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Walk to the bar.
« on: Feb 25, 2006, 02:28 PM »
One intersting thing that I've seen mentioned that foreshadows the crux of their relationship occurs on their walk to the bar.  It is so telling that Jack strides to the bar, while Ennis shambles along behind.  Jack is the leader, Ennis is the somewaht relutant follower.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #1 on: Feb 25, 2006, 04:26 PM »
I noticed that their paces are perfectly synchronized,
 I don't know if this is the right word,
like in a military march.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #2 on: Feb 25, 2006, 06:09 PM »
Interesting thread, if we consider the glances they had for each other at the beginning.  Jack shaving and looking at Ennis from the mirror of his truck... Ennis glancing at Jake in the trailer  ::)

Can't wait to see what the other members will have to say.

Thanks for posting!
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #3 on: Feb 25, 2006, 06:21 PM »
Quote from: jerasjr on Feb 25, 2006, 02:28 PM
One intersting thing that I've seen mentioned that foreshadows the crux of their relationship occurs on their walk to the bar.  It is so telling that Jack strides to the bar, while Ennis shambles along behind.  Jack is the leader, Ennis is the somewaht relutant follower.

Interesting remark. Now that you mention it, Jack does seem to be Ennis's leader, right up to the first tent scene...
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #4 on: Feb 25, 2006, 06:49 PM »
Quote from: jerasjr on Feb 25, 2006, 02:28 PM
One intersting thing that I've seen mentioned that foreshadows the crux of their relationship occurs on their walk to the bar.  It is so telling that Jack strides to the bar, while Ennis shambles along behind.  Jack is the leader, Ennis is the somewaht relutant follower.

It stands out stronger and stronger with each viewing. A stark and deliberate statement by Ang of the relationship at onset. Does anyone think it changes at some point?
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #5 on: Feb 25, 2006, 09:58 PM »
Interesing discussion. I remember there is a topic similar to this one which may be interesting to you.

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Jack first introduced himself, found him four years later, and walking to bar.....I doubt if Ennis has ever been to one so Jack had to take the lead.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #6 on: Feb 26, 2006, 01:47 PM »
Ethan - I think so as well. Jack had to take the lead, Ennis wouldn't. He was a little backward that way. Jack still had to take the lead, even in the first tent scene. In fact anytime, it seems as if Jack is the leader.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #7 on: Feb 26, 2006, 04:00 PM »
Ang Lee is intelligent, it can't be just a coincidence. I have seen it twice and the second time, this scene was one that I really been thinking about afterwards. Their cowboy-posture-ish walk is also a bit fun to look at. And of course, Jack takes the lead...as always... in fact, the whole time towards the tent scene is like a long Jack-flirtation scene. I didn't see that the first time I saw it, but the second it was so clear. Ang Lee is so subtile... which makes me wanna go and see it again!

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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #8 on: Feb 26, 2006, 04:05 PM »
good point, Miss Nice.

Kinda <OT>

Only one time I can recall when Ennis took the initiative is when he entered the tent - the most romantic 2nd tent scene. But then again, once he was in the tent, Jack took it over.  ;)
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #9 on: Feb 26, 2006, 05:34 PM »
Quote from: ethan on Feb 26, 2006, 04:05 PM
good point, Miss Nice.

Kinda <OT>

Only one time I can recall when Ennis took the initiative is when he entered the tent - the most romantic 2nd tent scene. But then again, once he was in the tent, Jack took it over.  ;)

Also OT : Jack is definitely the one taking the lead. However, at the reunion 4 years later, it's Ennis who grabs Jack and hauls him to the back t plant that luscious kiss...! /OT
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #10 on: Feb 26, 2006, 09:01 PM »
I agree that Jack takes the lead. However, I think Ennis has more "control" in the relationship. It's pretty much on his terms, them not living together, when they can meet etc. Jack can't see him as much as he would like because Ennis either can't or won't make more time. I think most of us agree that Jack would have redlined it to live with Ennis permantly if Ennis said he was ready. So while Jack was the leader and more outgoing he let Ennis have the reins.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #11 on: Feb 26, 2006, 10:00 PM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Feb 26, 2006, 09:01 PM
I agree that Jack takes the lead. However, I think Ennis has more "control" in the relationship. It's pretty much on his terms, them not living together, when they can meet etc. Jack can't see him as much as he would like because Ennis either can't or won't make more time. I think most of us agree that Jack would have redlined it to live with Ennis permantly if Ennis said he was ready. So while Jack was the leader and more outgoing he let Ennis have the reins.

Ditto
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #12 on: Feb 26, 2006, 11:22 PM »
Quote from: chameau on Feb 26, 2006, 10:00 PM
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Feb 26, 2006, 09:01 PM
I agree that Jack takes the lead. However, I think Ennis has more "control" in the relationship. It's pretty much on his terms, them not living together, when they can meet etc. Jack can't see him as much as he would like because Ennis either can't or won't make more time. I think most of us agree that Jack would have redlined it to live with Ennis permantly if Ennis said he was ready. So while Jack was the leader and more outgoing he let Ennis have the reins.

Ditto

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Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken darken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.

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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #13 on: Feb 27, 2006, 12:06 AM »
ok, they went to the bar after the hiring scene with Joe Aguirre.  They were going to be trucked to the jump off the  NEXT morning.

Where did they spend the night?
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #14 on: Feb 27, 2006, 12:13 AM »
Quote from: rabjr1 on Feb 27, 2006, 12:06 AM
ok, they went to the bar after the hiring scene with Joe Aguirre.  They were going to be trucked to the jump off the  NEXT morning.

Where did they spend the night?

In Jack's truck, Jack was sleeping.  Ennis was smoking one cig after another... where did I read this  ???

Brain overload maybe?  Old Cham is due for some sleeping I guess.

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Ennis was smoking one cig after another... where did I read this  ???

I'm sure I read this... somewhere on the forum about cut scenes.  Yes!

 ???  Good luck if you can find it, try the search tool maybe?  Cut scenes.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #15 on: Feb 27, 2006, 12:19 AM »
he could have been smoking more than a cig.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #16 on: Feb 27, 2006, 12:22 AM »
Quote from: rabjr1 on Feb 27, 2006, 12:19 AM
he could have been smoking more than a cig.

It's later in the movie...
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #17 on: Feb 27, 2006, 12:29 AM »
see, now that's why i never get anywhere, I'm always jumping the gun.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #18 on: Feb 27, 2006, 05:05 PM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Feb 26, 2006, 09:01 PM
I agree that Jack takes the lead. However, I think Ennis has more "control" in the relationship. It's pretty much on his terms, them not living together, when they can meet etc. Jack can't see him as much as he would like because Ennis either can't or won't make more time. I think most of us agree that Jack would have redlined it to live with Ennis permantly if Ennis said he was ready. So while Jack was the leader and more outgoing he let Ennis have the reins.

Good point, Luv. Ennis's decisions counted a lot, but Ennis almost let other people make those decisions for him, don't you think ? He remembered what his father had shown him when he was 9 years old.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #19 on: Feb 27, 2006, 07:46 PM »
Quote from: stephan on Feb 27, 2006, 05:05 PM
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Feb 26, 2006, 09:01 PM
I agree that Jack takes the lead. However, I think Ennis has more "control" in the relationship. It's pretty much on his terms, them not living together, when they can meet etc. Jack can't see him as much as he would like because Ennis either can't or won't make more time. I think most of us agree that Jack would have redlined it to live with Ennis permantly if Ennis said he was ready. So while Jack was the leader and more outgoing he let Ennis have the reins.

Good point, Luv. Ennis's decisions counted a lot, but Ennis almost let other people make those decisions for him, don't you think ? He remembered what his father had shown him when he was 9 years old.

not a psych major but doesn't that qualify as "passive - aggresssive" behavior?
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #20 on: Feb 28, 2006, 11:40 AM »
>>not a psych major but doesn't that qualify as "passive - aggresssive" behavior?

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I'm not sure if you could classify Ennis as passive-aggressive, as he often was just aggressive, i.e getting into physical/verbal confrontations.  Or do you mean passive-aggressive specfically in the context of his relationship with Jack? 

I too think the walk to the bar was very telling of the relationship and how it developed, with Jack taking the lead and Ennis following hesitantly behind.  It also felt to me as though Ennis was already unsure of Jack and his feelings for him and worried about walking next to Jack but I could be wrong!  It would've been nice to have some kind of intro into this scene, i.e the two of them deciding to go for a drink together - or is this one of the deleted scenes mentioned? 
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #21 on: Feb 28, 2006, 03:05 PM »
In his relationship with Jack I think Ennis exhibited some degree of passive agg. behavior.  Maybe because he was guarding his true feelings for Jack.  I think some of us do that when we are so smitten/in love with some one else in order to protect our feelings/ourselves.

And yes Ennis was capable of violence IN ORDER to protect those he was in love with. 

The tragedy of their relationship is that the thing Ennis MOST feared  might happen happened anyways.  I think Ennis could have protected Jack and himself when danger was around or died trying and take them (perpetraters) down with him. 
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #22 on: Feb 28, 2006, 05:57 PM »
Quote from: alicat on Feb 28, 2006, 11:40 AM
It would've been nice to have some kind of intro into this scene, i.e the two of them deciding to go for a drink together - or is this one of the deleted scenes mentioned? 

In the trailer, Jack voice says "since we're going to be working together, I reckon  it's time we start drinkin' together" .
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #23 on: Mar 01, 2006, 10:33 AM »
Quote from: jimmypage on Feb 28, 2006, 05:57 PM
Quote from: alicat on Feb 28, 2006, 11:40 AM
It would've been nice to have some kind of intro into this scene, i.e the two of them deciding to go for a drink together - or is this one of the deleted scenes mentioned? 

In the trailer, Jack voice says "since we're going to be working together, I reckon  it's time we start drinkin' together" .


Ah thanks! Haven't seen the trailer :(
.....can't wait for the DVD director's cut
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #24 on: Mar 01, 2006, 11:17 AM »
Quote from: Miss Nice on Mar 01, 2006, 10:33 AM

Ah thanks! Haven't seen the trailer :(
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #25 on: Mar 02, 2006, 05:40 PM »
Thanks for posting the trailer, giving us a chance to hear Jack which didn't happen in the film
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #26 on: Mar 03, 2006, 07:05 AM »
Quote from: jerasjr on Feb 25, 2006, 02:28 PM
One intersting thing that I've seen mentioned that foreshadows the crux of their relationship occurs on their walk to the bar.  It is so telling that Jack strides to the bar, while Ennis shambles along behind.  Jack is the leader, Ennis is the somewaht relutant follower.

We should also keep in mind that it was Jack's second year and he knew everything around quite well. SO he takes the lead not only because he is a leadre but also because he knows where the bar is.
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #27 on: Mar 03, 2006, 10:23 AM »
Quote from: ethan on Feb 25, 2006, 09:58 PM
Interesing discussion. I remember there is a topic similar to this one which may be interesting to you.

Keeper of the Fire

Jack first introduced himself, found him four years later, and walking to bar.....I doubt if Ennis has ever been to one so Jack had to take the lead.

I kind of thought the same thing.  Between his age and lack of money I thought Ennis had probably never been to a bar.  I did't notice, if Jack paid for the drinks.  Notice that Jack is the one who brings the alcohol to BB.  Think of Ennis in waiting outside of Acquirre's trailer with all his earthly possessions in a paper bag.  That's why I wonder later where the horses always come from.  In the story Ennis has horses and works weekends for their keep, if I remember right.  I don't understand how he ever afforded them.    In the movie the horses vary from scene to scene.  I also have to laugh that he transports the horses in the back of his truck.  I never saw that before.  Didn't know a truck could do that.   Sorry I got off the track.  I am a horse owner.                            - Nancy
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #28 on: Mar 03, 2006, 10:28 AM »
Quote from: stephan on Feb 26, 2006, 05:34 PM
Quote from: ethan on Feb 26, 2006, 04:05 PM
good point, Miss Nice.

Kinda <OT>

Only one time I can recall when Ennis took the initiative is when he entered the tent - the most romantic 2nd tent scene. But then again, once he was in the tent, Jack took it over.  ;)

Also OT : Jack is definitely the one taking the lead. However, at the reunion 4 years later, it's Ennis who grabs Jack and hauls him to the back t plant that luscious kiss...! /OT

This scene really drives home the extent of Ennis' emotion and passion.  He looks around quickly and can't control himself - right in the center of town!!!!!!   So out of character!!!!!!!   That is the extent of his love!!!     Later when Jack comes to see Ennis following his divorce,  they are out in the middle of nowhere and Ennis is still looking around to see who might spy them.                    -Nancy
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Re: Walk to the bar.
« Reply #29 on: Mar 03, 2006, 10:30 AM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Feb 26, 2006, 09:01 PM
I agree that Jack takes the lead. However, I think Ennis has more "control" in the relationship. It's pretty much on his terms, them not living together, when they can meet etc. Jack can't see him as much as he would like because Ennis either can't or won't make more time. I think most of us agree that Jack would have redlined it to live with Ennis permantly if Ennis said he was ready. So while Jack was the leader and more outgoing he let Ennis have the reins.

Ther is a term for letting a horse have the reins.  It is called giving him his head!     Isn't that funny?????                    - Nancy
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