539 on: Jan 23, 2008, 02:04 PM »
I can't work, I can't learn - I only can cry and read everything about Heath. I don't believe thah he died. And how he died - it' so many unanswered questions... So sad, so tragic. I don't understand it. :(
I hardly ever pray, but today I pray for Heath's soul.