Author Topic: Randall (Read 235434 times)

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #180 on:** Nov 06, 2006, 02:03 PM »

Quote from: greenfrog on Nov 05, 2006, 09:14 PM

I think more than anything, we just want Jack and Ennis to be happy, whether that's with someone else or with each other.

The only way is to go with the love of your life - anything else is second or third best. So no, I want Ennis and Jack to be happy together. (And I'll keep watching the film until they are!)

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #181 on:** Nov 06, 2006, 04:22 PM »

Quote from: Saul on Nov 06, 2006, 02:03 PM

The only way is to go with the love of your life - anything else is second or third best. So no, I want Ennis and Jack to be happy together. (And I'll keep watching the film until they are!)

That's the reason I still watch Gone With the Wind....hope against hope they will be together.

greenfrog · « **Reply #182 on:** Nov 06, 2006, 07:58 PM »

Quote from: Saul on Nov 06, 2006, 02:03 PM

Quote from: greenfrog on Nov 05, 2006, 09:14 PM

I think more than anything, we just want Jack and Ennis to be happy, whether that's with someone else or with each other.

The only way is to go with the love of your life - anything else is second or third best. So no, I want Ennis and Jack to be happy together. (And I'll keep watching the film until they are!)

Yes, of course I would rather them be happy with each other rather than with somebody else.

Condiments · « **Reply #183 on:** Nov 06, 2006, 10:06 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Nov 05, 2006, 06:53 PM

I like Randall. However, the love that Jack and Ennis shared might have always posed a threat to Randall had Jack lived and attempted to move on. I know it's just speculation at this point, but I can't ignore an important fact. By moving back to Lightening Flat, Jack would have been much closer to Ennis. Chances are Jack and Ennis would run into each other from time to time. I believe the temptation to dump Randall at the slightest invitation from Ennis would be very great. As much as I like Randall, I don't see where there could have been a solid future with Jack if Ennis was anywhere in the vicinity.

City Slickin' Cowboy (I love your name and your picture, by the way!

for the very reasons you say here, my heart goes out to Randall. He seems like such a sensitive man and would certainly be rejected if Ennis were to come back into Jack's life.

I would love to know more about his and Jack's relationship. Purely for educational purposes, mind you.

I don't know why Randall has so caught my attention except that I really think he would care a great deal for Jack. And I love the way he looks---big guy with kind eyes.

Shelley

welshwitch · « **Reply #184 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 03:44 AM »

I thonk I feel sorry for him being landed with LaShawn - but thenmaybe he married her for camouflage. I wonder what sort of a future lay ahead for him?

tpe · « **Reply #185 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 08:27 AM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Nov 07, 2006, 03:44 AM

I thonk I feel sorry for him being landed with LaShawn - but thenmaybe he married her for camouflage. I wonder what sort of a future lay ahead for him?

This is true. Randall deserves sympathy at least on this score. It is perhaps bad enough to drive any guy (gay or straight) insane.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #186 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 12:30 PM »

I did'nt mean to say that Randall purposely or knowingly tried to break Jack and Ennis up, literally as I don't even know if he knew about Ennis but he was in the right place at the right time when the "opportunity presented itself for an ongoing affair with Jack.Lookin at it from this context, the chance to be with Jack was there and Randall took it. Wether it contributed to causing a split between J&E is another story. Thanks for lettin me clarify.

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #187 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 02:02 PM »

Quote from: welshwitch on Nov 07, 2006, 03:44 AM

I thonk I feel sorry for him being landed with LaShawn - but thenmaybe he married her for camouflage.

If I was married to LaShawn I would wear camoflage and hide in the undergrowth.

aintfoolin · « **Reply #188 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 04:25 PM »

She'll come looking for you, screaming your name in that high pitched voice of hers until your can't stand it anymore then you'd have to pop up and she'd find you! ...Lively little gal. Ha ha. Poor Randall.

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #189 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 05:37 PM »

...Lively little gal. Ha ha. Poor Randall.

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LaShawn Even her name is awfull. Shawn on the otherhand is quite allright!

It will be interesting to see if there is anything extra about Randall on the De-Lux version.

greenfrog · « **Reply #190 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 10:03 PM »

Quote from: Saul on Nov 07, 2006, 02:02 PM

Quote from: welshwitch on Nov 07, 2006, 03:44 AM
I thonk I feel sorry for him being landed with LaShawn - but thenmaybe he married her for camouflage.

If I was married to LaShawn I would wear camoflage and hide in the undergrowth.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #191 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 10:50 PM »

Quote from: Condiments on Nov 06, 2006, 10:06 PM

I would love to know more about his and Jack's relationship. Purely for educational purposes, mind you. I don't know why Randall has so caught my attention except that I really think he would care a great deal for Jack. And I love the way he looks---big guy with kind eyes.

Shelley

It would have been interesting if the story could have touched on Randall and Jack a little more. It would have at least allowed us to better speculate if he could have stood a real chance with Jack in Wyoming. Btw...I practically drooled over Randall in the theater.

greenfrog · « **Reply #192 on:** Nov 07, 2006, 10:58 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Nov 07, 2006, 10:50 PM

Quote from: Condiments on Nov 06, 2006, 10:06 PM
I would love to know more about his and Jack's relationship. Purely for educational purposes, mind you. I don't know why Randall has so caught my attention except that I really think he would care a great deal for Jack. And I love the way he looks---big guy with kind eyes.

Shelley

It would have been interesting if the story could have touched on Randall and Jack a little more. It would have at least allowed us to better speculate if he could have stood a real chance with Jack in Wyoming. Btw...I practically drooled over Randall in the theater.

I would like to have seen a little more of their relationship too.

And I can just picture you Cowboy, drooling over Randall in the theatre,

welshwitch · « **Reply #193 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 02:22 AM »

Yes, it's hard to discuss his character when what we see of him is so bried and he has so little direct interaction with Jack. But at least he makes the running this time and isn;t in denial like Ennis.

tpe · « **Reply #194 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 08:46 AM »

I wonder if Randall had more scenes -- other than the one shown in the movie and the cut scene showing him and Jack embracing. Perhaps his character loomed larger in some early stage of the filming -- as a sort of anti-Ennis. But this is all pure speculation. I share Saul's hope that more will be revealed in the deleted scenes of the January edition.

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #195 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 12:30 PM »

Quote from: tpe on Nov 08, 2006, 08:46 AM

share Saul's hope that more will be revealed in the deleted scenes of the January edition.

You know the two men at the gas station that are in the theatre trailer but not in the present film? They say that was part of a scene with Jack and Randall.

dirtbiker · « **Reply #196 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 12:35 PM »

Hmmm.... maybe those mechanics saw Jack & Randall together kissing, and that's what spurned the tireiron scene... :\'(

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #197 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 01:11 PM »

Quote from: dirtbiker on Nov 08, 2006, 12:35 PM

Hmmm.... maybe those mechanics saw Jack & Randall together kissing, and that's what spurned the tireiron scene... :\'(

You might have something there DirtBiker. "This thing" might have got them anyway, or Jack at least who prefered action to safety.

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #198 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 02:51 PM »

I didn't realize there was cut scene involving Randall and Jack. Something to look forward to in the new DVD.

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #199 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 03:44 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Nov 08, 2006, 02:51 PM

I didn't realize there was cut scene involving Randall and Jack. Something to look forward to in the new DVD.

Well have to see. They may just restore the cut scenes, or some of them, or give new material. Who knows?

tpe · « **Reply #200 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 07:11 PM »

Quote from: Jack F. Twist (Saul) on Nov 08, 2006, 12:30 PM

You know the two men at the gas station that are in the theatre trailer but not in the present film? They say that was part of a scene with Jack and Randall.

I really hope they include ALL deleted material, even if some may appear to be too disjointed from the rest...

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #201 on:** Nov 08, 2006, 10:13 PM »

I curious to see any deleted scene with Randall. I don't think it will change how I see Ennis and Jack, but it may help me see a bigger picture of Jack's life in those later years.

tpe · « **Reply #202 on:** Nov 09, 2006, 08:27 AM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Nov 08, 2006, 10:13 PM

I curious to see any deleted scene with Randall. I don't think it will change how I see Ennis and Jack, but it may help me see a bigger picture of Jack's life in those later years.

It would also be interesting to see how Ang Lee and the script writers envisioned Randall at an earlier stage -- whether they envisioned him as a rival to Ennis. Perhaps Proulx may have objected... Still, it is interesting to see anything that casts light on the evolution of the film version.

Condiments · « **Reply #203 on:** Nov 10, 2006, 11:41 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Nov 07, 2006, 10:50 PM

Quote from: Condiments on Nov 06, 2006, 10:06 PM
I would love to know more about his and Jack's relationship. Purely for educational purposes, mind you. I don't know why Randall has so caught my attention except that I really think he would care a great deal for Jack. And I love the way he looks---big guy with kind eyes.

Shelley

It would have been interesting if the story could have touched on Randall and Jack a little more. It would have at least allowed us to better speculate if he could have stood a real chance with Jack in Wyoming. Btw...I practically drooled over Randall in the theater.

Cute! I can totally see why you'd be attracted to Randall, CSC. And I would love to see more of him in the dvd. I still think Randall would be a good friend for Jack.

Shelley

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #204 on:** Nov 10, 2006, 11:46 PM »

Randall seemed to be a big loveable teddy bear. I could easily ignore the fact that he wasn't very "mechanical" per LaShawn. I'm sure there were other things he was quite skilled in fixing.

Condiments · « **Reply #205 on:** Nov 10, 2006, 11:49 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Nov 10, 2006, 11:46 PM

Randall seemed to be a big loveable teddy bear. I could easily ignore the fact that he wasn't very "mechanical" per LaShawn. I'm sure there were other things he was quite skilled in fixing.

Hey! Randall can fix Jack anytime!

Shelley

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #206 on:** Nov 10, 2006, 11:52 PM »

As tpe mentioned earlier, it will be interesting to see what Ang Lee may have invisioned with regards to Randall. I'm already getting anxious waiting for the updated DVD package.

Edmund-Paul, The Baron of Ree · « **Reply #207 on:** Nov 11, 2006, 03:14 PM »

Quote from: City Slickin' Cowboy on Nov 10, 2006, 11:52 PM

As tpe mentioned earlier, it will be interesting to see what Ang Lee may have invisioned with regards to Randall. I'm already getting anxious waiting for the updated DVD package.

I am going to wait and see what the de-lux version has. Then I will get it when it is available in Europe rather than having it imported from a USA address.

tpe · « **Reply #208 on:** Nov 11, 2006, 04:24 PM »

I am beginning to think that Randall could have been developed as a much more interesting figure -- too bad he is just too shadowy in the finished version. But he could have been developed as an interesting foil to Ennis. Randall also seems to be quite laconic, or is it the contrast with LaShawn that is making me say this? He is certainly much more forward than Ennis. And perhaps less conflicted... I wonder if that attracted Jack initially to him...

City Slickin' Cowboy · « **Reply #209 on:** Nov 11, 2006, 04:42 PM »

Compared to LaShawn Randall was quite laid back in his demeanor. I imagine having lived in slightly more populated areas Randall had the opportunity to shed a few fears he may have harbored that dealt with approaching men romantically or just sexually. The fact that he wasn't small in stature may have eased some of his fears for his safety in a one on one situation. There was certainly potential to develop his character as a significant threat to Jack and Ennis's relationship.