Topic: Maybe you're a sinner

[Cowboy Cody]

Friend, you ain't crazy. I understand those feelings perfectly. If you care to read, i posted about my own brokeback mountain, in the appropriate section of course.

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

Friend, you ain't crazy. I understand those feelings perfectly. If you care to read, i posted about my own brokeback mountain, in the appropriate section of course.

I'll read.  Thanks for the referral. 

[rabjr1]

           "Every Saint has a past
                 every sinner has a future"

[Cowboy Cody]

           "Every Saint has a past
                 every sinner has a future"

Tell You What, Ain't it the TRUTH!

[brian2006]

so is it a sinner if v had premarital sex?

[rabjr1]

hhhhmmmmm, now that's a hard one.  In fact that's the first thing Eve said when she saw Adam.

[dalemidex]

so is it a sinner if v had premarital sex?

I do think that's exactly what they were talking about.  And while I'm younger than these two characters, but at that age in those years I think "sin" was all about vices like drinking, swearing, gambling and sex.  But primarily sex.  Clearly our boys see drinking, swearing and probably gambling as just a part of life, and so it seems very clear that sex is it.

And yes, after Ennis admits he's never had the opportunity, Jack's muffled laugh and pass of the bottle is   d e f i n i t e   flirting in my book.  didn't pick up on it the first viewing or two, but every time since that scene has just screamed at me.  I love it!

[monicita]

No way is that crazy! I've been holding on to a long distance relationship (Mexico-Germany) for two years. Now I'm back in Europe, and it's beginning to fall apart. Life is just such a bitch, sometimes. I think, as many have said on other threads, the love story is all the more poignant and enduring, because of the long distance element. Without that, it would have been a completely different story. And from experience I would say: Long distance keeps the longing and the passion alive for much longer. But it is a very high price to pay  :'(

monicita

[Cowboy Cody]

No way is that crazy! I've been holding on to a long distance relationship (Mexico-Germany) for two years. Now I'm back in Europe, and it's beginning to fall apart. Life is just such a bitch, sometimes. I think, as many have said on other threads, the love story is all the more poignant and enduring, because of the long distance element. Without that, it would have been a completely different story. And from experience I would say: Long distance keeps the longing and the passion alive for much longer. But it is a very high price to pay  :'(

monicita

Monicita - BIG HUG!  :'(

[chameau]

 

Long distance keeps the longing and the passion alive for much longer. But it is a very high price to pay  :'(

Hold my hand Monicitta, 

Been there I know what you fell  :'( :'( :'(

[Cowboy Cody]

GROUP HUG!  :'( :'(

We've experienced those LD breakups, not the easiest thing to endure.

[chameau]

GROUP HUG!  :'( :'(

We've experienced those LD breakups, not the easiest thing to endure.

Yup!

Your head tell you not go there and your heart pulls you on the opposite way  :'(

[Cowboy Cody]

That's the worst thing in the world for a Taurus. Being led by the head, which at times tend to over rule the heart, but I've been a work in progress on this since I was 22.

Chameau Buddy, you and I could write books about lost love!

[chameau]

That's the worst thing in the world for a Taurus. Being led by the head, which at times tend to over rule the heart, but I've been a work in progress on this since I was 22.

Chameau Buddy, you and I could write books about lost love!

Capricorns are very straight forward people... everyday wise I would say.

I'm a Capricorn.

But when the Heart is involved... 

I'd like to know what my fellow Capricorn Ethan would say about this.

Still off topic chameau 

[rabjr1]

GROUP HUG!  :'( :'(

We've experienced those LD breakups, not the easiest thing to endure.

since mine I've decided that the next zip code is as far as I'm going.

[scruffy]

Monicita -- I'm here for ya. **hug**

Long distance relationships are the hardest but we always fall for them.

Ennis did seem a bit flirty with the "sinner" line.  I look at is as not much as a flirt but more of an opening up.  Ennis probably never talked about himself or his feelings to the extent he did with Jack.  Although Alma was a sweet thing it looks more and more that Ennis was just going through the motions with her.

[alicat]

>>>So does this mean you're partial to Jack?     

I think we all are lol    Poor Alma didn't really stand a chance with him around lol. 

[*Froggy*]

Had a LD relationship..difficult in the end, ugly break up..then that b***ard started dating a cow 1 months after we broke up! They now live together and just recently had a child!

Long distance relationship ..been there, done that, NEVER wants to buy the t-shirt again..and if anyone says "never say never" I'll make you eat frogs legs!!!

[proulxfan]

Froggie,
I thought frog's legs were supposed to taste like chicken! And just food for thought...My partner and I did the  LD thing for a year before we decided to live together, and we've been together 10 years now, so sometimes it can work out.

[*Froggy*]

Froggie,
I thought frog's legs were supposed to taste like chicken! And just food for thought...My partner and I did the  LD thing for a year before we decided to live together, and we've been together 10 years now, so sometimes it can work out.

I know it can...but I'v burnt my wings ... and don't know if I could survive another break like the one I had!

Frog's legs do taste like fine chicken...Ok I'll change it to SNAILS!!! no garlic, no parsley...just snails!

[Cowboy Cody]

Froggie,
I thought frog's legs were supposed to taste like chicken! And just food for thought...My partner and I did the  LD thing for a year before we decided to live together, and we've been together 10 years now, so sometimes it can work out.

I know it can...but I'v burnt my wings ... and don't know if I could survive another break like the one I had!

Frog's legs do taste like fine chicken...Ok I'll change it to SNAILS!!! no garlic, no parsley...just snails!

Frog Legs are YUMMY! I've not had those in ages, wish I could find them someplace.

[christie wood]

Ok, I know this topic has kind of ended and moved on, but just had to share my thoughts from my 4th viewing last night. 

Really saw it in all it's wonderful glory last night....it's a fantastic scene from start to finish, especially as we know what it leads to!  Jack singing his heart out, Ennis being his audience, and them both, slurringly getting into a drunken talk about what a pentacost is, only for Jack to realise he doesn't have a clue!  His own definition gives Ennis the opportunity for one of his few (only?) flirty comments, "maybe you're a sinner.....".  AND THAT LOOK ENNIS GIVES JACK AFTER SAYING THAT!!!! WOW!  THAT IS REALLY HOT!!!!!! 

Don't know about any of you, but I could feel the sexual tension between them during this exchange, obviously fuelled by whiskey, but for Ennis to come out with that comment AND THAT LOOK, I think Jack was a little floored by it.....don't remember seeing Jack's face to this comment from Ennis, but remember him passing the whiskey over to Ennis and Ennis taking it, with THAT KNOWING SMILE on his face.......unspoken, but oh my, would I have loved to know what he was thinking right then!

** feels hot, needs cold shower **     

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

Really saw it in all it's wonderful glory last night....it's a fantastic scene from start to finish, especially as we know what it leads to!  Jack singing his heart out, Ennis being his audience, and them both, slurringly getting into a drunken talk about what a pentacost is, only for Jack to realise he doesn't have a clue!  His own definition gives Ennis the opportunity for one of his few (only?) flirty comments, "maybe you're a sinner.....".  AND THAT LOOK ENNIS GIVES JACK AFTER SAYING THAT!!!! WOW!  THAT IS REALLY HOT!!!!!! 

I'm soooo glad you said that!!!  If I had been Jack I would have blurted "yer opportunity's right here bud!"

Don't know about any of you, but I could feel the sexual tension between them during this exchange, obviously fuelled by whiskey, but for Ennis to come out with that comment AND THAT LOOK, I think Jack was a little floored by it.....don't remember seeing Jack's face to this comment from Ennis, but remember him passing the whiskey over to Ennis and Ennis taking it, with THAT KNOWING SMILE on his face.......unspoken, but oh my, would I have loved to know what he was thinking right then!

** feels hot, needs cold shower **     

I'm glad I've seen this film numerous times. I didn't fully appreciate how hot this scene was until the second viewing and beyond. WOW!!  SOOO HOT!!

[stephan]

It was so interesting reading all these posts. I can only conclude that I missed a lot of what you saw !  I agree there was flirting, but I saw it as brotherly, a friendship where they spent hours talking to each other, talking about themselves, feeling completely at ease with each other. I thought Jack was hoping for more physical contacts... but not exactly sex. I still think that in the first tent scene, the first feelings are just between two good friends. One is outside freezing to death, the other helps him out. Only later, after they've been in the tent together for some time, Jack, feeling horny, tries his luck. There is surprise, hesitation, then... no more reins ! But imho, I think sexual attraction found them, they weren't really jumping into it.

[Rod]

I really think Ennis was flirting with Jack, said it and then kind of a knowing look....anywhere else this mentioned?

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

It was so interesting reading all these posts. I can only conclude that I missed a lot of what you saw !  I agree there was flirting, but I saw it as brotherly, a friendship where they spent hours talking to each other, talking about themselves, feeling completely at ease with each other. I thought Jack was hoping for more physical contacts... but not exactly sex. I still think that in the first tent scene, the first feelings are just between two good friends. One is outside freezing to death, the other helps him out. Only later, after they've been in the tent together for some time, Jack, feeling horny, tries his luck. There is surprise, hesitation, then... no more reins ! But imho, I think sexual attraction found them, they weren't really jumping into it.

You posted a viewpoint that I won't attempt to dispute.  Personally, I'm looking at this scene from the perspective of a..well....horny man. Nearly 8 years of celibacy has made me more responsive to subtle body language. (Ok..too much information! )   21 viewings later and I still feel Ennis's was a little flirty in that scene. As wonderfuly tender as the 2nd tent scene was, this scene always arouses me a little.  It's because of the look on Ennis's face when he says "you may be a sinner..."  I would absolutely melt if someone looked at me that way.

[stephan]

Personally, I'm looking at this scene from the perspective of a..well....horny man.

I know what you mean, cowboy !

21 viewings later and I still feel Ennis's was a little flirty in that scene. As wonderfuly tender as the 2nd tent scene was, this scene always arouses me a little.  It's because of the look on Ennis's face when he says "you may be a sinner..."  I would absolutely melt if someone looked at me that way.

That 2nd tent scene ? OMG, it's never left my mind since first viewing !
There is no doubt in my mind that Ennis was "fishing" for talks about sinning. I guess you could almost call it foreplay ! I love foreplay ! 

[frenchcda]

It was so interesting reading all these posts. I can only conclude that I missed a lot of what you saw !  I agree there was flirting, but I saw it as brotherly, a friendship where they spent hours talking to each other, talking about themselves, feeling completely at ease with each other. I thought Jack was hoping for more physical contacts... but not exactly sex. I still think that in the first tent scene, the first feelings are just between two good friends. One is outside freezing to death, the other helps him out. Only later, after they've been in the tent together for some time, Jack, feeling horny, tries his luck. There is surprise, hesitation, then... no more reins ! But imho, I think sexual attraction found them, they weren't really jumping into it.

You posted a viewpoint that I won't attempt to dispute.  Personally, I'm looking at this scene from the perspective of a..well....horny man. Nearly 8 years of celibacy has made me more responsive to subtle body language. (Ok..too much information! )   21 viewings later and I still feel Ennis's was a little flirty in that scene. As wonderfuly tender as the 2nd tent scene was, this scene always arouses me a little.  It's because of the look on Ennis's face when he says "you may be a sinner..."  I would absolutely melt if someone looked at me that way.

AMEN on this one! right to the point, If Ennis stating to Jack I ain't had a the opportunity yet, that was certainly a clue to Jack

[City Slickin' Cowboy]

AMEN on this one! right to the point, If Ennis stating to Jack I ain't had a the opportunity yet, that was certainly a clue to Jack

I have to agree! The first thing that would have crossed my mind would have been "Is he....could he be...?"

[Rod]

P.S. I too want my OWN ENNIS haha!

  LOL  .. as long as you don't want Heath!

Actually, my "perfect" Ennis would have the same voice and mannerisms from the movie.  Dark hair, facial hair, and over 45 would seal the deal! 

If Jack ages the way he did in the film....he is going to be like George Clooney....the older the better!!!!