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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2006, 06:17 PM »
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should we create a how did Ennis express his love? thread??

Be my guest  8)
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #61 on: Oct 16, 2007, 09:30 PM »
I'm surprised I never really replied to this back in the day.  :s)

I know some of these have been mentioned as I did a quick skim of the thread but here goes: This is where I "hear" Jack's I love you's even if no words were spoken:

"Sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it"

Stroking Ennis's cheek after hearing the story of Earl-offering comfort though his offer was just shot down.

Driving all that way a few times a year to be with Ennis.

In the confrontation scene, despite unleashing decades worth of frustration and hurt he goes again to comfort Ennis.

His desire to have his ashes scattered on BBM.

"It could be like this, just like this always"

Telling Ennis he went back the next summer to ask about a job and facing Aguirre despite being made to feel like crap he still asked about Ennis.

Sending the reunion postcard

Let's not forget the biggie (IMO) the shirts  <^( :\'( Holding Ennis inside of him for twenty years, needing to take Ennis's shirt in the first place to have some little piece of him. And in the end they were an I love you delivered from the grave.  :\'(

And not that it was something that Ennis would be aware of but the Dozy Embrace- I love that passage so much, despite it being so bittersweet- holding onto that memory for twenty years- the shared and sexless hunger.

I know there's more I'm forgetting.

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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #62 on: Oct 16, 2007, 09:48 PM »
Oh my...  :\'(
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #63 on: Oct 16, 2007, 09:58 PM »
Do we really need the words? That Ennis missed it until he found the shirts just goes to show you how much he was defended.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #64 on: Oct 16, 2007, 09:59 PM »
That's a wonderful list, LJN. God knows, sometimes actions speak so much louder than words.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #65 on: Oct 16, 2007, 10:02 PM »
Quote from: BBBOY on Oct 16, 2007, 09:58 PM
Do we really need the words? That Ennis missed it until he found the shirts just goes to show you how much he was defended.

No we don't need the words- that is still part of the beauty of this story- that those specific words weren't said but they were there nonetheless. 
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“What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."

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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #66 on: Oct 16, 2007, 10:04 PM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Oct 16, 2007, 10:02 PM
No we don't need the words- that is still part of the beauty of this story- that those specific words weren't said but they were there nonetheless. 

I know they were always there and that is enough. Good night friends.  :^^)  :gnight:
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There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken darken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.

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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #67 on: Oct 16, 2007, 10:12 PM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Oct 16, 2007, 10:02 PM
No we don't need the words- that is still part of the beauty of this story- that those specific words weren't said but they were there nonetheless. 

We don't need the words, because we can see their love so clearly. I only wish one or the other of them could have heard those words just once while they still could've done something about it. :-\\
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #68 on: Oct 16, 2007, 10:15 PM »
Yup- sigh.  :-\\ But as you said earlier- actions speak louder than words. It was what kept them coming back time after time.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #69 on: Oct 17, 2007, 11:15 AM »
For me,Jack precisely was not who must or mustn´t say "I love you" to Ennis;as all of you have said,there are a lot of ways he shows his love without needing to speak so directly.I would better ask if it is  Ennis who ever said these words to Jack,or if his favorite answer was "I don[ t know" or a unavoidable silence. :-X
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #70 on: Oct 18, 2007, 08:55 AM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Oct 16, 2007, 09:30 PM
I'm surprised I never really replied to this back in the day.  :s)

I know some of these have been mentioned as I did a quick skim of the thread but here goes: This is where I "hear" Jack's I love you's even if no words were spoken:

"Sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it"

Stroking Ennis's cheek after hearing the story of Earl-offering comfort though his offer was just shot down.

Driving all that way a few times a year to be with Ennis.

In the confrontation scene, despite unleashing decades worth of frustration and hurt he goes again to comfort Ennis.

His desire to have his ashes scattered on BBM.

"It could be like this, just like this always"

Telling Ennis he went back the next summer to ask about a job and facing Aguirre despite being made to feel like crap he still asked about Ennis.

Sending the reunion postcard

Let's not forget the biggie (IMO) the shirts  <^( :\'( Holding Ennis inside of him for twenty years, needing to take Ennis's shirt in the first place to have some little piece of him. And in the end they were an I love you delivered from the grave.  :\'(

And not that it was something that Ennis would be aware of but the Dozy Embrace- I love that passage so much, despite it being so bittersweet- holding onto that memory for twenty years- the shared and sexless hunger.

I know there's more I'm forgetting.



 Wonderful . The list is complete. "dozy embrace" where the look in Jack's eyes as he watched Ennis ride away is priceless. It has " I love you "written all over it. you just KNOW, he loves his man. Jack speaks volumes with those eyes. <^( <^( <^( #)
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #71 on: Oct 23, 2007, 09:45 AM »
Well said aintfoolin.  His eyes speak a lot in the dozy embrace scene.  Despite Jack's own pain, that love is still in his eyes as Ennis drives away from their camp site. :\'(
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #72 on: Feb 07, 2008, 11:35 PM »
I do wish that had happened, it should have.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #73 on: Feb 13, 2008, 10:43 AM »
I think no one of them needed to say what they felt to show it better;in the movie there´re several gestures and actions that speak better than words.In any case, I'd make the question changing the name and writting Ennis instead of Jack.This last demonstrated along the years how deep was his love,but at the same time,he needed some proofs by the part of Ennis; some proofs that not always were in the way he had wanted,even sometimes were all the contrary.I think that when Jack arrived at the point of giving up was because he thought he was giving too much to receive too little.Of course,he didn't realise how difficult Ennis's position was-always denying,even himself...-and how he also wished the same things Jack was asking him,how divided he was between his duties and his feelings.But,however,I keep on saying that Ennis never say "I love you" to Jack in words and,much often than it'd be advisable,in acts.
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #74 on: Feb 14, 2008, 07:06 AM »
Quote from: myprivatejack on Feb 13, 2008, 10:43 AM
I think no one of them needed to say what they felt to show it better;in the movie there´re several gestures and actions that speak better than words.In any case, I'd make the question changing the name and writting Ennis instead of Jack.This last demonstrated along the years how deep was his love,but at the same time,he needed some proofs by the part of Ennis; some proofs that not always were in the way he had wanted,even sometimes were all the contrary.I think that when Jack arrived at the point of giving up was because he thought he was giving too much to receive too little.Of course,he didn't realise how difficult Ennis's position was-always denying,even himself...-and how he also wished the same things Jack was asking him,how divided he was between his duties and his feelings.But,however,I keep on saying that Ennis never say "I love you" to Jack in words and,much often than it'd be advisable,in acts.


The words did not have to be said but it would have been nice to hear them say  it. I'd melt like a snowman in Florida! :*( <^( :c)
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #75 on: Feb 14, 2008, 07:43 AM »
Quote from: aintfoolin on Feb 14, 2008, 07:06 AM


The words did not have to be said but it would have been nice to hear them say  it.I'd melt like a snowman in Florida! :*( <^( :c)

 ;D  Very good¡ Yes.it's always better to hear these words sometimes,even if you know you're loved.We love to hear it,no?.And I suppose the poor Jack had been pleased if Ennis had told them sometimes.
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #76 on: Feb 14, 2008, 09:11 AM »
Yes, I guess it was "I love you" enough for them that it lasted whole 20 years... Still, just hear them words even once during that time would have taken all the doubt away.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #77 on: Feb 19, 2008, 11:53 AM »
when i first watched the film i was waiting for at least one of them to say it i expected jack would at some point and when it never happened i was mortified but i suppose they new they were in love with each other even if they didnt say it
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #78 on: Feb 20, 2008, 07:53 AM »
Quote from: Aurora on Feb 14, 2008, 09:11 AM
Yes, I guess it was "I love you" enough for them that it lasted whole 20 years... Still, just hear them words even once during that time would have taken all the doubt away.
Yes,it's what I think.But also that sometimes-or better said,always-facts are in front of words.And all a life of denials and frustrations in Jack's dreams of them living together,deserved clearly a Love's demonstration in words,at least. %)
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #79 on: Mar 14, 2008, 11:07 AM »
Can words ever completely express the feeling of true love? What they had was so pure, so beautiful, so deep, so true, that it was beyond words. They both knew how they felt about each other. Ennis knew Jack truly loved him and Jack knew Ennis truly loved him. They felt like they were a part of each other, they were connected in such a profound and spirtual way. They both knew true love had found them, it was a feeling that resonated in every part of their beings and souls.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #80 on: Mar 14, 2008, 11:37 AM »
in my last posted i said i was morified that jack never said i love you but that was because i was in like the first stage of PBS, now looking back on it in hind sight i suppose in manyways actions speak louder then words true jack never said these three woeds "I LOVE YOU" but it was clearly written accross his face it was shown in all things he did i also feel this the same for ennis why say "i love you" when you can show it in such deeper ways.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #81 on: Mar 15, 2008, 06:36 PM »
Quote from: zankou1991 on Mar 14, 2008, 11:37 AM
in my last posted i said i was morified that jack never said i love you but that was because i was in like the first stage of PBS, now looking back on it in hind sight i suppose in manyways actions speak louder then words true jack never said these three woeds "I LOVE YOU" but it was clearly written accross his face it was shown in all things he did i also feel this the same for ennis why say "i love you" when you can show it in such deeper ways.

You´re so right,Matthew¡ ^f^  As I had written in my former signature:"... where words are life´s tinsels".And doubtless that in this case,words are tinsels.
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Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #82 on: Mar 16, 2008, 07:00 AM »
One of my favorite Thomas More quotations is used in "A Man for All Seasons":

"God more regards the thoughts of the heart than the words of the mouth."

Anyone can say "I love you"; it's living it that's the real test.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #83 on: Mar 16, 2008, 07:05 AM »
Quote from: welshwitch on Mar 16, 2008, 07:00 AM
One of my favorite Thomas More quotations is used in "A Man for All Seasons":

"God more regards the thoughts of the heart than the words of the mouth."

Anyone can say "I love you"; it's living it that's the real test.

nice post short but true :)
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #84 on: Jul 10, 2008, 10:51 AM »
Quote from: Krispera on Feb 18, 2006, 09:43 PM
He didn't and it is the power of this movie. Love doesn't need to be told!

So true. I couldn't describe it better myself. He don't actually say the words "I love you", but still, there are many moments, where you can tell, that he does love him. He really didn't needed to say the words.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #85 on: Jul 10, 2008, 11:40 AM »
Its funny 'cause til i saw this thread i didnt even think about the fact that Jack didnt actually say the words "i love you" to Ennis at any point, as i just knew he did and i didnt for a second need to hear him say it. The power and emotion in this film show the love that Jack has for Ennis in a more stronger, moving way than Jack simply saying "i love you". When i saw this thread i actually was surprised to reaslise that those words arent said as it is so clear there is so much love there and that Jack did love him.  <^(

More proof how this film is so amazing ..through the acting, the emotions, the feelings, we feel the love instead of hearing it being said as just simple words.  #)
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #86 on: Jul 10, 2008, 03:23 PM »
Jack's eyes spoke volumes every time they looked into Ennis's they were going deep into Ennis's soul. He didn't have to say a word. To me that was much more powerful and moving than hearing him actually say it.
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #87 on: Jul 10, 2008, 08:01 PM »
I'm not sure if I posted this here before, I remember posting it in the Double meaning thread...  Anyway, this is the closest Jack ever been about saying I love you to Ennis:

Truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it

This usually starts me up  :\'(

Like it is now  :\'( :\'( :\'(

***sigh***
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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #88 on: Jul 11, 2008, 07:24 AM »
Quote from: chameau on Jul 10, 2008, 08:01 PM
I'm not sure if I posted this here before, I remember posting it in the Double meaning thread...  Anyway, this is the closest Jack ever been about saying I love you to Ennis:

Truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it

This usually starts me up  :\'(

Like it is now  :\'( :\'( :\'(

***sigh***

Verbally, I do think this is the closest Jack ever got.

Non-verbally, it must be the look he gave Ennis as he was riding away after the Dozy Embrace.

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Re: Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
« Reply #89 on: Jul 11, 2008, 08:26 AM »
Quote from: tpe on Jul 11, 2008, 07:24 AM
Verbally, I do think this is the closest Jack ever got.

Non-verbally, it must be the look he gave Ennis as he was riding away after the Dozy Embrace.



That's right, Thomas!! I totally agree. ^f^
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