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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #90 on: Mar 23, 2006, 03:14 PM »
Can I ask you guy, when Ennis says Ok to Jack's Dad after he says "Tell you what, we have a family plot, he's goin in it" is it played with sort of understated anger?  I felt it was.  So I guess that is what matters, but you can tell ENnis knows damn quick this guys an ass, and hates him for not letting him take Jack's ashes up there where JACK WANTED THEM.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #91 on: Mar 23, 2006, 03:17 PM »
Can I ask you guy, when Ennis says Ok to Jack's Dad after he says "Tell you what, we have a family plot, he's goin in it" is it played with sort of understated anger?  I felt it was.  So I guess that is what matters, but you can tell ENnis knows damn quick this guys an ass, and hates him for not letting him take Jack's ashes up there where JACK WANTED THEM.

There was definately anger in his voice. Both of Jack's parent's knew exactly who Ennis was, and his father was not happy about it.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #92 on: Mar 23, 2006, 03:28 PM »
Can I ask you guy, when Ennis says Ok to Jack's Dad after he says "Tell you what, we have a family plot, he's goin in it" is it played with sort of understated anger?  I felt it was.  So I guess that is what matters, but you can tell ENnis knows damn quick this guys an ass, and hates him for not letting him take Jack's ashes up there where JACK WANTED THEM.

like froggy sayd...Yep

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #93 on: Mar 23, 2006, 07:27 PM »
This sequence packs a huge emotional wallop.   Roberta Maxwell was perfect.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #94 on: Mar 23, 2006, 07:45 PM »
WOW! Thank you so much...seeing this again is fantastic.

That very last one...she wants to say something...but she cant!

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #95 on: Mar 23, 2006, 07:46 PM »
WOW! Thank you so much...seeing this again is fantastic.

That very last one...she wants to say something...but she cant!

Thank you for posting these x

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #96 on: Mar 23, 2006, 07:51 PM »
She is indeed perfect.  Thanks.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #97 on: Mar 23, 2006, 07:54 PM »
Wow, seeing Ennis's face after she touches him so lovingly, it's like "bless you".
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #98 on: Mar 23, 2006, 08:26 PM »
Wow, seeing Ennis's face after she touches him so lovingly, it's like "bless you".
Sigh.

and his look says "Thank you"
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #99 on: Mar 24, 2006, 05:03 AM »
yeah.. love that scens  :'(
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #100 on: Mar 24, 2006, 05:17 AM »


Froggy, you must know, what is the origin of "half-baked" and what is the generally accepted meaning?

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #101 on: Mar 24, 2006, 09:59 AM »


Froggy, you must know, what is the origin of "half-baked" and what is the generally accepted meaning?



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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #102 on: Mar 24, 2006, 10:00 AM »
I know biscuit...as in twice cooked...bis (twice) cuit (cook)..doubt that's what u were interested in.....

"half baked"...you've lost me..what do you mean?
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #103 on: Mar 24, 2006, 10:15 AM »
May be of some-help:

From the Online Etymology Dictionary

half
 
O.E. half, halb (Mercian), healf (W. Saxon) "side, part" (original sense preserved in behalf), from P.Gmc. *khalbas "something divided" (cf. O.N. halfr, O.Fris., M.Du. half, Ger. halb, Goth. halbs "half"). Used also in O.E. phrases as in modern Ger., to mean "one half unit less than," cf. þridda healf "two and a half," lit. "half third." The construction in two and a half, etc., is first recorded c.1200. Of time, in half past ten, etc., first attested 1750; in Scottish, the half often is prefixed to the following hour, as in Ger. (halb elf "ten thirty"). Half-and-half "ale and porter" is from 1756; half-baked in sense of "silly" is from 1855; half-breed "mixed race" is from 1760; half-blooded in this sense is from 1605. Half-brother (c.1330) and half-sister (c.1205) were in M.E.. Halftime in football is from 1871. half-truth is first recorded 1658; half-hearted is from 1611. To go off half-cocked "speak or act too hastily" (1833) is in allusion to firearms.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #104 on: Mar 24, 2006, 11:58 AM »
Is this a trick question of some sort? ???
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #105 on: Mar 24, 2006, 01:03 PM »
May be of some-help:

...half-baked in sense of "silly" is from 1855;...


Thanks tpe.  So I guess Jack's father just thought it was a "silly" idea of Jacks to build a cabin on the ranch and live there with Ennis.  Actually, "silly" doesn't sound like a strong negative.  "Silly" things happen all the time.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #106 on: Mar 24, 2006, 01:06 PM »
May be of some-help:

...half-baked in sense of "silly" is from 1855;...


Thanks tpe.  So I guess Jack's father just thought it was a "silly" idea of Jacks to build a cabin on the ranch and live there with Ennis.  Actually, "silly" doesn't sound like a strong negative.  "Silly" things happen all the time.



You're welcome.  I found the question rather interesting myself.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #107 on: Mar 24, 2006, 02:31 PM »
Oh! I didn't know where it orginated, but I knew that half-baked meant exactly what is sounds like it means, half way done. Jack's plans were only half thought through. They were those grand plans that never amount to anything, because you get way too excited about it, before you have all the facts.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #108 on: Mar 24, 2006, 02:50 PM »
Oh! I didn't know where it orginated, but I knew that half-baked meant exactly what is sounds like it means, half way done. Jack's plans were only half thought through. They were those grand plans that never amount to anything, because you get way too excited about it, before you have all the facts.

I would think this could be an alternative meaning.  I will have to check, but some people do use it this way.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #109 on: Mar 24, 2006, 04:24 PM »
hahahaha...I get it..."half baked"...well we kinda say it in French, it's very discriminating...but it's mainly to describe  someone who is believed/or wrongly believed to be a little slow (brain-wise).

Instead of staying in the oven for 9 months..it's only half baked!

Hahahahaahah...I sure am laughing at myself now..then aagin...I do have 38.5 of temperature!
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #110 on: Mar 24, 2006, 04:28 PM »
hahahaha...I get it..."half baked"...well we kinda say it in French, it's very discriminating...but it's mainly to describe  someone who is believed/or wrongly believed to be a little slow (brain-wise).

Instead of staying in the oven for 9 months..it's only half baked!

Hahahahaahah...I sure am laughing at myself now..then aagin...I do have 38.5 of temperature!

How interesting.  Thanks, Froggy, for the insight.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #111 on: Mar 24, 2006, 05:49 PM »
WOW! Thank you so much...seeing this again is fantastic.

That very last one...she wants to say something...but she cant!

Thank you for posting these x

Yes thanks, I saved it immediately. Great series of pictures.
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #112 on: Mar 31, 2006, 12:35 AM »
Glacier 1, what a perfect response.  I wish some of the senior citizens in my life felt more like you and your friends.  I love everything you said, and after seeing the movie for the 6th time tonight, your writing dried out my tear ducts all over again!  Thank you!  :-*

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #113 on: Apr 05, 2006, 01:31 AM »
Some additional insights on this scene after having watched the DVD: I just noticed that Jack's mom almost interrupts her husband's speech about Jack bringing  the ranch neighbor up from Texas, when she tells Ennis to have a look in Jack's room. I had felt for some time that she knew about the shirts, and meant for Ennis to find them, but I had assumed that this was just to comfort Ennis.  She could see and feel his grief about Jack's death, but now I think she may have intended it additionally as a way to thwart the damage inflicted on Ennis by this revelation of Jack's "infidelity", as if she were saying, "Go on upstairs and find out how much and how long Jack loved you. The rancher doesn't' really matter."
Larry McMurtry has said that this is the scene that makes BBM a great film, and I agree, because it deftly and subtly portrays the two unchanging truths of tragedy: Love = Loss,  and Life = Death. In both cases, you can't have one without experiencing the other. I believe this is what makes the film and story have universal meaning, and why it has hit so many of its fans in such a profound way. Many have said it is like grieving, and it certainly has been that way for me at times.
BTW, I also agree with the assessment that Ms. Maxwell's performance was on the highest level and on a par with Heath's and Jake's.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #114 on: Apr 05, 2006, 01:57 AM »
BTW, I also agree with the assessment that Ms. Maxwell's performance was on the highest level and on a par with Heath's and Jake's.

Isn't it amazing how the three of them said more to the viewers with their eyes, facial expressions and body language than all the words in the movie.  I can not see how I could possibly see acting on this par ever again.

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #115 on: Apr 05, 2006, 03:57 AM »
Some additional insights on this scene after having watched the DVD: I just noticed that Jack's mom almost interrupts her husband's speech about Jack bringing  the ranch neighbor up from Texas, when she tells Ennis to have a look in Jack's room. I had felt for some time that she knew about the shirts, and meant for Ennis to find them, but I had assumed that this was just to comfort Ennis.  She could see and feel his grief about Jack's death, but now I think she may have intended it additionally as a way to thwart the damage inflicted on Ennis by this revelation of Jack's "infidelity", as if she were saying, "Go on upstairs and find out how much and how long Jack loved you. The rancher doesn't really matter."

That's an exquisite nuance, proulxfan, and I believe it true.  If I didn't believe it true, my eyes would be dry right now. 

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #116 on: Apr 05, 2006, 10:48 PM »
BTW, I also agree with the assessment that Ms. Maxwell's performance was on the highest level and on a par with Heath's and Jake's.

Isn't it amazing how the three of them said more to the viewers with their eyes, facial expressions and body language than all the words in the movie.  I can not see how I could possibly see acting on this par ever again.



Indeed, I remember Gyllenhaal saying to Jay Leno-or someone-that what isn't said [in words] in this film is more significant than what is, and the more times I see it, the truer that statement rings.
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #117 on: Apr 06, 2006, 12:50 AM »
BTW, I also agree with the assessment that Ms. Maxwell's performance was on the highest level and on a par with Heath's and Jake's.

Isn't it amazing how the three of them said more to the viewers with their eyes, facial expressions and body language than all the words in the movie.  I can not see how I could possibly see acting on this par ever again.



I read that the scene with Heath and the Twists was shot in a single day.  It's pure and simply breathtaking genius. 

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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #118 on: Apr 06, 2006, 09:28 PM »
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Re: Did Jacks mom know?
« Reply #119 on: Apr 06, 2006, 09:47 PM »
I think both of Jack's parents knew about Jack, his saying he would come up there with Ennis "Jack used to say" his dad said...not Jack said...making it clear that he talked often about Ennis, not just mentioning him once.  Ennis had a little smile on his lips when he said that, which faded when the other rancher was mentioned.  Ennis got tears in his eyes and his chin looked like it quivered a little.  I think what he said about the other rancher was just a dig at Ennis...though it was probably true.  After he said that, Jack's mom immediately put her hand on Ennis' shoulder, like she was trying to comfort him...the only thing she could do with Jack's father right there.  So she sent him up to Jack's room, probably knowing what he'd find in the closet.
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