Author Topic: Jack's love for Ennis (Read 331906 times)

stacp · « **Reply #30 on:** May 15, 2006, 08:55 PM »

Quote from: MississaugaRed on May 15, 2006, 03:56 PM

IMO, there are few scenes where you don't see Jack's love for Ennis, and I say that about his trip to Mexico, too. A great love lays itself open to great hurt and can send you on paths that might never otherwise be travelled. So I guess I see a lot of Jack's love for Ennis not just in the sweet things he says or does, but also in those moments when he might appear tainted to some.

This is so true. That Mexico scene breaks my heart. Jack is just devastated. His dreams have basically been destroyed. You can tell he is hurting so much; he will do anything to dull the pain just for a little bit. You just know he is thinking about Ennis. Only someone you love deeply could hurt you that profoundly. Even that scene by the river when Ennis rebuffs Jack's idea of Ennis moving to Texas, you can tell Jack is so hurt and disappointed again. He loves Ennis with all his heart.

TPE: I'm sure Jack' s last thought this side of the grave was of Ennis. He never stopped loving him IMO.

LuvJackNasty · « **Reply #31 on:** May 15, 2006, 09:06 PM »

Quote from: tpe on May 15, 2006, 06:45 AM

When he sees Ennis breaks down in their last meeting. He can barely pronounce the beloved's name: 'Ennis...Ennis'. The look in his face when he says this. It is beyond compassion. It is beyond death itself. Ennis pushes him away and yet he fights back to hug him. What dagger is this that Ang Lee thrusts into our hearts when he juxtaposes this embrace with the dozy embrace? Jack expressing his love in the former; Ennis expressing his love in the latter. Both are sexless. Both are beyond words.

The dozy embrace is perhaps the apex of Ennis's expression of love towards Jack. The final bitter embrace is testament to Jack's endurance: it is love that struggles against the backdrop of a sickness verily unto death.

:'(

Great posts everyone!

Cowboy Cody · « **Reply #32 on:** May 15, 2006, 10:11 PM »

Y'all are getting the Cowboy choked up. :'( :'( :'(

greenfrog · « **Reply #33 on:** May 15, 2006, 10:51 PM »

I love this scene soooo much. It's beautiful the way they hold each other close ..... :'( :'(

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #34 on:** May 16, 2006, 06:00 AM »

Absolutely one of MY favorites!!

tpe · « **Reply #35 on:** May 16, 2006, 06:43 AM »

Quote from: stacp on May 15, 2006, 08:55 PM

TPE: I'm sure Jack' s last thought this side of the grave was of Ennis. He never stopped loving him IMO.

Thank you, stacp. We share this belief. We who believe cherish it.

Thanks everyone for all this feeling. As Cowboy Cody has said, it gets me all choked up.

NoReins · « **Reply #36 on:** May 16, 2006, 06:58 AM »

Quote from: stacp on May 15, 2006, 08:55 PM

I'm sure Jack' s last thought this side of the grave was of Ennis. He never stopped loving him IMO.

I don't think there's much doubt about that. Throughout the story there are so many times that we see Jack with a faraway look in his eyes, clearly thinking about Ennis. Even at the end of the confrontation he's still thinking about him and all that had passed between them. It's often said that when people are facing death, their lives flash before their eyes - in Jack's case, Ennis wasn't just the love of his life, he was his life and I'm sure it was Ennis's face he saw at the end.

:'(

frances · « **Reply #37 on:** May 16, 2006, 07:34 AM »

I love the scene when Ennis is on the side of the hill and Jack picks up his lassoo.
There is so much care, concern, love, desire in his face

tpe · « **Reply #38 on:** May 16, 2006, 07:57 AM »

Quote from: frances on May 16, 2006, 07:34 AM

I love the scene when Ennis is on the side of the hill and Jack picks up his lassoo.
There is so much care, concern, love, desire in his face

The lasso. It is like Jack saying: 'You are mine forever.'

christie wood · « **Reply #39 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:03 AM »

I mentioned this in an earlier post, but had to post this pic of Jack, it shows how devastated he is by Ennis' rejection. But you can also see so much love in his eyes too....even after being hurt and devastated, he still loves Ennis' enough to say "see you next month then". That is a love that you just cant explain.

shieldmaid · « **Reply #40 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:13 AM »

christie,

That is so true--Jack often thinks of or at least acknowledges Ennis's feelings before his own, even when he is feeling a lot of pain. The rapid transition here from joy to sobbing is so hard to watch, yet a great testament to the strength of his love. :'(

shieldmaid

p.s. Congrats on getting Jacked!!

tpe · « **Reply #41 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:15 AM »

Quote from: shieldmaid on May 16, 2006, 08:13 AM

christie,

That is so true--Jack often thinks of or at least acknowledges Ennis's feelings before his own, even when he is feeling a lot of pain. The rapid transition here from joy to sobbing is so hard to watch, yet a great testament to the strength of his love. :'(

shieldmaid

p.s. Congrats on getting Jacked!!

Indeed Christie. Congratulations! The path to Ennis is through Jack.

christie wood · « **Reply #42 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:28 AM »

Quote from: tpe on May 16, 2006, 08:15 AM

Quote from: shieldmaid on May 16, 2006, 08:13 AM
christie,

That is so true--Jack often thinks of or at least acknowledges Ennis's feelings before his own, even when he is feeling a lot of pain. The rapid transition here from joy to sobbing is so hard to watch, yet a great testament to the strength of his love. :'(

shieldmaid

p.s. Congrats on getting Jacked!!

Indeed Christie. Congratulations! The path to Ennis is through Jack.

Thanks shieldmaid, thanks tpe, for your congratulations. I'm just waiting to get Ennis'ed (is that the right term? don't look right).

You are right shieldmaid about Jack always putting Ennis' feelings before his own - and I think this is a perfect example. He's dying inside, and yet still wants to let Ennis know that he will see him again. :'(

shieldmaid · « **Reply #43 on:** May 16, 2006, 10:22 AM »

It seems like every time we see Ennis hurt Jack in some way, Jack still remembers how he loves Ennis. I'm thinking here particularly of the "dozy embrace" scene, when Jack thinks back on this "single moment of artless, charmed happiness in their separate and difficult lives" even as he is angry and disappointed with Ennis's inability to meet him in August.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #44 on:** May 16, 2006, 10:42 AM »

Quote from: shieldmaid on May 16, 2006, 10:22 AM

It seems like every time we see Ennis hurt Jack in some way, Jack still remembers how he loves Ennis. I'm thinking here particularly of the "dozy embrace" scene, when Jack thinks back on this "single moment of artless, charmed happiness in their separate and difficult lives" even as he is angry and disappointed with Ennis's inability to meet him in August.

Your description of this scene makes me wonder....had Jack not died, would he have been able to move on and quit Ennis? I think that memory, among others from that Summer, sustained Jack through the years. Not many of us in this day and age would spend that much time in a relationship filled with constant disappointment from the object of our love.

tpe · « **Reply #45 on:** May 16, 2006, 10:46 AM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on May 16, 2006, 10:42 AM

Quote from: shieldmaid on May 16, 2006, 10:22 AM
It seems like every time we see Ennis hurt Jack in some way, Jack still remembers how he loves Ennis. I'm thinking here particularly of the "dozy embrace" scene, when Jack thinks back on this "single moment of artless, charmed happiness in their separate and difficult lives" even as he is angry and disappointed with Ennis's inability to meet him in August.

Your description of this scene makes me wonder....had Jack not died, would he have been able to move on and quit Ennis? I think that memory, among others from that Summer, sustained Jack through the years. Not many of us in this day and age would spend that much time in a relationship filled with constant disappointment from the object of our love.

City Slickin' Cowboy, this rings true.

I hold the personal belief that Jack could never have been able to quit Ennis. He would have tried. He would have failed.

stacp · « **Reply #46 on:** May 16, 2006, 12:02 PM »

Quote from: shieldmaid on May 16, 2006, 08:13 AM

christie,

That is so true--Jack often thinks of or at least acknowledges Ennis's feelings before his own, even when he is feeling a lot of pain. The rapid transition here from joy to sobbing is so hard to watch, yet a great testament to the strength of his love. :'(

shieldmaid

p.s. Congrats on getting Jacked!!

I'm just Alma Jr'ed. Being "Jacked" sounds so much more appealing! Anyway, that divorce scene is one of the hardest for me to watch. Jack had just driven 14 hours to fulfull his dreams only to be crushed by Ennis. It's heart-breaking. The way Jack just sobs in that car; I have never seen a more realistic portrayl of hurt and longing on screen. I don't think Jack (or Ennis for that matter) could really separate themselves or lives apart from the other. Their whole lives were defined by those meetings and stolen moments. :'(

tpe · « **Reply #47 on:** May 16, 2006, 12:21 PM »

Quote from: stacp on May 16, 2006, 12:02 PM

I'm just Alma Jr'ed. Being "Jacked" sounds so much more appealing!

You'll getting there.

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Anyway, that divorce scene is one of the hardest for me to watch. Jack had just driven 14 hours to fulfull his dreams only to be crushed by Ennis. It's heart-breaking. The way Jack just sobs in that car; I have never seen a more realistic portrayl of hurt and longing on screen. I don't think Jack (or Ennis for that matter) could really separate themselves or lives apart from the other. Their whole lives were defined by those meetings and stolen moments. :'(

It's amazing how everything was based out of so little.

Sunflower79 · « **Reply #48 on:** May 16, 2006, 12:27 PM »

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The way Jack just sobs in that car; I have never seen a more realistic portrayl of hurt and longing on screen. I don't think Jack (or Ennis for that matter) could really separate themselves or lives apart from the other. Their whole lives were defined by those meetings and stolen moments.

The scene really does get me too..Jack was so happy to finally in his mind be able to be with Ennis and live and love together and then his heart is broken by Ennis rejection..it just breaks your heart. :'( :'(. You really feel his pain and sadness and its done beautifully.
I do agree that the shared only moments together that were rare and few between. But those moments were special and held close to there hearts..

Toadily · « **Reply #49 on:** May 16, 2006, 12:55 PM »

That one gets to everyone cause we have all been there, all jazzed about something and then knocked down.
part of us knows we shouldn't get that pumped up but we do and then SPLAT!

tpe · « **Reply #50 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:01 PM »

Quote from: Toadily on May 16, 2006, 12:55 PM

That one gets to everyone cause we have all been there, all jazzed about something and then knocked down.
part of us knows we shouldn't get that pumped up but we do and then SPLAT!

SPLAT! is a good description for this...

NoReins · « **Reply #51 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:18 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on May 15, 2006, 10:51 PM

I love this scene soooo much. It's beautiful the way they hold each other close ..... :'( :'(

Beautiful indeed greenfrog. Have to say, though, this photo makes me sad too - this is just after Jack asks "what are we gonna do now?" and Ennis is realising that this perfect moment, lying in the arms of the only person he's ever truly loved, can't last forever. He looks so happy earlier in the scene (the little smile when he's saying "Me? I dunno") and then his brow wrinkles as Jack's words bring him back to reality - and the reality is that he's stuck in a hole of his own making, married to someone he could never love because he was too scared to own up to his feelings at the end of the summer on Brokeback. He looks like he's about to cry here - and the hopelessness in his voice when he answers Jack gets to me every time :'(

MississaugaRed · « **Reply #52 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:23 PM »

Quote from: NoReins on May 16, 2006, 01:18 PM

Beautiful indeed greenfrog. Have to say, though, this photo makes me sad too - this is just after Jack asks "what are we gonna do now?" and Ennis is realising that this perfect moment, lying in the arms of the only person he's ever truly loved, can't last forever. He looks so happy earlier in the scene (the little smile when he's saying "Me? I dunno") and then his brow wrinkles as Jack's words bring him back to reality - and the reality is that he's stuck in a hole of his own making, married to someone he could never love because he was too scared to own up to his feelings at the end of the summer on Brokeback. He looks like he's about to cry here - and the hopelessness in his voice when he answers Jack gets to me every time :'(

God, NoReins, you say this "the hopelessness in his voice " and the hopelessness is right there in his eyes in that shot, too. Damn. :'( Do you WANT to make us cry???

NoReins · « **Reply #53 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:29 PM »

Hey, I'm just commenting - it's Heath's performance that makes me cry here. It's awesome how he manages to convey the despair both in his voice and his eyes (maybe even his whole face). The Oscars people should be hung, drawn and quartered - I don't care how good PSH was in Capote, the Oscar should have been Heath's.

Sorry....rant over.

aimi15 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:34 PM »

Quote from: MississaugaRed on May 16, 2006, 01:23 PM

Quote from: NoReins on May 16, 2006, 01:18 PM

Beautiful indeed greenfrog. Have to say, though, this photo makes me sad too - this is just after Jack asks "what are we gonna do now?" and Ennis is realising that this perfect moment, lying in the arms of the only person he's ever truly loved, can't last forever. He looks so happy earlier in the scene (the little smile when he's saying "Me? I dunno") and then his brow wrinkles as Jack's words bring him back to reality - and the reality is that he's stuck in a hole of his own making, married to someone he could never love because he was too scared to own up to his feelings at the end of the summer on Brokeback. He looks like he's about to cry here - and the hopelessness in his voice when he answers Jack gets to me every time :'(
God, NoReins, you say this "the hopelessness in his voice " and the hopelessness is right there in his eyes in that shot, too. Damn. :'( Do you WANT to make us cry???

Too late :'( :'(. This is probably my favourite shot in which Heath shows he can match Jake in terms of showing the expression in his eyes - so much pain and need and disappointment in one look. If only Jack could have seen the expression as he told him 'i dunno', and realised Ennis was in a world of hurt over the hopelessness of their lives together at that point. I cry because i see it and understand - and Jack never does :'( :'(

MississaugaRed · « **Reply #55 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:38 PM »

Quote from: NoReins on May 16, 2006, 01:29 PM

The Oscars people should be hung, drawn and quartered - I don't care how good PSH was in Capote, the Oscar should have been Heath's.

Sorry....rant over.

Tremendous applause!!!! And a big Hallelujah.

Now that we are in agreement ...

At the end of that heartbreaking moment, the fact that Jack doesn't continue to push, or do anything more than hold his lover close to share the burden of that hopelessness, without adding the burdens of his own dreams and desires, is another great example of Jack's love. Jack is just letting be, letting be, for that moment.

tpe · « **Reply #56 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:38 PM »

What a deadly sequence of posts...

Mars · « **Reply #57 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:39 PM »

Quote from: frances on May 16, 2006, 07:34 AM

I love the scene when Ennis is on the side of the hill and Jack picks up his lassoo.
There is so much care, concern, love, desire in his face

Yes, you guess Frances ...a real desire of possession..

OT.: You have robbed my avatar!!!

christie wood · « **Reply #58 on:** May 16, 2006, 04:45 PM »

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At the end of that heartbreaking moment, the fact that Jack doesn't continue to push, or do anything more than hold his lover close to share the burden of that hopelessness, without adding the burdens of his own dreams and desires, is another great example of Jack's love. Jack is just letting be, letting be, for that moment.

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Oh my god, just reading those words has got me filled up! :'( Beautifully put MississaugaRed, I wouldn't have been able to find the right words to express how I felt about this scene, but you have summed it up perfectly. "to share the burden of that hopelessness"........oh god, you've gone and set me off now! :'( :'( :'(

welshwitch · « **Reply #59 on:** May 16, 2006, 04:49 PM »

Shakespeare said it all:

Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds
Or bends with the remover to remove....

Love's not time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bendinf sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.

And that's Jack's love for Ennis, inescapable, permanent, undeniable, inexpressible.

Author Topic: Jack's love for Ennis (Read 331906 times)

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