Topic: Index of BBM Discussion - See What Topics Have Been Discussed

[ethan]

Last updated: July 20, 2006

There have been so many interesting topics and discussion in this forum about BBM. To make it easier, all the topics are indexed based on the timeline of the scenes (thanks to jerasjr for making the timeline of scenes) so you know what have been discussed.

It will be continuously updated on a regular basis. Please feel free to join the discussion. If you don't find what you are looking for, you can do "search" located on the top of the page http://www.ennisjack.com/forum/index.php?action=search or start a new topic.



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General Discussion

How many lies were told?
Talking about love
Shining and Marksmanship
Priceless
short movie sequences in bbm - spoiler
Social position and attitude
How about some trivia questions
virility and authenticity...
My Unanswered Questions What Are Yours??? - Possible spoilers
The River and The Closet
If All is Lost, What Remains?
Surreptitious Glances
Some lines I couldn’t hear clearly
Wanting to See More
Riverton? How did Jack know?
What does The Wings mean?
Gay Rural Depictions
Lame Technical Questions : Camp Tender vs. Herder
We can’t watch BBM legally yet
What do you think about their aging?
Love is NOT a force of nature
Movies in a class with Brokeback Mountain
What if…?
Three what ifs
Just an odd thought
Betrayal and Renewal
Why postcards?
Old West, New West

Viewings

From friendship to intimacy – how convinced were you?
For the lucky buggers…possible spoilers
Yet another viewing – possible spoilers
When you slow it down, you sure catch a lot of tidbits!
Love is a force of nature
What is the scene you dislike the most?
My unanswered questions what are yours?
Different Version of the film?
What do you think about their aging?
Should the film have added/subtracted more? - possible spoilers
BBM Moments that Make you Smile ---- Spoiler ----
The “contrasts” in this movie
What I wish isn't in the movie
What's New? Insights Gleaned from Multiple Viewings

From Story to Screenplay

Subtle but significant difference in story to movie texts
Mumbled Words
Some lines I could not hear clearly
Does anyone know what Red-lined all the way means?
BBM Language Translation Thread

Characters

Are Heath and Jake the ones you have in mind as Ennis and Jack?
Borderline in acting
Which character are you more drawn to?
One word to describe ennis/jack
The boys entry
Keeper of the fire
The way Ennis said his name to Cassie
Are they real names?
Not brightest bulbs..but oh so adorable
What did Heath and Jake bring to their characters?
Actors that become….
Are Ennis, Alma, & Jack considered "white trash?"
Ennis, Jack and other women
The Meanings of Del Mar & Twist

Relationship between Ennis & Jack

When Did YOU first see the hint of feelings between them?
Was Ennis Pulling Back? (Possible Spoiler)
What are the reasons for Jack to like Ennis?
Ennis and Jack's love situation- what do you think?
Jack and Ennis -- bisexual or gay or human?
jack and ennis - "equals"? one dominant party?
Did Jack and Ennis Really Talk to Each Other - Spoiler
How did Ennis and Jack keep contact?
Ennis' Fierce and Possessive Love for Jack - Spoilers
Did Jack ever say 'I love you' to Ennis?
How about Ennis and Jack's jobs?
Keeper of the fire
Did Jack and Ennis have friends?
From friendship to intimacy - how convinced were you?
When did they start to fall in love?
The more I see it--The more I realize how much in love Jack was with Ennis
What if Jack hadn’t found Ennis after 4 years?
All the emotions between Ennis and Jack
Talking about love
Did Jack finally give up on Ennis?
Which love speaks to you?
A short summary of Jack and Ennis’s love situation by Ang Lee..It might help
Which is greater sorrow?
Who is more faithful? Jack or Ennis?
20 years not talking about it?
so why postcards
Who is the woman in the relationship?
Why Did They Not?
Jake and Ennis not jealous of women but Ennis livid about Mexico
Has anybody wondered?

Ennis

Ennis never knew....
Ennis...pathetic looking
Poverty
Ennis and Jack Talk
Anger and Sympathy toward Ennis
Was Ennis gay?
About Ennis
By the end of the film, has Ennis made any move toward self-acceptance?
The Cruelty of Ennis Del Mar - Spoiler
Ennis's future
Was Ennis Pulling Back?
The way Ennis said his name to Cassie
Ennis & Cassie
Did Ennis have a souvenir of Brokeback?
Ennis’s shirt
Ledger’s accent
The hate letter Ennis doesn’t want us to see
Kinda silly, but what’s with Ennis smelling everything?
9 Year-old Ennis Del Mar

Jack

When Did Jack Decide?
jack’s stubbornness
Jack Twist broke my heart
Jack, a player??? No.
How did Jack die?
Jack Twist ending
Do you think that Jack was gay? Or straight, but in love?
Jack (By the numbers…)
Why did not Jack divorce Lureen?
Red Jack – Any significance?
When did Jack decide?
Jack and the Draft
The first time we see Jack....
did jack have a vision of some sort while being filled up?
Is it possible that....?
Jack's Love for Ennis
How did Jack know to make a move on Ennis...?

Kids of BBM

Jack Jr. and Francine
Alma Jr. and daddy Ennis
Do you think that the girls know their dad like his guy?
What is the second daughter’s name?
Alma Junior's Changing eye color?
Jack’s son
What is the second daughter’s name?
Alma Jr.
Francine & Jenny
"Maybe he’s not the marrying kind" - Alma Jr - Did she know?

Alma & Lureen

Did Lureen have Jack killed?
Questions regarding Alma
Did Alma love Ennis?
The devil in Ms. Alma
Alma & Lureen – unforgettable female characters – your thoughts?
Did Lureen Know?

Cassie

What about Cassie Cartwright?
Ennis & Cassie

Jack’s parents and others
John Twist - Secret Life?
Why Joe Aguirre didn’t expose two boys?
Jack's dad
The Importance of Jack's Dad
Jack's mother
Joe Aquirre's comment and observations
The Pronunciation of Aguirre
Woody Harrelson with Alma at the drive in??
The actress who plays LaShawn...
Ennis and Jack's mom

BBM scene line

Opening

Hidden Symbol in opening scene?
Two similar scenes
Brown paper bags

At the trailer(Aguirre's Office)

Joe Aquirre’s Car

Lame Technical Questions : Camp Tender vs. Herder
The clouds in the scene where Jack and Ennis first meet
The boys entry
Sleep? But where ? lol

At the bar
Walk to bar

Moving the sheep to BBM  

Alllotments
The dog on Brokeback Mountain
The significance of soup
Carrying the lamb

Their life on BBM
   Ennis carving horse
Did Ennis give it? Or it’s just my imagination?

   Jack shoots at wolf & No more beans
I don’t want
Bettermost Beans
The significance of soup

   Ennis meets bear

Ennis humming before he meets the bear

   Jack tends to Ennis' wound
   Ennis shoots elk   
After shooting the elk?

   Ennis takes over tending sheep
Pretty Good with a Can Opener
Ennis bathes
spilled beans scene
   Jack flicks belt buckle
Ennis “What?”
”Hell, that most I’ve spoke in a year
Jack pouring Whiskey?
Jack flicking his belt buckle
Jack’s boots in the fire

   Jack "dances"
When jack danced for ennis

   Jack plays harmonica
What is Jack playing on harmonica?
   Water walking Jesus
Maybe you’re a sinner…
Methodist & Pendtecost

Tent scene #1
Does Anyone hear "Sorry"
First Night in Tent
Jack says "F*ck Me!" in 1st tent scene!!! - *Spoiler*
Love Scenes
1st Tent Scene
Something that surprised me re: First tent scene - Spoiler
Meaning of The Love Scene *Spoiler*
1.st tent scene
Why the tent scene at that very moment?
What did Ennis or Jack say in the first tent scene? (Spoiler)
their first time
Meaning of the Love Scene
The first time
First Tent Scene....Little Error?
Ennis/Jack skipped breakfast after FNIT?

After the first tent

the morning after - possible spoiler
Jack, washing clothes in the river

Ennis finds dead sheep

'dead sheep' scene - spoilers
Question about a scene – A pole with something?

Jack washes clothes
Doing laundry in the river – was it his undies?

"Ain't Queer"
One shot deal
Sitting on the mountain together

Tent scene #2

Significance of Ennis entering the Tent *Spoiler*
What did Jack/Ennis say in 2nd tent scene?
interesting piece of triva re: jack and ennis kiss 2nd nite in tent

Aquirre spies
Cure Pneumonia - Aguirre

Tent #3, hail

the herds mix

The mixing of the sheep
We gotta stick this out

Tent #4, Ennis in the snow

Leaving BBM
   lasso scene

Symbolism of lasso scene – bondage?
wrestling scenes
Ennis’s shirt
Leaving Brokeback Mountain - possible spoilers

1st. parting

When Jack steals Ennis' shirt
   Jack drives away
   Ennis' reaction
Ennis breaking down in alleyway after leaving Jack
"I might be back" - Ennis & Jack parting

Ennis-Alma marry
Woody Harrelson with Alma at the drive in??
Alma and Ennis at the movies
Toboggan

Jack and Aguirre the next year

Stemming the rose
Etymology Query for “Stem the Rose”

Jack at rodeo
   rodeo clown

Rodeo Clown Scene - possible spoilers

Ennis-Alma at ranch
alma hanging up laundry
Did anyone find it strange
Ennis’s pajama
Can you have good sex?
Not so lonely like you were raised

4th of July    
Fourth of July Firework - spoiler
      
Jack and Lureen meet

At the grocery store

Jack's son born

Ennis and Alma's apartment

Jack's postcard

First postcard writing
Fishing buddies
Riverton? How did Jack know?
What is Ennis mouthing with his lips after reading the postcard?
Postcard
so why postcards

Ennis waits for Jack            
Reunion
Jack whispering "Ennis!!" during the first reunion scene:
Reunion scene
The reunion Embrace
Jack F***king Twist
Ennis and Jack’s reunion
Could you hear Ennis whisper “later” after the 1st reunion kiss?
Alma invites Jack for coffee
What were they expecting at the reunion?

Motel

Ennis/Motel

fishing trip        

Toothbrush scene
Red Jack – Any significance?
Jack not going for coffee after reunion

cliff dive

stuntman
Does anyone know why Jake used a double in the nude cliff-jumping scene?

"It could be like this" "Prayer of thanks"

Ennis: Sending up a prayer of thanks
Question about "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it" - spoiler?

Ennis' divorce

If you don’t want no more my kids, I’ll be happy to leave you alone

Jack rushes to Ennis

A Deep Hurt
Our divorce becomes final today
Meeting Ennis with his daughters
Question about a scene – When Ennis met Jack after his divorce
the white truck

Jack goes to Mexico                        

Mexico
Hustler in Mexico
Jack in Mexico?
Anyone that speaks Mexican?

Thanksgiving
at Jack's
Thanksgiving Scene
"You want your son to grow up to be a man.....?"
Bobby eating clam chowder?
"Stud Duck”


at Alma's
Why didn’t they catch any fish?

Another fishing trip

Ennis meets Cassie

Ennis & Cassie
How about the castration?
The way Ennis said his name to Cassie

Jack and Lureen, Randall and LaShawn at the dance

Jack & Lureen & LaShawn & Her Hubby Scene in the Nightclub scene...
jack and randall...and woman powdering their nose

Alma Jr. meets Cassie

Alma Jr. Meets Cassie
"Maybe he’s not the marrying kind" - Alma Jr - Did she know?

Final BBM

Jack and ranch foreman

final tent scene
4th Tent Scene - *Spoiler*

Heartbreaking moment
All them THINGS that I don't know
It's because of you, Jack, that I'm like this... - spoilers
It’s because of you, Jack, that I’m like this – I’m nothing..I’m nowhere
How far will you go for a couple of high-altitude fks?
The Word "Quit"
Jake and Ennis not jealous of women but Ennis livid about Mexico
Let me be scene
What does Ennis say in the last argument
Jack: If you don't never know the rest....
What happens after "I honestly can't stand this anymore Jack" at the lake?

Flashback & Embrace from Behind
The remembered embrace, and "shared, sexless hunger..."
Flashback scene
Flashback scene - spoiler
…and sing to me….
Ennis and Jack eyes closed…wonder
Ennis Holding Jack
Ennis humming

Ennis in diner

The word - fun
Ennis in Greyhound Station

Postcard returned

What was Ennis’s message on the postcard?

Ennis talks to Lureen - the phone call & Jack’s death

Timeline of Last Scenes - Spoilers!
How did Jack die? - possible spoiler
Jack Twist ending
Ennis’s call, Lureen and returned mail
Lureen’s teeth at the end
Oprah question: “Did Lureen Know?”
Did Lureen know?
What if…?
What was the real story behind Jack’s death? And 2 more questions
Drowned in his own blood.
Why cremation?
Jack's last moment
Re: tire iron scene. Enter at own risk.


At the Twist farm
Ashes – possible spoiler
Did Jack’s mom know?


In Jack's room
Ennis says "I love you" in closet scene - Spoiler
Did Ennis give it? Or it’s just my imagination?
Shirts – why at Jack’s parents?
Wood Carving in Jack’s room
Ennis looking outside through Jack's bedroom window
Ennis Tears

Alma Jr. visits Ennis & the trailer
"This Kurt fella...does he love you?"
Knives on counter in trailer scene - significance
last scene with alma jr. - possible spoiler
Another Symbol?

Ennis opens closet – Ending
Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
Ennis’s last words “Jack, I swear….
The last line from Ennis
Ennis's shirt
Until the shirts...
What is the significance of the ending in the movie?
Ennis trailer – close-ups of television set?
Until the shirts…
Shirts
Shirts - Question

Credits

Scenes in general

Your Favorite Scene of the Movie - (possible spoiler)
Your favourite fight scene *spoiler*
Question about a scene... (spoiler)
Ennis and Jack in the truck
Bobby eating clam chowder?
Scene cut short in movie.
short movie sequences in bbm - spoilers
Toothbrush Scene
Love scene
Thanksgiving scene
Two similar scenes
spilled beans scene - possible spoilers
"Our D-I-V-O-R-C-E becomes final today"
Any Cut Scenes?
Should the film had added/subtracted more?
Wanting to see more
What is the scene you dislike the most? (spoiler)
the deleted scene from Jack's childhood

Meanings & Symbols

The word "Brokeback" as a metaphor for
Symbolic meaning of mirrors and other props
Mail Box & 17 - possible significance
Brokeback Mountain Symbols Thread
What does The Wings mean?
Does anyone know what Red-lined all the way means...
The Clouds are Spelling out Love??
Hidden symbol in opening scene?
The Significance of Names
Shirts - possible spoiler
Stemming the rose
Two similar scenes
Ennis’ horse, Cigar butt
Beaver fever
JT’s Bar & the “Brokeback” title
Brokeback Eden?
If all lost, what remains?
Meaning of the Love Scene
Mountain visits in mythology
Another bookend
What was Mr. Lee telling us?
Surreptitious Glances
Jack’s coat
Tents – simple shelter
To his knees
Another symbol?
Double Meanings in BBM Lines
The Meanings of Del Mar & Twist
A Vision of Hats

Continue to the next post

[jrfh50]

Places & Location

Wyoming Map
The Wind and Weather in "Brokeback Mountain"
Film Location
Town of Crossfield, Alberta, Canada - location of BBM movie
Riverton? How did Jack know?
Character Names and Towns
Name of Brokebackl


Quotes
Quotes
Brokeback Mountain Quotes & Trivia
Poll- Your Favorite Quote
BBM Recital

From Ennis

The Ennis Quote of I Can't Stand This Anymore
Jack F***king Twist
little darlin' - possible spoiler!
Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
"One shot deal"
It's because of you, Jack, that I'm like this... - spoilers
Question about "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it" - spoiler?
"This Kurt fella...does he love you?"
The Word Fun
...and sing to me... - possible spoilers
"two guys livin' together...no way"
One shot deal
All them THINGS that I don't know
If you don’t want no more my kids, I’ll be happy to leave you alone
Ennis “What?”
Maybe you’re a sinner…
”Hell, that most I’ve spoke in a year
fishing buddies--possible spoilers
Ennis: Huh?
"Tent Don't look right
"We herded sheep up on Brokeback one summer"
"Not so Lonely like you were raised
Ennis's use of "proud"

From Jack

The Short Leash You Keep me On
The Word "Quit"
"I might be back" - Ennis & Jack parting
Pretty Good with a Can Opener

"Cure Pneumonia" - Aguirre
"You want your son to grow up to be a man.....?"
Hitting my blocks
Stemming the rose
The word - fun
Jack: "If you don't never know the rest...."
Jack: "You folks run you off"
"Maybe he’s not the marrying kind" - Alma Jr - Did she know?

All the little things

Leather gloves in his pocket
The Clouds are Spelling out Love??
Sideburns
Wood Carving in Jack's Room
Ashes - Possible spoiler!
Goofs *spoiler alert*
The Little Things
What was Ennis's message on the Postcard - possible spoiler
stray nail polish and other details
JT's Bar & the "Brokeback" Title
Did Ennis have a souvenir of Brokeback?
Wood Carving in Jack's Room
Jack (By the Numbers...)
Doing laundry in the river - was it his undies?
'dead sheep' scene - spoilers
Mail Box & 17 - possible significance
Did anyone else notice Ennis' ears?
carrying the lamb
Ennis's Pajama - Spoiler
The dog on Brokeback Mountain
Brown paper bags
The white truck
The Postcard
First postcard writing
A new discovery
Colors on Brokeback Mountain
What label of sigarette Ennis smokes?
Hats off
Hands & lips
A vision of hats

Missing/Deleted Scenes

The Truck Scene
Any Cut Scenes?
Should the film had added/subtracted more? - possible spoilers
Ennis and Jack in the truck
Did the film lose w/o dream scenes?
Movie Trailer – two men in a garage
Deleted Scenes....
Deleted Scenes - Ennis crying

Time Frame

Timeline of Last Scenes - Spoilers!
Timeframe of BBM Filming

Miscellaneous

Kenny Chesney?
Love scenes
Brokeback Mountain on Saturday Night Live
A third handsome man in BBM
Quizzing

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Hey Ethan--you are a peach, thanks for this guide!

[ethan]

Hey Ethan--you are a peach, thanks for this guide!

Thanks to froggy too who has been updating this index. 

[*Froggy*]

Hey Ethan--you are a peach, thanks for this guide!

Thanks to froggy too who has been updating this index. 

Now let's hope people are going to use it!

moua Froggy

[chameau]

Hey Ethan--you are a peach, thanks for this guide!

Thanks to froggy too who has been updating this index. 

Now let's hope people are going to use it!

moua Froggy

Thanks to you all, I have been on this board since January 6th... Lost myself no many times 

[BBBOY]

Ethan, Froggy, has anyone addressed the issue that not all the music in the movie was included in the soundtrack? I noticed after my 6th time that there was some very nice music that was not included. I'd like a complete score. Thoughts or knowledge about it?

[ethan]

Ethan, Froggy, has anyone addressed the issue that not all the music in the movie was included in the soundtrack? I noticed after my 6th time that there was some very nice music that was not included. I'd like a complete score. Thoughts or knowledge about it?

Yes. In the Soundtrack board (http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?board=16.0). Here is the topic you are looking for. If you have any question, please feel free to post there.

http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=826.0

The index here is only for the Characters, Quotes and Scenes.

[mrhoax]

May I ask why I can't see any of these posts? it takes me back to the main ennis/jack page

[chowhound]

May I ask why I can't see any of these posts? it takes me back to the main ennis/jack page

The same is happening to me.

[chameau]

We migrated to a new server since the index was built and are just out of time to rebuild it, sorry!

[hpv]

Will it be rebuild ?

[chameau]

Like I mentioned we don't have the time/resources to rebuilt it

[hpv]

OK, thanks Cham 

[ethan]

May I ask why I can't see any of these posts? it takes me back to the main ennis/jack page

The correct links have been updated and should work properly.

Please report here if links are not working and we will update. Thanks. 

[chameau]

Thanks Ethan!