Author Topic: Ennis says "I love you" in closet scene - Spoiler - New POLL (Read 100416 times)

tpe · « **Reply #90 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 05:40 PM »

Quote from: LuvJackNasty on Apr 12, 2006, 05:36 PM

It doesn't matter to me either. It was known and felt troughout the whole movie. With those two shirts, Jack was once again the ministering angel to Ennis, reaching out even in death to the love of his life.

Hello LuvJackNasty. I know we all agree in that most important point: that Ennis loved Jack. I doubt that any viewer would not have interpreted his silent embrace of the shirts as a declaration of love. It is a powerful expression -- that embrace. It was as if he was enveloping the dead Jack in his arms. He loved him then both physically and spiritually. I weep for him.

Tom · « **Reply #91 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 05:41 PM »

I don't really care if it's said or not. The movie was perfect for me as it stands.

I wasn't given a set of headphones when I entered the cinema and the sound was not at it's maximum level. This tells me that if it is there it is an addition sotte voce from Heath as is / was the one from Jake in the other thread. If the only way to hear this is to distort the volume levels and listen through headphones then obviously Ang didn't intend it to be heard.

Sometimes we try to over analyse and dissect things to the point you can no longer enjoy them for what they are.

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #92 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 05:49 PM »

Hello TPE!

That's all that is important- the love they had. I weep for them both. I can't imagine the feelings running through Ennis- their last time together was not a happy one, he never got to say goodbye, he's been denied the ashes. He has no closure and then he finds the shirts and embraces Jack. :'(

tpe · « **Reply #93 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 06:02 PM »

Hello again LuvJackNasty and Tom.

I know how important it is to declare one's love for all to hear and see. I am sure we three cherish such a declaration in real life. But I am also sure we three agree that as one grows old in love, silent actions take the place of words.

I am getting ahead of myself here, as this is a key element in my next write-up about the role of Jake's Jack Twist: you can see the deepening of that love between Ennis and Jack even as frustration and recriminations pile up between them over the years. And in most cases, those instances that tell you that the love is growing ever deeper is tinged by so much sadness and regret. This admixture is not a contradiction. It is how it is in real life. In bitterness and in hope, love forever deepens. In that end of all ends, there is silence: a knowing silence, a comforting silence, a silence that rings out louder than any sound on earth or in heaven. In that silence, love is deepest. In that deep silence, the voice of love can at last be heard.

We weep for him. We weep with him.

greenfrog · « **Reply #94 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 06:50 PM »

If somebody could please post a link than I shall listen and see if I can hear it.

Thank you

chameau · « **Reply #95 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 06:57 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on Apr 12, 2006, 06:50 PM

If somebody could please post a link than I shall listen and see if I can hear it.

Thank you

Good point!

Padmé Briseis · « **Reply #96 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:16 PM »

I don´t know, how to say it in Englisch (Sorry, my english is very poor) but I think Ennis didn´t say I love you. It was only "breath" (or exhaling...) I can´t find the best word but I hope you understand me

Ennis doesn´t say I love you .... my opinion.

chameau · « **Reply #97 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:27 PM »

Quote from: Padmé Briseis on Apr 12, 2006, 07:16 PM

I don´t know, how to say it in Englisch (Sorry, my english is very poor) but I think Ennis didn´t say I love you. It was only "breath" (or exhaling...) I can´t find the best word but I hope you understand me Ennis doesn´t say I love you .... my opinion.

Thanks for sharing, I share your point of view by the way. There is nothing to complaint about your English, you made your point and we understood. Keep posting plize!

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #98 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:33 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Apr 12, 2006, 06:02 PM

Hello again LuvJackNasty and Tom.

I know how important it is to declare one's love for all to hear and see. I am sure we three cherish such a declaration in real life. But I am also sure we three agree that as one grows old in love, silent actions take the place of words.

I am getting ahead of myself here, as this is a key element in my next write-up about the role of Jake's Jack Twist: you can see the deepening of that love between Ennis and Jack even as frustration and recriminations pile up between them over the years. And in most cases, those instances that tell you that the love is growing ever deeper is tinged by so much sadness and regret. This admixture is not a contradiction. It is how it is in real life. In bitterness and in hope, love forever deepens. In that end of all ends, there is silence: a knowing silence, a comforting silence, a silence that rings out louder than any sound on earth or in heaven. In that silence, love is deepest. In that deep silence, the voice of love can at last be heard.

We weep for him. We weep with him.

I agree. You always state things so eloquently.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #99 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:37 PM »

Ennis says, "I Love You"

chameau · « **Reply #100 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:39 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 12, 2006, 07:37 PM

Ennis says, "I Love You"

Really? I'm ain't sure

1 to go patriot1 and you bust 900...

off topic maybe?

Patriot1 · « **Reply #101 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:44 PM »

Quote from: chameau on Apr 12, 2006, 07:39 PM

Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 12, 2006, 07:37 PM

Ennis says, "I Love You"

Really? I'm ain't sure

I know you had to say something on topic so we will just pretend you did. To those of us who heard it, it means a lot. To the others, well, just pretend you didn't if that helps.

chameau · « **Reply #102 on:** Apr 12, 2006, 07:48 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 12, 2006, 07:44 PM

Quote from: chameau on Apr 12, 2006, 07:39 PM
Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 12, 2006, 07:37 PM

Ennis says, "I Love You"

Really? I'm ain't sure

I know you had to say something on topic so we will just pretend you did. To those of us who heard it, it means a lot. To the others, well, just pretend you didn't if that helps.

Honnestly I tried and wanted to hear it from the bottom of my heart

BTW Patriot1 happy 900!

I know

off topic

catdog3 · « **Reply #103 on:** Apr 13, 2006, 11:36 AM »

When i saw the movie at the theater in January, I knew there was alot of the quiet conversation between Jack and Ennis that I could not hear. I bought the DVD when it was released recently and the sound quality and picture quality is mutch better on my TV (HI_DEF and good speakers).

I did hear Ennis in the closet scene say "I love you" after someone from this forum pointed out to me where to look. Ennis puts the shirts up to his mouth, takes in a deep breath and begins to exhale when he says it rather quickly. My heart almost stopped when I heard it.

I could also hear other quiet conversations on the DVD that I could not hear in the theater. In the first tent scene, Jack does say "f*** me" twice. It occurs after Ennisn grunts at 28:21 and 28:23. Its pretty clear when you turn the volume up. I could hardly believe it. Maybe it was added to the DVD and not played in the theater version so that the general audiences would be more accepting of the movie.(On the DVD, the picture qualtiy in the tent scenes is also much better and brighter The tent scene in tbe theater was darkened. Again maybe to make it more acceptable to the general audience. Just a theory.)

In the second tent scene I was also able to hear "i,m sorry" ( I can't tell if Jack or Ennis who said it) followed by Jack caressing Ennis's face and saying two times "it's alright".

Finally, during the reunion scene, after Jack and Ennis hug and before any kiss, they pull slightly apart and look each other in the face and Ennis softly says"come here" then throws Jack into the wall and kisses him. Later when Jack has his hands alll over Ennis, Ennis pushes Jack's arms down to his side and quietly says to Jack "later".

I want to say thanks to everyonje for pointing these quiet consversations out. Most of them I missed at the theater.They are there.

Padmé Briseis · « **Reply #104 on:** Apr 13, 2006, 12:34 PM »

Quote from: catdog3 on Apr 13, 2006, 11:36 AM

When i saw the movie at the theater in January, I knew there was alot of the quiet conversation between Jack and Ennis that I could not hear. I bought the DVD when it was released recently and the sound quality and picture quality is mutch better on my TV (HI_DEF and good speakers).

I did hear Ennis in the closet scene say "I love you" after someone from this forum pointed out to me where to look. Ennis puts the shirts up to his mouth, takes in a deep breath and begins to exhale when he says it rather quickly. My heart almost stopped when I heard it.

I could also hear other quiet conversations on the DVD that I could not hear in the theater. In the first tent scene, Jack does say "f*** me" twice. It occurs after Ennisn grunts at 28:21 and 28:23. Its pretty clear when you turn the volume up. I could hardly believe it. Maybe it was added to the DVD and not played in the theater version so that the general audiences would be more accepting of the movie.(On the DVD, the picture qualtiy in the tent scenes is also much better and brighter The tent scene in tbe theater was darkened. Again maybe to make it more acceptable to the general audience. Just a theory.)

In the second tent scene I was also able to hear "i,m sorry" ( I can't tell if Jack or Ennis who said it) followed by Jack caressing Ennis's face and saying two times "it's alright".

Finally, during the reunion scene, after Jack and Ennis hug and before any kiss, they pull slightly apart and look each other in the face and Ennis softly says"come here" then throws Jack into the wall and kisses him. Later when Jack has his hands alll over Ennis, Ennis pushes Jack's arms down to his side and quietly says to Jack "later".

I want to say thanks to everyonje for pointing these quiet consversations out. Most of them I missed at the theater.They are there.

I heard only "later". Nothing more. Iam not sure about "come here". I heard something but I don´t know what was it. Maybe someone can grab(?-I don´t know how to say it in English) audio from this scenes and upload it somewhere.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #105 on:** Apr 17, 2006, 09:20 PM »

From the moment Ennis found the shirts, did anyone hear Ennis' breath or see his face? If you did, please describe what you saw and heard and tell us what you think that meant.

EDIT: And if you don't hear the "I love you" that is fine also. I am not looking for that.

greenfrog · « **Reply #106 on:** Apr 17, 2006, 09:21 PM »

Does anybody have a clip of this scene ?

I would love to be able to listen for it.

Thank you

Patriot1 · « **Reply #107 on:** Apr 17, 2006, 09:24 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on Apr 17, 2006, 09:21 PM

Does anybody have a clip of this scene ?

I would love to be able to listen for it.

Thank you

Moderators won't let us give out clips to the movie.

greenfrog · « **Reply #108 on:** Apr 17, 2006, 09:52 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 17, 2006, 09:24 PM

Quote from: greenfrog on Apr 17, 2006, 09:21 PM
Does anybody have a clip of this scene ?

I would love to be able to listen for it.

Thank you

Moderators won't let us give out clips to the movie.

Ahhh ... Alright then

chameau · « **Reply #109 on:** Apr 18, 2006, 08:00 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 17, 2006, 09:24 PM

Quote from: greenfrog on Apr 17, 2006, 09:21 PM
Does anybody have a clip of this scene ?

I would love to be able to listen for it.

Thank you

Moderators won't let us give out clips to the movie.

Thank you Patriot1

proulxfan · « **Reply #110 on:** Apr 27, 2006, 02:57 PM »

Well, if it is indeed there, (and I gotta admit if I were up on a witness stand and given an oath, I couldn't be absolutely sure that's what I hear) it meshes nicely with the final scene. If the discovery of the shirts is what finally brings Ennis to be able to verbalise his love for Jack, it is only natural for him to ask Alma Jr. if Kurt loves her, for now he understands and acknowleges the importance of love. Just a thought.

Patriot1 · « **Reply #111 on:** Apr 27, 2006, 03:03 PM »

Quote from: proulxfan on Apr 27, 2006, 02:57 PM

Well, if it is indeed there, (and I gotta admit if I were up on a witness stand and given an oath, I couldn't be absoutely sure that's what I hear) it meshes nicely with the final scene. If the discovery of the shirts is what finally brings Ennis to be able to verbalise his love for Jack, it is only natural for him to ask Alma Jr. if Kurt loves her, for now he understands and acknowleges the importance of love. Just a thought.

I think you are absolutely correct. I have always thought that even before I heard the "I love you." And I do hear him say "I love you."

Hanna · « **Reply #112 on:** Apr 27, 2006, 03:44 PM »

i'm so much waiting for the DVD!

cause last time i've seen bbm in theater (it's about a week ago, but i just remembered it), i saw ennis mouth form the words I love you! it was very clear. of course it could be just breathing, but it definately looked like this words! (i saw it in german, so i of course i couldn't hear it) in german you can hear a breath. i'm looking forward to check it, dvd is on the way :D

NoReins · « **Reply #113 on:** Apr 27, 2006, 05:16 PM »

Watched it very closely earlier and I still didn't hear or see it. All I hear is Ennis sighing loudly.

I am more than happy to watch it a few more times to see if I can hear it, though - purely in the interests of this discussion, you understand

Patriot1 · « **Reply #114 on:** Apr 27, 2006, 05:22 PM »

Quote from: NoReins on Apr 27, 2006, 05:16 PM

Watched it very closely earlier and I still didn't hear or see it. All I hear is Ennis sighing loudly.

I am more than happy to watch it a few more times to see if I can hear it, though - purely in the interests of this discussion, you understand

Of course we understand NoReins.

:D

But, you say you can't see it. That bothers me because you can definitely see his mouth move even if you can't hear the words.

He hugs the shirts, picks up the right sleeve, takes a deep inhale, starts to let it out and says, "I love you."

NoReins · « **Reply #115 on:** Apr 27, 2006, 05:32 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 27, 2006, 05:22 PM

Of course we understand NoReins. :D

But, you say you can't see it. That bothers me because you can definitely see his mouth move even if you can't hear the words.

He hugs the shirts, picks up the right sleeve, takes a deep inhale, starts to let it out and says, "I love you."

I didn't really expect to see it, to be honest - it was still light when I was watching and that affected the tv screen. All the bits that were in daylight were easy to see, but all the nighttime scenes, and those indoors, had reflections on the screen. Planning to watch it tomorrow night once it's dark so maybe I'll have more luck then.

Hanna · « **Reply #116 on:** Apr 27, 2006, 06:19 PM »

Quote from: Patriot1 on Apr 27, 2006, 05:22 PM

But, you say you can't see it. That bothers me because you can definitely see his mouth move even if you can't hear the words.

yes, that's what i meant. you can really see it!

keren_b · « **Reply #117 on:** Apr 28, 2006, 06:09 AM »

Last time I saw it in theatre I paid close attention - I saw his lips moving, they were definitelly moving, I didn't HEAR what he whispered there though, it could've been "I love you" but I still can't say for sure.

Koka · « **Reply #118 on:** Apr 28, 2006, 09:42 AM »

after this was brought to my attention ( thanks to Riobbm23

), I really concentrated on that scene during my 7th&8th theater viewing and I could have sworn I heard it. very subtle, very quite, like a soundless whisper ( yet another paradox ), as if being said through...air, unnoticable but yet, possible to sense.

NoReins · « **Reply #119 on:** Apr 28, 2006, 12:14 PM »

Oh my god - I saw his lips move, and I definitely him say something. It's breathed rather than spoken, but he says something. I'm still not 100% convinced it's "I love you", but what else would he say?

Had to be an ad-lib by Heath - wonder if he'll ever admit what he said? :'( :'( :'(

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Did you hear Ennis say "I love you" during the closet scene?

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