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Re: Priceless - OMEGA moments
« Reply #30 on: Mar 21, 2008, 01:59 AM »
Brokeback Mountain contains numerous scenes that are touched with cinematic enchantment. Almost every scene is like a treasure. The first kiss in the tent is arguably the most passionate scene. (Love the way Ang shot it so the fire in the background danced between their lips) Ennis finding his shirt in Jack’s room is arguably the saddest moment. (It tore me apart)

But the gem... the OMEGA of Brokeback moments is the "Embrace from behind' flashback. Where it's placed in the film, in combination with the haunting music, allows it to evoke an emotional blend of melancholic saddens as well as utter bliss. The scene even feels imbued with all the emotional acuity of beautify realized tone poem. It’s the crucial, most blatant moment to render how much Ennis and Jack love each other and how their indelible bond will forever go unparalleled. A brief moment in their lives where both are fully at peace- their bodies close, gently swaying together in the mountain air. It's an achingly beautiful sequence.

What do you think?


I think I have to agree. As I sit here listening to All I Need by Radiohead, all I can do is cling to an agreement that this scene transcends and lives somewhere much softer than the surface of earth.  <^(
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #31 on: Mar 23, 2008, 09:59 PM »
I love the scene after Ennis has already broken up with Cassie, and he's sitting at the table eating, and Cassie comes up and talks to him. Ennis looks so sad, so detached, and lonely, it makes you just want to hug him. And then he says, "I probably wasn't much fun anyway." It's a very "awwwww" moment for me.

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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #32 on: Mar 24, 2008, 08:17 AM »
Seeing this thread reactivated is like seeing a ghost...

The scene with Cassie is so close to the nadir of the cinematic curve of the film -- so soon after the intense Final confrontation.  I admit that my heart goes out to Cassie in this scene, but you get the feeling that Ennis at last understood that he had to break away, if only to keep her from further disappointment.


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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #33 on: Mar 24, 2008, 05:20 PM »
Seeing this thread reactivated is like seeing a ghost...

The scene with Cassie is so close to the nadir of the cinematic curve of the film -- so soon after the intense Final confrontation.  I admit that my heart goes out to Cassie in this scene, but you get the feeling that Ennis at last understood that he had to break away, if only to keep her from further disappointment.


Completely agree.And at the same time,she teaches him a great part of how to love and how to give oneself fully,no?.It wasn´t a wasted time this that Ennis spent with Cassie at the end...
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #34 on: Mar 24, 2008, 05:44 PM »
My most beautiful scene for me is the one after Ennis and Alma divorce, Jack drives up to meet Ennis after getting the divorce card and had so much hope that they could go on together, but Ennis say's i don't know what to say.
The whole scene from the ride to Ennis until he drives home again is so full of hope, Jack really thought Ennis wrote him to ask him to be together.
And when his hope is denied he's so sad...boy that drove a stick trough my heart
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #35 on: Mar 25, 2008, 06:17 AM »
My most beautiful scene for me is the one after Ennis and Alma divorce, Jack drives up to meet Ennis after getting the divorce card and had so much hope that they could go on together, but Ennis say's i don't know what to say.
The whole scene from the ride to Ennis until he drives home again is so full of hope, Jack really thought Ennis wrote him to ask him to be together.
And when his hope is denied he's so sad...boy that drove a stick trough my heart
And it's more priceless-what can be in a positive or negative sense-because it confirms the lack of a real communication they have always had.In the end of this scene Jack(who has always had a word to say,to share and to make his feelings remarkable)seems to feel himself naked before Ennis in an emotional sense for having made this trip and what it means to him...and he's silent.And,if you realise it,Ennis,the real silent,the close in himself,the man with few words and an intense inner life,wants to start a conversation-perhaps to find a solution for them during these days?-murmuring a shy "Jack...",but his lover runs from him without a word.It's curious this "change" of reactions and attitudes in them...
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #36 on: Mar 25, 2008, 06:51 AM »
And it's more priceless-what can be in a positive or negative sense-because it confirms the lack of a real communication they have always had.In the end of this scene Jack(who has always had a word to say,to share and to make his feelings remarkable)seems to feel himself naked before Ennis in an emotional sense for having made this trip and what it means to him...and he's silent.And,if you realise it,Ennis,the real silent,the close in himself,the man with few words and an intense inner life,wants to start a conversation-perhaps to find a solution for them during these days?-murmuring a shy "Jack...",but his lover runs from him without a word.It's curious this "change" of reactions and attitudes in them...


I never heard that ...the murmuring ...i had to watch the dvd again with headphones on to listen...you are right!!
Thanks for pointing that out to me  ^f^
Jack runs off without a word because he only heard the denial, he couldnt listen to anything else.
When i put myself in that situation i also would be running off.
This scene is so close to my heart because i was once in the same situation..so i can fully understand Jack.
All that hope...poef...all gone in one blow...
 
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #37 on: Mar 25, 2008, 07:03 AM »
Completely agree.And at the same time,she teaches him a great part of how to love and how to give oneself fully,no?.It wasn´t a wasted time this that Ennis spent with Cassie at the end...

I think that in one sense, she did shame him in that scene.  As you had implied, it is a pendant that reinforces the final confrontation scene with Jack.  To a certain extent, Jack and Cassie speak the same message.


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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #38 on: Mar 25, 2008, 07:06 AM »
My most beautiful scene for me is the one after Ennis and Alma divorce, Jack drives up to meet Ennis after getting the divorce card and had so much hope that they could go on together, but Ennis say's i don't know what to say.
The whole scene from the ride to Ennis until he drives home again is so full of hope, Jack really thought Ennis wrote him to ask him to be together.
And when his hope is denied he's so sad...boy that drove a stick trough my heart

The latter part of this 2-part scene is what makes it difficult for me.  But watching the movie for the very first time, you are indeed made glad by Jack's optimism as he drives to Ennis's home, and are deeply moved by the rejection.


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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #39 on: Mar 25, 2008, 07:28 AM »
I never heard that ...the murmuring ...i had to watch the dvd again with headphones on to listen...you are right!!
Thanks for pointing that out to me  ^f^
Jack runs off without a word because he only heard the denial, he couldnt listen to anything else.
When i put myself in that situation i also would be running off.
This scene is so close to my heart because i was once in the same situation..so i can fully understand Jack.
All that hope...poef...all gone in one blow...


 :ghug:  ^f^

This is also how I'm connected to many parts of this story.

Thanks mpj and Thomas for the great input as well. :cr)
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #40 on: Mar 25, 2008, 07:36 AM »
:ghug:  ^f^

This is also how I'm connected to many parts of this story.

Thanks mpj and Thomas for the great input as well. :cr)

You're welcome orangetruck.

I think everyone who has experienced rejection in one form or another will relate very much to what Jack went through in that scene...


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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #41 on: Mar 25, 2008, 08:01 AM »
I never heard that ...the murmuring ...i had to watch the dvd again with headphones on to listen...you are right!!
Thanks for pointing that out to me  ^f^
Jack runs off without a word because he only heard the denial, he couldnt listen to anything else.
When i put myself in that situation i also would be running off.
This scene is so close to my heart because i was once in the same situation..so i can fully understand Jack.
All that hope...poef...all gone in one blow...
You're welcome,Anaconda¡ ^f^  Yes,you say "Jack runs off without a word because he only heard the denial,he couldn't listen to anything else...",I guess there's implicit in this phrase that he didn't listen,whatever his feelings were.I also understand Jack here because there was several times in which I felt the same-also for the other person's fears before society and before her own feelings-.But it doesn't mean that I don't believe their lack of communication as one of the main faults they had as a couple.And that Jack,who was always listening to Ennis rejections and denials,for his disgrace,that time made his deceivement greater than his need to know why...
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #42 on: Apr 02, 2008, 04:43 PM »
   

  The most priceless scene for me is during the confrontation scene when it goes back 20 years
   and ennis walks up behind jack and puts his arms round him and says your sleeping on your feet like a horse
   to me that is just priceless.
if time were not a moving thing if i could make it stay this hour of love we share would allways be
there would be no coming days to shine a morning  light make us realise our night is over.

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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #43 on: Apr 03, 2008, 05:16 AM »
A pricless scene for me is when Ennis comes back downstairs with the shirts and Mrs, Twist and Ennis exchange a look  before and after placing the shirts in the bag.  She knows... and Ennis knows she knows. Priceless.
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #44 on: Apr 03, 2008, 07:58 AM »
   

  The most priceless scene for me is during the confrontation scene when it goes back 20 years
   and ennis walks up behind jack and puts his arms round him and says your sleeping on your feet like a horse
   to me that is just priceless.

Yes, for Jack (and for me), the DE is perhaps the most priceless scene in the entire movie.


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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #45 on: Apr 03, 2008, 08:00 AM »
A pricless scene for me is when Ennis comes back downstairs with the shirts and Mrs, Twist and Ennis exchange a look  before and after placing the shirts in the bag.  She knows... and Ennis knows she knows. Priceless.

This is certainly one of the most moving scenes in the movie, so soon after the discovery of the shirts.  Not even the presence of John Twist marred it for me.  Perhaps his presence even hightened it for me, because Ennis felt that he had to repress his feelings that that point.




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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #46 on: Apr 03, 2008, 09:36 AM »
A pricless scene for me is when Ennis comes back downstairs with the shirts and Mrs, Twist and Ennis exchange a look  before and after placing the shirts in the bag.  She knows... and Ennis knows she knows. Priceless.

This is certainly one of the most moving scenes in the movie, so soon after the discovery of the shirts.  Not even the presence of John Twist marred it for me.  Perhaps his presence even hightened it for me, because Ennis felt that he had to repress his feelings that that point.


Yes,it's almost heartbreaking the communication based in a deep respect and understanding that is established between these two persons; each one of them know what the other knows but there´s a main point both of them know.That they're the two persons in the world who has loved Jack the most and whom he had loved the most also.Indeed,Thomas,Old Twists presence only serves to increase this silent communication between them,far beyond the words they can't pronounce before him.

Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #47 on: Apr 03, 2008, 01:43 PM »
A pricless scene for me is when Ennis comes back downstairs with the shirts and Mrs, Twist and Ennis exchange a look  before and after placing the shirts in the bag.  She knows... and Ennis knows she knows. Priceless.

Following suit, I find this haunting and bittersweet. A reckoner of sour timing coming to slap me around. She knows, yeah. And then the scenario of Ennis having met her while Jack was alive, enters my mind and kicks my ass. I think the whole chamber of the Twists' is remarkable, and how it sits so robustly planted under that vivid sky enchants me to no end...

I agree, her eyes are priceless.
Thanks for bringing up this scene.  :cr)
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #48 on: Apr 03, 2008, 02:58 PM »
 Orange truck,

Yep,  makes me wonder had Ennis met Mrs. Twist when Jack was alive , what effect it would've had on Ennis's decision to build a cabin and ranch up with Jack in LF. We'll never know, but Ennis finding her acceptance of he and Jack's love , he was shown everyone does'nt hate , he knew he had found a true friend. Wether that would have been enough? who knows? His eyes and her eyes tell the story of what could've been. I felt like Jack's sprit was in that room all along watching. He was so close,yet so far . It's part of the huge tradgedy of the film.  :\'(
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #49 on: Apr 03, 2008, 03:03 PM »
Orange truck,

Yep,  makes me wonder had Ennis met Mrs. Twist when Jack was alive , what effect it would've had on Ennis's decision to build a cabin and ranch up with Jack in LF. We'll never know, but Ennis finding her acceptance of he and Jack's love , he was shown everyone does'nt hate , he knew he had found a true friend. Wether that would have been enough? who knows? His eyes and her eyes tell the story of what could've been. I felt like Jack's sprit was in that room all along watching. He was so close,yet so far . It's part of the huge tradgedy of the film.  :\'(

Ugh, such a beautiful description. It really sinks in deep. I felt Jack's spirit too, rendering the emotion so frustrating.  :\'(
Such a scene indeed.  ^f^
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Re: Priceless - possible spoilers
« Reply #50 on: Apr 04, 2008, 07:59 AM »
The forced restarint that Ennis had to maintain throughout his meeting with Jack's parents in LF is the element that gives these scenes a subdued beauty, even as they break our hearts...