Topic: Sexual Roles in SNIT and Other BBM Sex Scenes

[babytammy7]

Tammy,

I'm thinking of the scenes on the mountain, Jack's relationship with his father, Ennis's confessing his virginity, we get a glimispes of these two men,.  Almost touching on what we're talking about.  Jack's emotional need, the sexual awakening of Ennis.  I may be wrong, but I don't know but it seem like those scenes hit at what made them tick.   

Yea, yes MG you're right!!  I was only saying that maybe they talked about every simply thing, about their problems, fears and wishes...their dreams and hopes, their secrets...but never about what they were feeling for each other, never about love...

Am I wrong? Just asking....

[manhattangirl]

Yea, yes MG you're right!!  I was only saying that maybe they talked about every simply thing, about their problems, fears and wishes...their dreams and hopes, their secrets...but never about what they were feeling for each other, never about love...

Am I wrong? Just asking....

Heck no you ain't wrong, you're right in just what you said, they never talk about things like that, remember in AP ss, "they never talked of the sex", how it the heck you don't about sex?    or  the things you just pointed out.

[tpe]

Tammy,

I'm thinking of the scenes on the mountain, Jack's relationship with his father, Ennis's confessing his virginity, we get a glimispes of these two men,.  Almost touching on what we're talking about.  Jack's emotional need, the sexual awakening of Ennis.  I may be wrong, but I don't know but it seem like those scenes hit at what made them tick.   

Interesting and certainly valid points.  They do seem to say something about what made them tick.  Specifically, Ennis's relative innocence and Jack's need of emotional anchor do prepare the way for waht was about to happen.

[pattyjean]

Not to be too personal, but if there are any gay guys or knowledgable straight men or women posting, I have QUESTIONS!  Do roles ever change between partners, from being submissive, to being dominant, within the same relationship (ie., Jack and Ennis)?  And anatomically speaking, how was Jack satisfied physically if Ennis always served as the dominant partner?  Please don't kick me off this website; I am a bit sex-challenged!

[Ranchand1]

     Step away from that there whisky spring.

     Ah well Ill try to say something...

     The roles are varying in degree from relationship to relationship.  We have to define the roles as the relationship plays out.  Some men only like to be active <top> others will like to mostly/only recieve <bottom>.  There is usualy some flux even there.  Its as varried as anything else two men get together for.  From the one extreme "ONLY" do this, to the other "anything anywhere anytime."

     Men have a way of recieving much pleasure being the reciever in ways women don't, for the same activity.  An can get from A to Z doing it.

    For a more graphic introduction try google.  Or maybe someone else can be more....thorough.  Vague I know.

   

[pattyjean]

     Step away from that there whisky spring.

     Ah well Ill try to say something...

     The roles are varying in degree from relationship to relationship.  We have to define the roles as the relationship plays out.  Some men only like to be active <top> others will like to mostly/only recieve <bottom>.  There is usualy some flux even there.  Its as varried as anything else two men get together for.  From the one extreme "ONLY" do this, to the other "anything anywhere anytime."

     Men have a way of recieving much pleasure being the reciever in ways women don't, for the same activity.  An can get from A to Z doing it.

    For a more graphic introduction try google.  Or maybe someone else can be more....thorough.  Vague I know.

   

Most informative!  A good friend, who works with a gay man, pretty much concurred with your input--that getting from A to Z (for Jack) can happen without extra effort from the top guy (Ennis).  I about wrecked my eyesight trying to see what Jack and Ennis were doing with BOTH of their hands during FNIT!  On some earlier posts, a few people wrote that Jack looked and sounded as if he were in PAIN:  I THINK NOT!  First of all, he was portraying a man who was hammered, totally aroused, and virtually salivating over Ennis from DAY ONE.  Secondly, from my own personal experience, it really doesn't hurt.  Thirdly, some heterosexual liaisons are initially more painful in general...for the woman.  In my opinion, the characters of Jack and Ennis, afterward, would be experiencing EUPHORICTRICITY (a new word {:>).

[Ranchand1]

     Your not alone patty.  I think more then a few wrecked there eyesite on that scene.  Pain oh ya.  But not enough to stop that train from rollin.  Specialy with only slick and spit.  I think thats how Annie described it.

     Would have taken a bear a porcupine and a sack of rattlers to stop them two in that tent on that night.   An a moose thrown in for good measure.

   To far?

[tpe]

Not to be too personal, but if there are any gay guys or knowledgable straight men or women posting, I have QUESTIONS!  Do roles ever change between partners, from being submissive, to being dominant, within the same relationship (ie., Jack and Ennis)? 

Yes.

And anatomically speaking, how was Jack satisfied physically if Ennis always served as the dominant partner?  Please don't kick me off this website; I am a bit sex-challenged!

It is a question of recognizing it as a the g-spot, shall we say.

[FlwrChild]

Well put, Ranchand and Thomas.

And pattyjean, being top or bottom doesn't necessarily indicate a dominant role in the relationship, only a preference in that particular regard.

[myprivatejack]

Well put, Ranchand and Thomas.

And pattyjean, being top or bottom doesn't necessarily indicate a dominant role in the relationship, only a preference in that particular regard.

I agree,Barb¡. IMO,dominant role is more a psychical than a physical question.In this concrete case,Jack was the dominant character in that he took the initiative,in both senses,even if Ennis could be dominant in a more "masculine" way.

[pattyjean]

Thank you tpe, ranchand, and child:  TYVM for your most informative input!  Now I won't have to Google this topic:  If the Feds ever confiscate my laptop, I would not want THAT Google search showing up!  LOL

Jack's acting ability--gasping, heavy breathing, etc., were typical responses to the high-altitude fireworks, were they not?  So thanks to you three, we can throw out the concern about "discomfort"...for Jack, or anyone else...

[tpe]

Well put, Ranchand and Thomas.

And pattyjean, being top or bottom doesn't necessarily indicate a dominant role in the relationship, only a preference in that particular regard.

I agree,Barb¡. IMO,dominant role is more a psychical than a physical question.In this concrete case,Jack was the dominant character in that he took the initiative,in both senses,even if Ennis could be dominant in a more "masculine" way.

I also agree.  That's a pretty good distinction, in fact.

[tpe]

Thank you tpe, ranchand, and child:  TYVM for your most informative input!  Now I won't have to Google this topic:  If the Feds ever confiscate my laptop, I would not want THAT Google search showing up!  LOL

Jack's acting ability--gasping, heavy breathing, etc., were typical responses to the high-altitude fireworks, were they not?  So thanks to you three, we can throw out the concern about "discomfort"...for Jack, or anyone else...

You're welcome, pattyjean!

Actually, it can be discomforting at times.  But one should note that this doesn't necessarily exclude pleasure.  In fact, any discomfort is probably overshadowed by the sense of pleasure, in most instances.

[pattyjean]

     Your not alone patty.  I think more then a few wrecked there eyesite on that scene.  Pain oh ya.  But not enough to stop that train from rollin.  Specialy with only slick and spit.  I think thats how Annie described it.

     Would have taken a bear a porcupine and a sack of rattlers to stop them two in that tent on that night.   An a moose thrown in for good measure.

   To far?

IMO, not too far at all!  The infinite pleasure experienced by Jack and Ennis undoubtedly won out over the pain!

[atalley]

Loved the porcupine, sack of rattlers and moose illustration Ranchand!

[pattyjean]

     Your not alone patty.  I think more then a few wrecked there eyesite on that scene.  Pain oh ya.  But not enough to stop that train from rollin.  Specialy with only slick and spit.  I think thats how Annie described it.

     Would have taken a bear a porcupine and a sack of rattlers to stop them two in that tent on that night.   An a moose thrown in for good measure.

   To far?

Ranchand:  This has got to be the best metaphoric post on this thread!  But I don't think the bear AND the moose would have fit in the tent at the same time:  Maybe one of those critters could have joined Jack and Ennis during SNIT for a high-altitude menage-a-trois!   

[myprivatejack]

I would have joined them in that night,and I'm not a porcupine nor a bear¡ 

[Matt Nasty]

I would have joined them in that night,and I'm not a porcupine nor a bear¡ 

id have joined also... but i hairy like a bear...and well i have a sack and a snake 

[atalley]

ooooooooh!

[Matt Nasty]

ooooooooh!

but i dont have the porcupine

[chameau]

If you don't mind Brokies this is going a bit off topic, huh?

[pattyjean]

If you don't mind Brokies this is going a bit off topic, huh?

Loved the "huh?" at the end of your sentence--Ennis used that euphanism when Jack was dismantling the tent in order to "bring 'em down".  Speaking of sexual roles:  In the reunion scene I loved the fact that Ennis was the one to initially proclaim his still burning passion for Jack by initiating that first explosive "best onscreen kiss of 2005"!  It seemed, at first viewing, to be very out of character for Ennis--considering the homophobic childhood he had experienced.  It took great courage for Ennis to throw Jack against the wall, knock his hat off and just plant one!   That sizzling embrace--the thrill of holding Jack again--after four years was more than he could handle!  The fear of discovery he had to hold at bay...

[atalley]

At that point, I don't think courage had anything to do with it.  It was pure testosterone.

[babytammy7]

Yeah, Ennis was not thinking in that moment, so he couldn't think about being brave. He was only "feeling". That was not courage but deep love, passion and above all desperation.

[Ranchand1]

    Finally his lock found a key...or key found Jack's lock..

    I agree with desperation though.  I feel his need.

   

[pattyjean]

If you don't mind Brokies this is going a bit off topic, huh?

I still like that "huh?" chameau:  Was that intentional, since Ennis had used it in the movie?  I noticed it right away because you are Canadian, and I would have expected "eh?" instead, which I am inclined to use myself, living near the Canadian border.  This reminds me that the "huh?" preceded the pouting of Ennis sitting on the log and then on the hillside:  His anger at Jack (for reeling him into this heartbreaking intimate situation) boils over after Jack unintentionally gives him a bloody nose with his knee.  He responded with the hard punch, hoping to imply that he was in control!

[chameau]

(off topic) It was intentional and posted on purpose.  (end of off topic)

[pattyjean]

At that point, I don't think courage had anything to do with it.  It was pure testosterone.

All right, all right--I agree with you!  Love your ID atalley, and I do understand it--as that was one riveting scene!  Even before Ennis ducked into the alley, I felt like I wanted to puke, scream, beat the wall, and sob for days!

[smartestsonia]

Loved the "huh?" at the end of your sentence--Ennis used that euphanism when Jack was dismantling the tent in order to "bring 'em down".  Speaking of sexual roles:  In the reunion scene I loved the fact that Ennis was the one to initially proclaim his still burning passion for Jack by initiating that first explosive "best onscreen kiss of 2005"!  It seemed, at first viewing, to be very out of character for Ennis--considering the homophobic childhood he had experienced.  It took great courage for Ennis to throw Jack against the wall, knock his hat off and just plant one!   That sizzling embrace--the thrill of holding Jack again--after four years was more than he could handle!  The fear of discovery he had to hold at bay...

so true..his character was living in so much fear..when the reunion after 4 years happened and Ennis met jack after 4 long long years all the feelings came back like a flood in his heart and his heart, mind and body got out of control.,.he just wanted to be impulsive for once in his life and just show jack through his action that how much he loved and missed him..that initiation is just so wonderful..jack too gets so overhelemd when he realizes that Ennis felt the same fire in him for 4 years...

[orangetruck]

I still like that "huh?" chameau:  Was that intentional, since Ennis had used it in the movie?  I noticed it right away because you are Canadian, and I would have expected "eh?" instead, which I am inclined to use myself, living near the Canadian border.  This reminds me that the "huh?" preceded the pouting of Ennis sitting on the log and then on the hillside:  His anger at Jack (for reeling him into this heartbreaking intimate situation) boils over after Jack unintentionally gives him a bloody nose with his knee.  He responded with the hard punch, hoping to imply that he was in control!

Nicely put.