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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #270 on: Aug 11, 2006, 12:27 PM »
Quote from: welshwitch on Aug 11, 2006, 11:59 AM
Kida always say that about studying Eng Lit - "Oh, that's not there, you're just reading things into it." But if you can see it, and substantiate what you say, then it's there for you.This movie speaks to us in different ways at different times and says different things too. Part of the reason is the script/ss, but part is just because so little is said, and many of the actions/movements are very small-scale, so they repay detailed examination. It's clear that almost everything in NBBM was carefully considered - it reminds me of one of those incredibly detailed miniature paintings in a Book of Hours.

Thank you, welshwitch!!!   :cr)

You've summed up perfectly!  There are none so blind as those who will not see.  ;)
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #271 on: Aug 11, 2006, 12:27 PM »
You know, welshwitch, sometimes reading you guys is like listening to music for me.
And that's true of all the threads .

And MissRed, I love this! After all, there wouldn't be a forum in the first place if we didn't have a need to keep on reading more...

Quote from: MississaugaRed on Aug 11, 2006, 10:09 AM

Again I must respond with ... "HUH?? That ain't the point!  The point is, we're here to read too much into this ...  " ;D

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #272 on: Aug 11, 2006, 03:38 PM »
Quote from: MississaugaRed on Aug 11, 2006, 08:17 AM
Quote from: ksxks on Aug 11, 2006, 12:46 AM
Whoops -- I just posted and kind of forgot this was "Double Meanings" thread.  Thanks for bringing it back on topic.  And your two double-meaning phrases are exactly right.

kathy


Don't sweat it, kathy!  These discussions get pretty fluid, you go where the thoughts take you; the occasional detour keeps it interesting and rich!   And there is always a way to make the discussion tie in to the thread    ;)   ... it's all of a piece, anyway.  You thoughts on the subject help flesh out the whole meaning below that "see you around" scene, so thank you! 


You bring up the start of their leaving taking, when they're tearing down the camp, getting ready to bring the sheep down.  Ennis's "that SOB is doing us out of a months pay" would seem to be just an excuse to cover his upset, really meaning "we're supposed to still have a month together up here, I'm not ready to go". 

If it matters, I agree with what you said earlier about Jack then, that maybe the reason he seemed less upset than Ennis was that he was counting on being able to continue seeing Ennis once they were off the mountain; Ennis wasn't able to visualize a him-and-Jack scenario panywhere but in the rivacy of Brokeback. 

And Jack had already had time to process the fact that they were leaving early, could formulate plans in his head of how he could be with Ennis again.  Ennis we see getting the message thrown at him cold, he hasn't had time to prepare in private.     :-\\   Just supeculating.  Sometimes their expression and actions have double meanings, too.  :)

This is the first time I thought of it this way. You're right, I think.  Jack did think they would keep in touch.  He felt this relationship was meaningful to both of them and they would remain friends, whereas Ennis, could only see his immediate planned future marrying Alma, etc.  This is a new wrinkle to me and helps explain why Jack was not more upset at having to leave BBM early.  Thanks for the insight!  lamusica
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #273 on: Aug 11, 2006, 07:29 PM »
Quote from: welshwitch on Aug 11, 2006, 11:59 AM
Kida always say that about studying Eng Lit - "Oh, that's not there, you're just reading things into it." But if you can see it, and substantiate what you say, then it's there for you.This movie speaks to us in different ways at different times and says different things too. Part of the reason is the script/ss, but part is just because so little is said, and many of the actions/movements are very small-scale, so they repay detailed examination. It's clear that almost everything in NBBM was carefully considered - it reminds me of one of those incredibly detailed miniature paintings in a Book of Hours.

I remember having that argument, but in reverse, with a Lit teacher, who wouldn't accept anyone having their own view, we were supposed to stick with the "official" interpretation all the time, I was like "how can you say what someone thinks, or feels, is wrong?" :X Sorry that's ot, but it still makes me mad, even though it was about twenty years ago ::) :X

Anyway, back ot, the "spare you a loan..." conversation, did Jack realise before he said it that it wasn't the money Ennis was upset about? Of course, it was a way of keeping contact with him,so if Ennis accepted, mission accomplished, but also if Jack realised why Ennis was really so upset,he might have seen it as an opening to discuss it, and work out what they were going to do.Rather than saying "I know it's not the money you're bothered about", cause Ennis would never have admitted that, he comes up with an immediate solution to the money problem, so Ennis doesn't have that to hide his feelings behind. Of course, Ennis being Ennis, that doesn't work either, and he goes off to be alone. It reminds me of the aftermath of FNIT, Ennis all moody in the morning and Jack being all caring and trying to do something nice "see you for supper", getting it thrown back in his face, but then still making the effort to go and make things right(the "one shot" conversation/the rope scene)  :\'(   
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #274 on: Aug 11, 2006, 08:21 PM »
Good interpretation CrimsonSky. I like it!
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #275 on: Aug 12, 2006, 04:05 PM »
Quote from: CrimsonSky on Aug 11, 2006, 07:29 PM
Quote from: welshwitch on Aug 11, 2006, 11:59 AM
Kida always say that about studying Eng Lit - "Oh, that's not there, you're just reading things into it." But if you can see it, and substantiate what you say, then it's there for you.This movie speaks to us in different ways at different times and says different things too. Part of the reason is the script/ss, but part is just because so little is said, and many of the actions/movements are very small-scale, so they repay detailed examination. It's clear that almost everything in NBBM was carefully considered - it reminds me of one of those incredibly detailed miniature paintings in a Book of Hours.

I remember having that argument, but in reverse, with a Lit teacher, who wouldn't accept anyone having their own view, we were supposed to stick with the "official" interpretation all the time, I was like "how can you say what someone thinks, or feels, is wrong?" :X Sorry that's ot, but it still makes me mad, even though it was about twenty years ago ::) :X

Not so OOT.  I do think every author knows to a certain extent that after releasing a work out to the world, the work itself gets a life on its own.  If they are against this, then circumstances normally conquer their scruples.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #276 on: Aug 30, 2006, 01:59 PM »
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Quote from: MississaugaRed on Jun 05, 2006, 01:33 PM
And later on, that painful phone call to Lureen; Lureen finally learns the significance of Brokeback Mountain and it's connection to Jack's fishing buddy all these years.  She absorbs that for a second, and then tells Ennis "Well, he said it was his favorite place."  She didn't have to volunteer that.  To me, this is a gift that Lureen is giving Ennis, really saying  "YOU were his favorite place; what you shared with Jack meant more to him than anything else in his life and he as much as told me so.  It's right that you should know this, what you were to him".

Well said, MissRed. You're right that Lureen didn't have to tell Ennis that Brokeback was Jack's favourite place, especially given what she's just realised the significance of the place, as well as how long Jack's heart had belonged to someone else. That she does offer the information shows that she clearly cared a lot for Jack, despite the coldness of her tone, and she knows that he would have wanted Ennis to know how important he was to Jack.


MissRed and NoReins - I really like your interpretaion of Lureen's words.

In terms of double meanings, I think Lureen's next two llines also have double meanings.  She said them a bit sarcastically: " He said it was his favorite place.  I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot."

I thought he meant to get drunk, Translation:  I didn't know he meant it was his favorite place because of you (Ennis).

He drank a lot, Translation:  He was unhappy when he wasn't with you.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #277 on: Aug 30, 2006, 02:15 PM »
It definitely lets us, as well as Ennis, know the toll it was taking on Jack.  I like your thoughts jesseanne!
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #278 on: Aug 30, 2006, 02:25 PM »
Yes, thank you, Jesseanne!  ^f^

Jack had done a good job of hiding the depths of his unhappiness from Ennis up until that last confrontation.  Lureen's words likely added some more weight to the guilt he was already carrying.  :(

After the divorce misunderstanding, Jack merely says "yeah, alright.  Then I'll see you in a month then", which Ennis could let himself interpret as conceding to the status quo.  But we saw the resolve and hurt as he drove away, so the words were more like "You go on believing that this doesn't make a difference to what we could have together, but it makes a difference to me, damn you.  So maybe I'll change the rules from my side of the fence!".
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #279 on: Aug 30, 2006, 02:32 PM »
MissRed -  :\'( :\'(
Our poor Jack kept a lot inside so Ennis wouldn't have to see it (d*mn you Ennis).
Like when Ennis said "Sounds like high class entertainment.." and Jack said "For what it's worth." Which to me means: "I'd chuck it all in a heartbeat if you'd just give me the say-so. What good is all of that if I can't be with you?" Just IMO.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #280 on: Aug 30, 2006, 02:37 PM »
Quote from: MississaugaRed on Aug 30, 2006, 02:25 PM
Jack had done a good job of hiding the depths of his unhappiness from Ennis up until that last confrontation.  Lureen's words likely added some more weight to the guilt he was already carrying.  :(

MissRed - you are so right

In thinking about Ennis' and Jack's last camping trip, I think I see another double meaning as Jack tries to hide his unhappiness from Ennis.

When Ennis asks Jack about his marriage, "What about you and Lureen?" 

Jack gives Ennis a sideways glance and responds, " Lureen is good at making hard deals in the farm machinery business, but as far as our marriage goes, we could do it over the phone." and later Jack tells Ennis the REAL truth, "Tell you what, the truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

My observation was that Jack was the one who pushed Lureen away (not making eye contact with her when he spoke to her, facing away from her when they were at the dance with LaShawn and Randall) and he was trying to make it seem like she was the reason the marriage wasn't working out.  But, my translation of that line (Lureen is good at making hard deals) would stil be:  I don't want Lureen, I want you, Ennis.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #281 on: Aug 30, 2006, 03:10 PM »
Quote from: FlwrChild on Aug 30, 2006, 02:32 PM
Our poor Jack kept a lot inside so Ennis wouldn't have to see it (d*mn you Ennis).
Like when Ennis said "Sounds like high class entertainment.." and Jack said "For what it's worth." Which to me means: "I'd chuck it all in a heartbeat if you'd just give me the say-so. What good is all of that if I can't be with you?" Just IMO.
I'd second your opinion on that one, FlwrChld.   :(  Jack's expresses unhappiness, but mis-directs as to the source.  :(

Quote from: jesseanne21 on Aug 30, 2006, 02:37 PM
My observation was that Jack was the one who pushed Lureen away (not making eye contact with her when he spoke to her, facing away from her when they were at the dance with LaShawn and Randall) and he was trying to make it seem like she was the reason the marriage wasn't working out.  But, my translation of that line (Lureen is good at making hard deals) would stil be:  I don't want Lureen, I want you, Ennis.
Good observations, Jesseanne.   :(  Jack must have found it harder and harder to respond to any of Lureen's overtures as the years passed.  "I don't know, never gave it any thought" = "I don't know, never give you much thought".  It's no wonder she turned hard and bitter towards the end.  Even if he didn't come out and say the words, you have to think Lureen suspected that Jack wasn't happy being with her.  What a sad way to try to survive in a marriage.  And sadder still that all that was a result of Jack trying to survive being apart from Ennis.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #282 on: Aug 30, 2006, 04:20 PM »
Quote from: jesseanne21 on Aug 30, 2006, 01:59 PM

MissRed and NoReins - I really like your interpretaion of Lureen's words.

In terms of double meanings, I think Lureen's next two llines also have double meanings.  She said them a bit sarcastically: " He said it was his favorite place.  I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot."

I thought he meant to get drunk, Translation:  I didn't know he meant it was his favorite place because of you (Ennis).

He drank a lot, Translation:  He was unhappy when he wasn't with you.


I do not think this is a good translation because she did not know how much he drank when he was with Ennis.


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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #283 on: Aug 30, 2006, 05:53 PM »
It seems to me that Jack drank a lot because he wasn't happy, and Lureen, though she evidently knew h drank, had no means of knowing why. I think the " he drank a lot" was simply an observation of the truth as she had observed it.

there's also the fact that they drank quite a lot while up on the mountain - to relax, because they were cold, whatever - and Jack is seen in bars both with Jimbo and withLureen - again, understandable as part of the social life associated with the rodeo but nevertheless Jack is seen in association with alcohol more than Ennis is.When he comes into camp and enis isn't there ( after the bear incident) his first reaction is to sit down and have a drink.It's just an escape mechanism for him and one he evidently needs more as time goes on because he's unhappy when he's away from Ennis - but there's no way Lureen could know this.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #284 on: Aug 30, 2006, 09:22 PM »
Quote from: jesseanne21 on Aug 30, 2006, 01:59 PM
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In terms of double meanings, I think Lureen's next two llines also have double meanings.  She said them a bit sarcastically: " He said it was his favorite place.  I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot."

I thought he meant to get drunk, Translation:  I didn't know he meant it was his favorite place because of you (Ennis).

He drank a lot, Translation:  He was unhappy when he wasn't with you.

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Quote from: MississaugaRed on Aug 30, 2006, 02:25 PM
Yes, thank you, Jesseanne!  ^f^

Jack had done a good job of hiding the depths of his unhappiness from Ennis up until that last confrontation.  Lureen's words likely added some more weight to the guilt he was already carrying.  :(

After the divorce misunderstanding, Jack merely says "yeah, alright.  Then I'll see you in a month then", which Ennis could let himself interpret as conceding to the status quo.  But we saw the resolve and hurt as he drove away, so the words were more like "You go on believing that this doesn't make a difference to what we could have together, but it makes a difference to me, damn you.  So maybe I'll change the rules from my side of the fence!".

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Quote from: FlwrChild on Aug 30, 2006, 02:32 PM
MissRed -  :\'( :\'(
Our poor Jack kept a lot inside so Ennis wouldn't have to see it (d*mn you Ennis).
Like when Ennis said "Sounds like high class entertainment.." and Jack said "For what it's worth." Which to me means: "I'd chuck it all in a heartbeat if you'd just give me the say-so. What good is all of that if I can't be with you?" Just IMO.

 :\'( I love the interpretations!
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #285 on: Aug 31, 2006, 08:23 AM »
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:\'( I love the interpretations!

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #286 on: Aug 31, 2006, 02:29 PM »
Quote from: jesseanne21 on Aug 30, 2006, 01:59 PM
Quote from: NoReins on Jun 05, 2006, 03:34 PM
Quote from: MississaugaRed on Jun 05, 2006, 01:33 PM
And later on, that painful phone call to Lureen; Lureen finally learns the significance of Brokeback Mountain and it's connection to Jack's fishing buddy all these years.  She absorbs that for a second, and then tells Ennis "Well, he said it was his favorite place."  She didn't have to volunteer that.  To me, this is a gift that Lureen is giving Ennis, really saying  "YOU were his favorite place; what you shared with Jack meant more to him than anything else in his life and he as much as told me so.  It's right that you should know this, what you were to him".

Well said, MissRed. You're right that Lureen didn't have to tell Ennis that Brokeback was Jack's favourite place, especially given what she's just realised the significance of the place, as well as how long Jack's heart had belonged to someone else. That she does offer the information shows that she clearly cared a lot for Jack, despite the coldness of her tone, and she knows that he would have wanted Ennis to know how important he was to Jack.


MissRed and NoReins - I really like your interpretaion of Lureen's words.

In terms of double meanings, I think Lureen's next two llines also have double meanings.  She said them a bit sarcastically: " He said it was his favorite place.  I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot."

I thought he meant to get drunk, Translation:  I didn't know he meant it was his favorite place because of you (Ennis).

He drank a lot, Translation:  He was unhappy when he wasn't with you.

When Ennis told Lureen Brokeback Mountain was a place where Jack and Ennis herd some sheep back in the days, Lureen comes with the "well, he said it was his favorite place. I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot." line.

If you put it in that perspective, imo she is saying: well, he loved going up there with you (he said it was his favourite place), I thought it was just a sexual graving for him (i thought to get drunk, he drank alot (meaning he had many sexual escapades), but I guess he really loved you. (because of his ashes he wanted to be scatered there)

I love the way how that comes back in the last line from lureen, 'meet his parrents, and see to it if his wishes are caried out. About the ashes i mean'

(forgive my if the lines are not exact quoted...)
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #287 on: May 29, 2007, 08:06 PM »
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not (if so forgive me) and I always seem to have trouble articulating the thought in my mind. Lately when I've been watching the confrontation scene Jack saying "What in the hell happened to August?" keeps sticking out at me. I think it's safe to assume that August was when their love up on BBM was in full force before it was sadly stripped away from them all too soon. Now 20 years later when they are worn down from "their separate and diffcult lives" that comment seems almost wistful- like "how did we go from that to this?" instead of him asking why they couldn't meet in August. I hope that made sense  :)
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #288 on: May 29, 2007, 08:41 PM »
Makes sense to me. And I hadn't really thought about it but you're right. Aguirre made them come down early when they should have had August on the mountain. Now Ennis tells him they can't meet in August. When Jack says "What in the Hell happened to August?", it's like he's saying "What in the Hell happened to our chance? What in the Hell happened to our chance to be together?"
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #289 on: May 29, 2007, 08:59 PM »
Yes! That's what i was trying to say  ;D
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #290 on: May 29, 2007, 10:24 PM »
That's a beautiful example of double meaning.  Okay then, what was Ennis's reply?  Something like, "work is what happened."  Work meaning "real life."  Real life is what happened to their symbolic "August" and to this particular next trip they're trying to plan.

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #291 on: May 30, 2007, 01:50 AM »
Quote from: jesseanne21 on Aug 30, 2006, 01:59 PM
Well said, MissRed. You're right that Lureen didn't have to tell Ennis that Brokeback was Jack's favourite place, especially given what she's just realised the significance of the place, as well as how long Jack's heart had belonged to someone else. That she does offer the information shows that she clearly cared a lot for Jack, despite the coldness of her tone, and she knows that he would have wanted Ennis to know how important he was to Jack.



MissRed and NoReins - I really like your interpretation of Lureen's words.

In terms of double meanings, I think Lureen's next two lines also have double meanings.  She said them a bit sarcastically: " He said it was his favorite place.  I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot."

I thought he meant to get drunk, Translation:  I didn't know he meant it was his favorite place because of you (Ennis).

He drank a lot, Translation:  He was unhappy when he wasn't with you.

  I knew she was being a decent person but I really didn't like her (great acting Miss Hathaway) so much that I wouldn't let her be good.  And you've convinced me of the error of my ways.  I had caught on to the "I thought he meant to get drunk" being related to something like "But now I know it was you that made it so attractive to him," but not much else.  Thanks.  Great work.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #292 on: May 30, 2007, 06:52 AM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on May 29, 2007, 08:06 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not (if so forgive me) and I always seem to have trouble articulating the thought in my mind. Lately when I've been watching the confrontation scene Jack saying "What in the hell happened to August?" keeps sticking out at me. I think it's safe to assume that August was when their love up on BBM was in full force before it was sadly stripped away from them all too soon. Now 20 years later when they are worn down from "their separate and diffcult lives" that comment seems almost wistful- like "how did we go from that to this?" instead of him asking why they couldn't meet in August. I hope that made sense  :)

Like FlwrChild, this made sense.  I too had a sense that it was a subtle indictment of how things have become more and more unsatisfactory over the years...

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #293 on: May 30, 2007, 06:55 AM »
Quote from: ksxks on May 29, 2007, 10:24 PM
That's a beautiful example of double meaning.  Okay then, what was Ennis's reply?  Something like, "work is what happened."  Work meaning "real life."  Real life is what happened to their symbolic "August" and to this particular next trip they're trying to plan.

kathy

And could it have meant: "our time/opportunity has passed"?

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #294 on: May 30, 2007, 09:35 AM »
It could indeed tpe.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #295 on: May 30, 2007, 10:34 AM »
Quote from: FlwrChild on May 30, 2007, 09:35 AM
It could indeed tpe.

Too sad to contemplate! :(

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #296 on: May 30, 2007, 11:09 AM »
Quote from: tpe on May 30, 2007, 06:55 AM
And could it have meant: "our time/opportunity has passed"?



God that is so sad.  :\'( Great double meanings Kathy and Thomas.
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #297 on: May 30, 2007, 11:37 AM »
Quote from: LuvJackNasty on May 30, 2007, 11:09 AM
God that is so sad.  :\'( Great double meanings Kathy and Thomas.

Sorry LJN.  It's PBS all over again...

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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #298 on: May 30, 2007, 01:56 PM »
"Whither is fled the visionary gleam?
Where is it now, the glory and the dream?"
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Re: Double Meanings in BBM Lines
« Reply #299 on: May 31, 2007, 08:48 AM »
Quote from: welshwitch on May 30, 2007, 01:56 PM
"Whither is fled the visionary gleam?
Where is it now, the glory and the dream?"


Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?
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