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Re: Question About Last Scene
« Reply #90 on: Apr 22, 2006, 12:07 AM »
oOo. Thank you soo much. lol I feel so stupid now.

Oh and sorry for not searching! I forgot about that :)
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Re: Question About Last Scene
« Reply #91 on: Apr 22, 2006, 12:18 AM »
No worries. I am merging this one with the other existing threads.

Here is the index page. It is also located in the news box.

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Re: Question About Last Scene
« Reply #92 on: Apr 22, 2006, 12:19 AM »
Quote from: Prepster on Apr 21, 2006, 11:49 PM
I JUST watched Brokeback for the first time like an hour ago and was wondering if someone could clarify what Ennis says in the last scene. I'm pretty sure it's the last spoken part of the movie and it's when he's holding up Jack's shirt & coat. Is it "I'm not a queer"? I couldn't tell.

Btw - I'm new here. I'm 15 and LOVEEE Jake Gyllenhaal. :)

Hello Prepster,

The last words spoken in the movie were, "Jack, I swear..." and were spoken by Ennis in his trailer home. The two shirts ( now reversed with his over Jack's) were hanging on a nail on the inside of his closet door. 

However, you said Ennis was holding the shirt and jacket.  That wasn't the last scene in the movie.  Ennis was holding Jack's shirt and his own shirt that he wore on Brokeback Mountain some 20 years before and which Jack stole (both on the same hanger) in Jack's closet at his parent's home.  While there, some of us heard Ennis say, "I love you." 

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Re: Question About Last Scene
« Reply #93 on: Apr 22, 2006, 05:00 PM »
Thank you for the clarification  :)
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Re: Question About Last Scene
« Reply #94 on: Apr 22, 2006, 05:09 PM »
Love your signature Prepster  :D
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #95 on: Apr 29, 2006, 06:08 AM »

There certainly are some wonderful suggestions as to what Ennis Del Mar might have said that finish his, "Jack, I swear..." statement.  I would like to offer yet another one for your consideration.

"Jack, I swear...someday I will get your ashes and will take you back to Brokeback Mountain as you wanted."  The reason I think that is because he then touches the post card of Brokeback Mountain and straightens it and because he says it with determination.

Just my $.75.  [Inflation you know]

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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #96 on: Jun 12, 2006, 05:28 PM »
i THINK YOU HAVE TO SEE it in a wider context including the prior scene with Alma jr. Ennis was close to tears when he asked her weather she loves Curtn and she said "Yess"... He still had problems to show his true feelings, but finally he succeeded and promised to take part in her wedding ceremony. And this leads directly to the final closet scene which is some kind of coming out of the closet to Jack...he still cannot express it in full what he feels but he is close to it!

IMO the phrase should go: "Jack, I swear, I 'll never stop loving you" or:" ......., in my next life I will do everything right that I have done wrong here on earth with regard to you" or "..., I would like the whole world to know how much I love you"
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #97 on: Jun 12, 2006, 06:00 PM »
Quote from: siredevienne38 on Jun 12, 2006, 05:28 PM
IMO the phrase should go: "Jack, I swear, I 'll never stop loving you"...

I have come to believe that this is so.  He will love him for the rest of his life. 

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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #98 on: Jun 12, 2006, 09:25 PM »
Quote from: tpe on Jun 12, 2006, 06:00 PM
Quote from: siredevienne38 on Jun 12, 2006, 05:28 PM
IMO the phrase should go: "Jack, I swear, I 'll never stop loving you"...

I have come to believe that this is so.  He will love him for the rest of his life. 



I agree, absolutely.  Especially now that I've seen the extra 3 seconds of Ennis sobbing with the shirts in Jack's closet.  :(
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #99 on: Jun 13, 2006, 07:26 AM »
Quote from: shieldmaid on Jun 12, 2006, 09:25 PM
Quote from: tpe on Jun 12, 2006, 06:00 PM
Quote from: siredevienne38 on Jun 12, 2006, 05:28 PM
IMO the phrase should go: "Jack, I swear, I 'll never stop loving you"...

I have come to believe that this is so.  He will love him for the rest of his life. 



I agree, absolutely.  Especially now that I've seen the extra 3 seconds of Ennis sobbing with the shirts in Jack's closet.  :(

It is a tough scene to watch.  But that deleted scene does affirm Ennis's love for Jack in no uncertain terms.
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #100 on: Jun 13, 2006, 07:44 PM »
"Jack, I swear..."

 "If it could have been....had it been,  different, (a different time, a different place, with different circumstances, different childhood) we would have been together.  I swear....

Jack, I swear...
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #101 on: Jun 13, 2006, 10:13 PM »

Or how about, "Jack I swear..." if it takes me the rest of my life I will get your ashes and will take you back to Brokeback as you wanted.

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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #102 on: Jun 13, 2006, 10:28 PM »
Quote from: Patriot1 on Jun 13, 2006, 10:13 PM

Or how about, "Jack I swear..." if it takes me the rest of my life I will get your ashes and will take you back to Brokeback as you wanted.



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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #103 on: Jun 14, 2006, 03:53 AM »
Regarding the movie...Ennis quote "Jack, I swear"

Jack never said "I love you" although he showed it in many ways...his stares, touches and especially when he suggested that both of them leave their current lives and ranch up together and share a sweet life. 

In Jack's closet (significance to the closet?) Ennis is overwhelmed by the realization that Jack truly fell in love with him on the mountain that summer and Ennis is finally able to admit to himself that he truly fell in love with him there as well.  The significance of Jacks shirt over Ennis shirt does signify and solidify Jacks love surrounding him in Ennis mind at that moment...not just a 20 year affair, but true love.

Ennis is lost in emotion and holding the shirt, whispers "I love You".

The next time you see the shirts hanging in Ennis closet, Ennis shirt now protectively covering Jacks and he says..."Jack, I swear"  to me is simply a continuance of the "I love you" in Jacks closet.

"I love you...Jack, I swear" 


Next time you watch the movie, listen to his tone and the continuity of his words as if there were no other seen between Ennis finding the shirts and the final scene....His last words to Jack,  "I love you....  Jack, I swear"

In my mind, I simply continued the first shirt scene to the last.

Did anybody else get that impression or am I way off ???
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #104 on: Jun 14, 2006, 06:54 AM »
"Jack, I swear—” he said, though Jack had never asked him to swear anything and was himself not the swearing kind.

For me, he indeed swears that he loves him.

Ennis makes the commitment.


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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #105 on: Jun 14, 2006, 11:09 AM »
I'd like to think that he swears as well never to forget what he's learned, not to be as he was but to change, never to forget or diminish waht they had on Brokeback.
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #106 on: Jun 14, 2006, 03:36 PM »
I think that when Ennis says Jack, i swear, he means that he loves him to the day he die, and swears not to take anyone else in his life. IMO. :)
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"I SWEAR..."
« Reply #107 on: Jun 20, 2006, 02:27 PM »
Hiya....

In what way do you all interpret the "I swear..." part of the film...that he regretted not going with Jacks idea when they first met...or I swear I love you forever...

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« Reply #108 on: Jun 20, 2006, 02:49 PM »
Many different interpretations depending on my mood  ;)

But the one i always come back to, my favourite, is 'I swear i'll love you forever'.

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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #109 on: Jun 25, 2006, 04:11 PM »
Never had any doubts or any alternate interpretations - for me, it's always been (and will always be) Jack, I swear I will love you till the day I die

It breaks my heart every time, and I've got tears in my eyes typing this :\'( :\'(
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #110 on: Jun 25, 2006, 10:28 PM »
I think he means.."Jack, i swear I will know how to love my loved ones now.", which means attending Junior's wedding
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #111 on: Jun 27, 2006, 06:57 AM »
"Jack, I swear I will always love you."

"Jack I swear to be loyal to you."

What impressed me during my last vision of BBM is that the only person we hear Ennis swear to in the movie is Jack.
During his marriage to Alma , the preacher never actually says the "swear" part (at least we don't hear that part). He pronounces them husband and wife and then makes the joke about kissing the bride. I think it re-enforces the power of that final "I swear..."


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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #112 on: Jun 27, 2006, 07:04 AM »
Quote from: frances on Jun 27, 2006, 06:57 AM
"Jack, I swear I will always love you."

"Jack I swear to be loyal to you."

What impressed me during my last vision of BBM is that the only person we hear Ennis swear to in the movie is Jack.
During his marriage to Alma , the preacher never actually says the "swear" part (at least we don't hear that part). He pronounces them husband and wife and then makes the joke about kissing the bride. I think it re-enforces the power of that final "I swear..."

I certainly agree.  And to reserve the use of the word "love" to this final scene reinforces it further.

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« Reply #113 on: Jun 27, 2006, 08:12 AM »
hiya

such an emotional scene...so overpowering....I also feel it means Jack I swear I am sorry....how I would change things now...I miss you....

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« Reply #114 on: Jun 27, 2006, 09:01 AM »
Yes, and Ennis has just asked the question "Does he love you?" , which id the one he should long ago have asked himself and answered positively. Maybe "I swear" ties up with the fact that he could now answer the question and swear to Jack as Alma Jr is going to swear to Kurt, " until death us do part".
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« Reply #115 on: Jun 27, 2006, 09:42 AM »
hiya

how sad...he is also now torn to pieces and alone....though he has family there is this distance...it is like what does he do now....

I also note that the caravan he ends up in is like the one where he met jack for work the first time they met...the same steps up to the door....

god this guy ennis is totally gutted and so alone....I see parts of my self in Ennis that are hard to change...and yet I look back on certain life events and people and it is like how come I never did this or that...or why did I act like that...but I come to an understanding now that as one gets older one also sees things differently and becomes less of a drama queen...lol...

I totally feel for ennis...but like him it is like well how do you change things...he did in a way by opening up to his daughter and her life...but I still think there would be the loneliness seeing her happy together would still make him aware of being alone....

Jack, I swear....then it is like no words (though some say they here say I love you...) as though it is action that is needed not words...Jack I swear I will prove with what I do in life...my love for you will continue through my actions....

okay wheres the tissues....lol... :d)

love glynn xx
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #116 on: Jun 27, 2006, 10:04 AM »
Quote from: Glynn on Jun 27, 2006, 09:42 AM
hiya

how sad...he is also now torn to pieces and alone....though he has family there is this distance...it is like what does he do now....

I also note that the caravan he ends up in is like the one where he met jack for work the first time they met...the same steps up to the door....

god this guy ennis is totally gutted and so alone....I see parts of my self in Ennis that are hard to change...and yet I look back on certain life events and people and it is like how come I never did this or that...or why did I act like that...but I come to an understanding now that as one gets older one also sees things differently and becomes less of a drama queen...lol...

I totally feel for ennis...but like him it is like well how do you change things...he did in a way by opening up to his daughter and her life...but I still think there would be the loneliness seeing her happy together would still make him aware of being alone....

Jack, I swear....then it is like no words (though some say they here say I love you...) as though it is action that is needed not words...Jack I swear I will prove with what I do in life...my love for you will continue through my actions....

okay wheres the tissues....lol... :d)

love glynn xx

Thanks Glynn for sharing.  It is a tough scene to watch, even though some of it was meant to be comforting...

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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #117 on: Jun 27, 2006, 10:45 AM »
Quote from: frances on Jun 27, 2006, 06:57 AM
"Jack, I swear I will always love you."

"Jack I swear to be loyal to you."

What impressed me during my last vision of BBM is that the only person we hear Ennis swear to in the movie is Jack.
During his marriage to Alma , the preacher never actually says the "swear" part (at least we don't hear that part). He pronounces them husband and wife and then makes the joke about kissing the bride. I think it re-enforces the power of that final "I swear..."



thanks! I haven't noticed  that before . interesting
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #118 on: Jun 27, 2006, 02:27 PM »
Quote from: frances on Jun 27, 2006, 06:57 AM
"Jack, I swear I will always love you."

"Jack I swear to be loyal to you."

What impressed me during my last vision of BBM is that the only person we hear Ennis swear to in the movie is Jack.
During his marriage to Alma , the preacher never actually says the "swear" part (at least we don't hear that part). He pronounces them husband and wife and then makes the joke about kissing the bride. I think it re-enforces the power of that final "I swear..."




Frances you hit me again!!
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Re: Ennis's last words "Jack, I swear . . . "
« Reply #119 on: Jun 27, 2006, 02:30 PM »
Ennis saying, :Jack, I swear", to me is Ennis' way of saying," Jack I swear that I loved you with all of my heart and soul. You were my best friend and my lover. If only I had the courage to tell you that while you were alive, I would not be standing here holding our 2 shirts, I would be standing there holding you."   
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