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« Reply #510 on: Jun 08, 2007, 05:09 AM »
Ennis- "I can't stand it anymore!" 
I don't get what happened right after that scene.  Why didn't Ennis stay with Jack?  He just said it and left so to me it doesn't make sense.  I wish they showed a little more of that part to clear things up. 

   One of the techniques used in presenting the movie is borrowed from the prologue of the short story which describes Ennis getting started for a day.  The author refers to Ennis's dreams by stating that "he was suffused with peasure because jack Twist was in his dream.  ...He...lets a panel of the dream slide forward.  If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold time on the mountain, when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

  So, the film is told in "panels"  (or, alternatively, in "postcards"), small pictures of certain times or events in their lives.  It's also part of "never enough time, never enough" that we're never shown anything completely, just pictures of moments.  Most would agree there's far too little tent time, for example, but there are so many other things that are left to our imagination.  Randall, for example is shown in only one sequence in the movie and he doesn't exist at all in the short story, and although Jack is shown totally ignoring him and avoiding any answer about the fishin' cabin (croppie house in the story), some people have made him Jack's second lover.  Personally, and for many reasons, I don't think Randall ever got any further than the dance, but realizing that Jack betrays Ennis has become a necessity for many people.  I don't understand the "why" of this at all, but I've come to know that I'm in a tiny minority.  And that's OK, too, but the "incompleteness" of some of the scenes in the film is built in, I think, to give us some of the sense of frustration our boys had just in living their daily lives as well as with being able to share their love for one another.
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« Reply #511 on: Jun 08, 2007, 02:03 PM »
   One of the techniques used in presenting the movie is borrowed from the prologue of the short story which describes Ennis getting started for a day.  The author refers to Ennis's dreams by stating that "he was suffused with peasure because jack Twist was in his dream.  ...He...lets a panel of the dream slide forward.  If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold time on the mountain, when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

  So, the film is told in "panels"  (or, alternatively, in "postcards"), small pictures of certain times or events in their lives.  It's also part of "never enough time, never enough" that we're never shown anything completely, just pictures of moments.  Most would agree there's far too little tent time, for example, but there are so many other things that are left to our imagination.  Randall, for example is shown in only one sequence in the movie and he doesn't exist at all in the short story, and although Jack is shown totally ignoring him and avoiding any answer about the fishin' cabin (croppie house in the story), some people have made him Jack's second lover.  Personally, and for many reasons, I don't think Randall ever got any further than the dance, but realizing that Jack betrays Ennis has become a necessity for many people.  I don't understand the "why" of this at all, but I've come to know that I'm in a tiny minority.  And that's OK, too, but the "incompleteness" of some of the scenes in the film is built in, I think, to give us some of the sense of frustration our boys had just in living their daily lives as well as with being able to share their love for one another.

Love it. Very nicely said.  <^(
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« Reply #512 on: Jun 10, 2007, 01:42 PM »
orangetruck - 
 There is another indication of how things are going to go in this movie, at the very beginning, just after Ennis arrives at Aguirre's trailer.  He is shown leaning against the trailer, in the breaks between the passing freight cars in short shots, almost stills:  frieght car; Ennis; freight car; Ennis; freight car; Ennis; frieght car; etc., in a rhythm that has nothing to do with what's happening beyond the rhythm itself - but toward the end of the shot, suddenly we see that Ennis has moved his hand up to his mouth, and he's smoking, but we are not shown Ennis's hand going from near his pants pocket to his mouth.  I think that's something of how the film goes: without any preparation, we're shown a change.  We're shown that Jack's been aware of "feelings" between them from when they were still up on Brokeback in the DE, but not until the last time they talk with one another, 20 years later - while Ennis, 20 years later, has yet to name these strong desires he has to be with and continue to be with Jack as love.
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« Reply #513 on: Jun 10, 2007, 05:29 PM »
orangetruck - 
 There is another indication of how things are going to go in this movie, at the very beginning, just after Ennis arrives at Aguirre's trailer.  He is shown leaning against the trailer, in the breaks between the passing freight cars in short shots, almost stills:  frieght car; Ennis; freight car; Ennis; freight car; Ennis; frieght car; etc., in a rhythm that has nothing to do with what's happening beyond the rhythm itself - but toward the end of the shot, suddenly we see that Ennis has moved his hand up to his mouth, and he's smoking, but we are not shown Ennis's hand going from near his pants pocket to his mouth.  I think that's something of how the film goes: without any preparation, we're shown a change.  We're shown that Jack's been aware of "feelings" between them from when they were still up on Brokeback in the DE, but not until the last time they talk with one another, 20 years later - while Ennis, 20 years later, has yet to name these strong desires he has to be with and continue to be with Jack as love.

That's interesting. I had noticed the sketchy frames in the passing freight car, too.
I first wanna say this is a great post.  ^f^
I paritally agree about Jack finally being aware of the mutual feelings he looks back on from final confrontation. But I think he'd been having glimpses of such a thing, only now he's come to specifically place an image on the sparce vulnerability of Ennis' projection of love. Jack can encapsulate Ennis' ability to love a man inside one of those half black half white cold capsules. He just can't swallow it and feel better.
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« Reply #514 on: Jun 10, 2007, 07:29 PM »
That's interesting. I had noticed the sketchy frames in the passing freight car, too.
I first wanna say this is a great post.  ^f^
I partially agree about Jack finally being aware of the mutual feelings he looks back on from final confrontation. But I think he'd been having glimpses of such a thing, only now he's come to specifically place an image on the spar** vulnerability of Ennis' projection of love. Jack can encapsulate Ennis' ability to love a man inside one of those half black half white cold capsules. He just can't swallow it and feel better.

  One of the most interesting things about great art is that the greatest of it acts like a mirror to whoever perceives it.  Everybody sees themself in the greatest art, or can realistically relate it to their lives.  This is what elevates Brokeback among the greats  - short story or film (some even believe the minor discrepancies between the script and the film make the script eligible for this category....   :*(  ).
  Jack knows he wants Ennis, but even after the fall from the mountain he thinks for pretty much four years that it's over.  But even at that, unlike Ennis, he does go out to hookup with the occasional hustler or lonesome cowboy.  (One internet correspondent I met pre-Brokeback was a gay cowboy from eastern Washington state who asked me if I knew the difference between a straight cowboy and a gay one.  I said,
 "no;"  he said, "a six pack."   O0  ) Anyway, I think that Jack really likes the sex with Ennis, but knows that his heart is with him, too.  He's never had the "benefit" of an Earl-like experience in his life, and so does not behave in anywhere hear as self-restricted manner as Ennis.  Jack's been out drinkin' and foolin' around with other rodeo cowboys, so he knows a world of homosex much different than the world Ennis knows: Jack knows from experience that other guys like to do it with other guys; Ennis knows that two guys ranchin' up together = death.  OTOH, Ennis knows his life is all about the sex and the happiness of Jack and him together.  He doesn't know that the whole package is called love; Jack knows a lot more about sex than Ennis, but wants the daily partnership he's seen his parents have - he tries to be "loved."  The only other people in the film or story that Ennis "loves," and he says he loves them, are his little girls, and he knows that his "thing" with Jack is not the same thing.  IMO, Ennis can't believe it's love because he doesn't know what love between two adults is; Jack knows he's got plenty of what he needs coming from Ennis, but he desperately needs it to be identified as "love", to reassure himself of the worth his father stole from him as a child.  The real tragedy here is that both our boys have the love they need and want, but neither gets it that that's what they've got: and so it is, their own insecurities, beaten and shocked into them in childhood, which rule and destroy their lives.     :\'(
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« Reply #515 on: Jun 10, 2007, 07:58 PM »
  One of the most interesting things about great art is that the greatest of it acts like a mirror to whoever perceives it.  Everybody sees themself in the greatest art, or can realistically relate it to their lives.  This is what elevates Brokeback among the greats  - short story or film (some even believe the minor discrepancies between the script and the film make the script eligible for this category....   :*(  ).
  Jack knows he wants Ennis, but even after the fall from the mountain he thinks for pretty much four years that it's over.  But even at that, unlike Ennis, he does go out to hookup with the occasional hustler or lonesome cowboy.  (One internet correspondent I met pre-Brokeback was a gay cowboy from eastern Washington state who asked me if I knew the difference between a straight cowboy and a gay one.  I said,
 "no;"  he said, "a six pack."   O0  ) Anyway, I think that Jack really likes the sex with Ennis, but knows that his heart is with him, too.  He's never had the "benefit" of an Earl-like experience in his life, and so does not behave in anywhere hear as self-restricted manner as Ennis.  Jack's been out drinkin' and foolin' around with other rodeo cowboys, so he knows a world of homosex much different than the world Ennis knows: Jack knows from experience that other guys like to do it with other guys; Ennis knows that two guys ranchin' up together = death.  OTOH, Ennis knows his life is all about the sex and the happiness of Jack and him together.  He doesn't know that the whole package is called love; Jack knows a lot more about sex than Ennis, but wants the daily partnership he's seen his parents have - he tries to be "loved."  The only other people in the film or story that Ennis "loves," and he says he loves them, are his little girls, and he knows that his "thing" with Jack is not the same thing.  IMO, Ennis can't believe it's love because he doesn't know what love between two adults is; Jack knows he's got plenty of what he needs coming from Ennis, but he desperately needs it to be identified as "love", to reassure himself of the worth his father stole from him as a child.  The real tragedy here is that both our boys have the love they need and want, but neither gets it that that's what they've got: and so it is, their own insecurities, beaten and shocked into them in childhood, which rule and destroy their lives.     :\'(

Uh huh  ???

The whole process is kind of black and white. Fear or love. Past or future.
The past had them by the balls, but I still tend to believe their hearts, of which they weren't normally aware, had adjusted their manuals.
I think it's damn clear that Ennis had his childhood's fear branded onto his hyde, and I feel Jack had a very similar mark. But Jack had an eye for some gray areas, knew they could've existed. He may also have yearned a little more for 'love' than perhaps the neighbor Joe, sure. Jack hadn't been brainwashed with the image of death like Ennis had, so he had more leeway in the way of finding love on his own. And moreso than wanting to name what he had with Ennis 'love', he simply had the innocence to keep the dagger from his heart as well as Ennis's. And then, given his own troubled past, he became helplessly attached.
I am a sucker for the depths of faith and the attire of optimism. I certainly don't want to pose the lack of their childhood's significance. I just find it difficult to think of their time on Brokeback Mountain as something other than the top of their food chain; they had accessories such as  :f), bait, rifles, horses, sheep. And they had the backdrop of childhood, fear, and homophobic society, but the Mountain always had the powerful last word.

In final confrontation, Ennis' reverie of his Father presenting dead Earl seems to make another appearance with:

"All those things that I don't know will get you killed if I come to know them."
But alas, Ennis' true colors, his love for Jack tumbled down upon the mountain, and everything is torqued to that stark naked testament of love they'd come to subconciously embrace during that time back on Brokeback where nothing was wrong.
Because their childhood's had gotten them, but Brokeback got them good
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« Reply #516 on: Jun 10, 2007, 11:12 PM »
I love these posts, zephK and orangetruck.  Perceptive, poetic...  Such a rich subject.

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« Reply #517 on: Jun 11, 2007, 03:49 PM »
Thank you kindly Kathy.  I've met such great people here, and the site just seems to be conducive to conversational exchanges about ideas and feelings that we have about Brokeback.  Nice place, great folks -  I recommend it.       &**)       I do, too.  Tell everybody I know.
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« Reply #518 on: Mar 02, 2008, 10:17 PM »
I know this has been said, but I am new here and as I mentioned, I can't figure out my way around here yet.

That scene around the camp fire before the tent scene; When Ennis said "you may be a sinner, but I HAVEN'T YET HAD THE OPPORTUNITY." There was absolutely nothing else that could have meant, is there?

Could there have been any other meaning?

Sorry to bring up something that everybody may be done with, but give the poor newbie a break. :\'(

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« Reply #519 on: Mar 11, 2008, 11:27 PM »
I know this has been said, but I am new here and as I mentioned, I can't figure out my way around here yet.

That scene around the camp fire before the tent scene; When Ennis said "you may be a sinner, but I HAVEN'T YET HAD THE OPPORTUNITY." There was absolutely nothing else that could have meant, is there?

Could there have been any other meaning?

Sorry to bring up something that everybody may be done with, but give the poor newbie a break. :\'(

HL, I even felt that as a newbie after the forum had been around for five months when I came here.  So much had been talked about already, but at that time it wasn't all that difficult to go back to the beginning of a thread and read the whole thing...which I often did.

So yes, this has been talked about and talked about -- it is definitely a favorite scene!  And you are right, that this was clearly an admission by Ennis to Jack...and we could say, an invitation.  It could well mean that he was a virgin even with women (though that would make me start to discuss young men in the western ranch country in the early 60's and I may find that rather unlikely), and it certainly meant he's a virgin with men...and there are many other things that "sinner" could mean in the context of their lives.  Drinking and smoking sure weren't sins in their kinds of lives (not being "religious" per se), and we would doubt they were into any criminal activity except maybe some youthful shenanigans.  But whatever he meant by not having the opportunity to "sin" yet, it was clearly flirtatious!  I just love this scene.  Ennis is getting real comfortable there with his new bud.

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« Reply #520 on: Mar 11, 2008, 11:32 PM »
HL, I even felt that as a newbie after the forum had been around for five months when I came here.  So much had been talked about already, but at that time it wasn't all that difficult to go back to the beginning of a thread and read the whole thing...which I often did.

So yes, this has been talked about and talked about -- it is definitely a favorite scene!  And you are right, that this was clearly an admission by Ennis to Jack...and we could say, an invitation.  It could well mean that he was a virgin even with women (though that would make me start to discuss young men in the western ranch country in the early 60's and I may find that rather unlikely), and it certainly meant he's a virgin with men...and there are many other things that "sinner" could mean in the context of their lives.  Drinking and smoking sure weren't sins in their kinds of lives (not being "religious" per se), and we would doubt they were into any criminal activity except maybe some youthful shenanigans.  But whatever he meant by not having the opportunity to "sin" yet, it was clearly flirtatious!  I just love this scene.  Ennis is getting real comfortable there with his new bud.

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Mmm, I love it. Yep yep, Kathy, we do love this scene huh?  <^(
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« Reply #521 on: Jun 02, 2008, 10:48 PM »
I love these posts, zephK and orangetruck.  Perceptive, poetic...  Such a rich subject.

Me too (although they are almost a year old). Where have I been? In a quiet night like this, reading these posts are such a treat.

But whatever he meant by not having the opportunity to "sin" yet, it was clearly flirtatious!  I just love this scene.  Ennis is getting real comfortable there with his new bud.

Well said, Kathy. Thanks. I feel the same way and love this scene very much, especially the flirtatious tone from Ennis and seeing how he gradually opened up. Fine acting there. How could anyone not be flirted by his saying? Whatever the sins may be, I just love how laidback Ennis was.
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« Reply #522 on: Jul 10, 2008, 09:26 AM »
This movie is filled with memorable quotes. My favorites are:

Jack: "It could be like this, just like this, always."

Ennis: "If we're around each other, and this thing grabs hold on us again... In the wrong place... In the wrong time... We're dead."

Ennis: "As long as we can ride it. There ain't no reins on this one."

Jack: "The truth is, sometimes I miss you so much, I can hardly stand it."

Jack: "I wish I knew how to quit you."

Ennis: "Jack, I swear..."

It's about these scenes, I always start to cry. And I really mean - EVERY time I watch it. no kidding.
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« Reply #523 on: Jul 17, 2008, 10:45 AM »
And I'd add another one,very simple:-"Old Brokeback got us good...".I like the way Jack says these words. <^(  And,above all,I like it because it summarizes all what happenned on the mountain,both physically and emotionally.
Ennis’s eyes gone bright with shock, mouth opening then closing again. “Love?” Ennis said finally, voice strangling in his throat.

Jack smiled sad. “Yeah, Ennis. Love.” Leaned forward and kissed Ennis’s temple, whispered, “What’d you think it was, all this time?”
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« Reply #524 on: Jul 18, 2008, 07:28 AM »
I go back to what I remember to be my first post in this thread.  Although not explicitly in the film and not exactly a direct quote in film and short story, I still love this one best: "Let be, let be."


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« Reply #525 on: Jul 18, 2008, 11:11 AM »
I go back to what I remember to be my first post in this thread.  Although not explicitly in the film and not exactly a direct quote in film and short story, I still love this one best: "Let be, let be."



Yeah, Thomas!!!  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: My favorite too!!! In fact I started to listen more often to one of my favorite songs ever (Let it be- Beatles) just because of this quote!! That quote always makes me cry. It reminds me of all those years wasted, those broken dreams ...  :\'( :\'( :\'(

Then, I really love so so much a part, not a quote, of the SS too. For me it's BBM, all of BBM. It talks about what Ennis and Jack's lives were, about what we see in the film and about all the SS. It's romantic, and full of melancholic, and always give me goosebumps. When I read it all those images, that endless love and all what Ennis and Jack went through comes to my mind. I think that it's gonna be my tattoo very soon: ....That old, cold time on the mountain.... God, it's marvelous.  <^( <^( <^(

Then I just love to bits that "Just like this, always". This one is deep in my heart; very bittersweet.  <^( <^(  :\'( :\'(

And of course the memorable and classic  "Ain't no reins on this one", "The truth is, sometimes I miss you so much, I can hardly stand it", "I wish I knew how to quit you" and "Jack, I swear..."
Oh my, I got so emotional again...All quotes are really gorgeous and special, and I think I love all!! Every one has a meaning for me, and if I hear that people in street or at work say something smilar to one quote, I just want to cry, and I don't know why. Everything reminds me of BBM.

Sometimes, I like to think about "Texans don't drink coffee?"  or "You bet".  <^( <^( <^(

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« Reply #526 on: Jul 18, 2008, 02:32 PM »


Thanks Tammy!  You got my drift!  I think we should include in this thread any queites from the short story that are not realized VERBALLY in the screenplay, but are nonetheless embodies in the way the scenes were shot.

In the wordless scenes of the movie, I sometime sfeel that we are actually reading passages from the ss, word for unspoken word.


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« Reply #527 on: Jul 18, 2008, 05:11 PM »
  You know friend..." This is a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation":

   Jack's way of telling Ennis that the status quo is unacceptable. " you used ta come away easy" = Jack sensing Ennis is pushing them further apart than closer. He feels taken for granted.

Comon Jack, "lighten up on me"= *I'm trying my best to see you we I can...*

Never enough time, never enough"= hunting trips, rented cabins, a week here, a week there ...short term fixes to Jack, he's been waiting for 20 yrs for a long term committment where them being together will never have to end , where he'd never have to part  from Ennis again.

I wish I knew how to quit you"= I don't know how to stop loving ,needing, wanting you.


Why don't you then?  why don't you just let me be?It's cause a you, I'm like this, nuthin, nowhere"= He has sacrificed a lifetime to be with Jack when he could, so what does he have to show for it.?

 It's really not Jack's fault imo. To him it was like Ennis giving a starving man a little taste of food.
He has no control over what Ennis has felt for 20 yrs, he  has'nt forced Ennis to do any of it. It was Ennis who suggested standing it" ( which goes against Jack's basic demeanor) if you can't fix it to Jack  in the reunion scene ,although Jack had a good idea of how to fix it for good.  Now neither one can stand the status quo any longer. Perhaps it was time Ennis fixed it and  stop trying to stand it . Try it Jack's way. His was no longer working. His sacrifices were honorable of course, and Jack I feel acknowledged that by agreeing to meet secretly for so long, but  with a love this strong it was'nt enough. Sacrifices require some goal , some reward in the end. Jack sacrificed alot also. If he knew how to quit Ennis, he would've. He just could'nt begin to figure out how to really do it.  MO.
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« Reply #528 on: Jul 18, 2008, 05:19 PM »

"I wish I knew how to quit you" is probably the most famous line in the entire movie...


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« Reply #529 on: Jul 18, 2008, 05:25 PM »
"I wish I knew how to quit you" is probably the most famous line in the entire movie...



Yeah, that line, and maybe, "If you can't fix it you gotta stand it", right? And maybe then, "Just like this, always". But you're right. I read that in 2006 "I wish I knew how to quit you" was the line more said in the whole world!!!  (t) (t) (t) WOW!!

AF, I just love "never enough time, never enough". I think that's is another great important very famous quote, Thomas.

But if you stop to think about it just a second, you'll see that almost all quotes are important and famous, and of course, so beautiful.  <^( <^(

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« Reply #530 on: Jul 18, 2008, 05:46 PM »
Yeah, that line, and maybe, "If you can't fix it you gotta stand it", right? And maybe then, "Just like this, always". But you're right. I read that in 2006 "I wish I knew how to quit you" was the line more said in the whole world!!!  (t) (t) (t) WOW!!

AF, I just love "never enough time, never enough". I think that's is another great important very famous quote, Thomas.

But if you stop to think about it just a second, you'll see that almost all quotes are important and famous, and of course, so beautiful.  <^( <^(


"I wish I knew how to quit you"

and

"If you can't fix it you gotta stand it"

are probably the 2 most famous lines in the movie, no?    But for us, there are so many others that we also know by heart.  For such a short story and such a laconic movie realization (relaying less on words compared to other films), BBM certainly has a lot of richness.


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« Reply #531 on: Jul 19, 2008, 12:21 AM »

"I wish I knew how to quit you"

and

"If you can't fix it you gotta stand it"

are probably the 2 most famous lines in the movie, no?    But for us, there are so many others that we also know by heart.  For such a short story and such a laconic movie realization (relaying less on words compared to other films), BBM certainly has a lot of richness.



Beautifully said , Thank you.
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« Reply #532 on: Jul 19, 2008, 08:22 AM »
The one line that always intrigued me was when Jack said to Ennis that it was more words he spoke in two weeks  and Ennis answered "Hell, that's the most I've spoke in a year". 

Wow, what was it about Jack that made Ennis open up to him.  Was it  just the isolation of the mountain that forced him to open up to the only person there with him.  I think Ennis would have been just as content to be alone on that mountain with the sheep.   

But there was just something about Jack that made want to reveal more about himself.   Ennis was not totally isolated, he did have Alma, and the community they lived in.  Ennis would have been considered the "quiet type", man of few words, but on the contrary man with something to say, but no one to say to until he met Jack.

I think this is the first time Ennis ever really reached outside himself, to be himself, letting his guard down, knowing that someone would just listen. 

Maybe that was the moment it all began for the both of them.


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Re: Quotes
« Reply #533 on: Jul 19, 2008, 04:22 PM »
The one line that always intrigued me was when Jack said to Ennis that it was more words he spoke in two weeks  and Ennis answered "Hell, that's the most I've spoke in a year". 

Wow, what was it about Jack that made Ennis open up to him.  Was it  just the isolation of the mountain that forced him to open up to the only person there with him.  I think Ennis would have been just as content to be alone on that mountain with the sheep.   

But there was just something about Jack that made want to reveal more about himself.   Ennis was not totally isolated, he did have Alma, and the community they lived in.  Ennis would have been considered the "quiet type", man of few words, but on the contrary man with something to say, but no one to say to until he met Jack.

I think this is the first time Ennis ever really reached outside himself, to be himself, letting his guard down, knowing that someone would just listen. 

Maybe that was the moment it all began for the both of them.

I love that so much, too, manhattangirl.  Ennis saw that Jack would just listen to him, would really hear him.  Maybe he didn't want to think too much about those gorgeous doe-eyed looks that Jack would give him when he was watching him tho.  But yes, Ennis found someone who he felt was interested to hear whatever Ennis had to say.  And of course Jack was interested -- he hung on Ennis's every word, his secret in-love-ness as yet not revealed.  You know how it is when you're in love with someone -- you just want to hear him talk...

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« Reply #534 on: Jul 21, 2008, 08:40 AM »

I think this is the first time Ennis ever really reached outside himself, to be himself, letting his guard down, knowing that someone would just listen. 

I think so too.  We understand Jack's happiness in the end of that scene in this very context, IMO.  Jack understood that Ennis was trying to tell him that he (Jack) was special.


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« Reply #535 on: Jul 28, 2008, 06:29 PM »
How ironic was it during the confrontation after Ennis crumbled that he was the one to say "I can't stand this anymore, Jack"  That said a lot to me just how weary he was of trying to lead a double life and a lie about who he really was.

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« Reply #536 on: Jul 28, 2008, 06:36 PM »
How ironic was it during the confrontation after Ennis crumbled that he was the one to say "I can't stand this anymore, Jack"  That said a lot to me just how weary he was of trying to lead a double life and a lie about who he really was.

He thought he could it, but couldn't.

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« Reply #537 on: Jul 29, 2008, 07:04 AM »

"I wish I knew how to quit you"

and

"If you can't fix it you gotta stand it"

are probably the 2 most famous lines in the movie, no?    But for us, there are so many others that we also know by heart.  For such a short story and such a laconic movie realization (relaying less on words compared to other films), BBM certainly has a lot of richness.



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« Reply #538 on: Jul 29, 2008, 08:39 AM »
How ironic was it during the confrontation after Ennis crumbled that he was the one to say "I can't stand this anymore, Jack"  That said a lot to me just how weary he was of trying to lead a double life and a lie about who he really was.

IT was quite a surprise to Jack, I think.  He probably didn't realize how much Ennis also suffered.

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« Reply #539 on: Jul 29, 2008, 08:53 AM »
And ain't no reins on this one :)

THis of course, is also quite memorable!  For some reason, I think of our fellow member NoReins whenever I hear this quote!  :)