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are they real names?
« on: Jan 05, 2006, 07:05 PM »
I know Proulx makes up names that aren't really out there, like in Shipping News, but are
Ennis, alma and Lureen real names of people in the world?
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #1 on: Jan 05, 2006, 07:08 PM »
Ennis is Irish...From the name of a town in Ireland.

Alma is English...Modern name meaning either "nourishing" from Latin or "the soul" from Spanish.

Lureen comes from the English name Lauren...From the Roman cognomen Laurentius, which meant "of Laurentum". Laurentum was a city in ancient Italy, its name probably deriving from Latin laurus "laurel". Saint Laurence was a 3rd-century deacon and martyr from Rome. According to tradition he was roasted alive on a gridiron because, when ordered to hand over the church's treasures, he presented the sick and poor.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #2 on: Jan 05, 2006, 07:13 PM »
Quote from: frog123 on Jan 05, 2006, 07:08 PM
Ennis is Irish...From the name of a town in Ireland.

Alma is English...Modern name meaning either "nourishing" from Latin or "the soul" from Spanish.

Lureen comes from the English name Lauren...From the Roman cognomen Laurentius, which meant "of Laurentum". Laurentum was a city in ancient Italy, its name probably deriving from Latin laurus "laurel". Saint Laurence was a 3rd-century deacon and martyr from Rome. According to tradition he was roasted alive on a gridiron because, when ordered to hand over the church's treasures, he presented the sick and poor.

Cool, thanks for posting this.  do you know if people out there have these names?  I guess I can google and see!
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #3 on: Jan 05, 2006, 07:22 PM »
I looked and it appears there are people  named Lureen but not Alma or Ennis, there are a  lot
of US cities called Ennis, even in Texas! 
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #4 on: Jan 05, 2006, 07:23 PM »
Ennis is a very rare male name,  it is not used anymore,there are a few people (male and female)  born in the 20s/30s, early 40s who were called Ennis and who are still around. There are some people who have Ennis as their surnames!

Same for Alma.

Lureen is non-existent...well i cannot find it being used!
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #5 on: Jan 05, 2006, 07:43 PM »
I have an aunt (in Kentucky) named Loreen, but never heard of Lureen. Ennis is not so very uncommon in Kentucky either, but shoes and teeth are.  Ha ha ha.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #6 on: Jan 05, 2006, 08:53 PM »
I had a student whose middle name was "Alma."
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #7 on: Jan 05, 2006, 09:47 PM »
I know someone named Alma, but have never heard of another Lureen or Ennis.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #8 on: Jan 05, 2006, 10:31 PM »
You all are a riot on this name thing...Absolutely there are folks named Lureen, Ennis and Alma...My grandmother (God rest her soul) was Mary Alma Stewart and went by Alma.  It's a fairly old and Southern name.  You probably won't hear of many Almas today.  Ennis...that's clearly a Southern version, and yes, there is an Ennis, Texas that I drove through just last Sunday afternoon.  Do I know anyone named Ennis?  No, but feel certain that there are a wide variety of Ennises to be found.  Lureen is yet another Southern version of Loreen, Lorene, Laureen, etc.  Lureen is just a little more clinch-lipped than some of the others.  These names go in cycles...For those of you who are contemplating children, here are yet three excellent examples of how you can be regularly reminded of BBM through your next generation!  "Now Ennis! Pick that mess up!  I don't want to have repeat myself!"  "Lureen, darling, come over here and tell me about your day!"  Apologies for taking humorous advantage of our open-mindedness on this forum....argh....

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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #9 on: Jan 05, 2006, 10:38 PM »
Quote from: stationbbm on Jan 05, 2006, 10:31 PM
These names go in cycles...For those of you who are contemplating children, here are yet three excellent examples of how you can be regularly reminded of BBM through your next generation!  "Now Ennis! Pick that mess up!  I don't want to have repeat myself!"  "Lureen, darling, come over here and tell me about your day!"  Apologies for taking humorous advantage of our open-mindedness on this forum....argh....

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It is funny that you mentioned it. I have thought of using these names for my future pets.  ;D
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #10 on: Jan 05, 2006, 10:52 PM »
I've always liked the name Jack, even before BBM but now I have a strange urge to name my firstborn son Ennis!
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #11 on: Jan 06, 2006, 12:07 AM »
From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea."  And my god, is he ever insular, huh?
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #12 on: Jan 06, 2006, 09:46 AM »
Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 06, 2006, 12:07 AM
From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea."  And my god, is he ever insular, huh?


Wonderful.  'Island of the Sea'.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #13 on: Jan 06, 2006, 10:18 AM »
Is Brokeback a real Mountain/Place?
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #14 on: Jan 06, 2006, 10:22 AM »
Quote from: Canata on Jan 06, 2006, 10:18 AM
Is Brokeback a real Mountain/Place?

According to Proulx: no.  But there is supposedly a Break Back Mountain in Wyoming whose name she used as a starting point for her own mountain.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #15 on: Jan 06, 2006, 10:35 AM »
I can't find Brokeback Mountain on Mapquest or Google Earth.  Does anyone know where it is?  Also, has anyone else heard about the contest whose prize is five days and four nights at Brokeback Mountain sponsored by Wyoming Chamber of Commerce?  I'd love to go there and spread my 22 year old dead kitty's (Molly) ashes...
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #16 on: Jan 06, 2006, 10:57 AM »
Quote from: jimnick on Jan 06, 2006, 10:35 AM
I can't find Brokeback Mountain on Mapquest or Google Earth.  Does anyone know where it is?  Also, has anyone else heard about the contest whose prize is five days and four nights at Brokeback Mountain sponsored by Wyoming Chamber of Commerce?  I'd love to go there and spread my 22 year old dead kitty's (Molly) ashes...
Jim

Here is an excerpt from a Proulx interview about the subject.  The interview is in the Planet Jackson Hole website:
http://www.planetjh.com/testa_2005_12_07_proulx.html


PJH: It seems there could be no other name for this story than "Brokeback Mountain" ­ it conjures a remote, sublimely beautiful place, but it's also an ominous name, suggestive of physical harm and disfigurement. Is it a real place? How did you find the name?

AP: Brokeback is not a real place. There is, on a map I once saw, a Break Back Mountain in Wyoming which I have never seen, but the name worked on several levels and replaced half a dozen more pedestrian names I had been trying out.


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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #17 on: Jan 06, 2006, 11:18 AM »
Thanks TPE!
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #18 on: Jan 06, 2006, 01:00 PM »
Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 06, 2006, 12:07 AM
From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea."  And my god, is he ever insular, huh?


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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #19 on: Jan 06, 2006, 01:03 PM »
Someone Argentine on IMDb said Alma is quite a common woman's name in his home country in South America as is Del Mar.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #20 on: Jan 06, 2006, 01:56 PM »
I always thought Del Mar was a kinda wierd last name for Ennis... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Del Mar a Spanish name?
And it doesn't look like Ennis has any Spanish in him...
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #21 on: Jan 07, 2006, 08:29 AM »
Quote from: natalia on Jan 06, 2006, 01:56 PM
I always thought Del Mar was a kinda wierd last name for Ennis... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Del Mar a Spanish name?
And it doesn't look like Ennis has any Spanish in him...

http://www.delmar.ca.us/
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #22 on: Jan 08, 2006, 05:31 AM »
I live in California, and Alma is a very common name among the Hispanic population.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #23 on: Jan 16, 2006, 02:32 PM »
Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 06, 2006, 12:07 AM
From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea."  And my god, is he ever insular, huh?

Actually all of the name of the characters are symbollic. Like you said, Ennis Del Mar translates ino "Island in the sea" and is very descriptive of the character. As far as Jack Twist, I read an article online that the word "twist" is a bullriding/rodeo term used to describe the amount of strength a rider has in his thighs and butt to hold on to a bull. This can be interpreted several ways as to the Jack Twist character, metaphorically speaking, as to the hold he had on Ennis even after death, his tenacity and endurance of a relationship with a man that he desparately loved but could never be with more than twice a year over a 20 year span.
Alma is Spainish for "soul", I think that is especially symbollic of Alma Jr. more than her mom. Alma Jr seemed to be the only person  other than Jack who really understood Ennis-his other "soul mate" if you will.
There is a film by Werner Herzog called "Don Aguirre, Wraith of God" in which Klaus Kinski played a ruthless conquerer who cares only about riches and exploits the people (I think Mayans?) as if he were a God. I don't think that it is a coincidence that this is the name Prolux gives to Joe Aguirre, Ennis and Jack's boss on BBM. Brokeback is like Eden to the two lovers and they are peaceful and happy until Aguirre sees them through his binoculars and cuts the job short, thus making them leave Eden/BBM
like a "wraithful God".
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #24 on: Jan 16, 2006, 02:41 PM »
Quote from: mikkiday on Jan 16, 2006, 02:32 PM
Quote from: borger1582 on Jan 06, 2006, 12:07 AM
From posters on other boards: "Ennis" is archaic gaelic (Irish) for "Island", thus "Ennis del Mar" = Island (alone) in the sea."  And my god, is he ever insular, huh?

Actually all of the name of the characters are symbollic. Like you said, Ennis Del Mar translates ino "Island in the sea" and is very descriptive of the character. As far as Jack Twist, I read an article online that the word "twist" is a bullriding/rodeo term used to describe the amount of strength a rider has in his thighs and butt to hold on to a bull. This can be interpreted several ways as to the Jack Twist character, metaphorically speaking, as to the hold he had on Ennis even after death, his tenacity and endurance of a relationship with a man that he desparately loved but could never be with more than twice a year over a 20 year span.
Alma is Spainish for "soul", I think that is especially symbollic of Alma Jr. more than her mom. Alma Jr seemed to be the only person  other than Jack who really understood Ennis-his other "soul mate" if you will.
There is a film by Werner Herzog called "Don Aguirre, Wraith of God" in which Klaus Kinski played a ruthless conquerer who cares only about riches and exploits the people (I think Mayans?) as if he were a God. I don't think that it is a coincidence that this is the name Prolux gives to Joe Aguirre, Ennis and Jack's boss on BBM. Brokeback is like Eden to the two lovers and they are peaceful and happy until Aguirre sees them through his binoculars and cuts the job short, thus making them leave Eden/BBM
like a "wraithful God".

Wow that is so interesting! Thank you so much, I love what you say about Alma Jr. and Aguirre's meaning is very interesting too. Do you think Annie Proulx has seen it?
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #25 on: Jan 16, 2006, 05:59 PM »
That is so perceptive.  It just gets deeper and deeper...

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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #26 on: Jan 16, 2006, 11:08 PM »
I don't know if Proulx has seen "Don Aguirre," she is so diverse, it would not surprise me. She is a fascinating, multi-faceted writer.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #27 on: Jan 18, 2006, 01:08 AM »
To be frankly honest, the first time I heard the name Ennis Del Mar it made me think of a quote from The Simpsons...

Krusty the Clown: There once was a man named Ennis.
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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #28 on: Jan 18, 2006, 06:07 PM »
... a limerick???

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Re: are they real names?
« Reply #29 on: Jan 19, 2006, 03:17 AM »
Oh, God, no ... I shudder to think what Krusty would use to rhyme with "Ennis."
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