Topic: "We herded sheep up on Brokeback one summer"

[Jennis]

Patriot1,you said why didn't Lureen,contact Ennis,and i told you what she says in the film.i.e.She couldn't contact Ennis as she didn't know where he was from.If you think she did know and just didn't want to,or couldn't be bothered to tell him.That's a different story.Please don't insult my intelligence!
J.x

Jennis, I am talking about my conversation with tpe and Esme.  What are you talking about?

What you said to me earlier.That i should follow the conversation with you sometime?
J.x

Actually I didn't say that. what I did say was,

Jennis, you have to follow the conversation sometime with me.  I will answer a persons statements as if they were true in order to show them that what they have said in not necessarily true.

I was meaning my conversation with Esme at that time.

Esme said,

Jack did tell Lureen that he wanted Ennis to scatter the ashes, and how to get in touch with him, but he only told here once in passing as I don't think he had time to tell her right BEFORE he dies. Lureen didn't want that, after all she thought Ennis was just a buddy, i can't see Jack telling Lureen why Ennis was special.

All emphasis add by Patriot1

So, going along with Esme that Jack did tell Lureen Ennis' information, I asked the question,

Jack dies.  Like you say, Lureen didn't want Ennis to scatter Jack's ashes because they were just "buddys."  Why then, didn't Lureen contact Ennis after Jack died and tell him that Jack wanted to be scattered over Brokeback and ask that Ennis take her and her son to Brokeback so she could do that? 

I was trying to get Esme to see that Jack never told Lureen anything about Ennis.  By asking the question I was trying to get Esme to think about it and come to the same conclusion rather than me just telling Esme she was wrong. 

Then, you chimed in with,

'' Jack dies.  Like you say, Lureen didn't want Ennis to scatter Jack's ashes because they were just "buddys."  Why then, didn't Lureen contact Ennis after Jack died and tell him that Jack wanted to be scattered over Brokeback and ask that Ennis take her and her son to Brokeback so she could do that?''

Patriot1,If you recall,Lureen said to Ennis on the telephone...

"I would have let you know,but i wasn't sure about your name or address.Jack kept his friends addresses in his head"

Jennis.x

I know Jack never told Lureen anything about Ennis and YOU knew that Laureen didn't know Ennis' info. So that is when I said to you,

Jennis, you have to follow the conversation sometime with me.  I will answer a persons statements as if they were true in order to show them that what they have said is not necessarily true.

What I meant was that you have to follow the conversation between Esme and myself.  I know, I worded it poorly.  But then I went on to tell you that,

I will answer a persons statements as if they were true in order to show them that what they have said is not necessarily true.

At which point you took offense and here we are with me explaining what I meant.

Did I explain?  Do you understand that I was not offending you?  If not, and seeing this is all WAY off topic, I will continue to explain in a PM.

Forget it.On here and personally.I'm not in the mood.Just go back to the thread and we will say no more about it.The thread has actually gone way off anyway.I am as guilty as the next person for talking about other scenes,but in fairness to Christie maybe it should get back to what she originally wanted an opinion on.Which is.Does Ennis confess his love/feelings for Jack.

Well,my gut instinct tells me if he did,then it was inadvertently.There are no clear cut answers.Only opinions.But i hope that all our views and observations have helped Christie in some small way?
Jennis.x

[Rønnaug]

I was trying to get Esme to see that Jack never told Lureen anything about Ennis.  By asking the question I was trying to get Esme to think about it and come to the same conclusion rather than me just telling Esme she was wrong. 

however much I enjoy both watching and beeing part of a good fight I think I wanna step in here and say that noone is right or wrong here. That is the beauty with a work of art, be it a painting, a piece of music or a film. The instant it leaves the creators ( in this case Angs) hands it is free to interpret which ever say you want... when I see this scene, and think avout It I interpret it that way, that mayby Lureen didn't tell all she knwe, and was a kiniving little bitch who didn't want Jacks wishes to be carried out so lied flat out to Ennis... I have a feeling women can do this

I love how we can discuss things form different pov's and sometimes things are sayd that makes me believe differently than I did at firsts, here I do not

[Sunflower79]

Ennis may said it because they did work sheep together and maybe Lurren didn't know that..she may have hung up on him if she felt the person calling didnt have any connection to her husband. By stating this Ennis is letting her know that Jack and him were friends and worked together.  She did seem a little wary of him when he called like she didn't know him which of course she didn't..He was making the connection between himself and how he knew Jack.

[christie wood]

There are no clear cut answers.Only opinions.But i hope that all our views and observations have helped Christie in some small way?
Jennis.x

Hi Jennis, thanks for saying this, because I felt the discussion was getting a little too intense and o/t.  I can hardly complain though, as I am the world's worst for taking part in a discussion on a particular thread and going off on a tangent, and it is really easy to do when discussing such an intricate and multi-layed story such as BBM. This just goes to show how much there is in just one scene, and how we can all see different things in it.  And that is the whole point of a discussion forum - to exchange opinions, views and observations and to hopefully gain new insight.  After reading everyone's views on this thread, I still come to the conclusion that Ennis was unintentionally acknowledging what he and Jack meant to each other, and the significance of Brokeback Mountain to both of them.  I don't think he knew or cared how his words would affect Lureen, as he was too caught up in his own devastation and heartbreak to notice.

[tpe]

Thank all for your patience and understanding.

I have nothing to add but to say that I appreciate all opinions laid out in this most wonderful thread.  Lively discourse is part of the beauty of it all, and I encourage all you wonderful people to continue showing the restraint and sensitivity that such beauty calls out within each and every one of us here.