Topic: First Night In Tent

[forbiddenlovers]

Ok, and here's my big question for the day.

The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking?  I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.

What about you?

Ann

[tpe]

Ok, and here's my big question for the day.

The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking?  I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.

What about you?

Ann

Ann, both story and screenplay agree on this detail.  He took Ennis's hand and wrapped it around his c*ck.  You can see Gyllenhaal/Jack squirming with pleasure in this scene -- right before Ledger/Ennis awakes...

[tpe]

I qualify.  In the movie, he probably did not wrap it around it.  He probably was rubbing himself...

[forbiddenlovers]

Oh, I think I just need to get the book. I kinda wanna read it, but do you think after seeing the movie, I'll still be interested in it? Like, I'm afraid I'll start skipping through it because I've seen the movie. But, then again, I see so many things that were in the book that aren't in the movie, so I'm thinking it's well worth picking up and reading. I think it might answer some questions I have still Thanks!!

Is the book in paperback now, I'm sure?

[bram]

Ok, and here's my big question for the day.

The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking?  I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.

What about you?

Ann

Ann, both story and screenplay agree on this detail.  He took Ennis's hand and wrapped it around his c*ck.  You can see Gyllenhaal/Jack squirming with pleasure in this scene -- right before Ledger/Ennis awakes...

Most people don't seem to notice this right off. I don't think I noticed what he was doing until the third and last time I saw it in the theater. Now I watch it and can't believe I didn't catch it the first time.

[forbiddenlovers]

And, I need to pay more attention to this. I keep watching Ennis to see his expressions as he startles awake. I need to keep my eyes on Jack to check this

[tpe]

Hello Ann.  I love all three: story, screenplay, and movie.  Each is slightly different from the other.  You can appreciate any one of them without reference to the other.  They are all wonderfully done...

[keren_b]

I qualify.  In the movie, he probably did not wrap it around it.  He probably was rubbing himself...

And I doubt he did that just to keep them warm... 

[bram]

Oh, I think I just need to get the book. I kinda wanna read it, but do you think after seeing the movie, I'll still be interested in it? Like, I'm afraid I'll start skipping through it because I've seen the movie. But, then again, I see so many things that were in the book that aren't in the movie, so I'm thinking it's well worth picking up and reading. I think it might answer some questions I have still Thanks!!

Is the book in paperback now, I'm sure?

I don't think you'll skip around through it. It's not very long, since it is a short story.

[forbiddenlovers]

Wonderful. Well tonight, I'll pick up the book, tonight I'll watch the DVD again, and how could I read the screenplay on this? I love reading, so I think I'll be just fine not skipping through it, honestly, especially when it's BBM.
Yeah, in the movie, I just thought Jack wrapped Ennis' arm around his waist and that's it and then Ennis wakes up. Must watch more closely now!!

[chameau]

Wonderful. Well tonight, I'll pick up the book, tonight I'll watch the DVD again, and how could I read the screenplay on this? I love reading, so I think I'll be just fine not skipping through it, honestly, especially when it's BBM.
Yeah, in the movie, I just thought Jack wrapped Ennis' arm around his waist and that's it and then Ennis wakes up. Must watch more closely now!!

Can I suggest you get Close Range?  There are many more short stories from Annie Proulx and Brokeback Mountain is in it.

[forbiddenlovers]

Thank you!! I'll look for that and pick that up! That might be my best bet to do it that way. I'd love to read more from Annie Proulx!!

[Valandil Eluch]

ok i did serious thoughts on this and i got this conlusion:

Whiskey+19 year old boys+ cold+so close together  o just forget i won't be able to justify anything he was totally consious of what he was doing and at the same if something happen he can blame he was sleeping and did in uncounsious becuase it was Ennis the one that was halfawak and trying to realize what was happening and he did a really quick move to get undressed and he was really wanting to get Ennis. so he didn't planned but it worked so well for him

[LuvJackNasty]

Oh, I think I just need to get the book. I kinda wanna read it, but do you think after seeing the movie, I'll still be interested in it? Like, I'm afraid I'll start skipping through it because I've seen the movie. But, then again, I see so many things that were in the book that aren't in the movie, so I'm thinking it's well worth picking up and reading. I think it might answer some questions I have still Thanks!!

Is the book in paperback now, I'm sure?

I saw the movie first and then read the short story and screenplay. I think reading the SS will enhance the movie because there are things written in there that could not be conveyed in the film-When I watch it now I think about certain passages from the SS- for example, the flashback scene was emotional enough in the film for me. After reading the ss and realizing what it truly meant to Jack make that scene even more meaningful to me. I was reading the story at least once a week for my "fix" between going to the theater. I just read it again on Sunday.

[LuvJackNasty]

Ok, and here's my big question for the day.

The FNIT scene. What do you think Jack was thinking when he reached over and grabbed Ennis' arm to wrap around him. Was he doing these, merely to keep them both warm, do you think Jack was finally just making that first move, or do you think Jack was half asleep and wasn't thinking?  I'm going for the Jack was trying to keep them warm and was half asleep and not thinking but subconsciously, he wanted to make the move and just go for it. So I answer all of the above, lol.

What about you?

Ann

Jack was making his move. 

[keren_b]

Well...

when I watched the film, I thought he was half asleep and drunk and wasn't totally aware of what he's doing. and all these things just allowed him to do what he wanted to do for quite some time - that he was acting out of instincts, without thinking.

But then when I read the short story I got the impression that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he took Ennis's hand and led it down there...

So I guess for me this is a case where I get two different interpretations and I'll just leave it at that.

[aimi15]

Screenplay makes me think Jack knew EXACTLY what he was doing.

[forbiddenlovers]

I went home and watched the scene and focused on Jack instead of Ennis, as I had been doing all the other times. I always watched Ennis during that scene, but now that I changed my view, I see what Jack was doing. I truly believe he was drunk and half asleep, but I think that lower his inhibitions and he went for it and at that point, knew exactly what he was doing! I gotta get the book also. Will look for it tomorrow, it's payday!! lol

[tpe]

If not for the succeeding scene that shows Jack unbuckling his belt, I would have thought that in this scene, Jack indeed had 'it' out and was playing with himself using Ennis's hand.

The quiet moans you hear coming from Jack in this scene tell you all what you need to know...

[forbiddenlovers]

You're right on tpe.  I can't believe I watched that scene so many times and I didn't watch Jack to see what was going on. I was so into Ennis' reaction that I studied him carefully that whole scene from the beginning that he realized what was going on until the end of it.  It totally brought so much more to that scene now that I see what Jack is doing also. Changed my way of thinking.

Ann

[tpe]

Hi Ann.  Truth to tell, I only noticed Jack's actions during my 3rd or 4th viewing.  I too was initially intent on viewing that boundary between when Ennis is semi-consciuous and when he comes to realize what is happening.  Plus, you don't really get to see Jack's face that closely, as it is hidden in shadows on the lower right hand corner of the screen.

[forbiddenlovers]

You're right, he's hard to see in that scene at the beginning of it.  I like that I'm not the only one that wasn't so much watching the scene as a whole, but watching the progression of what is taking place and focusing on one element rather than the whole scene. Such a powerful scene, it's got so much going on in it between both characters, yet not much is easy to see until you look, truly look and watch the scene.

Ann

[Koka]

oh god, I LOVE the first tent scene. I dunno why most people, when beeing asked what their fav scene is, never seem to mention that scene. personally, I think that the scene was quite beautiful actually. raw, yes but still so passionat and impulsive. and well, sex in general is a beautiful act so. I really enjoyed it :D I just....felt the tension, the chemistry, the fact that it was 'right'.

[Italian_Dude]

oh god, I LOVE the first tent scene. I dunno why most people, when beeing asked what their fav scene is, never seem to mention that scene. personally, I think that the scene was quite beautiful actually. raw, yes but still so passionat and impulsive. and well, sex in general is a beautiful act so. I really enjoyed it :D I just....felt the tension, the chemistry, the fact that it was 'right'.

I agree!

[shieldmaid]

In the screenplay, Jack is described as "wide awake"; Ennis is half-asleep.  So I'd say there was definitely premeditation there!  What I'm wondering, though, is if Ennis had any inkling that something might happen when he came into the tent.  After all, they had been getting closer and closer (and someone also pointed out on another thread today that Ennis reached out and touched Jack's shoulder when they were gathering wood in a scene just before this), and he seems to have had very friendly feelings toward him . . . perhaps alcohol gave Jack the courage to act on feelings that he already had and that he sensed in Ennis.  After all, the SNIT (is that the right term?) followed soon after.

[keren_b]

In the screenplay, Jack is described as "wide awake"; Ennis is half-asleep.  So I'd say there was definitely premeditation there!  What I'm wondering, though, is if Ennis had any inkling that something might happen when he came into the tent.  After all, they had been getting closer and closer (and someone also pointed out on another thread today that Ennis reached out and touched Jack's shoulder when they were gathering wood in a scene just before this), and he seems to have had very friendly feelings toward him . . . perhaps alcohol gave Jack the courage to act on feelings that he already had and that he sensed in Ennis.  After all, the SNIT (is that the right term?) followed soon after.

Personally, I don't think that was on his mind then... I thought that when he went inside the tent in the first night he was too drunk and tired and frozen to be thinking of anything... but once it happened, he realized how much he had wanted that himself, and what strong feelings Jack's touch had provoked in him. But he couldn't deal with these feelings at first and he was too confused and anxious, because he was brought up in such a homophobic atmosphere... I think that when he told Jack that it was a one-shot-thing and that he wasn't queer, he was more trying to convince himself of that. And then at the 2nd night, when he was sitting near the fire and Jack was inside the tent, all he knew was that he wanted to be in there with Jack and feel his touch again, and he gave in to his emotions... that's the way I see it.

[nussy]

i think it happen because the good feeling  at the bottom of Jack and Ennis heart and both of them are drink a lot so everything is happen  fast   (sorry for my bad ENG)

[Koka]

Personally, I don't think that was on his mind then... I thought that when he went inside the tent in the first night he was too drunk and tired and frozen to be thinking of anything... but once it happened, he realized how much he had wanted that himself, and what strong feelings Jack's touch had provoked in him. But he couldn't deal with these feelings at first and he was too confused and anxious, because he was brought up in such a homophobic atmosphere... I think that when he told Jack that it was a one-shot-thing and that he wasn't queer, he was more trying to convince himself of that. And then at the 2nd night, when he was sitting near the fire and Jack was inside the tent, all he knew was that he wanted to be in there with Jack and feel his touch again, and he gave in to his emotions... that's the way I see it.

I second that!

[ellyjay]

In my Dvd, when you run subtitles, Ennis slurs 'What are we doing' as he and Jack are face to face after he jerked upright.  Jack just stares at him - fixing him with his stare, and says nothing but rips his jacket off.  And it goes from there ..... Wow!

and I dont think Jack was drunk at all, but he knew Ennis was.  Look at the scene by the fire before they went to sleep - Jack is perfectly steady on his feet when getting Ennis a blanket, and his speech is clear.  He knew what he wanted, and I say good luck to him  !   

[Valandil Eluch]