Author Topic: The more I see it--The more I realize how much in love Jack was with Ennis  (Read 8683 times)

Offline karind1

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Just saw movie for about 19th time last night--and it really struck me how very much in love Jack was with Ennis...right up until the end.  Even after the,  I wish I could quit you tiff.  He really, truly loved Ennis.  And vice-versa.  What a beautiful story that gets more moving with time.
Karin

p.s. even with the few goofs during movie--by the end of the movie all of that is forgotten and you are just totally absorbed in what you have just seen.  No other movie in my life (58) has stayed inside me like this one.  Wow.
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karind1, I think Jack was much much more emotive than Ennis; hence, he is more accessible, more lovable, and, in the final analysis, more open to our sympathies. 

But I agree with Gyllenhaal that Ennis's love is probably deeper, albeit less expressive.

Ennis will be faithful to Jack unto death.  'Jack, I swear...'

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Jack truly loved Ennis, wanted to it to be forever, but he needed more of a commitment than Ennis could make at the time. Ennis realizes too late what was really at stake, his breaking heart. Can hear Ennis saying, "He was a friend of mine, every time I think of him, I just can't keep from cryin', cuz' he was a friend of mine"
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Just saw movie for about 19th time last night--and it really struck me how very much in love Jack was with Ennis...right up until the end.  Even after the,  I wish I could quit you tiff.  He really, truly loved Ennis.  And vice-versa.  What a beautiful story that gets more moving with time.
Karin

p.s. even with the few goofs during movie--by the end of the movie all of that is forgotten and you are just totally absorbed in what you have just seen.  No other movie in my life (58) has stayed inside me like this one.  Wow.

They were both absolutely in love with each other...I think Jacks was just more apparent because of his personality, always the dreamer who believed it could work out.  Ennis kept his under wraps.  Let's face it...they had each other at hello!  :)  :)  :)

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karind1, I think Jack was much much more emotive than Ennis; hence, he is more accessible, more lovable, and, in the final analysis, more open to our sympathies. 

But I agree with Gyllenhaal that Ennis's love is probably deeper, albeit less expressive.

Ennis will be faithful to Jack unto death.  'Jack, I swear...'

Yes, this is so true about Jack.  The more times I saw the film, the more I felt sorry for Jack.  He was the one who took all the risks, put his heart out on his sleeve, offered love to Ennis (he could have been killed right after that first tent scene - notice how Ennis had that rifle out the morning after? Had I not read the book first, I would have thought that he might go mad at what happened and kill Jack in a fit of rage...you never know with a confused, freshly bisexual guy!).  Anyway, Jack was not willing to settle for a constrained life.  He had dreams and he wanted to make them reality. 
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Jack was in love with Ennis.  At least it seems on the surface.  Or was Jack simply in love with "the idea" of Ennis?  In love with "a man"?

Was Ennis filling a void for Jack?  Could someone else have completed the picture as easily?

The movie doesn't tell us.  The movie shows Jack being obsessed and displaying love for Ennis.  However, it doesn't explain what about Ennis Jack loved.    So, we are left to examine the psyche of Jack as best we can.

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Just saw movie for about 19th time last night--and it really struck me how very much in love Jack was with Ennis...right up until the end.  Even after the,  I wish I could quit you tiff.  He really, truly loved Ennis.  And vice-versa.  What a beautiful story that gets more moving with time.
Karin

p.s. even with the few goofs during movie--by the end of the movie all of that is forgotten and you are just totally absorbed in what you have just seen.  No other movie in my life (58) has stayed inside me like this one.  Wow.


They were both absolutely in love with each other...I think Jacks was just more apparent because of his personality, always the dreamer who believed it could work out.  Ennis kept his under wraps.  Let's face it...they had each other at hello!  :)  :)  :)


And I think Jack comes closest to saying so out loud when he says, during the last night by the fire, "sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it".

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Just saw movie for about 19th time last night--and it really struck me how very much in love Jack was with Ennis...right up until the end.  Even after the,  I wish I could quit you tiff.  He really, truly loved Ennis.  And vice-versa.  What a beautiful story that gets more moving with time.
Karin

p.s. even with the few goofs during movie--by the end of the movie all of that is forgotten and you are just totally absorbed in what you have just seen.  No other movie in my life (58) has stayed inside me like this one.  Wow.


They were both absolutely in love with each other...I think Jacks was just more apparent because of his personality, always the dreamer who believed it could work out.  Ennis kept his under wraps.  Let's face it...they had each other at hello!  :)  :)  :)


And I think Jack comes closest to saying so out loud when he says, during the last night by the fire, "sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it".

Chris


Just one of the lines in this movie that brings tears to my eyes...so simple and yet so much impact.  Says it all.  :'(

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I definitely agree that we are more drawn into the power of Jack's love for Ennis because he is so much more demonstrable. But, after the 2nd viewing, I was convinced that Ennis' love for Jack was really deeper and more profound.  He is just so unhappy after the reunion scene. He is tormenting himself and doesn't realize it. Look at how he acts with Cassie Cartwright. The initial meeting is such a beating for him - such a chore. He obliges her out of decency and respect, but I was so sure he was thinking about Jack the whole time. Even when they are out with Alma Jr., it just never seemed that Ennis was fully "about" whatever it was he was doing. He keeps Jack at arms distance because that is his comfort zone and just doesn't recognize what he's doing to himself. That's how I read it. It probably helps seeing Ennis so griefstricken after Jack's death.  He is paralyzed with sorrow and perhaps some remorse.  I have no idea what Heath had to do to get into the mindset to do the "discover his shirt inside Jack's shirt" scene at Jack's parents' house, but he pulled it off perfectly.  When he pulled out the shirts and gently cradled them and smelled them, like he could actually smell Jack on the shirt, his face tells it all. He will NEVER get over this man with whom he fell in love. Heath makes it cold, raw, brutally unfair emotion.  It's almost as if he is exposing an ugly, vicious wound that will never heal, but you can't see it visually because it's the Jack-shaped hole in his heart!

There's my $0.02 - sorry for rambling, but I am so convinced that Ennis' keeping his love for Jack in abeyance is kind of his undoing - in a theatrical, if not somewhat oblique kind of way.  STOP ME NOW - I love this film too much.

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I agree with Soldie of Rome for many reasons but one in particular about that scene where Ennis introduces Cassie to Alma Jr.  Notice that he (Ennis) went to the jukebox and selected the song "Melissa" by the Gregg Allman Brothers Band.  Listen carefully to the song if you get a chance.  The words strongly correlate to Ennis' love for Jack. The song is about always returning to your one true love even after you may wander from person to person throughout your life.  This demonstrates that Ennis was always thinking about Jack wherever he was and with whomever he was at all times. That's commitment!
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Thanks Hermes, I must see the movie again because I didn't catch the song that he played on the jukebox.  I guess I was so intrigued with the way Alma Jr. was answering Cassie's questions, I was so convinced that Alma Jr. "knows" I guess in all of my viewings I was looking so deep in the the exchange between them I almost forgot about Ennis.  Ang really hit the nail with this one!

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Thanks Hermes, I must see the movie again because I didn't catch the song that he played on the jukebox.  I guess I was so intrigued with the way Alma Jr. was answering Cassie's questions, I was so convinced that Alma Jr. "knows" I guess in all of my viewings I was looking so deep in the the exchange between them I almost forgot about Ennis.  Ang really hit the nail with this one!

I don't think "Melissa" was just a coincidental choice...it fits perfectly.  I only wish it was on the soundtrack.  :)

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Thanks Hermes, I must see the movie again because I didn't catch the song that he played on the jukebox.  I guess I was so intrigued with the way Alma Jr. was answering Cassie's questions, I was so convinced that Alma Jr. "knows" I guess in all of my viewings I was looking so deep in the the exchange between them I almost forgot about Ennis.  Ang really hit the nail with this one!


I don't think "Melissa" was just a coincidental choice...it fits perfectly.  I only wish it was on the soundtrack.  :)

Dalemidex -

Check out my thread in the Treasure Box called "Enhanced Soundtrack."  I've listed all of the extra songs that were playing in the film (except a couple that I didn't know) along with some other theme music that I thought matched the film's themes well.
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will do...thanks!