Author Topic: What if the unthinkable happens? (Read 45621 times)

Tom · « **Reply #60 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 02:59 PM »

Nice letter Toadily, did you actually send it to him?

Well done if you did. You will have to let us know of the outcome

Tom

Toadily · « **Reply #61 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 03:04 PM »

I sent it to his answerman address on his web site, I have actually sent email to it before and got
personal responses from him (just once and it was short, but it did make me believe
he must read some of them...)

*Froggy* · « **Reply #62 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 03:39 PM »

Quote from: backtobrokeback on Feb 27, 2006, 01:45 PM

Before we all hate Crash, let's go see it, huh? I wouldn't let a word of BBM criticism stand unless the viewer had seen it. Crash is a good film, with a powerful message, told in very very blunt terms.

I have seen Crash...yes it is a good film, with a powerful movie, but somehow, by the next day I had forgotten about it..BBM is with me 24/7...and has been from the day I read the short story!

chameau · « **Reply #63 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 03:40 PM »

Quote

I have seen Crash...yes it is a good film, with a powerful movie, but somehow, by the next day I had forgotten about it..BBM is with me 24/7

Ditto

Toadily · « **Reply #64 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 03:46 PM »

Yeah I'm still sort of shocked that Ebert said that (noteon his web site he even goes so far as to
predict a Crash win..after "review of Crash" and the implied dying down of Brokeback "mania" like
it's just pop culture, that is what made me mad.

backtobrokeback · « **Reply #65 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 04:04 PM »

The pop culture buzz is an entirely separate reaction, and has no direct bearing on the quality of a film - here, the film is of highest quality and relevance. You'd think a seasoned reviewer could separate 'good film + mania' from the all too frequent 'bad film + mania'.

btb

Tom · « **Reply #66 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 04:07 PM »

Did you see what an ex winner had to say

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4754950.stm

Toadily · « **Reply #67 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 04:09 PM »

Right I mean just because a movie has a big impact at first doesn't mean it fades, if it's truly good.
Look at Dr Zhivago for instance, everyone can watch that years later and still be blown away.

I sort of feel like Brokeback is being punished for doing well at the box office. Which I admit may
partly be due to hot guys in leads but obviously its' much more than that.

dr bill · « **Reply #68 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 04:11 PM »

If it does not win, I will have to set up my shingle to do some work with quite a few people. BBM has to win though. I think there are those who just want to distract the attention away from the inevitable...BBM has won no matter what the critics think (like others have said).

ethan · « **Reply #69 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 04:15 PM »

Quote from: backtobrokeback on Feb 27, 2006, 01:45 PM

Before we all hate Crash, let's go see it, huh?

Good point, backtobrokeback. I will at some point when it is available at Netflix. Sorry. I don't want to contribute to the box office or DVD sales of the BBM's rivalry. I stand for any criticism which may throw at me.

I can't compare Crash to BBM personally but I take what many people have said that Crash is not in the league of BBM.

tireiron · « **Reply #70 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 05:17 PM »

I saw Crash on DVD a few months ago. It was pretty good, but not much was memorable.
I have never had any impulse to see it a second time, even though it has faded in memory.

If Crash beats BBM it will be a total travesty, but the Academy has a history of such
travesties. To me the Academy Awards are like a big ball game, World Series or something,
a lot of fun sometimes, but not really important in the end. I'll be watching and pulling for
all of the BBM awards though.

The big suspense, it seems to me, is between HL and PSH. I have a lot more confidence
that BBM will win picture, director, screenplay, cinematography, supporting actor, and music.

Toadily · « **Reply #71 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 05:21 PM »

I think Hoffmans' got it in the bag. I think Ang Lee has it too. I mean maybe Ebert is right and there is
a surge for Crash since most of the voters are from LA (although not all , I mean to vote you are just in the academy and many live elsewhere right? Might even be retired?...)

In some ways it feels weird to even worry about this, the movie has won all major awards already. The box office is beyond anyones dreams. The effect it's had on people's lives is incredible.

tireiron · « **Reply #72 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 05:27 PM »

For what it's worth Philip Seymour Hoffman said on Letterman that
he and a friend made a pact years ago that if either of them ever
won an Academy Award he would bark like a dog for his acceptance
speech. He didn't tell Letterman that he had changed his mind.

Toadily · « **Reply #73 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 05:29 PM »

Quote from: tireiron on Feb 27, 2006, 05:27 PM

For what it's worth Philip Seymour Hoffman said on Letterman that
he and a friend made a pact years ago that if either of them ever
won an Academy Award he would bark like a dog for his acceptance
speech. He didn't tell Letterman that he had changed his mind.

That's hiliarious...well get ready for a grown man to bark to millions of viewers folks.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #74 on:** Feb 27, 2006, 05:31 PM »

Quote from: tireiron on Feb 27, 2006, 05:17 PM

I saw Crash on DVD a few months ago. It was pretty good, but not much was memorable.
I have never had any impulse to see it a second time, even though it has faded in memory.

If Crash beats BBM it will be a total travesty, but the Academy has a history of such
travesties. To me the Academy Awards are like a big ball game, World Series or something,
a lot of fun sometimes, but not really important in the end. I'll be watching and pulling for
all of the BBM awards though.

The big suspense, it seems to me, is between HL and PSH. I have a lot more confidence
that BBM will win picture, director, screenplay, cinematography, supporting actor, and music.

I have numerous friends and acquaintances who see lots of movies. So far I've only had one person suggest I see Crash. Nothing against this film's possible Oscar merits, but I need more than one person's endorsement. If Crash wins over BBM I will make an effort to view it without pre-judgment or animosity.

Yeah right.....

Brokeback is a Best Picture for the ages!!

Walford · « **Reply #75 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 12:06 PM »

On experts' and enthusiasts lists of the greatest films of the 20th Century, and beyond, almost invariably Citizen Kane is at the top. In 1942, it was nominated for 9 Academy Awards, including the "biggies," Best Actor, Best Picture, and Best Director (all Orson Welles). He won only Best Writing, Original Screenplay.

BBM is a virtual lock for Director and Adapted Screenplay. To have won more Oscars than Citizen Kane is really meaningless, isn't it?

Toadily · « **Reply #76 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 01:15 PM »

Yeah I am really detaching from this. I mean Titanic won for gosh sakes, and I thought it was a glorified
TV movie myself.

tireiron · « **Reply #77 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 01:59 PM »

Alfred Hitchcock never won an Academy Award, and The Searchers, one of the greatest westerns,
wasn't nominated for anything, and James Dean for East of Eden lost to Yul Brynner for The King and I,
a Broadway role he merely played one more time. We probably could go on like this all day. If BBM
loses it will be in some great company.

Lilie · « **Reply #78 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 02:11 PM »

If it doesn't win - I'll be first surprised, then a bit angry, and then I'll get over it. It brought so much to me and to many other people, that's what matters, really.

frenchcda · « **Reply #79 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 02:28 PM »

About Morgan Freeman stating that Brokeback is the flavor of the month, I hope he chokes his words, after all the truth of the matter is that BBM has made its way inot our lives way before the official release in december, it strated last summer and here we are in March 2006, so much for the flavor of the Month Mr. Freeman, get a life

Toadily · « **Reply #80 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 02:48 PM »

Quote from: frenchcda on Feb 28, 2006, 02:28 PM

About Morgan Freeman stating that Brokeback is the flavor of the month, I hope he chokes his words, after all the truth of the matter is that BBM has made its way inot our lives way before the official release in december, it strated last summer and here we are in March 2006, so much for the flavor of the Month Mr. Freeman, get a life

I didn't read that Mr Freeman said that too, did he publically say that?

Tom · « **Reply #81 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 03:49 PM »

Quote from: tireiron on Feb 27, 2006, 05:17 PM

I saw Crash on DVD a few months ago. It was pretty good, but not much was memorable.
I have never had any impulse to see it a second time, even though it has faded in memory.

The big suspense, it seems to me, is between HL and PSH. I have a lot more confidence
that BBM will win picture, director, screenplay, cinematography, supporting actor, and music.

I saw crash in November and I thought it was a good thought provoking piece. But like you I have never felt the urge to see it again. The last time I ever did this with a movie before BBM was The Empire Strikes back which I went to see two days running....a what a misspent youth I had. But with BBM 6 times now and still I want to see it. It was an ensemble piece and I don't think Matt Damon or Halle Berry should get an award for a part time role.

I've said it before, PSH was brilliant in a so so movie. He is the only one I fear, but I hope personally our boy Heath pulls it off (ahem)

Tom

Lilie · « **Reply #82 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 04:09 PM »

Quote from: Toadily on Feb 28, 2006, 02:48 PM

Quote from: frenchcda on Feb 28, 2006, 02:28 PM
About Morgan Freeman stating that Brokeback is the flavor of the month, I hope he chokes his words, after all the truth of the matter is that BBM has made its way inot our lives way before the official release in december, it strated last summer and here we are in March 2006, so much for the flavor of the Month Mr. Freeman, get a life

I didn't read that Mr Freeman said that too, did he publically say that?

It was in an article posted here: http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=7486d892f209e157bbd5afe913f80e55&topic=1921.0

Don't be too fast to judge Morgan Freeman. Articles like this have a way to present things. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #83 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 04:16 PM »

The unthinkable is Heath not getting the Oscar.

PSH has received enough high profile awards.

.. HEATH!! HEATH!! HEATH!!

Toadily · « **Reply #84 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 04:21 PM »

Quote from: Lilie on Feb 28, 2006, 04:09 PM

Quote from: Toadily on Feb 28, 2006, 02:48 PM
Quote from: frenchcda on Feb 28, 2006, 02:28 PM
About Morgan Freeman stating that Brokeback is the flavor of the month, I hope he chokes his words, after all the truth of the matter is that BBM has made its way inot our lives way before the official release in december, it strated last summer and here we are in March 2006, so much for the flavor of the Month Mr. Freeman, get a life

I didn't read that Mr Freeman said that too, did he publically say that?

It was in an article posted here: http://www.ennisjack.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=7486d892f209e157bbd5afe913f80e55&topic=1921.0

Don't be too fast to judge Morgan Freeman. Articles like this have a way to present things. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Well at least he was gracious about it. Funny ,it is taste cause I personally thought Million Dollar Baby was over
rated

Toadily · « **Reply #85 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 04:27 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Feb 28, 2006, 04:16 PM

The unthinkable is Heath not getting the Oscar. PSH has received enough high profile awards.

.. HEATH!! HEATH!! HEATH!!

Not to be an Ennis killjoy type, but "it ain't gonna be like that" We have to let that one go, I mean for gosh
sakes like he hasn't had enough praise. His performance was called the stuff of hollywood legend etc.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #86 on:** Feb 28, 2006, 05:14 PM »

Quote from: Toadily on Feb 28, 2006, 04:27 PM

Not to be an Ennis killjoy type, but "it ain't gonna be like that" We have to let that one go, I mean for gosh
sakes like he hasn't had enough praise. His performance was called the stuff of hollywood legend etc.

PSH has also had plenty of praise and accolades. I just want Heath to have something big for the mantlepiece. We all know he earned it.

Haven't heard that fat lady singin' yet, so I'm going to enjoy my swim in de Nile!

JerBear418720 · « **Reply #87 on:** Mar 01, 2006, 07:29 PM »

Brokeback Mountain will win Best Picture. I think that all the stir over Crash was manufactured just to create drama and make everybody think BBM has a real contender. It doesn't. BBM has it in the bag!

JB

ethan · « **Reply #88 on:** Mar 01, 2006, 10:48 PM »

Just read this article also posted in News Coverage and I will post some of them here to ease your anxiety.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11480804/

"The meaning of SAG
But which movie will win? If history means anything: “Brokeback.”

(Hope "Crash" enjoyed that best performance by a cast award at the SAG awards, because that prize is not given out at the Oscars.)

This year “Brokeback” won the Directors Guild Award (DGA), the Producers Guild Award (PGA), and the Golden Globe. Since 1989, when the PGA came into existence, nine pictures have won all of these awards and eight of the nine — “Dances with Wolves,” “Schindler’s List,” “Forrest Gump,” “The English Patient,” “Titanic,” “American Beauty,” “Chicago” and “Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King” — have gone on to win the Academy Award for best picture. The one that didn’t? “Saving Private Ryan,” in what is still a head-scratcher. Apparently the Weinsteins lobbied hard for “Shakespeare in Love,” and as anyone who has ever looked at our laws knows, lobbying works. Ads work. People are dumb.

Exhibit A: Word from Hollywood is that “Crash,” of all films, is making an 11th hour run at the title. According to L.A. Weekly’s Nikki Finke, older Academy members are shying from viewing “Brokeback” for the usual homophobic reasons. But then she writes this:

That “Brokeback” isn’t the Oscar favorite may have been foreshadowed at the SAG awards, when “Crash” topped it for best picture and Philip Seymour Hoffman won over Heath Ledger.

First, “Crash” didn’t top anything for best picture. There is no best picture at SAG. What “Crash” won was “Outstanding performance by a cast in a motion picture.” Second, winning the cast award at SAG is not exactly an accurate indicator of what will win the Academy Award for best picture. SAG has given the cast award nine times, and only four of those pictures have gone on to win the Academy’s best picture. Last year, for example, “Sideways” won the cast award.

In other words, if “Brokeback” doesn’t win it’s either a triumph for advertising or homophobia. Either way, the Academy looks bad. "

gayhunky · « **Reply #89 on:** Mar 02, 2006, 01:57 AM »

>:Life will go on............and those of us who's lives were touched & changed by BBM will go on!!! Strongerr in our convictions, happier in our lives, and more confident in ourselves. Brokeback Mountain is a cultural phenomena...........it might not be recognized now....... but will take it's appropriate place in cinematic history!!!!

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