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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #30 on: Mar 18, 2006, 12:35 PM »
there are sometimes when the words are not needed, this is the case the look on their eyes the need of keep seeing each other and the long travels they did to be together was the real way of showing that they love each other. i'm not going to lie i was hoping that they would claim their love but i was aware that they wouldn't do it. they express their love in the way that was best for them by seeing each other. When you love someone no matter what happens you always keep the link open to be with that person (Oh no! i'm crying again) Jack and Ennis are the most wonderful examples their relationship lasted so long because none of them give up on that.

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #31 on: Mar 18, 2006, 01:42 PM »
there are sometimes when the words are not needed, this is the case the look on their eyes the need of keep seeing each other and the long travels they did to be together was the real way of showing that they love each other. i'm not going to lie i was hoping that they would claim their love but i was aware that they wouldn't do it. they express their love in the way that was best for them by seeing each other. When you love someone no matter what happens you always keep the link open to be with that person (Oh no! i'm crying again) Jack and Ennis are the most wonderful examples their relationship lasted so long because none of them give up on that.

matsuki33, I thank you.   "When you love someone no matter what happens you always keep the link open to be with that person"  - this statement of yours is Truth itself.

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #32 on: Mar 18, 2006, 02:13 PM »
Thanks Tpe! it is just something that my grandmother told us the day my mother passed away, she asked us the keep the link open so we would never forget her. i really identify with the feeling of not saying I love you, i mean i love my family and they loved me but we don't really say the word we show that by our way of treatment we are always together when it is needed and we say our love on our eyes. i do the same with my gilrfriend i had said to her I love you like 10 or 15 times but she knows i love her for the way i make her feel.  i truly believe that love is more than words is beyond that it can't be measure just with words.

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #33 on: Mar 18, 2006, 02:43 PM »
Thanks Tpe! it is just something that my grandmother told us the day my mother passed away, she asked us the keep the link open so we would never forget her. i really identify with the feeling of not saying I love you, i mean i love my family and they loved me but we don't really say the word we show that by our way of treatment we are always together when it is needed and we say our love on our eyes. i do the same with my gilrfriend i had said to her I love you like 10 or 15 times but she knows i love her for the way i make her feel.  i truly believe that love is more than words is beyond that it can't be measure just with words.

matsuki33, I cannot even begin to tell you how many times in my life I had realized the truth of your grandmother's statement.   There is a residue in the heart that stays forever -- no matter how much pain, no matter how much hurt, no matter how much doubt, no matter how much loss.

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #34 on: Mar 18, 2006, 02:47 PM »
exactly i know that, when my grandmother passed away i remember that i left my beedroom door open and i still do because she used to enter in my room and sing lullabies for me. this is one of the things that link me a lot with the movie even after they their link was more stronger than ever!  :'(

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #35 on: Mar 18, 2006, 07:09 PM »
It only makes the scenes where the two boys do exchange a loving "touch", all the more poignant and "real"...

I've found in my experience as a film buff, that "a little goes a long way"...(especially in films!)

Ang Lee made so many right decisions when making this film...!  Such great directing!

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #36 on: Mar 18, 2006, 07:12 PM »
Totally agree with you sam

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #37 on: Mar 18, 2006, 07:21 PM »
Yes, no one else could have done it this way.
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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #38 on: Mar 22, 2006, 07:42 AM »
yes, a little goes a long way: less is more. In another post someone commented on the "Asian" quality of Ang Lee's directing: long silences, slow takes.....every detail nuanced.......but the lack of touching and "I love you"s is of course part of the story, of inarticulate love, and on Ennis' part, supressed love.
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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #39 on: Mar 22, 2006, 10:30 AM »
Tombul,  I loved your story.  My family did not frequent excahnge endearments.  However, since my brother died at a young age we can not say I love you enough.  This has continued with my own kids.  I constantly say I love you.  You just never know when someone will not be there anymore.

Of course actions speak louder than words and I was very touched by the way Jack and Ennis displayed their love, but somehow I wish they gotten the opportunity to actually say those three little words to each other.  It's funny whenever I hear the song, "Noone's gonna love you like me." I think how nice it would have been if Ennis and Jack could have danced to that song together.  Pretty silly, but I picture it in my mind everytime I hear it.

Now I will play the devil's advocate.  I believe the lack of physical intimacy in this movie has helped its acceptance.  I am a heterosexual and to be brutally honest I did not enjoy seeing that first sexual scene.  Maybe, it was the violence of it.  I don't know.  I came away initially asking myself if this is the way men display affection for each other.  Even the kiss after four years time was a lttle rough for my liking. I am embarrassed to admit my ignorance and my stereotypng, but that is how I felt.  I was not offended at all by any other scene, including the second tent scene perhaps because of its tenderness.  So, perhaps the limited displays of affection were done purposely, so that more people could accept this movie and homosexuality?????????????

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #40 on: Mar 22, 2006, 03:26 PM »
Now I will play the devil's advocate.  I believe the lack of physical intimacy in this movie has helped its acceptance.  I am a heterosexual and to be brutally honest I did not enjoy seeing that first sexual scene.  Maybe, it was the violence of it.  I don't know.  I came away initially asking myself if this is the way men display affection for each other.  Even the kiss after four years time was a lttle rough for my liking. I am embarrassed to admit my ignorance and my stereotypng, but that is how I felt.  I was not offended at all by any other scene, including the second tent scene perhaps because of its tenderness.  So, perhaps the limited displays of affection were done purposely, so that more people could accept this movie and homosexuality?????????????

As someone who knew he was gay from about the age of nine but lived and grew in a rough area in Edinburgh, where to be a poof would get you beaten through school and onwards, I tried to be a good " straight" man and went out with a number of girls (and had sex with them) just to be " normal". I can assure you that rough and violent sex is not limited to gay men. Ask any women who has been abused regularly by a husband or partner. But in this film I think you are confusing aggression with raw last and passion. I feel the first sex scene is exactly what I would have expected from a straight man in the 1960's. He was part disgusted with his feelings but overcoms by the passion and strength of his feelings at that point. Also in the 1960's " new man" who is supposedly more in touch with his feelings was still 30 years or so away. Men looked on sex as a right and as an extension of their masculinity. Women in those days were not supposed to enjoy sex.

This film is set in the same decade that Lady Chatterleys Lover was brought to trial in the UK. It was said at that time that the book was too rude for women and that women were not interested in sex. So I don't think we can look at the "sex" in this movie through 2006 eyes. The lack of affection shown by men was typical at that time. I grew up in the sixties and my father was one of 13 children and my mother one of 10 ...and I never once saw a single Uncle or Aunt show affection to each other. The ones of my generation and younger all do.

As for the kiss - well after being apart for 4 years. Have you never watched a soldier on the news home from a tour of duty, kiss his wife and be kissed so passionately as if they are the only two people on the planet. Jack and Ennis were apart for 4 years and longed for each other the whole time, it is evident in what has been voted one of the best kisses ever in a movie

Sorry to ramble , but this got to me.

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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #41 on: Mar 22, 2006, 05:27 PM »
Thanks Tom, great posting, you make a lot of sense.
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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #42 on: Mar 22, 2006, 05:53 PM »
My thanks too Tom, your post makes a great deal of sense. Now I'm confused about another post of yours on a different thread but I'll address it there.
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Re: A new discovery
« Reply #43 on: Mar 22, 2006, 06:42 PM »
As for the kiss - well after being apart for 4 years. Have you never watched a soldier on the news home from a tour of duty, kiss his wife and be kissed so passionately as if they are the only two people on the planet. Jack and Ennis were apart for 4 years and longed for each other the whole time, it is evident in what has been voted one of the best kisses ever in a movie

I agree...not just soldiers, but people who have been appart for years embrace that way too.

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