Topic: Ennis' parents-in-law

[lancecowboy]

good point especially by the 80's you would think most of this activity would be gone and the killers were probably such a tiny minority.
i dont know when homosexuality was legalised in the us i know in the uk it was around 40 years ago or something in the late 60's i would imagine it would be similar in the us.

hmmm...correct me if I am wrong, please, but I think some parts of the US still consider gay sex to be criminal. It's hardly ever prosecuted, but the law is still out-dated in some states, while in other states, gay marriages are being considered. Canada only legalized gay civil unions recently, as in within the last decade. Sir Elton John was brave. But it is easy to be brave when you are in love.  oops. OT

[jackster]

OT here but important, forgive me mods,

From CNN 13 Nov 2003:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The US Supreme Court Thursday struck down a Texas state law banning private consensual sex between adults of the same sex in a decision gay rights groups hailed as historic.

The 6-3 decision by the court reverses course from a ruling 17 years ago that states could punish homosexuals for what such laws historically called deviant sex.

Legal analysts said the ruling enshrines for the first time a broad constitutional right to sexual privacy, and its impact would reach beyond Texas and 12 other states with similar sodomy laws applied against the gay and lesbian community, and into mainstream America.

Until this ruling it was technically against the law folks. You could be arrested, tried, and convicted. Ain't so long ago. And indeed many thought they were just helping out law enforcement to therefore do violence against those who "broke the law".

It's no coincidence that the case was from Texas.

[lancecowboy]

OT here but important, forgive me mods,

From CNN 13 Nov 2003:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The US Supreme Court Thursday struck down a Texas state law banning private consensual sex between adults of the same sex in a decision gay rights groups hailed as historic.

The 6-3 decision by the court reverses course from a ruling 17 years ago that states could punish homosexuals for what such laws historically called deviant sex.

Legal analysts said the ruling enshrines for the first time a broad constitutional right to sexual privacy, and its impact would reach beyond Texas and 12 other states with similar sodomy laws applied against the gay and lesbian community, and into mainstream America.

Until this ruling it was technically against the law folks. You could be arrested, tried, and convicted. Ain't so long ago. And indeed many thought they were just helping out law enforcement to therefore do violence against those who "broke the law".

It's no coincidence that the case was from Texas.

Thanks, Jackster. I am glad it is now legal all over the US. But I wonder how many people know that, and how many people accept that.

I think most folks in Riverton, including Ennis' in-laws (trying to bring this on topic  ) would find the Supreme Court decision immoral but tolerate Ennis anyway for the girls' sake. People don't always act logically or rationally.

By the way, do you suppose Ennis' best man was Don Wroe, the guy's cabin that he and Jack stayed in one summer? Given the way Ennis related how he ended up working Brokeback the summer of '63, and the way he described how he and his brother fought all the time until he beat up on his brother, I suspect there is no love lost between those two, and his brother would not be his best man. I don't think it's Alma's sister's husband, because their outfits don't match.

[Matt Nasty]

Thanks, Jackster. I am glad it is now legal all over the US. But I wonder how many people know that, and how many people accept that.

I think most folks in Riverton, including Ennis' in-laws (trying to bring this on topic  ) would find the Supreme Court decision immoral but tolerate Ennis anyway for the girls' sake. People don't always act logically or rationally.

By the way, do you suppose Ennis' best man was Don Wroe, the guy's cabin that he and Jack stayed in one summer? Given the way Ennis related how he ended up working Brokeback the summer of '63, and the way he described how he and his brother fought all the time until he beat up on his brother, I suspect there is no love lost between those two, and his brother would not be his best man. I don't think it's Alma's sister's husband, because their outfits don't match.

hmmm that woukd be quite possible but the best man could simply be someone else that worked on the same ranch as ennis.

[athena0204]

hmmm that woukd be quite possible but the best man could simply be someone else that worked on the same ranch as ennis.

Hmm, I never paid attention who the best man his wedding might be. Were his brother and sister even at the wedding?

[tpe]

Hmm, I never paid attention who the best man his wedding might be. Were his brother and sister even at the wedding?

I assumed that in the wedding scene, we see Ennis's brother and sister, although they were unidentified...

[athena0204]

I assumed that in the wedding scene, we see Ennis's brother and sister, although they were unidentified...

Yeah, they were probably there, although they are completely absent from the story.

[tpe]

Yeah, they were probably there, although they are completely absent from the story.

Yes.  The film tries to fill in some lacunae in thestory, and I admit that it did this beautifully, withough being unfaithful to the original.  So that is why I assume that Ennis's in-laws may have been dead, because it was certainly one lacuna that the film didn't elaborate on.

[jackster]

Lacunae?
Got me goin' to the dictionary again. Damn Thomas, you're too good!

Though twice in one paragraph may be a little over the top. 

[lancecowboy]

Lacunae?
Got me goin' to the dictionary again. Damn Thomas, you're too good!

Though twice in one paragraph may be a little over the top. 

  I was too lazy to go look it up. But you got me curious...and wow, it is plural for a blank space or gap. Does that mean a gap year would be called an annus lacuna?  sorry, OT.

[jessicat80]

Lacunae?
Got me goin' to the dictionary again. Damn Thomas, you're too good!

Though twice in one paragraph may be a little over the top. 

Lacunae Matata. It means no worries.......ok, sorry, I couldn't resist It means something like the unknown I believe. 

[welshwitch]

A lacuna's a gap in the sense of something missing - eg a lacuna in one's CV that makes a potential employer wonder what you were up to at that time. so can be a missing part - extension is a biological term for little spaces in eg bones. Words are fascinating.

[lancecowboy]

A lacuna's a gap in the sense of something missing - eg a lacuna in one's CV that makes a potential employer wonder what you were up to at that time. so can be a missing part - extension is a biological term for little spaces in eg bones. Words are fascinating.

It would be appropriate, then, to call Ennis' in-laws lacuna in the story. What's Alma's maiden name anyway? Is it interesting to note that all this time, I have been so focused on the love between Ennis and Jack, that I have had a blind spot so big, a whole family, two whole families can go missing for so long.

[Matt Nasty]

It would be appropriate, then, to call Ennis' in-laws lacuna in the story. What's Alma's maiden name anyway? Is it interesting to note that all this time, I have been so focused on the love between Ennis and Jack, that I have had a blind spot so big, a whole family, two whole families can go missing for so long.

almas maiden name is beer "alma beer"

[tpe]

It would be appropriate, then, to call Ennis' in-laws lacuna in the story. What's Alma's maiden name anyway? Is it interesting to note that all this time, I have been so focused on the love between Ennis and Jack, that I have had a blind spot so big, a whole family, two whole families can go missing for so long.

The details about Ennis's parents and inlaws are so shadowy.  At least we catch a glimpse of Jack's family in the LF scenes, and his inlawws in the Texas scenes.  The fact that we know almost next to nothing about Ennis's paremts and inlaws only adds to the mystery that surrounds him as a character...

[welshwitch]

Makes him more of an island - parents long dead, parents-in-law non-existent. The brother and sister mentioned in the ss seem tohbave been intent on getting on with their own lives, leavingno space for Ennis with them.He has so few connections - it's clear why Jack is so important to him.

[tpe]

Makes him more of an island - parents long dead, parents-in-law non-existent. The brother and sister mentioned in the ss seem tohbave been intent on getting on with their own lives, leavingno space for Ennis with them.He has so few connections - it's clear why Jack is so important to him.

Yes: it bespeaks isolation, for the most part.  Had they been more explicit about inlaws, it would have lessened the impact.