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Offline MKV

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The fighting scene in the SS
« on: Mar 15, 2013, 04:30 AM »
Maybe this one has been discussed in earlier threads, but I am wondering about the scene in the SS where Ennis and Jack fight, it's on one of the last pages of the SS, the quote "because Ennis had suddenly swung from the deck and laid the ministering angel out in the wild columbine, wings folded". What does that mean???  :s)
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Re: The fighting scene in the SS
« Reply #1 on: Mar 15, 2013, 03:33 PM »
Hello MKV:

Don't know whereabouts you're from, but this sentence is chock full of what Annie Proulx is really good at, the use of vernacular slang as either words or phrases. So, if you're from a different culture some of these might not make much sense at all. In terms of the meaning of the sentence itself, it is fairly accurately translated into graphic action in the movie (though much earlier than where it appears in the SS) - Jack is trying to nurse Ennis's bloody nose, when Ennis suddenly and unexpectedly swings a punch at Jack, hitting him in the face, knocking him on his ass, stunning him both physically and psychologically.

I'm no etymologist but I'll take a shot at trying to make sense of some of these phrases:

swung from the deck - this might originate with actions taking place on the deck of a ship when objects are swung around rather dramatically and violently during unloading. It might also be related to the swinging of a baseball bat when the batter is next up, this position is known as being "on-deck" and the batter swings the bat around trying to loosen himself up. In either case it is sort of a wild and large swing, which is what Ennis took at Jack with his fist.

ministering angel - Jack of course is the angel who is ministering (tending to the needs of others) to Ennis's bloody nose.

laid . . . . out - Jack being sprawled out on the ground from Ennis's punch.

wild columbine - a wild flower native to North America that would have covered the hillside.

wing folded - wings being Jack's arms, which are folded in as he tries to recover from Ennis's sudden and unexpected punches.

Interesting question, hope this helps. 'Course this is just my idea, others may have somewhat different thoughts . . . :P
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Re: The fighting scene in the SS
« Reply #2 on: Mar 15, 2013, 05:32 PM »
 :t) Thanks, helps a lot! I'm from Norway so I'm not familiar with the vernacular slang, but with your help this sentence became much more understandable! I'm writing an essay on BBM, where I will explore, through comparison, how the relationship between Ennis and Jack develops in the short- story and how this is presented in the film, and this scene in the short story is of some significance to my essay. Love the short story, love the film! Again, thanks a lot!  :h}

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Re: The fighting scene in the SS
« Reply #3 on: Mar 16, 2013, 05:01 AM »
Is this essay for your classroom project? May we read it when you are finished with the project?
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Re: The fighting scene in the SS
« Reply #4 on: Mar 16, 2013, 05:50 AM »
It's a semester essay which will end up being my final exam along with an oral exam in June. The course title is "Literature and Film" and it's on a bachelor’s degree level. We read texts from different historical periods and from across the English-speaking world, and I chose to write my essay on BBM because I really love this story! I just hope I manage to write the essay the way my head wants it to be, and that my supervisor gets pleased with it! We also have to discuss different theories about adaptation, and that's the boring part of this essay...  ^o

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Re: The fighting scene in the SS
« Reply #5 on: Mar 16, 2013, 10:58 PM »
It's a semester essay which will end up being my final exam along with an oral exam in June. The course title is "Literature and Film" and it's on a bachelor’s degree level. We read texts from different historical periods and from across the English-speaking world, and I chose to write my essay on BBM because I really love this story! I just hope I manage to write the essay the way my head wants it to be, and that my supervisor gets pleased with it! We also have to discuss different theories about adaptation, and that's the boring part of this essay...  ^o

 :h}

I feel the key to top marks will be to do as you say and write as per your head and not heart, as it is easy to get carried away by emotion and miss the "technical aspects" of the adaption, which is most interesting to me.

We see E Annie P says it is NOT about the 2 boys, but about a "situation and time", but in a SS she has no space to develop anything about the women, even though she sets the time as dead in the middle of Women's Affirmative Action beginning 1970 [whereas Homosexual Affirmative Action began in 1980, towards the end of the story].

BUT along comes a MAN, ie Ang and deals in great detail with SEVEN different examples of how Women's AA did or did not affect them.

To me that provides an amazing juxtapositioning in the adaption given what Margot Channing kept reminding us in All About Eve that as mere men we could not possibly understand what Dylan calls The Gates of Eden.

For mine the Lashawn character is the most fascinating and the situation Ang sets up at the Dance very complex, and daring you to identify who she is based upon, and what delicious sexual references that adds into the simple interpretation of the movie about so called "gay rights", which is obviously totally necessary for the box office.

So IMHO your choice is fantastic, but to compose the document in full you might be looking at War & Peace and not just some bloodied shirts  :s)

BTW where in Norway do you live?
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Re: The fighting scene in the SS
« Reply #6 on: Mar 17, 2013, 10:44 AM »
Thanks wongadonga for an interesting reply! I've changed some parts of my essay, actually leaving the bloodied shirts out ;)

I live in the west of Norway, but I'm originally from the beautiful Northern Norway! I've been to Australia once, New South Wales, really loved it and I need to go back there someday!!

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Re: The fighting scene in the SS
« Reply #7 on: Mar 17, 2013, 08:11 PM »
Thanks wongadonga for an interesting reply! I've changed some parts of my essay, actually leaving the bloodied shirts out ;)

I live in the west of Norway, but I'm originally from the beautiful Northern Norway! I've been to Australia once, New South Wales, really loved it and I need to go back there someday!!

yes indeed, my own "Brokeback Experience" was a 2 week period of 24 hour sunlight up there in Northern Norway/Sweden in the summer of 1970 [crossed West from Sweden to Norway on return leg at Trondheim latitude and finally down South to Oslo].

It is a long [heterosexual] story and OMG your post has actually started me out to write my "life story" with that European Backpacking Tour being a pivotal point in my life in a place "where time stood still".

I thank you greatly.
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