Author Topic: Let's Single OUT those academy members who voted without seeing BBM (Read 12753 times)

ethan · « **on:** Mar 13, 2006, 03:59 PM »

We have read here and there about those academy voters who didn't even see BBM. For the record, let's list them here.

I go first.

Entertainment Weekly

"Ernest Borgnine, who won Best Actor 50 years agaon for Marty, responded "I didn't see it and I don't care to see it. I know they say it's a good picture but I don't care to see it. If John Wayne were alive, he'd be rolling over in his grave"

Lost_Girl · « **Reply #1 on:** Mar 13, 2006, 04:21 PM »

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"Ernest Borgnine, who won Best Actor 50 years agaon for Marty, responded "I didn't see it and I don't care to see it. I know they say it's a good picture but I don't care to see it. If John Wayne were alive, he'd be rolling over in his grave"

It's very sad.. I mean for him.. I don"t even imagine what he is missing.... Poor wolrd... !

And let the dead in peace.... ! lol And who know.. maybe I would liked it.. (J.W) lol

tpe · « **Reply #2 on:** Mar 13, 2006, 05:46 PM »

From: http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2006/03/_gays_oscar_bet.html

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Gays: Oscar betrayed us

Photo: Oscar's best actor of 1955, Ernest Borgnine, is one more academy member who washed his hands of "Brokeback," refusing even to watch it.
(United Artists)

The reason gay people are so eye-popping furious over what happened to "Brokeback Mountain" at the Academy Awards is more than just disappointment that a gay-themed movie lost best picture. To put it in classic Hollywood terms, many gays believe that Oscar — ruthlessly, deliberately and mercilessly — plunged his sword into the backs of those who love him most.

Who the heck does he think he is, anyway? Bette Davis?

If the Oscars gold derby is regarded as the sporting event that it really is, there's no doubt who the cheerleaders are: gay guys.

If you don't believe that, you haven't been paying attention to who organizes your office Oscars pool every year. Don't those chaps all seem to be a little too well groomed and well-spoken?

Go ahead and ask any gay man you know if he's ever fantasized about winning an Oscar and he'll instantly blurt out his acceptance speech. Even the part — a la Julia Roberts — where he warns the orchestra conductor not to dare interrupt him because he may never make it up to the podium again and there's so much to say.

Of course, Chris Rock wasn't kidding when he notoriously said last year, "What straight guy that you know cares? Who gives a f---?"

So "Brokeback's" loss was more than just mere disappointment by a group of people who rooted for it to win. Finally, gay people — who'd been unofficially in charge of whipping up Oscars ballyhoo nationwide forever — had their own horse in the derby. And it wasn't another one of those pity-poor-us-because-we're-dying-of-AIDS films starring Tom Hanks.

The "Brokeback" pony had similar hopelessly straight guys in the saddle, yes, but it was a love story. If it won best picture, its victory would be a milestone moment in showbiz history as important and validating to gays as the "In the Heat of the Night" best picture win was to African Americans and the "Schindler's List" victory was to Jews.

Imagine gay people's excitement and glee throughout this Oscars race! Even better, it looked like "Brokeback" was the easiest bet in any Oscars pool because it could not be denied. It led with the most nominations, which almost always assures triumph, and it had previously been rubber-stamped the best pic of the year by 23 other award groups, including the Producers Guild, BAFTA, Indie Spirits, Los Angeles Film Critics Assn., New York Film Critics Circle, the Broadcast Film Critics Assn. and Golden Globes (where "Crash" wasn't even nominated).

Its subsequent Oscars loss was "blatant homophobia" according to Ann Northrop, cohost of "Gay U.S.A.," the nationally syndicated news TV news show. "Come on! It won every other best picture award in the world, but I don't think they wanted to give it to us!"

Her cohost Andy Humm added with sad resignation, "It's the typical conservatism of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences, which composed of old straight guys."

More than two-thirds of respondents to a poll at gay news site Advocate.com agree, blaming homophobia for "Brokeback's" loss. Los Angeles Times film critic Kenneth Turan concurred, too, writing, "In the privacy of the voting booth, people are free to act out the unspoken fears and unconscious prejudices…. And at least this year, that acting out doomed 'Brokeback Mountain.'"

Meantime, more and more actual evidence of bias mounts. No longer is Tony Curtis alone among older academy members who publicly admitted that they refused even to consider "Brokeback." Oscar's best actor of 1955 Ernest Borgnine ("Marty") told Entertainment Weekly: "I didn’t see (‘Brokeback Mountain’) and I don’t care to see it. I know they say it’s a good picture, but I don’t care to see it." Then he added the most ridiculous, illogical, slam ever uttered against the gay cowboys: "If John Wayne were alive, he’d be rolling over in his grave!"

Perhaps we can no longer assume that apparently hip Sarah Jessica Parker isn't homophobic. She made a shocking confession to Conan O'Brien and his national TV audience: she voted for best picture at the Oscars without watching "Brokeback Mountain." Instead, she accepted input about it from her three-year-old son who watched about 20 minutes of the DVD screener out of curiosity. Presumably, Sarah ended up voting for something else.

How can gay people not feel betrayed by Oscar when so many voters publicly admit that they never even gave "Brokeback" a chance? Worse, that didn't stop them from giving "Brokeback" all of the other Oscars it was expected to get: — best director, screenplay and musical score. But they just couldn't go that last step, just couldn't install such a historic milestone on a financially successful and critically acclaimed film — worthy of Academy Awards for writing and direction — and place it in Oscar's best pic pantheon.

Can gay people ever forgive Oscar? If not, just think of what the Oscars will be like in years to come without their cheerleading? Will anybody care?

p.s. I edit the post to bold those names for the record.

tpe · « **Reply #3 on:** Mar 13, 2006, 06:01 PM »

Thanks Ethan for highlighting the barbarians.

Cowboy Cody · « **Reply #4 on:** Mar 13, 2006, 09:45 PM »

Let's put the OUTING on the other foot and a little retaliation and let them see how it feels to be on the outside lookin' in!

Thanks Ethan!

ethan · « **Reply #5 on:** Mar 13, 2006, 09:48 PM »

Quote from: Cowboy Cody on Mar 13, 2006, 09:45 PM

Let's put the OUTING on the other foot and a little retaliation and let them see how it feels to be on the outside lookin' in!

Thanks Ethan!

Hey Cody, you are welcome. What bothers me the most is that they have the gut to say such things.

Cowboy Cody · « **Reply #6 on:** Mar 13, 2006, 09:53 PM »

Ethan - that is why boards like this can help change the attitudes. We do need to point out those things.

Italian_Dude · « **Reply #7 on:** Mar 13, 2006, 11:52 PM »

Sarah Jessica Parker isn't homophobic. She made a shocking confession to Conan O'Brien and his national TV audience: she voted for best picture at the Oscars without watching "Brokeback Mountain." Instead, she accepted input about it from her three-year-old son who watched about 20 minutes of the DVD screener out of curiosity. Presumably, Sarah ended up voting for something else.

EXCUSE ME!??!?!?!?

her three year old son watchted 20 minutes of the DVD screener WOW. What an honour this award must truly be..

we should gather all these names and make some sort of "thank-you" card for those who cost BBM its best picture because they're too scared/homophobic/ or stupid to even watch iT!!! ugh im mad now.

Cowboy Cody · « **Reply #8 on:** Mar 14, 2006, 12:00 AM »

Quote from: Italian_Dude on Mar 13, 2006, 11:52 PM

Sarah Jessica Parker isn't homophobic. She made a shocking confession to Conan O'Brien and his national TV audience: she voted for best picture at the Oscars without watching "Brokeback Mountain." Instead, she accepted input about it from her three-year-old son who watched about 20 minutes of the DVD screener out of curiosity. Presumably, Sarah ended up voting for something else.

EXCUSE ME!??!?!?!?

her three year old son watchted 20 minutes of the DVD screener WOW. What an honour this award must truly be..

we should gather all these names and make some sort of "thank-you" card for those who cost BBM its best picture because they're too scared/homophobic/ or stupid to even watch iT!!! ugh im mad now.

Jack_Dude - I'll back ya up in this fight!

Italian_Dude · « **Reply #9 on:** Mar 14, 2006, 12:09 AM »

Good! then we'll definately win! LOL

scruffy · « **Reply #10 on:** Mar 14, 2006, 04:35 AM »

This article was making the rounds before the Academy Awards so I thought we might add Samuel L. Jackson to the list. You would think these actors would be honoured to be in such a prestegious group but it looks like they are more interested in the party than voting ethics. They must not think much about the awards they won. After all, if the voting process is as flawed as the below article would let us believe the academy awards are really nothing more than a glorified High School Homecoming Queen contest. It's based on nothing more than popularity. A shallow victory in my oppinion.

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/61533.htm

February 8, 2006 -- SAMUEL L. Jackson has revealed a dirty little secret about Academy Awards voting. While promoting "Freedomland," he admitted to Fox News' Bill McCuddy that his wife helps in voting, as well as his servants. And he claims that's the scenario in most Tinseltown tallies. Ballots are left lying out, he told McCuddy. "The maid has watched them [the nominees], the cook's probably watched a lot of them, the nanny has too. And they go by and put their check marks down on the ballot because they know you're not going to do it. And then the assistant goes by - 'Oh, it's time for the ballot to go in. Oh, he hasn't filled this in. [Checking boxes] I like this, I like this,' and they send it in." When McCuddy asked for clarification about how it's done in Jackson's house, the star revealed, "I generally go down the ballot and look and see if any of my friends are nominated and I vote for them. Then I leave the ballot there for my wife to vote for all the other films that she watched that I knew I wasn't gonna watch, like the chick flicks or the flicks that I thought were gonna put me to sleep. I trust her opinion. And then we send the ballot in." Truly democratic!

ethan · « **Reply #11 on:** Mar 14, 2006, 10:34 AM »

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"I generally go down the ballot and look and see if any of my friends are nominated and I vote for them. Then I leave the ballot there for my wife to vote for all the other films that she watched that I knew I wasn't gonna watch, like the chick flicks or the flicks that I thought were gonna put me to sleep. I trust her opinion. And then we send the ballot in."

This is shocking and disturbing. Also, what is on their mind to publicly disclose such behavior? Arrogance I may say.

JerBear418720 · « **Reply #12 on:** Mar 14, 2006, 08:18 PM »

Quote from: ethan on Mar 13, 2006, 03:59 PM

We have read here and there about those academy voters who didn't even see BBM. For the record, let's list them here.

I go first.

Entertainment Weekly

"Ernest Borgnine, who won Best Actor 50 years agaon for Marty, responded "I didn't see it and I don't care to see it. I know they say it's a good picture but I don't care to see it. If John Wayne were alive, he'd be rolling over in his grave"

OK, this proves Mr. Borgnine is losing it. Uh, duh, if you're alive, you can't roll over in the grave!

Besides that, John Wayne was an anachronism even back in the 1960s. He stubbornly defended the Vietnam War even after it became clear to my cat that the whole thing was a fiasco. He said hideous things about student anti-war demonstators. 58,000 brave members of my generation are not with us today because of that debacle. Sorry for the seriously <OT> rant, but holding up John Wayne as some kind of icon infuriates me. That was a tireiron type if ever there was one.

JB

camom · « **Reply #13 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 10:16 AM »

Quote from: scruffy on Mar 14, 2006, 04:35 AM

This article was making the rounds before the Academy Awards so I thought we might add Samuel L. Jackson to the list. You would think these actors would be honoured to be in such a prestegious group but it looks like they are more interested in the party than voting ethics. They must not think much about the awards they won. After all, if the voting process is as flawed as the below article would let us believe the academy awards are really nothing more than a glorified High School Homecoming Queen contest. It's based on nothing more than popularity. A shallow victory in my oppinion.

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/61533.htm

February 8, 2006 -- SAMUEL L. Jackson has revealed a dirty little secret about Academy Awards voting. While promoting "Freedomland," he admitted to Fox News' Bill McCuddy that his wife helps in voting, as well as his servants. And he claims that's the scenario in most Tinseltown tallies. Ballots are left lying out, he told McCuddy. "The maid has watched them [the nominees], the cook's probably watched a lot of them, the nanny has too. And they go by and put their check marks down on the ballot because they know you're not going to do it. And then the assistant goes by - 'Oh, it's time for the ballot to go in. Oh, he hasn't filled this in. [Checking boxes] I like this, I like this,' and they send it in." When McCuddy asked for clarification about how it's done in Jackson's house, the star revealed, "I generally go down the ballot and look and see if any of my friends are nominated and I vote for them. Then I leave the ballot there for my wife to vote for all the other films that she watched that I knew I wasn't gonna watch, like the chick flicks or the flicks that I thought were gonna put me to sleep. I trust her opinion. And then we send the ballot in." Truly democratic!

I did read that bit about Samuel L. Jackson about a week ago, so I looked it up online to see if there was anything else. He refuted it, said he didn't say that, but hmmm... Anyone else know more on this one?

Ernest Borgnine is one of those actors I thought was already dead. And good call, JerBear, on rolling over when you're alive. Har!

camom

meandennis · « **Reply #14 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 03:11 PM »

Quote from: Italian_Dude on Mar 13, 2006, 11:52 PM

Sarah Jessica Parker isn't homophobic. She made a shocking confession to Conan O'Brien and his national TV audience: she voted for best picture at the Oscars without watching "Brokeback Mountain." Instead, she accepted input about it from her three-year-old son who watched about 20 minutes of the DVD screener out of curiosity. Presumably, Sarah ended up voting for something else.

EXCUSE ME!??!?!?!?

her three year old son watchted 20 minutes of the DVD screener WOW. What an honour this award must truly be..

we should gather all these names and make some sort of "thank-you" card for those who cost BBM its best picture because they're too scared/homophobic/ or stupid to even watch iT!!! ugh im mad now.

I see it this way. No-talent Parker knows she will never be nominated for an Oscar, therefore she felt she should deny those deserving of one. B-T-W, Isn't Parker starring in the recent Hollywood stinker with Matthew McConeghey? I rest my case.

meandennis

JerBear418720 · « **Reply #15 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 03:12 PM »

Quote from: Italian_Dude on Mar 13, 2006, 11:52 PM

Sarah Jessica Parker isn't homophobic. She made a shocking confession to Conan O'Brien and his national TV audience: she voted for best picture at the Oscars without watching "Brokeback Mountain." Instead, she accepted input about it from her three-year-old son who watched about 20 minutes of the DVD screener out of curiosity. Presumably, Sarah ended up voting for something else.

EXCUSE ME!??!?!?!?

her three year old son watchted 20 minutes of the DVD screener WOW. What an honour this award must truly be..

we should gather all these names and make some sort of "thank-you" card for those who cost BBM its best picture because they're too scared/homophobic/ or stupid to even watch iT!!! ugh im mad now.

...or lazy, disinterested, disrespectful, etc. Makes you hope SHE gets a nom some day, and some member's poodle gets to choose. If AMPAS has any gonads at all. it will re-evaluate how winners are chosen. If they don't - thats it. A Junior High School popularity contest donesn't interest me.

meandennis · « **Reply #16 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 03:18 PM »

Quote from: scruffy on Mar 14, 2006, 04:35 AM

February 8, 2006 -- SAMUEL L. Jackson has revealed a dirty little secret about Academy Awards voting. While promoting "Freedomland," he admitted to Fox News' Bill McCuddy that his wife helps in voting, as well as his servants. And he claims that's the scenario in most Tinseltown tallies. Ballots are left lying out, he told McCuddy. "The maid has watched them [the nominees], the cook's probably watched a lot of them, the nanny has too. And they go by and put their check marks down on the ballot because they know you're not going to do it. And then the assistant goes by - 'Oh, it's time for the ballot to go in. Oh, he hasn't filled this in. [Checking boxes] I like this, I like this,' and they send it in." When McCuddy asked for clarification about how it's done in Jackson's house, the star revealed, "I generally go down the ballot and look and see if any of my friends are nominated and I vote for them. Then I leave the ballot there for my wife to vote for all the other films that she watched that I knew I wasn't gonna watch, like the chick flicks or the flicks that I thought were gonna put me to sleep. I trust her opinion. And then we send the ballot in." Truly democratic!

Samual L. Jackson has servants? I thought servants went out with the end of the civil war. I wonder if they are white, since he obviously has some other prejudices!

meandennis

JerBear418720 · « **Reply #17 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 03:36 PM »

Quote from: ethan on Mar 13, 2006, 09:48 PM

Quote from: Cowboy Cody on Mar 13, 2006, 09:45 PM
Let's put the OUTING on the other foot and a little retaliation and let them see how it feels to be on the outside lookin' in!

Thanks Ethan!

Hey Cody, you are welcome. What bothers me the most is that they have the gut to say such things.

...and in the process expose themselves as being unethical. To have watched ALL the movies and then vote for something other than BBM is one thing - but to out-and-out SNUB YOUR PEERS (and that's what it is) is an outrage.

bbmlover · « **Reply #18 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 03:45 PM »

i'am now sick of these damnit guys - with their damn it voting behaviour. I'am no more buying the showbiz magazine........ hell with their own gossip

aimi15 · « **Reply #19 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 03:49 PM »

I am sure i read today that Empire magazine gave Tony Curtis a lifetime achievement award - can anyone back this up for me?

bbmlover · « **Reply #20 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 04:14 PM »

Quote from: aimi15 on Mar 15, 2006, 03:49 PM

I am sure i read today that Empire magazine gave Tony Curtis a lifetime achievement award - can anyone back this up for me?

......grrrrrrr

is it so?......

aimi15 · « **Reply #21 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 04:20 PM »

I think so but then i felt better cos they voted some sh*te like revenge of the sith best film scene of the year or somethin..

bbmlover · « **Reply #22 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 04:23 PM »

starwars!!!!.......
i'am vomitting now........ oik

i'am not even going there

*Froggy* · « **Reply #23 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 05:27 PM »

Quote from: aimi15 on Mar 15, 2006, 04:20 PM

I think so but then i felt better cos they voted some sh*te like revenge of the sith best film scene of the year or somethin..

BBM should feature next year...it wasnt in competition this year...

camom · « **Reply #24 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 06:35 PM »

Quote from: JerBear418720 on Mar 15, 2006, 03:36 PM

...and in the process expose themselves as being unethical. To have watched ALL the movies and then vote for something other than BBM is one thing - but to out-and-out SNUB YOUR PEERS (and that's what it is) is an outrage.

That's the thing in a nutshell. If they haven't personally seen all the movies, they shouldn't be voting, period.

camom

Toadily · « **Reply #25 on:** Mar 15, 2006, 06:53 PM »

If I were an Academy Exec. I would be FURIOUS at this, do they take action at all? I am surprised at Sarah J Parker, I mean that is really
odd to say that. I don't think she would boycott the movie like the others but to say that on national TV? You are so lucky to be in the academy at all.

davidgray624 · « **Reply #26 on:** Mar 29, 2006, 01:46 AM »

This might be naive, but i just found out yesterday that members of the Academy could pick and choose what they wanted to watch. This fact really needs to be exposed. I now know that the Oscars really aren't qualified to be picking "best picture" (or any award for that matter!). The process is not fair. Plain and simple. This needs to get out to the public. The Oscars need to have their nose rubbed in the dirt. I definitely know that I will not watch a minute of the OScars until the voting process becomes fair for all movies.

MississaugaRed · « **Reply #27 on:** Mar 29, 2006, 09:11 AM »

Quote from: davidgray624 on Mar 29, 2006, 01:46 AM

This might be naive, but i just found out yesterday that members of the Academy could pick and choose what they wanted to watch. This fact really needs to be exposed. I now know that the Oscars really aren't qualified to be picking "best picture" (or any award for that matter!). The process is not fair. Plain and simple. This needs to get out to the public. The Oscars need to have their nose rubbed in the dirt. I definitely know that I will not watch a minute of the OScars until the voting process becomes fair for all movies.

You know, the one month anniversary of the BP fiasco at the Oscar's is coming up. I think the Academy is hoping that all the fuss that took place in the first weeks after will die down and all the unhappy people will go away, to return next year supporting the Oscars like nothing happened, la de da.

I'd like to suggest, on April 5th, we all send ANOTHER message via e-mail to the Academy through their website, letting them know we haven't forgotten, we're not going away, and next year they'll be getting slammed as hard as possible because we'll be reminding everyone of the joke that is their voting process.

Is it wrong of me to not want to let this go???

davidgray624 · « **Reply #28 on:** Mar 29, 2006, 04:25 PM »

Quote from: MississaugaRed on Mar 29, 2006, 09:11 AM

Quote from: davidgray624 on Mar 29, 2006, 01:46 AM
This might be naive, but i just found out yesterday that members of the Academy could pick and choose what they wanted to watch. This fact really needs to be exposed. I now know that the Oscars really aren't qualified to be picking "best picture" (or any award for that matter!). The process is not fair. Plain and simple. This needs to get out to the public. The Oscars need to have their nose rubbed in the dirt. I definitely know that I will not watch a minute of the OScars until the voting process becomes fair for all movies.

You know, the one month anniversary of the BP fiasco at the Oscar's is coming up. I think the Academy is hoping that all the fuss that took place in the first weeks after will die down and all the unhappy people will go away, to return next year supporting the Oscars like nothing happened, la de da.

I'd like to suggest, on April 5th, we all send ANOTHER message via e-mail to the Academy through their website, letting them know we haven't forgotten, we're not going away, and next year they'll be getting slammed as hard as possible because we'll be reminding everyone of the joke that is their voting process.

Is it wrong of me to not want to let this go???

I think that is a great idea! We need to let the Academy know that we are not going away until we are heard and things have changed. How should we go about doing this letter?