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This film had very few dialogues , so whatsoever dialogues were exchanged we do remember each of them !!! along with the voice tonalities. I particularly remember one rare from Jack " I may be back" the accent + the softness in tonality wrenches the heart  :_( .. whats ur fav ?
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Re: voice tonalities .. the ones which touch your heart
« Reply #1 on: Aug 04, 2012, 06:49 PM »
This film had very few dialogues , so whatsoever dialogues were exchanged we do remember each of them !!! along with the voice tonalities. I particularly remember one rare from Jack " I may be back" the accent + the softness in tonality wrenches the heart  :_( .. whats ur fav ?

My fav is from Jack, the night before the last confrontation: The truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can't hardly stand it! Poor Jack, it was a love declaration and Ennis remained silent!  :-\\
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Re: voice tonalities .. the ones which touches your heart
« Reply #2 on: Aug 05, 2012, 02:06 PM »
This film had very few dialogues , so whatsoever dialogues were exchanged we do remember each of them !!! along with the voice tonalities. I particularly remember one rare from Jack " I may be back" the accent + the softness in tonality wrenches the heart  :_( .. whats ur fav ?

You are right, there is something very sad and heart-wrenching in his voice's tonality (and on his face, too :(). There is also a kind of hope in his voice at that moment.

As Forever, I like very much "The truth is..."

"It's nobody's business but ours"... Jack's voice is so sad.

At the end of the last confrontation : "I can't stand being like this no more, Jack"... despair, pain, powerlessness in Ennis's voice :_(

To finish on a funny note : "No more beans!!!" Jack is sick of beans and we can notice this in his voice!
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Re: voice tonalities .. the ones which touches your heart
« Reply #3 on: Aug 05, 2012, 02:46 PM »
This film had very few dialogues , so whatsoever dialogues were exchanged we do remember each of them !!! along with the voice tonalities. I particularly remember one rare from Jack " I may be back" the accent + the softness in tonality wrenches the heart  :_( .. whats ur fav ?

poor guy cant even deliver his dialogues properly .. schoolkid accent ...and thats what u guys pick up as "heart-wrenching"

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« Reply #4 on: Aug 05, 2012, 02:52 PM »
poor guy cant even deliver his dialogues properly .. schoolkid accent ...and thats what u guys pick up as "heart-wrenching"

why ? i felt he put a lot behind it .. lot of heart , i loved the accent too  ::)
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 05, 2012, 02:57 PM »
You are right, there is something very sad and heart-wrenching in his voice's tonality (and on his face, too :(). There is also a kind of hope in his voice at that moment.

As Forever, I like very much "The truth is..."

"It's nobody's business but ours"... Jack's voice is so sad.

At the end of the last confrontation : "I can't stand being like this no more, Jack"... despair, pain, powerlessness in Ennis's voice :_(

To finish on a funny note : "No more beans!!!" Jack is sick of beans and we can notice this in his voice!


yes BBMsheep "It's nobody's business but ours"... (serious+melancholy) and "The truth is..." amazing soft sad voice ...what would i say "love-voice" with a hint of hope , may be he was hoping he would get some response

but then even ennis's
"whut" would be there.. how can you describe the tone of voice ?? :s) confusion+liking+friendly
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Re: voice tonalities .. the ones which touches your heart
« Reply #6 on: Aug 05, 2012, 03:03 PM »
why ? i felt he put a lot behind it .. lot of heart , i loved the accent too  ::)


 ~) there seems to b loads of fans

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« Reply #7 on: Aug 05, 2012, 03:06 PM »

 ~) there seems to b loads of fans

yes cheers for both ennis and jack  <^( .. lets get back to the topic
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 08, 2012, 03:51 PM »
As the discussion has turned to "voice tonalities" I thought some might like to read this account of the training Heath and Jake underwent in preparation for their parts. Somewhere else there's a discussion of how they differentiated their "younger" voices from their "older" ones but I can't seem to find that. If I do, I'll pass it along.


Brokeback Mountain’s Dialect Coach

Wednesday, March 1st, 2006

By Penelope Whitney

“How do you make an Aussie and a California boy sound so convincingly cowboy that their accents aren’t even noticed?”

Brokeback Mountain dialect coach Joy Ellison has a voice so velvet smooth you want to curl up into it. She also has pretty green eyes and long red hair, and when she switches flawlessly from a Texas to Russian accent it’s hard not to wonder if she really is some kind of James Bond spy.

Then you find out that when preparing for her work on Brokeback she actually hid a microphone up her sleeve. This was in a roughneck bar in Riverton, Wyoming, the kind of place where people are especially sensitive to being taped. “I held my beer up and leaned my elbow on the bar,” she says, “Then I just starting asking questions about the town and what had changed.” By the time she and actress Michelle Williams roadtripped through Wyoming and up to Calgary (where the movie was shot), she’d pinpointed the sounds that would make Brokeback believable.

The work of a dialect coach includes phonetics, but more than anything it’s about having an ear. “I’ve always been good at picking up languages,” Ellison says. “The major basis of this work is to hear something, recognize it, and analyze it.”

As a child actor in California on shows like Andy Griffith, Ellison grew up on sets — but the acting bug didn’t stick. She found her true calling when she began working as a dialect coach. After her first job, when Isabella Rossellini begged her to stay and help hone her German accent, there was no turning back. Since then, Ellison has helped Melanie Griffith with an Alabama accent, Eric Bana do Israeli, and Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger pull off Wyoming.

How does someone who’s not from a culture parachute in and capture a precise local dialect? How do you make an Aussie and a California boy sound so convincingly cowboy that their accents aren’t even noticed?

It starts with the writing, says Ellison. “They don’t all walk around saying ‘Can’t swing a cat without hitting a Dairy Queen.’” Once you have a beautiful script like Brokeback Mountain, it comes down to the essence of the sound. “Wyoming has some Canadian dialect influences. They’ll say ‘oh no,’ with that little rounded mouth. Another vowel that really identifies Wyoming is the ‘i’ in pineapple. It’s very slight, say, compared to Texas where they’d say “pineapple upsy-ide down cake’ with a longer stress on that ‘i.’”

To work with Gyllenhaal, Ellison sat down with the script and went line by line to break down the major sounds. From there, she’d go back through the script and find those sounds in his dialogue and make lists. “Jake might have a line like, ‘I’m trying to buy the fried eggs.’ So I’d go back and go ‘I try fry,’ take all those words out so he starts to recognize that sound in all its forms.”

Not overdoing the accent is vital to making the voice authentic — Ellison calls it 75 percent of the challenge. “Jake was funny because at the end of the movie he said to me, ‘I know, I know, pull it back.’ “Because,” she shifts to a twangy Texas accent, “he always wanted to go real strong, y’know, TEXAS.”

The two Brokeback actors had wildly different approaches. “Jake is theater trained and analytical, and pulls acting apart intellectually,” says Ellison. “Heath is very seat of the pants, in the moment, his mind is going a million directions all at once. So as an actor it was even a greater stretch for him to play this character.”

Ledger’s speech caused a stir in the dialect coach world due to the way he held his lip, as if he were chewing tobacco. “A lot of the guys that we met and voice samples we had were guys that were chewing,” Ellison explains. “We even talked about him keeping a piece of paper or gum there all the time, and then we thought that would be impractical. It so suited his character to keep that lower lip in that position that cowboys do when they’ve got chew.”

“Other dialect coaches have said, ‘What is that thing that he’s doing, why is he holding his lip like that? That was a weird choice.’ Afterward they thought it worked.”

Joy raves about director Ang Lee’s dedication to detail (”Ang knew the eyeshadow color ladies in Wyoming wore in 1963″). The Taiwanese native was also a quick study of American accents. “A couple of times during the shoot when someone would go way off with their accent, Ang would look at me and say, ‘Joy, was that right?’ He could hear the difference.”

Ellison is deep into her next movie, working with Catherine Zeta Jones on location in New York City. If you find yourself in a downtown bar and a pretty redhead starts asking too many questions, ask what she has up her sleeve. Your accent could be next.

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Re: voice tonalities .. the ones which touches your heart
« Reply #9 on: Aug 10, 2012, 01:00 PM »

yes BBMsheep "It's nobody's business but ours"... (serious+melancholy) and "The truth is..." amazing soft sad voice ...what would i say "love-voice" with a hint of hope , may be he was hoping he would get some response

but then even ennis's
"whut" would be there.. how can you describe the tone of voice ?? :s) confusion+liking+friendly

Yes, I agree, seriousness, melancholy and a kind of sadness because he feels that Ennis is not comfortable at all with what happen between them :-\\

Concerning "The truth is...", you are right, amazing soft sad voice... I think that there is a kind of despair too, because after all these years, the situation is the same. And yes, I think he was hoping for a gesture, a word from Ennis...

The WHUT is above all funny ;D I really liked that moment. And yes, he is wondering why Jack is looking at him like that. What you said + interrogation, curiosity maybe.


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Re: voice tonalities .. the ones which touches your heart
« Reply #10 on: Aug 10, 2012, 01:03 PM »
As the discussion has turned to "voice tonalities" I thought some might like to read this account of the training Heath and Jake underwent in preparation for their parts. Somewhere else there's a discussion of how they differentiated their "younger" voices from their "older" ones but I can't seem to find that. If I do, I'll pass it along.


Thank you Chowhound, this article is very interesting O0
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 17, 2012, 04:34 PM »
Thank you Chowhound, this article is very interesting O0

Hi BBMsheep. Glad to hear that you found the article interesting. It's the sort of detail I find intriguing but I suspect, for some, knowing about how something was achieved might destroy the "magic" of the performance or movie, especially in the case of Brokeback.

I at last tracked down where the discussion can be found of Jack and Ennis's different voices as they age. It's in a piece called "Voices of Brokeback" and essentially consists of a wide ranging discussion between a number of the people involved in the movie about a number of different topics. Here is what Jake Gyllenhaal has to say about the three "voices" of Ennis and Jack:

Jake Gyllenhaal: Joy set up three voices, three separate marks in the script, for Heath and I. Our voices change; they get progressively deeper.

Joy Ellison (dialect coach): Ang and I spent a lot of time talking about the voices and the accents, because he was very concerned about the authenticity of this – as he is with everything. We divided the periods into three sequences, which was a challenge for the actors because shooting was out of sequence. They had to maintain continuity. We named the voices Voice One, Two, and Three. In one day, the actor might shoot a scene in Voice Three – the older, deeper, slower voice – and then the next scene might be Voice One, which had more vitality and was perhaps higher.

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« Reply #12 on: Aug 19, 2012, 09:21 AM »
As usual CH, your complete attention to detail and thoroughness in the subject is cause for both awe and reverence.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 19, 2012, 03:26 PM »
To quote somebody else, Jackster, after a compliment had been given  -  "too kind...much too kind".

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« Reply #14 on: Aug 27, 2012, 04:44 AM »
Hi BBMsheep. Glad to hear that you found the article interesting. It's the sort of detail I find intriguing but I suspect, for some, knowing about how something was achieved might destroy the "magic" of the performance or movie, especially in the case of Brokeback.

I at last tracked down where the discussion can be found of Jack and Ennis's different voices as they age. It's in a piece called "Voices of Brokeback" and essentially consists of a wide ranging discussion between a number of the people involved in the movie about a number of different topics. Here is what Jake Gyllenhaal has to say about the three "voices" of Ennis and Jack:

Jake Gyllenhaal: Joy set up three voices, three separate marks in the script, for Heath and I. Our voices change; they get progressively deeper.

Joy Ellison (dialect coach): Ang and I spent a lot of time talking about the voices and the accents, because he was very concerned about the authenticity of this – as he is with everything. We divided the periods into three sequences, which was a challenge for the actors because shooting was out of sequence. They had to maintain continuity. We named the voices Voice One, Two, and Three. In one day, the actor might shoot a scene in Voice Three – the older, deeper, slower voice – and then the next scene might be Voice One, which had more vitality and was perhaps higher.

This three voices "story" is so interesting and exciting! Thank you very much, as Jackster I really like your preciseness!  O0
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