Topic: "Ol' Brokeback got us good."

[vedrana]

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During motel scene, after Ennis and Jack did what they did, and talked some about their lives in the past four years, very sad and wistful, Jack whispered: "Ol' Brokeback got us good." Jack, in a way admitted the power that Brokeback had over them.

Now, if Ennis and Jack had met somewhere else, far from the open space and beauty of the mountain, far away from the freedom and isolation from the unfriendly society, than - would it be so powerful? Would it last for 20 years?  Would the love bloom so strong? Would it be even possible to get together at the first place, make love at all??

After the motel scene, they headed to the mountain again. And every time they met, it was in the mountains. They never consider going to a motel or anywhere else - it was always mountain. God knows that they didn't avoid motels for the sake of fishing. It was all about two of them together, making love, talking, drinking... But it always had to be in the mountains. It always had to be like it was on Brokeback.

I believe that Brokeback was so important in their hooking up and everything that followed, so much so that maybe none of it would've happened hadn't they been there. Brokeback mountain in it's beauty and glory surpassed everything they had faced in their usual lives and lead them into the freedom. It was a whole new world up there and the things which would usually seemed wrong, seemed almost alright.

When Ennis found the shirts years after, he was trying to revoke Jack's scent, the same as it was on Brokeback, the place where they were young and free. I am not saying that there were no love. I am saying that love was due to their youth, sad life circumstances behind them and above all - the opportunity given in the wonder of Brokeback mountain.

Their love was in more than one way, inseparable from Brokeback. Now, I can go a step further and ask - wasn't it always like a threesome, the mountain being the third one?

 

[fullmoon]

  all

Loreen, Brokeback Mountain definitely played a part in their meeting and their relationship.  Jack was totally in love in Ennis, especially after their meeting 4 years after Brokeback.  If you look at his reaction at their re-meet when Ennis pushed him against the wall and kissed him, it all came back. 

On seeing Jack, Ennis just could help himself, and that is also when he realised that Jack is much more to him that he even realised.

Because of Ennis' background, even after he was divorced from Alma, he still did not want to pursue a permanent relationship with Jack.  Jack is so in love with Ennis, he just took every opportunity he can to be with Ennis, no matter how meager.  Even if it meant every couple of months at Brokeback.  I think Jack would have settled for anywhere meeting Ennis.  But Ennis don't travel, as he said "the only travelling I did is around the coffee pot looking for the handle".

The penny dropped after his last meeting with Ennis, when Jack told his dad his bringing some other man with him to "whip the ranch in shape", meaning Jack realised Ennis will never share his life permanently.

I don't think Brokeback was a third party in their relationship, although it did play a huge part in their relationship.  If there was a third party, is must be Ennis' background, preventing them from pursuing their relationship to what it could have been.

[hpv]

Of course BBM played a part, a big one
 since they kept meeting on the mountains, all the 20 years of their relationship.

[vedrana]

all

Loreen, Brokeback Mountain definitely played a part in their meeting and their relationship.  Jack was totally in love in Ennis, especially after their meeting 4 years after Brokeback.  If you look at his reaction at their re-meet when Ennis pushed him against the wall and kissed him, it all came back. 

On seeing Jack, Ennis just could help himself, and that is also when he realised that Jack is much more to him that he even realised.

Because of Ennis' background, even after he was divorced from Alma, he still did not want to pursue a permanent relationship with Jack.  Jack is so in love with Ennis, he just took every opportunity he can to be with Ennis, no matter how meager.  Even if it meant every couple of months at Brokeback.  I think Jack would have settled for anywhere meeting Ennis.  But Ennis don't travel, as he said "the only travelling I did is around the coffee pot looking for the handle".

The penny dropped after his last meeting with Ennis, when Jack told his dad his bringing some other man with him to "whip the ranch in shape", meaning Jack realised Ennis will never share his life permanently.

I don't think Brokeback was a third party in their relationship, although it did play a huge part in their relationship.  If there was a third party, is must be Ennis' background, preventing them from pursuing their relationship to what it could have been.

Hey Fullmoon

Welcome to the forum and thanks for answering! 

Interesting point of view  - you think that much more important was Ennis's fear...  ... I don't know... Yes, it has always been an obstacle and we can surely say that it was between them all the time, but it wasn't with them like BBM. Maybe it is the different angle, we're watching at their relationship.

As for Jack's lost hopes about the sweet life with Ennis - I always believed that Jack never got over Ennis and that he mentioned that other man to his father coz he felt like loosing face after so many years that Ennis didn't show up in LF. Some members believe that jack was really moving on, but I am not so sure...

Hope to see more of you around! 

[vedrana]

Of course BBM played a part, a big one
 since they kept meeting on the mountains, all the 20 years of their relationship.

I believe that it was a crucial point for their relationship. E.g., if they met anywhere else, it is quite realistic to expect that nothing would've happen between them. But there on BBM, the developed a special friendship that grew into love so strong, that even years of "separated and difficult lives" didn't diminish their passion and feelings to each other. BBM was almost a third, equally important partner. IMHO

[tpe]

I believe that BBM was central to the relationship.  Even if they didn't go back, the experience they shared became the ideal that they tried to recapture all their lives.  The parallel is with the Garden of Eden and the expulsion.  I beleiev someone had mentioned something like this in an old post somewhere...

[myprivatejack]

IMO,Brokeback was a very important moment in their lives,important enough as to change them forever.But I think that any other place or circumstance that had allowed some degree of intimacy or,at least,allowed them to work together shoulder to shoulder,had developed an intense relationship between them.Because they were two uprooted country boys who needed above all some love and tenderness,someone who makes them feel all the important human beings that nobody had made them feel before,neither their own parents.Remember how powerful and strong Ennis felt in s.s. when they went up to the sheep after having shared some conversation moments with Jack;it was just because at the end he had found someone who cared for him,who believed that his opinions and wishes were important by themselves...In this sense,then,I think that any other place could have became their "happy Arcadia" and their shelter before society,no matter if it had been a house,a saloon or a city's street.
However,it's true that the mountain beauty and greatness added a factor of freedom to their relationship; they were alone,in the middle of nowhere,taking care and being cared of and from each other,and,more than in any other place,they could be themselves,as they were and felt. Loneliness in all senses,both physical and psychical,created some bonds that it was easy that could grow up until being eternal.But I guess that when Jack says "Ol' Brokeback got us good" means that this place or wherever they had met,changed their lives forever because,simply,was the first place they really know each other in all senses.That these times of shared loneliness had made them fall in love with each other as they wouldn't had though before.That he realised Ennis loved him when they were talking about how much they had missed one another during these four !@#$ years and he wasn't able to tell anything,but everything his reaction speaks volumes-his eyes are full with tears when he just remembers how his life has been without Jack,what is very significant...-.I think,in sum,that when a love is so great as theirs,any place can be your own Brokeback...

[vedrana]

I believe that BBM was central to the relationship.  Even if they didn't go back, the experience they shared became the ideal that they tried to recapture all their lives.  The parallel is with the Garden of Eden and the expulsion.  I beleiev someone had mentioned something like this in an old post somewhere...

I surely agree. Every moment after 1963. was an attempt to reach the beauty of their happy days on Brokeback.  I don't think that they ever succeeded though.

And the metaphor of never returning there is also powerful. As they never reached the same unrestrained love they'd had there, they had also never returned to the same place. As it was a symbol of it.

My question was more about BBM in the beginning of their love. Would one Jack Twist and one Ennis DelMar ever become lovers hadn't it been for a freedom they had on BBM?

Jack's words in motel room were so decided, almost fatal...  oh, now I just remember. Maybe Jack's words were a simple love statement? Not being able to say:  "Damn, how we fell (in love) for each other then and there!" he just said "Ol' Brokeback got us good!"

 

Now I'm even more puzzled! 

[vedrana]

IMO,Brokeback was a very important moment in their lives,important enough as to change them forever.But I think that any other place or circumstance that had allowed some degree of intimacy or,at least,allowed them to work together shoulder to shoulder,had developed an intense relationship between them.Because they were two uprooted country boys who needed above all some love and tenderness,someone who makes them feel all the important human beings that nobody had made them feel before,neither their own parents.Remember how powerful and strong Ennis felt in s.s. when they went up to the sheep after having shared some conversation moments with Jack;it was just because at the end he had found someone who cared for him,who believed that his opinions and wishes were important by themselves...In this sense,then,I think that any other place could have became their "happy Arcadia" and their shelter before society,no matter if it had been a house,a saloon or a city's street.
However,it's true that the mountain beauty and greatness added a factor of freedom to their relationship; they were alone,in the middle of nowhere,taking care and being cared of and from each other,and,more than in any other place,they could be themselves,as they were and felt. Loneliness in all senses,both physical and psychical,created some bonds that it was easy that could grow up until being eternal.But I guess that when Jack says "Ol' Brokeback got us good" means that this place or wherever they had met,changed their lives forever because,simply,was the first place they really know each other in all senses.That these times of shared loneliness had made them fall in love with each other as they wouldn't had though before.That he realised Ennis loved him when they were talking about how much they had missed one another during these four !@#$ years and he wasn't able to tell anything,but everything his reaction speaks volumes-his eyes are full with tears when he just remembers how his life has been without Jack,what is very significant...-.I think,in sum,that when a love is so great as theirs,any place can be your own Brokeback...

Yeah, just now, I also said something similar about Jack's statement.

You maybe right here. Maybe some other place would be as good as Brokeback... but not any other place. And not any other circumstances. The fact that they were depending only on each other, that they talked only to each other and that no one was a witness to their relationship, starting for friendship to love, was crucial.

Yes, it could've been any mountain, but I don't believe that in the city or any people crowded place would they had loosened their strains and let it happen.

I agree with bold part - they surely need love, and not only physical. They needed a true, warm companionship and they got it in the most wonderful way. 

[fullmoon]

With Jack's utterance "Ol' Brokeback got us good" he meant that at Brokeback their lives changed forever, without them ever having control of it thereafter. 

The fact that they meet at Brokeback is just part of being able to be alone together without Ennis worrying about others.  Remember they went to Ross(?) cabin one year. 

How important is Brokeback Mountain?  Jack even wanted his ashes scattered there and Ennis was willing to take it.  They both see Brokeback as a symbol of their love and "the good life together"

[tpe]

I think about the phrase "got us good."  It suggests not being just a captive, but also suggests being enthralled as willing captives.  The sense of "capture" is very strong in that phrase.  To me, it suggests a sense of not being free, but not minding it -- that the will gives in to the sense of capture.  A "captive heart" comes closest to describe this.

[ethan]

Loreen, interesting questions and observation. I think you have answered your own question with the one below.

I believe that Brokeback was so important in their hooking up and everything that followed, so much so that maybe none of it would've happened hadn't they been there. Brokeback mountain in it's beauty and glory surpassed everything they had faced in their usual lives and lead them into the freedom. It was a whole new world up there and the things which would usually seemed wrong, seemed almost alright.

I think about the phrase "got us good."  It suggests not being just a captive, but also suggests being enthralled as willing captives.  The sense of "capture" is very strong in that phrase.  To me, it suggests a sense of not being free, but not minding it -- that the will gives in to the sense of capture.  A "captive heart" comes closest to describe this.

I completely agree. "A captive heart" is a perfect description. Notice the sentence followed "got us good" is "what are we gonna do now?" I think "Got us good" is Jack admitting his vulnerability to Ennis. Of course it was only shut down by Ennis to say "there is not much we can do....." 

[myprivatejack]

I surely agree. Every moment after 1963. was an attempt to reach the beauty of their happy days on Brokeback.  I don't think that they ever succeeded though.

And the metaphor of never returning there is also powerful. As they never reached the same unrestrained love they'd had there, they had also never returned to the same place. As it was a symbol of it.
My question was more about BBM in the beginning of their love. Would one Jack Twist and one Ennis DelMar ever become lovers hadn't it been for a freedom they had on BBM?

Jack's words in motel room were so decided, almost fatal...  oh, now I just remember. Maybe Jack's words were a simple love statement? Not being able to say:  "Damn, how we fell (in love) for each other then and there!" he just said "Ol' Brokeback got us good!"

 

Now I'm even more puzzled!  

Yes,the fact that they never returned to the place where they found love for the first time is indeed a powerful metaphor ; they were going to be together many other times,but never with the same freedom than in BBM.Any other mountain could have taken the place of Brokeback to live their love,but the same than they must leave every time to live their "normal" and ordinary lives,one without the other,this other place would have been-as a matter of fact,.it was-a half-shelter for them.
As regards to Jack's words,of course,they were a love statement;they were like realising how deeply they fell for each other and how the magic of that mountain bounded them forever.Of course,always in E&J style,not saying the word "love" with all its letters,but using some metaphors that,in this case,make useless to say things more clearly.

[myprivatejack]

Yeah, just now, I also said something similar about Jack's statement.

You maybe right here. Maybe some other place would be as good as Brokeback... but not any other place. And not any other circumstances. The fact that they were depending only on each other, that they talked only to each other and that no one was a witness to their relationship, starting for friendship to love, was crucial.

Yes, it could've been any mountain, but I don't believe that in the city or any people crowded place would they had loosened their strains and let it happen.

I agree with bold part - they surely need love, and not only physical. They needed a true, warm companionship and they got it in the most wonderful way. 

Well,I was referring to the fact of having discovered love,the love of their lives,that in this case happenned in Brokaback,but it could have been in any other place and time;I was referring that when you are in love any place could be an splendid garden of Eden for you,and much more if you're able to discover and live this love as your first and your last...Of course,I have also said that having lived all this in a place like Brokeback Mountain added a plus of freedom and beauty to their relationship,in a,let's say,poetic sense but also in a more material one; they must share confidences but also work,they must be responsible of their duties,but also of each other,they were able to know each other at the fully in any sense...I don't know if now this makes sense or not...

[myprivatejack]

With Jack's utterance "Ol' Brokeback got us good" he meant that at Brokeback their lives changed forever, without them ever having control of it thereafter. 

The fact that they meet at Brokeback is just part of being able to be alone together without Ennis worrying about others.  Remember they went to Ross(?) cabin one year. 

How important is Brokeback Mountain?  Jack even wanted his ashes scattered there and Ennis was willing to take it.  They both see Brokeback as a symbol of their love and "the good life together"

Yes,BBM was a symbol of their love and,even if Ennis didn't want to reconised it sometimes,their freedom and their possibilities of make this "sweet life" a real life.It was forever a magic memory,sometimes magnified in moments of being apart,because it was where and when they were just like they wanted to be.

[myprivatejack]

I think about the phrase "got us good."  It suggests not being just a captive, but also suggests being enthralled as willing captives.  The sense of "capture" is very strong in that phrase.  To me, it suggests a sense of not being free, but not minding it -- that the will gives in to the sense of capture.  A "captive heart" comes closest to describe this.

I completely agree. "A captive heart" is a perfect description. Notice the sentence followed "got us good" is "what are we gonna do now?" I think "Got us good" is Jack admitting his vulnerability to Ennis. Of course it was only shut down by Ennis to say "there is not much we can do....." 

I completely agree too..."A captive heart" is not only a precious expression,but the reality of how they felt and how they wanted to feel forever; they were free then and there to live as they wished,but they're not completely free in a "moral" sense because they belonged to each other.And they were pleased to be captured in this way...

[tpe]

Thanks Ethan and MPJ! 

I must admit that Ethan's comment about "what are we gonna do now?" is spot on!  It certainly suggests (if not CONFESSES) vulnerability and perhaps even not being in one's element or comfort zone.    As with "captive heart", it suggests a blind leap of faith.

And Ennis's answer does feel like a "fall back to earth".  It pulls us back to the real-life (and also contradictory) obstacles that underline their captivity.  Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[vedrana]

With Jack's utterance "Ol' Brokeback got us good" he meant that at Brokeback their lives changed forever, without them ever having control of it thereafter. 

The fact that they meet at Brokeback is just part of being able to be alone together without Ennis worrying about others.  Remember they went to Ross(?) cabin one year. 

How important is Brokeback Mountain?  Jack even wanted his ashes scattered there and Ennis was willing to take it.  They both see Brokeback as a symbol of their love and "the good life together"

Yeah, they lost control. Ennis never completely (except during the reunion kiss), but they were never master of their own lives afterward.

It is interesting how BBM was so engraved in them, so much so that Jack wanted to be there in eternity... But why they never returned there???

I believe that under the difficult circumstances that both were living, they were probably deliberately avoiding to go back to BBM. The beautiful memory, the perfection of their few months spent there should never been spoiled by their present lives - troubled and separated. Maybe they didn't want to stain the memory, to make any scratch on the perfection. So they always choose other places...

As I recall it was Don Wroe's cabin (please correct me!)

[vedrana]

Well,I was referring to the fact of having discovered love,the love of their lives,that in this case happenned in Brokaback,but it could have been in any other place and time;I was referring that when you are in love any place could be an splendid garden of Eden for you,and much more if you're able to discover and live this love as your first and your last...Of course,I have also said that having lived all this in a place like Brokeback Mountain added a plus of freedom and beauty to their relationship,in a,let's say,poetic sense but also in a more material one; they must share confidences but also work,they must be responsible of their duties,but also of each other,they were able to know each other at the fully in any sense...I don't know if now this makes sense or not...

Everything makes sense here.

There were certainly special circumstances, special environment and surroundings which made the whole blossoming of their love more beautiful and special... and kept them slaves to their love forever.

[vedrana]

Loreen, interesting questions and observation. I think you have answered your own question with the one below.

I completely agree. "A captive heart" is a perfect description. Notice the sentence followed "got us good" is "what are we gonna do now?" I think "Got us good" is Jack admitting his vulnerability to Ennis. Of course it was only shut down by Ennis to say "there is not much we can do....." 

Thanks Ethan! 

[vedrana]

Thanks Ethan and MPJ! 

I must admit that Ethan's comment about "what are we gonna do now?" is spot on!  It certainly suggests (if not CONFESSES) vulnerability and perhaps even not being in one's element or comfort zone.    As with "captive heart", it suggests a blind leap of faith.

And Ennis's answer does feel like a "fall back to earth".  It pulls us back to the real-life (and also contradictory) obstacles that underline their captivity.  Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I must say that Ennis's reaction is pretty surprising. After being crazy the whole day, waiting for his little darling, after losing the touch with reality and slamming jack against the wall to kiss the life put of him, after renting the room in the motel and doing what he'd been dreaming for the last 4 years, he simply concluded that "There's nothing we can do." Rather shocking! and the real cold shower fro Jack whose dreamy eyes were still on Brokeback of their love.

[aintfoolin]

I tried to find this topic all around the forum, but couldn't. So, mods, please merge the topic if there's already the same/similar one around. Also, please correct the title of the topic, if I wrote it incorrectly.

During motel scene, after Ennis and Jack did what they did, and talked some about their lives in the past four years, very sad and wistful, Jack whispered: "Ol' Brokeback got us good." Jack, in a way admitted the power that Brokeback had over them.

Now, if Ennis and Jack had met somewhere else, far from the open space and beauty of the mountain, far away from the freedom and isolation from the unfriendly society, than - would it be so powerful? Would it last for 20 years?  Would the love bloom so strong? Would it be even possible to get together at the first place, make love at all??

After the motel scene, they headed to the mountain again. And every time they met, it was in the mountains. They never consider going to a motel or anywhere else - it was always mountain. God knows that they didn't avoid motels for the sake of fishing. It was all about two of them together, making love, talking, drinking... But it always had to be in the mountains. It always had to be like it was on Brokeback.

I believe that Brokeback was so important in their hooking up and everything that followed, so much so that maybe none of it would've happened hadn't they been there. Brokeback mountain in it's beauty and glory surpassed everything they had faced in their usual lives and lead them into the freedom. It was a whole new world up there and the things which would usually seemed wrong, seemed almost alright.

When Ennis found the shirts years after, he was trying to revoke Jack's scent, the same as it was on Brokeback, the place where they were young and free. I am not saying that there were no love. I am saying that love was due to their youth, sad life circumstances behind them and above all - the opportunity given in the wonder of Brokeback mountain.

Their love was in more than one way, inseparable from Brokeback. Now, I can go a step further and ask - wasn't it always like a threesome, the mountain being the third one?

 

Great Topic!

 I think Jack was saying that it was something about their experiences on Brokeback that summer that bonded them for life.  A beginning to the rest of their lives. .They loved the place they went to up there mentally, emotionally and pysically. It became  a secret place for them, the remote isolated setting was the right place, at the right time for two men who found they were right for each other after a chance meeting.

Even after four years of separation, a postcard from Jack preceded his arrival, and what was on the picture ? A mountain, not Brokeback but a picture of a mountain none the less.  A reminder I feel from Jack saying that no matter what place  they were at in their lives now, ( they were both stuck with what they got) it will never compare to how they felt on Brokeback that summer in '63' when life and love were lived in it's purest, free form.

 I think Jack thought about Ennis often during those four years and never doubted he would see him again. It was only a matter of time before Jack made a concious choice to rekindle the relationship and sought out the one he loved since 1963. Although they never actually redid Brokeback Mt. any place resemling the setting was close enough. Brokeback  was Jack's fav place  for obvious reasons, wanted his ashes spread there and Ennis knew better than anyone why.. Ol' Brokeback got us good"? yes indeed, It was a comforting statement for both of them.. . .MO.

[myprivatejack]

Yeah, they lost control. Ennis never completely (except during the reunion kiss), but they were never master of their own lives afterward.

It is interesting how BBM was so engraved in them, so much so that Jack wanted to be there in eternity... But why they never returned there???

I believe that under the difficult circumstances that both were living, they were probably deliberately avoiding to go back to BBM. The beautiful memory, the perfection of their few months spent there should never been spoiled by their present lives - troubled and separated. Maybe they didn't want to stain the memory, to make any scratch on the perfection. So they always choose other places...

As I recall it was Don Wroe's cabin (please correct me!)

Maybe it was only a simple fact of being too far away from the "real" BBM.But it could have been,as you say very well,something deliberately avoided in order not to save untouched the memories of these good times.As a matter of fact,there's a Spanish phrase that says:-"If you have been happy in a place,you should never come back"...

[myprivatejack]

I must say that Ennis's reaction is pretty surprising. After being crazy the whole day, waiting for his little darling, after losing the touch with reality and slamming jack against the wall to kiss the life put of him, after renting the room in the motel and doing what he'd been dreaming for the last 4 years, he simply concluded that "There's nothing we can do." Rather shocking! and the real cold shower fro Jack whose dreamy eyes were still on Brokeback of their love.

For me it's not surprising,and still more knowing Ennis...However,in any other person's case,I'd say that one can perfectly loose the sense of reality in the arms of one's love who has been hidden for four years and recovered almost suddenly.Even much before being by this love side,a person,Ennis in this case,can perfectly be thinking in how this reencounter will be,in what they will do,where they will go,etc.It's to say,this person can be building all his life around one's love,both with a cold head and/or with the hottest head-and everything... -.
But for me this doesn't mean that,already with the foot put on the ground and even if the same passion drives one's acts,Ennis couldn't think their situation over and get to the conclusion that this was all they can do in their relationship;meet each other "in the middle of nowhere" to make love passionately and,meanwhile,passing all the time thinking in each other.Period.Believing that there was something else they could do in a deeper and more definitive way was an utopia for Ennis; and this in spite of his craziness for meeting her true love...

[tpe]

I completely agree too..."A captive heart" is not only a precious expression,but the reality of how they felt and how they wanted to feel forever; they were free then and there to live as they wished,but they're not completely free in a "moral" sense because they belonged to each other.And they were pleased to be captured in this way...

Thanks loreen.  I think the pharse captures the rapture as well as the pain of their love.  Sometimes, they become one and the same...

[vedrana]

Great Topic!

 I think Jack was saying that it was something about their experiences on Brokeback that summer that bonded them for life.  A beginning to the rest of their lives. .They loved the place they went to up there mentally, emotionally and pysically. It became  a secret place for them, the remote isolated setting was the right place, at the right time for two men who found they were right for each other after a chance meeting.

Even after four years of separation, a postcard from Jack preceded his arrival, and what was on the picture ? A mountain, not Brokeback but a picture of a mountain none the less.  A reminder I feel from Jack saying that no matter what place  they were at in their lives now, ( they were both stuck with what they got) it will never compare to how they felt on Brokeback that summer in '63' when life and love were lived in it's purest, free form.

 I think Jack thought about Ennis often during those four years and never doubted he would see him again. It was only a matter of time before Jack made a concious choice to rekindle the relationship and sought out the one he loved since 1963. Although they never actually redid Brokeback Mt. any place resemling the setting was close enough. Brokeback  was Jack's fav place  for obvious reasons, wanted his ashes spread there and Ennis knew better than anyone why.. Ol' Brokeback got us good"? yes indeed, It was a comforting statement for both of them.. . .MO.

Thanks AF!

Liked the bold part.

I personally don't see the statement so comforting... maybe because it was one of the most hurting places at the beginning of my PBS... I feel that statement as something so fatal, so dark... As if something had happened which destroyed them, although it was supposed to be the most beautiful thing ever - the LOVE! Oh, so sad!!!!

[vedrana]

For me it's not surprising,and still more knowing Ennis...However,in any other person's case,I'd say that one can perfectly loose the sense of reality in the arms of one's love who has been hidden for four years and recovered almost suddenly.Even much before being by this love side,a person,Ennis in this case,can perfectly be thinking in how this reencounter will be,in what they will do,where they will go,etc.It's to say,this person can be building all his life around one's love,both with a cold head and/or with the hottest head-and everything... -.
But for me this doesn't mean that,already with the foot put on the ground and even if the same passion drives one's acts,Ennis couldn't think their situation over and get to the conclusion that this was all they can do in their relationship;meet each other "in the middle of nowhere" to make love passionately and,meanwhile,passing all the time thinking in each other.Period.Believing that there was something else they could do in a deeper and more definitive way was an utopia for Ennis; and this in spite of his craziness for meeting her true love...

As much as I like Ennis more and more, I'll never be able to understand him completely, although your words make sense...

[vedrana]

Maybe it was only a simple fact of being too far away from the "real" BBM.But it could have been,as you say very well,something deliberately avoided in order not to save untouched the memories of these good times.As a matter of fact,there's a Spanish phrase that says:-"If you have been happy in a place,you should never come back"...

Oh, my! How sad that is... and how applicable to BBM... 

[tpe]

I personally don't see the statement so comforting... maybe because it was one of the most hurting places at the beginning of my PBS... I feel that statement as something so fatal, so dark... As if something had happened which destroyed them, although it was supposed to be the most beautiful thing ever - the LOVE! Oh, so sad!!!!

Not sure if comforting is the right word, but I somehow get the sense of it.  I somehow feel that the statement was said in a very intimate and almost tender fashion.  To go back to the same image: as if they were willing captives...

[myprivatejack]

Thanks AF!

Liked the bold part.

I personally don't see the statement so comforting... maybe because it was one of the most hurting places at the beginning of my PBS... I feel that statement as something so fatal, so dark... As if something had happened which destroyed them, although it was supposed to be the most beautiful thing ever - the LOVE! Oh, so sad!!!!

Well,I understand what you mean,and,the same than Thomas,I don't know if "comforting" is the right word here...On one hand,it's comforting because it was what remained of these happy times; a love that made them feel well,by loving and being love.But on the other hand,the place and the feeling that was born there,is like a double edged sword.-if the meaning hasn't been lost in translation...-because it forced to be prisoners in a golden cage,that never was going to break so that they could live this love freely.This kind of willing captives,in sum.Yes,it's so sad...